Which Optic

[Evil Bert]

I’m trying to decide between the following Optics.

Trijicon TR-24 Accupoint 1-4x24(BAC post)
Trijicon TR-25 Accupoint 1-6x24 (BAC post)
Primary Arms 1-6x25 ACSS
ELCAN Spectre DR 1-4 ADS 556

For the LPVOs they will be SFP which is fine as it would very rare you use any in between state so I’m not worried about the issues with SFP

I really LOVE the ACSS reticle of the PA 1-6.

I love the no battery of the trijicons but I understand the limitations of the tritium in dark areas (think home defense at night) and I don’t care for the reticles

I like everything about the ELCAN except the the A.R.M.S. throw levers (seriously why?). They are not a deal breaker as I guess I can zip tie them in place but I know I’ll have to re-zero if I remove the optic but that would be pretty rare.

I’m leaning towards the PA ACSS 1-6 LPVO as it is cheaper and if I’m not happy with a variable optic I haven’t spent too much money and it’s easier to resell.

Then I’d just go with the T2.

I should add this is going on a 11.5 pistol and use is HD/SHTF. The idea of having the ability to “zoom” is not necessarily for engagement but more for identification and ranging (hence the ACSS and ELCAN reticle love).

I’m looking for why you chose or recommend any of these optics or if I should consider (not interested in flip to side 3x mags. I know too many people (including SF) who end up just removing them as they get annoyed with them.

Thanks.

[HKGuns]

My Choice for that use case and platform would be to go straight to the T2 or equivalent.

[bulldozer3]

Similar use case for me and i went with the delta stryker 1-6 in badger 1.7 mount with offset red dot zeroed in close.

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[gaijin]

I run an MRO on one and a 1-4X TR24 with (Green) BAC on one.
The BAC works for my purposes, but the reticle is tough to use, certainly past 300 yds.- it obscures the entire target.

[titsonritz]

If only there were an Optics Forum around here, maybe sponsored by Primary Arms or something. :blink:

I'd go T-2 Micro.

[Evil Bert]

If only there were an Optics Forum around here, maybe sponsored by Primary Arms or something. :blink:

I'd go T-2 Micro.

Sorry.

[Mysteryman]

What are you ranging inside your home?? The extra weight makes an LPVO a poor choice for HD work. Aimpoint and move on.

[grizzlyblake]

What does your imagined “SHTF” look like? Why did you choose an 11.5 over a 14.5 or 16?

The optics you listed have a huge spread in cost and capability. Perhaps there’s something that would better fit your use and budget.

[Hammer_Man]

For HD go with the T2, or an Eotech.

[grizzman]

An LPVO on an 11.5" HD pistol doesn't make any sense at all to me. I suggest running a T2.

Mine has an MRO, but it's eventually going to get an Aimpoint Duty RDS.

[DoubleW]

I vote Comp M5S with 3x magnifier if need be.

[Evil Bert]

I don’t have a budget. Cost is not a concern per se but I understand diminishing returns.

I define my home as the house but also my land. Ranges could be out to 2-300 yds. Anything longer and I’d use my 16”. The 11.5 is for maneuverability in and around the house and in and out of vehicles. Also it is easier to travel with between homes. Also as a pistol I don’t need to ask the Feds for permission (5320.20) to travel between states (vaca homes) with it when I want to. Often we decide in short order.

The idea of the 1x to x is at 1x it acts as a red dot. But I can make longer shots if needed with more accuracy. I understand fully FFP vs SFP.

I agree I could do an RD + Mag. But someone tell me the net diff between an RD + Mag and an LPVO? Don’t they solve for the same problem just different ways? Flipping to the side vs rotation.

What am I missing?

[HKGuns]

What am I missing?

About 20 ounces by going with the T2. You don't need a magnifier for your stated use case. You won't be banging bad guys at 200 yards for home defense.

[utahjeepr]

How is your unaided vision? Can you easily discriminate targets at 2-300? Any astigmatism or other issue precluding the use of a red dot.

Your stated max range, primary use, and build intent seem to line up with an aimpoint.

[Evil Bert]

My vision is 20/15 (LASIK) in both eyes. These are all good points to consider. I’ll chew on the option of a T2 with a flip mag. I guess one benefit if the mag is I can take it off if-when I need to.

[Hammer_Man]

My vision is 20/15 (LASIK) in both eyes. These are all good points to consider. I’ll chew on the option of a T2 with a flip mag. I guess one benefit if the mag is I can take it off if-when I need to.

Here’s what I suggest: Aimpoint T2 on a tall mount, such as a Unity Tactical Fast mount or Knight’s Armament sky scraper mount. This will allow you a more upright posture while you run and gun, and should afford you easy hits out to 300 meters should that saucer full of space hippies invade your land.

[Evil Bert]

This will allow you a more upright posture while you run and gun, and should afford you easy hits out to 300 meters should that saucer full of space hippies invade your land.


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[odugrad]

I've got an 11.5 pistol that I use for home defense. I put an MRO on mine and I'm happy with it. I've got a T1 on my 14.5 that's a shtf rifle.

[Biggy]

IMHO, for a 11.5" inch barreled upper, an Aimpoint Micro T1 or T2 on a Unity Tactical FAST mount and a Aimpoint or EOTECH 3X magnifier in a Unity Tactical FAST QD mount. It's a very versatile setup and with the QD magnifier mount you also have the option of removing it and running just the Aimpoint Micro RDS alone. Unity Tactical is also releasing a new magnifier mount that will work with other magnifiers with the EO Tech mounting bolt spacing. Also, unlike the ELCAN, most if not all magnifiers have an adjustable diopter for focus if your eyesight is less than 20/20.

