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Getting damn sick of killing expensive watches, but G shocks require an engineering degree to set them.
Need something in the middle. Stainless steel is probably a must, I've destroyed all kinds of Luminox watches from poly to steel. Probably needs a sapphire crystal so survive on my wrist.
Need it to be LARGE, getting old and I don't want to squint at dates or things like that. Prefer an old school automatic but also looking at Garmins and IF they have large displays with useful data (time, date, temp, etc.) and they are rugged enough and aren't just a glorified fitbit I'd consider it.
I've already had a Rolex sub and daily use did a lot of damage. Watched a buddy of mine bang around a really nice Omega until it was a mess. I can't destroy another $2-4k watch but I also can't get by on Swiss Army watches either.
I have a few dress watches which I wear for special stuff. I need a daily bang around watch that I can knock into crap accidentally and it won't explode.
just a scout
01-31-22, 07:22
Try the Maratac watches from County Comm. I have the titanium field watch and I love it.
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Reagans Rascals
01-31-22, 07:28
Citizen Eco-Drive, or the Blue Angels variant. Maybe something like this:
https://www.zales.com/mens-citizen-ecodrive%C2%AE-promaster-blue-angels-skyhawk-at-chronograph-strap-watch-blue-dial-model%3A-jy807801l/p/V-20285873?cid=PLA-goo-Omni+-+PLA+-+P2+-+LIA+-+Watches&gclid=Cj0KCQiArt6PBhCoARIsAMF5waiVXQFViFOuyRN2rZeK-MW86VjvsJRaeHOKeD6k9XByJIDR4uz0O1YaAojtEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
https://watchyourselves.com/citizen-promaster-eco-drive-bn0151-09l/
dwhitehorne
01-31-22, 07:30
My favorite all around watch is my Citizen eco drive promaster divers watch. I got it for under $200. I can see the time without readers on at any angle. The illumination easily lasts all night. The crown doesn't poke me in the back of the hand. David
The Seiko Samurai is a decent automatic diver that falls into the budget.
It's rated to 200m which is far deeper than most of us would ever go.
https://www.thewatchcompany.com/blog/seiko-samurai-a-review-of-seikos-powerful-dive-watch/
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Never tried any Citizens. But my Seiko and ??? were both pieces of shit that wouldn't do a key function.... KEEP TIME! :mad:
(Edit: Actually, I'm not sure my other bad watch was Maratac. I got it from the maratac dealer, but it may have been something else)
I finally gave up on automatics because I wasn't going to spend a lot of money on something I will abuse. Back to G-shock solar I went.
Do you dive? I know that dive watches are popular and not everyone uses them for diving. I second Citizen and Seiko.
I totally agree with your assessment about G-Shock. Holy hell. My everyday watch is a G-Shock Mudman (NOT the Mudmaster, which is one of their need-a-PhD-to-set watches). It can do it all, good enough for my old crappy eyes.
We've got one of these in the house. You can still get them from Japan. Seiko SKX009K2 . SHould be able to snag one under $400. These have been around since the 'Nam days and are bulletproof and proven. The lume is Seiko and lasts all night. Just order one and wait for it. Unlike an NFA, you will have it from Japan in a month...
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2117/1313/products/SKX009K2.jpg?v=1542867784
I agree on all other points. I'm getting too old and cranky to deal with G-shocks. It's like setting the record program on a 1980s VCR. Luminox hasn't made a good watch on over 10 years now. I still have the original Navy Seal with a steel case, but the tubes are dying and it's cost prohibitive to replace them.
robbins290
01-31-22, 09:59
I have a 10 year old citizen eco drive watch. I Beat it to crap and it never broke. I love the fact that it does not take batteries. Mine is stainless steel and I immerse it in salt water all the time and never had an issue. The lens take alot of abuse as I wear when i am welding and grind and it never shattered.
Adrenaline_6
01-31-22, 10:08
I have an Eco drive that I beat to crap. Not a diving model though. It had the regular glass, but after I put a huge scratch/gash in it, I sent it in to Hurley Roberts and had them do a complete overhaul (changed the capacitor, gaskets) and upgraded it to a sapphire crystal face. Almost like new now.
BrigandTwoFour
01-31-22, 10:10
If you're looking for an automatic on a budget, the guy who runs Long Island Watch has started getting into producing his own brand, "Islander." There are lots of options in the auto dive watch segment, this is just the one that stood out to me (https://longislandwatch.com/islander-automatic-dive-watch-with-solid-link-bracelet-ar-sapphire-crystal-dual-time-luminous-batman-bezel-insert-isl-74/). Automatic winding, 200M resistance, and $329.
https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-uzonwrhn18/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/17275/87744/apiocvcz0__82180.1619743249.jpg
I've been very tempted by some of his flieger watch designs.
