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http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081214/D952LKP00.html
"The time for delay is over; the time for denial is over," he said on Tuesday after meeting with former Vice President Al Gore, who won a Nobel Peace Prize for his work on global warming. "We all believe what the scientists have been telling us for years now that this is a matter of urgency and national security and it has to be dealt with in a serious way."
LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!! REALLY!??!?!?!???!?!? What a crock of shit.
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=2158072e-802a-23ad-45f0-274616db87e6
650 scientist vs 52.
“I am a skeptic…Global warming has become a new religion.” - Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever.
“Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical.” - Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology and formerly of NASA who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called “among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years.”
Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history…When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” - UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist.
“The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn’t listen to others. It doesn’t have open minds… I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists,” - Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the UN-supported International Year of the Planet.
“The models and forecasts of the UN IPCC "are incorrect because they only are based on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity.” - Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico
“It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don’t buy into anthropogenic global warming.” - U.S Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA.
“Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapour and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will.” – . Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, NZ.
“After reading [UN IPCC chairman] Pachauri's asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it's hard to remain quiet.” - Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society's Probability and Statistics Committee and is an Associate Editor of Monthly Weather Review.
“For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?" - Geologist Dr. David Gee the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who has authored 130 plus peer reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in Sweden.
“Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp…Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact.” - Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch UN IPCC committee.
“Many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined.” - Atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh.
“Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense…The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning.” - Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles.
“CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another….Every scientist knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so…Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.” - Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.
“The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds.” - Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata. # #
thopkins22
12-14-08, 23:07
The facts? The earth(and for that matter almost every planet in the solar system) has warmed roughly 7/10 of a degree over the past 130 years. Everything beyond that is conjecture and fearmongering.
I strongly recommend Michael Crichton's "State of Fear." It involves far too many facts to be a part of the "climate change" debate though.
FromMyColdDeadHand
12-14-08, 23:13
Green is the new Red.
Not much in the news "strikes" me but these 2 articles hit me like a buick. What else do they need besides 650 men with amazing credentials, IN THE FIELD, say, IT'S ALL BULL SHIT!!!! But nope, Gore says it real, and he invented the internet so..... :rolleyes:
I need more ammo!! :D
dOg
FromMyColdDeadHand
12-15-08, 01:51
Gore won the Nobel Peace Prize, not the Noble Prize for physics or chemistry, though I am surprised that they didn't start a Noble Meteorology Prize just for him.
Gore won the Nobel Peace Prize, not the Noble Prize for physics or chemistry, though I am surprised that they didn't start a Noble Meteorology Prize just for him.
Hahahaaa!!! The Gore Space Cadet Prize!!
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Littlelebowski
12-15-08, 06:47
More like a Nobel Slide Show Prize. What a travesty.
More like a Nobel Slide Show Prize. What a travesty.
+1 I no longer have respect for the NPP.
Buckaroo
The thing is, and it was alluded to in that article, is that these scientists that have promoted global warming so much have backed themselves into a corner that they cannot get out from.
They can't just say 'well we ****ed up and the models were not accurate' without ruining their careers. The NPP to Gore sealed it.
I wonder how many are acutely aware of how wrong they are yet go forth because they have no other choice.
FromMyColdDeadHand
12-15-08, 12:10
I know one of the 600 guys who signed Gore's letter or whatever. In his more narcasistic moments he says the he won the Nobel Prize.
While I do believe we should be good caretakers of our home, there is certainly no reason to panic. I say we build a shit load of nuclear power plants, clean & efficient. While they are being built we can figure out what to do with the waste. I think I'll go outside and let my full size SUV Idle for an hour for no reason now.
Killing the Earth one SUV at a time!!!!!
platoonDaddy
02-06-17, 12:11
Had to re-open this 2008 thread. Yet again another article on how the 'left' manipulated global warming data.
The Mail on Sunday today reveals astonishing evidence that the organisation that is the world’s leading source of climate data rushed to publish a landmark paper that exaggerated global warming and was timed to influence the historic Paris Agreement on climate change.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4192182/World-leaders-duped-manipulated-global-warming-data.html
Averageman
02-06-17, 12:26
Had to re-open this 2008 thread. Yet again another article on how the 'left' manipulated global warming data.
The Mail on Sunday today reveals astonishing evidence that the organisation that is the world’s leading source of climate data rushed to publish a landmark paper that exaggerated global warming and was timed to influence the historic Paris Agreement on climate change.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4192182/World-leaders-duped-manipulated-global-warming-data.html
Mentioning that these studies have been biased and have for years been manipulated to generate more funding for more pockets only infuriates the Left.