[RUTGERS95]

I’m trying to decide between the following Optics.

Trijicon TR-24 Accupoint 1-4x24(BAC post)
Trijicon TR-25 Accupoint 1-6x24 (BAC post)
Primary Arms 1-6x25 ACSS
ELCAN Spectre DR 1-4 ADS 556

For the LPVOs they will be SFP which is fine as it would very rare you use any in between state so I’m not worried about the issues with SFP

I really LOVE the ACSS reticle of the PA 1-6.

I love the no battery of the trijicons but I understand the limitations of the tritium in dark areas (think home defense at night) and I don’t care for the reticles

I like everything about the ELCAN except the the A.R.M.S. throw levers (seriously why?). They are not a deal breaker as I guess I can zip tie them in place but I know I’ll have to re-zero if I remove the optic but that would be pretty rare.

I’m leaning towards the PA ACSS 1-6 LPVO as it is cheaper and if I’m not happy with a variable optic I haven’t spent too much money and it’s easier to resell.

Then I’d just go with the T2.

I should add this is going on a 11.5 pistol and use is HD/SHTF. The idea of having the ability to “zoom” is not necessarily for engagement but more for identification and ranging (hence the ACSS and ELCAN reticle love).

I’m looking for why you chose or recommend any of these optics or if I should consider (not interested in flip to side 3x mags. I know too many people (including SF) who end up just removing them as they get annoyed with them.

Thanks.

burris rt6 for lpvo. tough as nails, great glass, great reticle, and it's a burris! punches way way above it's belt
I'd buy a swampfox before the pa

[Stickman]

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I like everything about the ELCAN except the the A.R.M.S. throw levers (seriously why?). They are not a deal breaker as I guess I can zip tie them in place but I know I’ll have to re-zero if I remove the optic but that would be pretty rare.



How many times have you had ARMS levers on an item which was taken off, then put back on, and it was off by more than 1 moa?

[Pappabear]

I would run a RDS and maybe a magnifier if I wanted more distance out of my 11.5. I would not go LPVO on a 11.5 gun.

PB

[Arch]

The only optic I owned from teh OP's original four options was the TR24. I had three of them. I found them to be heavy and the glass quality didn't seem to match the countless ACOGs I have owned.

Since he's putting it on a 11.5" I wouldn't go with a LPVO personally. I'd look at a Aimpoint T2 or CompM5.

[Arch]

My personal optic preferences are pretty dated. My ACOG experience started in 1994 when I bought my first one, and I'm still waiting for something I like better (and I have spent a small fortune trying to find it). My first Aimpoint experience started about 15 years ago. I have owned and used US Optics LPVO (several), Nightforce (a couple), Leupold (so many I can't count), Trijicon MROs (4 of them), EOTechs (so many versions), Trijicon Reflex (2 or 3), CMORE, Trijicon TR21 (2 of them) and TR24 (3 of them), Steiner products, Vortex (too many to remember), ACOGs (too many to count), Aimpoints (lots of T1, T2, ML2, M3, CompM4, CompM4S, Pro), Elcans, Trijicon RMR / RMRcc (7 or 8 of them .. I do like these on a Glock Gen 5 MOS), plus tons of stuff I'm forgetting.

This is what I settled upon ....

10.5" or 11.5" AR Pistol .... Aimpoint T1 or T2
16" CQB / General Purpose ... Aimpoint CompM4S
16" DMR ... Trijicon TA31
16" 7.62 ... Trijicon TA11

LaRue mount all things.

Boring, but it works great for me and has for MANY years. Every time I stray away from this I regret it.

[1168]

(not interested in flip to side 3x mags. I know too many people (including SF) who end up just removing them as they get annoyed with them.
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Yeah, when they were new and my eyes were, too, I was one of the dudes that kept magnifiers off my work gun. I hated the Short Dot and Elcan, too. But, I turned 38 yesterday, and a magnifier has been highly beneficial. T2/3x/Scalarworks is lighter than any LPVO I own. In fact, its lighter than most or all LPVOs, once mounted, and you can also take the QD magnifier off whenever.




But someone tell me the net diff between an RD + Mag and an LPVO? Don’t they solve for the same problem just different ways? Flipping to the side vs rotation.

What am I missing?
The difference is that the LPVO is a medium range optic that can do CQB, and the Dot/3x is a CQB optic that can do a little medium range work. They both live in the Venn diagram overlap between an unmagnified dot and a high power (9x+) scope. In CQB a LPVO’s signature move is being able to mimic an Aimpoint. An Aimpoint is even better at mimicking an Aimpoint, though.

A key difference is that the LPVO has an eye box all the time, whereas a magnifier only has that when selected. For this reason I would not choose one on a pistol, though I could be swayed that way with the same 11.5” with a proper stock.

If I had to sell every rifle I own except the one that best fits your use-case, I’d keep my 12.3” with T2 and magnifier.

As to the selection of optics you mentioned, as someone else stated, its a huge spread in price and capability. If you like PA and ACSS, consider the PLx 1-8x. On a different gun, though. If you want a Triji, there are different models that would compare better to an Elcan, IMO.

[DefenderAO]

Aimpoint T2 and 3x magnifier in Unity Tactical mounts

[MegademiC]

For HD, a rds or lpvo with a huge eyebox.

I ran a laupold vxr patrol for a long time (still do, different role).

It had 1.5x mag but was still fast due to a massive eyebox and bright dot (very light also).

I have a didicated hd gun with rds now. If I have to go outside, i take the lpvo, but Im looking for modern options now as its an outdated scope IMO.