You could also check out Orient watches (https://longislandwatch.com/orient-watches/). They're lesser known than Seiko or Citizen, but have been around just about as long in Japan.
Defaultmp3
01-31-22, 10:20
FWIW, sapphire isn't necessarily the best choice, depending on the alternatives; while it's extremely hard, it's not that tough compared to, say, Hesalite, so while it won't scratch as easily as Hesalite, it's more likely to shatter/crack on a hit.
I would not suggest a Garmin, if you thought a G-shock was hard to set. My tactix Delta has held up just fine with as rough as I treat it, but with the plethora of capabilities comes a huge amount of customization, and it can get very complicated very fast.
Need it to be LARGE, getting old and I don't want to squint at dates or things like that. Prefer an old school automatic but also looking at Garmins and IF they have large displays with useful data (time, date, temp, etc.) and they are rugged enough and aren't just a glorified fitbit I'd consider it.
I've already had a Rolex sub and daily use did a lot of damage. Watched a buddy of mine bang around a really nice Omega until it was a mess. I can't destroy another $2-4k watch but I also can't get by on Swiss Army watches either.
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Days of $2 - 4K Rolex, Omega are long gone. I know you're not in the market and neither am I, but I keep up with the crazy price. A new Rolex Sub now starts at over $8000 IF you can find one at the dealer, you have to put your name down in their "unofficial" waiting list. An Omega Seamaster 300 Diver starts at over $5000.
As for affordable, knock around automatic diver style watches for around $400 can be had. Others have already recommended Seiko and Citizen.
Steinhart make good, solid, good looking "Rolex" style divers. You can find used ones around $400 or less (the Ocean One model). New ones start around $500. They're available in 39 and 42 mm. 39 is enough for me. Their dials are highly visible and so are the lumes.
https://www.watchrecon.com/?query=steinhart+ocean+one
https://us.gnomonwatches.com/collections/steinhart
https://www.chrono24.com/search/index.htm?countryIds=US¤cyId=USD&dosearch=true&manufacturerIds=226&maxAgeInDays=0&models=847&pageSize=60&priceFrom=400&priceTo=500&redirectToSearchIndex=true&resultview=block&sortorder=0
Chrono24 is a good place if you're not a member of any watch forums.
Since you're a regular gun forum member, let me suggest the mother of all watch forum:
www.watchuseek.com
My favorite bang around Seiko is this one, SPB147J1, 40mm, remake of Seiko's first diver, although it's above your $400 threshhold:
https://i.imgur.com/m1ZN2k3.jpg
I don't wear watches much, but when I do and I do dive, it is this one. YMMV
Reactor Watches (https://www.reactorwatch.com/product/titan/)
FEATURES
- Individually depth tested to 200 M / 660 ft.
- Tough Nitromid polymer for lightweight & impact resistance
- Crystal, crown & caseback mount into 316L stainless core
- Inner rotating bezel with tritium tubes for low light use
- Secure screw bar case-to-band interface for superior strength
ETA: I do not use the dive watch to track any diving activity. I use a Shearwater Perdix AI for all my essential diving essentials.
For diving I use a dive watch. Something simple, no bells or whistles. I rarely use the rotating bezel. I have an upscale, dressy Mickey Mouse watch when I have play dress up. For all else I use a Casio G-Shock Mudman.
I used the expensive Suunto and one of the Casio G-Shock Master of G (that was the one that required the engineering degree), and both had so many functions and were onerous to use I just got rid of them.
Edited to add, I have not actually worn a watch since October 23 (I think), the day before my cancer surgery. I am kinda getting used to it.
gunnerblue
01-31-22, 11:22
OP if I were in your shoes I'd look at the Seiko Prospex models for a large, automatic watch that's also tough. I just picked up this SRPD27 model to replace a G-shock for daily wear. All I want a watch to do is tell me time and date and service being knocked around in the field, shop, etc.
https://www.amazon.com/SEIKO-Seiko-SRPD27-PROSPEX/dp/B07T4TSC3W/ref=mp_s_a_1_23?crid=2OD8SLCDUTHGJ&keywords=seiko+prospex&qid=1643648620&sprefix=seiko+prospe%2Caps%2C301&sr=8-23
We've got one of these in the house. You can still get them from Japan. Seiko SKX009K2 . SHould be able to snag one under $400. These have been around since the 'Nam days and are bulletproof and proven. The lume is Seiko and lasts all night. Just order one and wait for it. Unlike an NFA, you will have it from Japan in a month...