They hate it when their greed is captured and rubbed back in their faces.
Let's say global warming exists. I plan to be dead in 30 years or so if I play my cards right. Why should I care about people in 2099? They probably will suck anyways.
FromMyColdDeadHand
02-06-17, 13:06
Funny, I was thinking of starting a thread on 'global' dangers in order of ability to whack us a likelyhood in the next 100 years:
1. Impact (Really just trade-off between size and time, we've had four "what the hell was that" come out of the black this year)
2. AI. That crap is getting scary.
3. Pop implosion. We are already at the inflection point and we end up like Japan, where we might need the AI robots to wipe our asses. China isn't far behind on its own inverted population pyramid. Children of Men is a bit much, but without population growth driving economic growth, you end up the negative growth rates and economies as we know it don't function.
4. Superbug. Won't be TEOTWAWKI, but Bird Flu killing hundreds of millions.
5. Good old Global thermo nuclear war. Hopefully no one wants to play that game.
6. Good old Communism/Socialism- China, Russia and Africa show that people starve not so much because of the enviroment, but because of failed economic systems and using food as a weapon).
7. Global Climate change (natural and driven)
8. Jihadi Terrorism (Outside nukes, really hard to make a dent before we Bondo them over)
9. Alien invasion (Hoping for hot, slutty Ceylons first)
10. Yellowstone or other super volcanos. (More just a timing issue, it will get us eventually)
11. Actual biblical, olde-timey apocalypse. No ever expects an actual apocalypse, it's not like we don't deserve one.
Another link:
https://science.house.gov/news/press-releases/former-noaa-scientist-confirms-colleagues-manipulated-climate-records
Science sometimes gets co-opted by hysterical eco-weenies and other leftists for political reasons. I remember back in the 70's we were doomed because we were over populating and we were going to run out of all the really important raw materials. When I hear "global warming" or "climate change" I immediately think.......big fat HOAX!
Let's say global warming exists. I plan to be dead in 30 years or so if I play my cards right. Why should I care about people in 2099? They probably will suck anyways.
Global warming exists. There have been cycles of glacial and interglacial periods millions of years before man. But here are some thing to consider.
The two primary greenhouse gases are water vapor (which increases and decreases with rain and evaporation back into the atmosphere) and CO2. CO2 is not the product of evil corporations, but of life. Everything that breathes in oxygen and exhales CO2 contributes the second largest greenhouse gas.
So anyone worried about their carbon footprint should stop breathing. Before mammals, and after million so years of stromatolites taking in carbon and giving up oxygen our atmosphere was so oxygen rich people scientists still wonder if lightning caused fires in the sky.
Another thing to consider, we are a bit overdue for the next ice age. Back in 1977 all the "climate experts" were predicting that it would be here by the time we were adults. Perhaps our global warming is buying us some time.
But sooner or later, because no matter what we wish or attempt as a species, Earth cycles will happen and one day we will long for a little warming when the northern ice sheet extends all the way to Montana.
We probably influence things to some degree, but even if everyone started driving battery powered cars. Even if we stopped burning fossil fuels globally, Earth cycles will be Earth cycles regardless of what we do.
But again, the biggest contributor to global warming is us, and the fact that we have breed so prodigiously, and that we have domesticated food sources in such large numbers, all exhaling greenhouse gases.
No photosynthesis keeps massive CO2 levels in check by recycling them into O2, but we also have a bad habit of engaging in massive deforestation. That is where we are truly at risk.
Science sometimes gets co-opted by hysterical eco-weenies and other leftists for political reasons. I remember back in the 70's we were doomed because we were over populating and we were going to run out of all the really important raw materials. When I hear "global warming" or "climate change" I immediately think.......big fat HOAX!
From 1977 to 2006.
http://i45.tinypic.com/2dadb9y.jpg
on huge waves are smaller waves on those are smaller and yet again smaller and yet again
our weather patterns vary greatly ! if we ask those scientists how did the world go into and GET OUT OF 5 glacial and inter-glacial periods without man !
like waves coming in sets and sizes seasons some vary even over 100s of years in the scheme of things
the fact they can not even predict the weather accurately a few days in advance yet I am not suposed to believe them about long term in years
and the scare of the 70s
edited to say hahaahahah SteyrAUG wrote my thoughts while I was posting :)
While I do believe we should be good caretakers of our home, there is certainly no reason to panic. I say we build a shit load of nuclear power plants, clean & efficient. While they are being built we can figure out what to do with the waste. I think I'll go outside and let my full size SUV Idle for an hour for no reason now.