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2117/1313/products/SKX009K2.jpg?v=1542867784
I agree on all other points. I'm getting too old and cranky to deal with G-shocks. It's like setting the record program on a 1980s VCR. Luminox hasn't made a good watch on over 10 years now. I still have the original Navy Seal with a steel case, but the tubes are dying and it's cost prohibitive to replace them.
I love the 007, I wear mine a lot and it’s held up well. The nice thing is if you kill it the parts are cheap and you can replace the movement pretty easily. The stock Seiko straps and bands aren’t great, but there are lots of good NATO straps. I have mine on a rubber Uncle Seiko strap and never had any issues with it swimming, working out or just generally being rough on it.
Probably a Seiko like others have posted. A Hamilton Khaki Field might work too.
https://www.hamiltonwatch.com/en-us/collection/khaki-field.html?p=2&price=0-1000
+1 on Orient watches. I have had one for 5-6 years and have absolutely beat the crap out of it. It’s held up well, and at well under $200 I don’t worry about breaking it (unlike the Tag-Huer I was able to destroy).
Long Island Watch is a favorite of the watch forums.
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Probably a Seiko like others have posted. A Hamilton Khaki Field might work too.
https://www.hamiltonwatch.com/en-us/collection/khaki-field.html?p=2&price=0-1000
I would love an old-school field watch, but eff me, not at those prices.
Lately I've been curious about VAER. Read a little on it, seems like a solid watch, whether you go with the diver or field variety.
Here is a solar diver for less than $400:
https://www.vaerwatches.com/collections/dive-watches/products/d4-arctic-usa-solar-diver
It's like a combo of Rolex Sub bezel + Omega Seamaster case + Seiko or Citizen solar. :)
I have the Seiko SKX007 it’s probably 8-9 years old. Been beat the hell and works like a charm. Only had to change the band.
Do you dive? I know that dive watches are popular and not everyone uses them for diving. I second Citizen and Seiko.
I totally agree with your assessment about G-Shock. Holy hell. My everyday watch is a G-Shock Mudman (NOT the Mudmaster, which is one of their need-a-PhD-to-set watches). It can do it all, good enough for my old crappy eyes.
I sometimes dive, but mostly want a dive watch to make sure it survives all the things a "water resistant" watch will not. Also dive watches tend to have LARGE markings which make them readable.
Thanks to everyone for the recommendations thus far, I have some research to do now.
I have the Seiko SKX007 it’s probably 8-9 years old. Been beat the hell and works like a charm. Only had to change the band.
Do they offer it with something similar to an Oyster SS bracelet? I want a clasp watch as buckles annoy the crap out of me. But those jubilee style bracelets with the small links go to crap really fast.
Do they offer it with something similar to an Oyster SS bracelet? I want a clasp watch as buckles annoy the crap out of me. But those jubilee style bracelets with the small links go to crap really fast.
Aftermarket oyster style bracelet are plenty and a lot are higher quality than Seiko's.
Strapcode Super Oyster made specifically for the 007/009 series, with ratchet clasp at almost $100:
https://www.strapcode.com/collections/watch-bands-for-seiko-skx007/products/metal-ss-bcl17-b040
Strapcode Super Oyster for the 007/009 without the ratchet clasp at $60:
https://www.strapcode.com/products/metal-ss-bcl03-b010
They have 5 pages of dedicated 007/9 straps and bracelets. All their stainless steel bracelets have solid end links. Get rid of the cheesy hollow ends that usually come with Seiko. When I had a 007, the first thing I did was get a yobokies bracelet, back then they're the go to SS bracelets.
Aftermarket oyster style bracelet are plenty and a lot are higher quality than Seiko's.
Strapcode Super Oyster made specifically for the 007/009 series, with ratchet clasp at almost $100:
https://www.strapcode.com/collections/watch-bands-for-seiko-skx007/products/metal-ss-bcl17-b040
Strapcode Super Oyster for the 007/009 without the ratchet clasp at $60:
https://www.strapcode.com/products/metal-ss-bcl03-b010
They have 5 pages of dedicated 007/9 straps and bracelets. All their stainless steel bracelets have solid end links. Get rid of the cheesy hollow ends that usually come with Seiko. When I had a 007, the first thing I did was get a yobokies bracelet, back then they're the go to SS bracelets.
Sounds like I found my watch.
Where is the best place to buy a NEW 007/009? Obviously not Amazon and I don't want to wade through the rebuilds on EB.
The Seiko SKX009K2 looks like what I'm most interested in.
Defaultmp3
01-31-22, 22:52
Sounds like I found my watch.
Where is the best place to buy a NEW 007/009? Obviously not Amazon and I don't want to wade through the rebuilds on EB.
The Seiko SKX009K2 looks like what I'm most interested in.Uh... nowhere, AFAIK. The SKX007/009 were discontinued in 2019. You would have to hunt for NOS at this point. The Seiko 5 Sports collection is its successor for the most part.
Uh... nowhere, AFAIK. The SKX007/009 were discontinued in 2019. You would have to hunt for NOS at this point. The Seiko 5 Sports collection is its successor for the most part.
FAUK.
Those Seiko 5s and all the other ones just aren't it for me.
Uh... nowhere, AFAIK. The SKX007/009 were discontinued in 2019. You would have to hunt for NOS at this point. The Seiko 5 Sports collection is its successor for the most part.
There are some old stocks that's still floating around, I did double check.
I think the Seiko 5 series are a notch below the old 007/9 series in quality. The Prospect series is a notch or two above, if AUG wants to spend a little more, not more as they're still under $1000.
Uh... nowhere, AFAIK. The SKX007/009 were discontinued in 2019. You would have to hunt for NOS at this point. The Seiko 5 Sports collection is its successor for the most part.
There are some old stocks that's still floating around, I did double check.
I think the Seiko 5 series are a notch below the old 007/9 series in quality. The Prospect series is a notch or two above, if AUG wants to spend a little more, not more as they're still under $1000.
Seiko SKX 007, full stop is the undisputed king. Recommended by EVERY WIS, this should be a clue. A close second for me due to the background of the founder would be Scurfa watches. I wouldn’t mind picking one up my self. Also, take a gander at the “Grey Nato” pod cast/blog. Lot’s of good suggestions for tool watches.
For a 007/009 style you might also find old stock of a SKX173. You might also like a turtle.
https://www.theseikoguy.com/seiko-turtle/
Try the Maratac watches from County Comm. I have the titanium field watch and I love it.
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I’ll echo the maratac watch.
https://countycomm.com/collections/mechanical-watches/products/2021-titanium-x1-sr-35-diver-automatic-watch-titanium-mil-band-by-maratac
Getting damn sick of killing expensive watches, but G shocks require an engineering degree to set them.
Need something in the middle. Stainless steel is probably a must, I've destroyed all kinds of Luminox watches from poly to steel. Probably needs a sapphire crystal so survive on my wrist.
Need it to be LARGE, getting old and I don't want to squint at dates or things like that. Prefer an old school automatic but also looking at Garmins and IF they have large displays with useful data (time, date, temp, etc.) and they are rugged enough and aren't just a glorified fitbit I'd consider it.
I've already had a Rolex sub and daily use did a lot of damage. Watched a buddy of mine bang around a really nice Omega until it was a mess. I can't destroy another $2-4k watch but I also can't get by on Swiss Army watches either.
I have a few dress watches which I wear for special stuff. I need a daily bang around watch that I can knock into crap accidentally and it won't explode.
as a diver, I always say go Marathon but in the 400 range, the citizen is not a bad option. I have one and it's not bad option for everyday carry. I've had mine for 8yrs and beat the pulp out of it and still going strong and pretty scratch resistant
Citizen Eco-Drive, or the Blue Angels variant. Maybe something like this:
https://www.zales.com/mens-citizen-ecodrive%C2%AE-promaster-blue-angels-skyhawk-at-chronograph-strap-watch-blue-dial-model%3A-jy807801l/p/V-20285873?cid=PLA-goo-Omni+-+PLA+-+P2+-+LIA+-+Watches&gclid=Cj0KCQiArt6PBhCoARIsAMF5waiVXQFViFOuyRN2rZeK-MW86VjvsJRaeHOKeD6k9XByJIDR4uz0O1YaAojtEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
https://watchyourselves.com/citizen-promaster-eco-drive-bn0151-09l/
right here, 2nd one is the one you want. I have it in ss band and a tank and have had it to 180ft.
Marathon has sales at end of yr for roughly 700 if you decide to go higher but the citizen promaster dive watch is your ticket.