Killing the Earth one SUV at a time!!!!!
Actually nuclear power plants are expensive to build, operate, and maintain. The Davis-Besse plant up by Port Clinton is considering shutting down, as it can't compete with the gas -fired power plants. I worked on a gas fired plant, and once it got up and operating, in 4 yrs that I know of it has'nt needed major shut down for maintenance,unlike the nukes, The gas fired plants are going to kill nuclear. Cheaper to build and operate, no NRC, or nuclear waste to deal with, and 40%lower emmissions than coal fired plants right off the bat.Fewer people needed to run it. From a owner/ operator standpoint, it's a win- win.
Actually nuclear power plants are expensive to operate and maintain, Davis-Besse plant up by Port Clinton is considering shutting down, as it can't compete with the gas -fired power plants. I worked on a gas fired plant, and once it got up and operating, in 4 yrs that I know of it hasn't needed major shut down for maintenance, unlike the nukes, The gas fired plants are going to kill nuclear. Cheaper to build and operate, no NRC to deal with, and 40%lower emissions than coal fired plants right off the bat.
Natural gas is the way to go. Clean, and we have an abundant domestic supply. There are a lot of gas fired peaking plants that can just get fired up during peak demand, unlike nuke.
The future of energy is self generation. Laws/regulations and attitudes need to change.
Don't get me wrong, we need a grid and gas/coal/nuclear plants- but it should be the secondary source of energy and the primary source should be on-site and self driven.
So much inefficiency with generating tons of energy and sending it down line. Much better to generate on site and supplement/out source as needed.
People need to be more independent and provide for their own needs in every way.
Natural gas is the way to go. Clean, and we have an abundant domestic supply. There are a lot of gas fired peaked plants that can just get fired up during peak demand, unlike nuke.
The one I worked on was orginally going to be a peaking unit, but it was converted to run full time, and as far as I know, it's done just that with few, if any problems. Kinda like a Honda Accord, they just keep running and running. About 30 miles from where I live, a 750 mega watt gas fired plant is being built.
The future of energy is self generation. Laws/regulations and attitudes need to change.
Don't get me wrong, we need a grid and gas/coal/nuclear plants- but it should be the secondary source of energy and the primary source should be on-site and self driven.
So much inefficiency with generating tons of energy and sending it down line. Much better to generate on site and supplement/out source as needed.
People need to be more independent and provide for their own needs in every way.
I agree with you, The problem is, these self generating systems also need to be affordable, and that's a problem. Not everybody has $20-25k for a solar panel system, or enough roof/ property to put such a system on. Wind only works in some areas of the country and the bigger ones have noise issues. Maybe a small gas turbine/ generator? One could then use the exhaust from the turbine to heat water for hot water, or for say, radiant floor heating..
I agree with you, The problem is, these self generating systems also need to be affordable, and that's a problem. Not everybody has $20-25k for a solar panel system, or enough roof/ property to put such a system on. Wind only works in some areas of the country and the bigger ones have noise issues. Maybe a small gas turbine/ generator?
There is no single system that will solve the problem currently.
Really it's going to take innovation, mostly by individuals not
Companies to get where we need to be.
Right now a mix of solar, wind, wood gas generator, composting toilets with methane collectors, hydro electric generators etc is the best way to get the job done.
You can build your own solar array for much less than $25K. Same with a wind turbine and wood gas generators. Basically yiu can go junk yard diving and find a lot of what you need to build these units yourself.
The biggest hurdle currently is laws/regulations and people not being motivated for self reliance. The will of the people just isn't there yet.
Newer tech might change that in the near future.
Whiskey_Bravo
02-07-17, 10:37
There is no single system that will solve the problem currently.
Really it's going to take innovation, mostly by individuals not
Companies to get where we need to be.
Right now a mix of solar, wind, wood gas generator, composting toilets with methane collectors, hydro electric generators etc is the best way to get the job done.
You can build your own solar array for much less than $25K. Same with a wind turbine and wood gas generators. Basically yiu can go junk yard diving and find a lot of what you need to build these units yourself.
The biggest hurdle currently is laws/regulations and people not being motivated for self reliance. The will of the people just isn't there yet.
Newer tech might change that in the near future.