Sounds like you've made your choice for a Seiko. I've worn them for years, they are a good choice. Obviously so, they have a lot of fans.
I also have a SWC MkII Diver that I like. I've chipped the bezel during a dive though. Still works, still waterproof, but I'm less impressed with "sapphire" now.
Just gotta ask though. Aside from the depth ratings,does anybody care about dive watches for diving? I mean seriously, that's what dive computers are for. Even simple diving without a computer, I care more about my gauges than I do a watch.
Sounds like you've made your choice for a Seiko. I've worn them for years, they are a good choice. Obviously so, they have a lot of fans.
I also have a SWC MkII Diver that I like. I've chipped the bezel during a dive though. Still works, still waterproof, but I'm less impressed with "sapphire" now.
Just gotta ask though. Aside from the depth ratings,does anybody care about dive watches for diving? I mean seriously, that's what dive computers are for. Even simple diving without a computer, I care more about my gauges than I do a watch.
no serious diver relies on tech as the sole device for time on the bottom etc., back up is key. I personally use my watch when at depth but I also figure know my time at depth (give or take a band of 15ft) prior to hitting the water. I never rely on anything one tool to be honest.
I guess if diving in bahamas or the like on vacation I can see that but you do a night dive on a wreck in the Atlantic etc, no way do I take one is one approach.
just me, then again I had a near death experience diving so I take it seriously. You are not king of the hill below the surface lol
Just gotta ask though. Aside from the depth ratings,does anybody care about dive watches for diving? I mean seriously, that's what dive computers are for. Even simple diving without a computer, I care more about my gauges than I do a watch.
no serious diver relies on tech as the sole device for time on the bottom etc., back up is key. I personally use my watch when at depth but I also figure know my time at depth (give or take a band of 15ft) prior to hitting the water. I never rely on anything one tool to be honest.
I guess if diving in bahamas or the like on vacation I can see that but you do a night dive on a wreck in the Atlantic etc, no way do I take one is one approach.
just me, then again I had a near death experience diving so I take it seriously. You are not king of the hill below the surface lol
I'm a "N" of 1, so take it for what it's worth. If I am diving shallow, I do rely on my watch. I do not use a computer. Deeper than say 30', then the watch is the 3rd string back up. Second is the dive computer. First is my trusty plastic dive table card.
When I started diving we did not have computers, so even now they are more back-up than first line
I'm a "N" of 1, so take it for what it's worth. If I am diving shallow, I do rely on my watch. I do not use a computer. Deeper than say 30', then the watch is the 3rd string back up. Second is the dive computer. First is my trusty plastic dive table card.
When I started diving we did not have computers, so even now they are more back-up than first line
agree, I do the tables prior to hitting water. I don't like to rely on tech and when I started, same thing in that no computers.
I'm a "N" of 1, so take it for what it's worth. If I am diving shallow, I do rely on my watch. I do not use a computer. Deeper than say 30', then the watch is the 3rd string back up. Second is the dive computer. First is my trusty plastic dive table card.
When I started diving we did not have computers, so even now they are more back-up than first line
agree, I do the tables prior to hitting water. I don't like to rely on tech and when I started, same thing in that no computers.
Yup. Plan the dive, dive the plan. I've just never found myself using a "dive bezel" or giving a crap about it being a dive watch.
Yup. Plan the dive, dive the plan. I've just never found myself using a "dive bezel" or giving a crap about it being a dive watch.
Yeah, the only time I would use the bezel, and I would, growing shower dives under 30 ft when I would often use like a spare air type of bottle and would not be down super long. But that's it.
I never gave much importance to the depth on a dive watch, by the time you reached that depth your dead anyway. But they're easy to see and they don't have a lot of doodads usually, so I guess that's why they're still so popular for diving.
We also just use the Casio G-Shock. Doesn't have the fancy rotating bezel, but it's damned near and destructible and it's fine for one atmosphere.
Averageman
02-01-22, 13:58
My Dad was a Military trained diver, then went to civilian school to learn deep sea diving, welding and salvage in California. You know the kind with the old giant brass helmet.
I remember the gear in the basement, giant lead shoes and a huge knife that was screwed into a brass sheath.
I'm not sure what the old man was doing, but...never had a fancy watch as far as I know.
I mean he wore a watch, but never a dive watch.
BangBang77
02-01-22, 14:08
I'm a big fan of the Marathon GSAR. I bought mine from County Comm in 2012 or 2013 for $400 and threw it on a Maratac NATO strap. A few years later, I added the Marathon stainless bracelet. The tritium lume isn't as bright as it was when new, but it's still functional in low/no light scenarios.