Good luck getting even .01% of the population to go junk yard diving to build their own power generating equipment, let along enough people to make any kind of meaningful difference. I am a pretty big DIY guy, and I have been in or around the construction industry for a while but I don't even see myself doing that.
Good luck getting even .01% of the population to go junk yard diving to build their own power generating equipment, let along enough people to make any kind of meaningful difference. I am a pretty big DIY guy, and I have been in or around the construction industry for a while but I don't even see myself doing that.
Wasn't implying that everyone should do that or that is the answer. Just that it can
Be done by those who are motivated to do so.
I understand the road blocks well. Self generation of power is the future, but it will have to be driven by technology and getting rid of legal constraints in order to get there.
Generating vast amounts of energy at one location and losing 75% of
It on the way to the consumer is not sustainable. Especially given population growth and demand for energy.
I love coal, gas and oil- half of my family earns a living in those industries. We need them and always will.
If we do not find a way to self sustain in more ways in our everyday lives, we are doomed to a bleak future- and I'm
Not talking "global warming" or "cooling"; I'm talking simple supply/demand, economics and wether individuals/nations want to be controlled and manipulated by energy producers or take back some of that power themselves and be more reliant on themselves instead of the .gov and massive energy producers.
Good luck getting even .01% of the population to go junk yard diving to build their own power generating equipment, let along enough people to make any kind of meaningful difference. I am a pretty big DIY guy, and I have been in or around the construction industry for a while but I don't even see myself doing that.
Me too, I was pipefitter for 32yrs (I'm retired) I already have a outside wood burner for heat, I'm not going to composting toliets when my septic tank system works just fine. I'm thinking if one has natural gas, or a gas well on their property, a small gas turbine could work, it would'nt need to be very big, after all just take a look at how big a 7k watt generator is, and that should provide plenty of power for the average home. A gas turbine to turn the generator, I'm thinking would need to be 10-12" in diameter, and maybe about 3' long, and that's just a WAG. If something like that could built and come pre tested, pre packaged, everything quick disconnect for maintainence, on a skid all ready to hook up, I think they'd sell.. But you're right, currently there's no real incentive to do this right now, maybe after a major economic crash, and even then, I would'nt bet on it..
If we do not find a way to self sustain in more ways in our everyday lives, we are doomed to a bleak future- and I'm
Not talking "global warming" or "cooling"; I'm talking simple supply/demand, economics and wether individuals/nations want to be controlled and manipulated by energy producers or take back some of that power themselves and be more reliant on themselves instead of the .gov and massive energy producers.
^^^^^^^This. My electrical power company has more control over me than my government. If they shut me off, I am dead in the water, IMMEDIATELY. No heat, no air conditioning, no internet connection, nor communication except with batter power which I can not recharge without THEIR electrical power. They treat me like I am doing them a favor for paying my bill. They are a monopoly, and as arrogant as one can be because of that fact. Plus, they raise their rates seemingly whenever they want.
Wait until that smart meter they installed (I was forced to comply) starts turning off your A/C during peak demand times (when its the hottest!) I would love to tell them to go EFFFFF themselves.
One of the few things I am always fascinated by is our desire for 1 solution. Why can't power generation be solved by more than 1 method. We should have NG Plants, nuclear, wind, solar geothermal or whatever makes sense in a specific area. Although that model makes monopolies difficult so I can see the issues.
I too would love to see the grid get chopped up into MUCH shorter/smaller and more efficient segments. Ideally every house should be independent, but I'm not sure that's possible. Every subdivision being a free standing brick could be done if people really wanted it.
Another thing that kills me is our incessant desire to build bigger and bigger homes. As we reproduce at alarming rates we remove the natural filters to make room for HUGE inefficient buildings that need power to stay cool and warm. WTF. Why not move below ground where temps are generally consistent?
Cagemonkey
02-07-17, 19:20
Man Made Global Warming is called GEOENGINEERING!! Mans been messing with mum nature in a big way ever since the Atom bomb. The Climate Change issue is a means to an end for those who advocate Global Governance. It gives Bureaucrats the authority that transcends borders.
Why not move below ground where temps are generally consistent?
Several reasons come to mind, but my top three would be water tables in some areas won't allow it; you don't get to have a status symbol for folks to look at if your shit is underground, and I'll bet some city codes don't allow it.
A couple decades ago I thought earth sheltered homes would really catch on, but they never have.
Wait until that smart meter they installed (I was forced to comply) starts turning off your A/C during peak demand times (when its the hottest!) I would love to tell them to go EFFFFF themselves.
They showed up three times in my driveway unannounced and tried to put one of those on my house. The installers seemed dumbfounded that I didi't want it. "Its free of charge…" they said. The first two times I told them to leave and not to come back without an appointment. The third time I told them to get the eff out and don't set foot on my property again without my permission. They haven't been back since that episode. I told them in sort of a loud and emphatic way.
Why not move below ground where temps are generally consistent?
I have wondered about this since I was a little kid. I have animals that live in burrows, and I constantly monitor temperature and humidity down there. It would make a lot more sense and be a lot more efficient to live underground.
I have solar panels up. I did it because my wife likes to keep the house at 72 when it 105 outside in summer. The stupid air con setting is the primary thing we fight about in summer. Not having an electric bill is quite nice, I gotta tell y'all.
Man Made Global Warming is called GEOENGINEERING!! Mans been messing with mum nature in a big way ever since the Atom bomb. The Climate Change issue is a means to an end for those who advocate Global Governance. It gives Bureaucrats the authority that transcends borders.
This is the truth imo. Local mini-nuclear power such as is used to power naval vessels is really interesting to me.
It is better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener at war
Whiskey_Bravo
02-07-17, 21:59
This is the truth imo. Local mini-nuclear power such as is used to power naval vessels is really interesting to me.
It is better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener at war
https://www.cnet.com/news/a-personal-nuclear-reactor-not-so-fast/
Not a personal reactor but one that according to the article would work for about 200 homes. 5 mega watt mini reactor, no maintenance.
on Maui they put up wind which was a good idea of course they kill so so so many birds its insane and they break down constantly and rust out in the islands and cost more to maintain then they make :)
solar here in AZ is a good idea on each home but many do not allow it per HOA ? solar tech will get better and better and should be more viable in the future
but until then a 10+ year break even point is not worth it to most folks I have talked to as you end up in the same spot from initial cost etc
could be to the extreme heat here is not as efficient ? but have not heard awesome things about solar here yet ?
considering electric cars are the biggest joke and are worse for the environment :)
give it another 30-50 years and see where we are with energy tech at this point the alternatives seems to have more downsides then upsides
I would love to live up north more in a small super efficient small place and have a really large studio space that I did not have to worry about keeping comfy as much just when needed in the day
one thing I miss about the islands is never to cold and never to warm and pretty much never have to run AC unlike here in AZ when its 115+ in the summer
enough sun radiant though keeps the house warm in the winter
Several reasons come to mind, but my top three would be water tables in some areas won't allow it; you don't get to have a status symbol for folks to look at if your shit is underground, and I'll bet some city codes don't allow it.
A couple decades ago I thought earth sheltered homes would really catch on, but they never have.
I suspect even mild floods would be catastrophic. Plus having done some winters in a basement, cabin fever is a real thing. No windows, no natural light, no easy access to the top side for the elderly, etc. And if you think maintenance is a big deal when your house is on a slab, wait until you are 8 to 10 feet down with all the stuff that wants to return your building materials to the earth.
There are some advantages to the batcave, but there are a whole lot of related problems. If you built big enough a community might be possible. Personal living space below ground with common areas above ground so people don't go nuts. You could have an entire honeycomb structure that would last decades if you built it like a Saddam bunker. You could do the solar array and have a battery farm below even though it would take up a LOT of space.
Maybe Soros could just build one of those instead of spending money to screw up the country.
Moose-Knuckle
02-08-17, 04:41
Man Made Global Warming is called GEOENGINEERING!! Mans been messing with mum nature in a big way ever since the Atom bomb. The Climate Change issue is a means to an end for those who advocate Global Governance. It gives Bureaucrats the authority that transcends borders.
You just saved me a metric shit ton of typing.
But who am I kidding, most people think that stratospheric aerosol injection is conspiratorial fantasy.
They showed up three times in my driveway unannounced and tried to put one of those on my house. The installers seemed dumbfounded that I didi't want it. "Its free of charge…" they said. The first two times I told them to leave and not to come back without an appointment. The third time I told them to get the eff out and don't set foot on my property again without my permission. They haven't been back since that episode. I told them in sort of a loud and emphatic way.
My electric power company said they would terminate my service if I did not allow the smart meter to be installed. I had no choice, as they are known for just turning people off, almost on a whim. They are fascisti!
Mr. Goodtimes
02-08-17, 08:23
I wonder if with the new admin we will see the tier 4 standards go away. I would so love to see emissions reverted back to tier 3 or even earlier.
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Whiskey_Bravo
02-08-17, 09:00
My electric power company said they would terminate my service if I did not allow the smart meter to be installed. I had no choice, as they are known for just turning people off, almost on a whim. They are fascisti!
Same thing happened to us at our previous house. No option.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081214/D952LKP00.html
LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!! REALLY!??!?!?!???!?!? What a crock of shit.
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=2158072e-802a-23ad-45f0-274616db87e6
650 scientist vs 52.
I opened up the link to read where the quotes are from, it's just the Senate page. Can you clarify what report this is from?
I opened up the link to read where the quotes are from, it's just the Senate page. Can you clarify what report this is from?
That post was from 12-14-08 and the OP hasn't posted here since Jan of 2010.
Averageman
02-08-17, 09:45
Thanks RINO's,
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-02-08/prominent-republicans-begin-push-to-tax-carbon-cut-regulations
A group of prominent Republicans and business leaders, including former Treasury Secretaries Hank Paulson and James Baker, will meet with some of President Donald Trump’s top advisers at the White House Wednesday to push a plan to tax carbon dioxide in exchange for lifting a slew of environmental regulations.
“Unlike the current cumbersome regulatory approach, a levy on emissions would free companies to find the most efficient way to reduce their carbon footprint,” Baker and former Secretary of State George Shultz wrote in a Wall Street Journal opinion article posted online late Tuesday. “A sensibly priced, gradually rising tax would send a powerful market signal to businesses that want certainty when planning for the future.”
The proponents are set to formally announce their proposal Wednesday at the National Press Club, lending their stature to an approach for addressing climate change that mirrors an idea already advanced by Exxon Mobil Corp. The self-dubbed Climate Leadership Council pushing the framework says a carbon tax is necessary to respond to "mounting evidence of climate change" that is "growing too strong to ignore."
That post was from 12-14-08 and the OP hasn't posted here since Jan of 2010.
Holy crap. Thanks. I am too tired and under-caffeinated today.
Thanks RINO's,
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-02-08/prominent-republicans-begin-push-to-tax-carbon-cut-regulations
A group of prominent Republicans and business leaders, including former Treasury Secretaries Hank Paulson and James Baker, will meet with some of President Donald Trump’s top advisers at the White House Wednesday to push a plan to tax carbon dioxide in exchange for lifting a slew of environmental regulations.
“Unlike the current cumbersome regulatory approach, a levy on emissions would free companies to find the most efficient way to reduce their carbon footprint,” Baker and former Secretary of State George Shultz wrote in a Wall Street Journal opinion article posted online late Tuesday. “A sensibly priced, gradually rising tax would send a powerful market signal to businesses that want certainty when planning for the future.”
The proponents are set to formally announce their proposal Wednesday at the National Press Club, lending their stature to an approach for addressing climate change that mirrors an idea already advanced by Exxon Mobil Corp. The self-dubbed Climate Leadership Council pushing the framework says a carbon tax is necessary to respond to "mounting evidence of climate change" that is "growing too strong to ignore."
So every time somebody breathes, they get taxed?
Averageman
02-08-17, 13:43
So every time somebody breathes, they get taxed?
Apparently George Harrison was right....
Moose-Knuckle
02-09-17, 04:11
So every time somebody breathes, they get taxed?
Double taxed if they fart!
Maybe the feminist should intervene before queefs are added to the list.
Double taxed if they fart!
Maybe the feminist should intervene before queefs are added to the list.
Nah...that's "recycled" air...
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Apparently George Harrison was right....
Declare the pennies on your eyes.
Averageman
02-09-17, 06:52
The minute I heard Al Gore was going to profit from a "Carbon Tax", my BS detector was pegged on the whole Global Warming issue.
I will resist any part of this crap from ever becoming the new norm.
Cagemonkey
02-09-17, 17:59
You just saved me a metric shit ton of typing.
But who am I kidding, most people think that stratospheric aerosol injection is conspiratorial fantasy.Thanks Moose
platoonDaddy
02-09-17, 20:18
My electric power company said they would terminate my service if I did not allow the smart meter to be installed. I had no choice, as they are known for just turning people off, almost on a whim. They are fascisti!
Are you sure that is legal? They tried that in MD, but loss out, though I have to pay an extra fee. Frig the smart-meter.
Now we have, so called Senior Republican statesmen proposing a carbon tax
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