It's been worn on hundreds of swiftwater rescues, body recoveries, dives, climbing trips, SAR classes, hunting trips, and in/out of nations all over the world. Occasionally, I have to hit it with a scotchbrite pad to freshen the surface finish up on the bracelet. It gains a few seconds per month so a trip to Marathon to get regulated may be helpful but it's not enough to bother me. I change time zones frequently while traveling for work so it gets reset multiple times per month. Other than that, no maintenance or repairs of any kind. It has been 100% bulletproof. Although I've never owned an Omega Seamaster or Rolex Submariner to compare it to, it may be outclassed in terms of looks by both of those models, but there is no way either are more capable or "tougher". I've always wanted a Submariner, but after wearing the GSAR for ~10 years, if I ever have to replace it, I will grab another identical model. Or maybe step up to the new Black Anthracite version.
I'm not sure what the current MSRP on the stainless GSAR is, but I would assume it is higher than $400 in today's market.
You can't go wrong with the Seiko 007/009 models recommended above. I gave less than $200 for mine and it is still rock solid, albeit it just sits in my safe on an automatic watch winder.
these days apple watch and never thought I would say it best watch I ever had for daily life !! and will get another one in a few years !!!! but I know Steyr would not like that reckon he wants a great classic style analog
for actual diving never used my dive watch as a dive watch setting bezel etc.. just a time piece and have over 15,000 dives :) sometimes ya cant wear them like in a dry suit etc..
for diving the only watches that worked/lasted were my citizen and my timex others failed like TAG always ended up leaking or fogging up and being destroyed was so bummed as I loved them but lost faith in them for anything tough ?
my buddy had a old school seiko like that one in the pic he never had issues :)
Timex already off his list but my reasons were they lasted a few thousand dives before they were to scratched to read or lost nice to loose something cheap but they never ever failed !
my Suunto dive computers were bomb proof got a Suunto watch and failed in a year sadly but I loved that thing !
I never would dive with anything over $500 so no real world experience with higher end other than as jewelry
that said to me the look of a dive watch with classic bezel would be buy what ya like the looks of :) again real world my vote citizen first Seiko second but sure many others mentioned by users are also great like above used in rescue etc. so not discounting those to be clear :) hahahahahaha
my citizen sits in a drawer ! its over 30 years old I need to get it cleaned and battery replaced as I never use it but it is the only watch that lasted that long so yeah a citizen fan for the price
omega my wife has is a piece of jewelry from her dad same as Rolex nice to have but do not care anymore about that kinda thing myself so never spent more than a few hundred !
also a watch guy said at that point of rolex you might as well get into the real collectibles but they are as much or more than most cars :)
My Dad was a Military trained diver, then went to civilian school to learn deep sea diving, welding and salvage in California. You know the kind with the old giant brass helmet.
I remember the gear in the basement, giant lead shoes and a huge knife that was screwed into a brass sheath.
I'm not sure what the old man was doing, but...never had a fancy watch as far as I know.
I mean he wore a watch, but never a dive watch.
A buddy of mine, also a nurse now, was a Navy diving officer, a real diver, the hard hat serious going down a million feet diver. He also of course scuba dives recreationally. He has a big ass watch, but I don't know what kind. I asked him if you wore that in the service he said no. I should ask him what he wore.
I went to the combat diver course. We did not do anything really deep, and I used my G-Shock for just about everything.
SilverBullet432
02-01-22, 15:58
Plenty of good offerings from Seiko. I’d pass on the SKX though, it has a really outdated movement. I’d look into the Turtle if you’re into cushion cases. There’s also plenty of Micro brands in the $400 range. Too many to list though.
I had never heard of Vaer until this thread, looked at the site. There's some pretty good options for the whole range of prices. 150 bucks? You got it. A thousand bucks? You got it.
Yeah, the only time I would use the bezel, and I would, growing shower dives under 30 ft when I would often use like a spare air type of bottle and would not be down super long. But that's it.
I never gave much importance to the depth on a dive watch, by the time you reached that depth your dead anyway. But they're easy to see and they don't have a lot of doodads usually, so I guess that's why they're still so popular for diving.
We also just use the Casio G-Shock. Doesn't have the fancy rotating bezel, but it's damned near and destructible and it's fine for one atmosphere.
I use the rotating bezel to keep my daily appointments on track.
eightmillimeter
02-01-22, 21:05
I had never heard of Vaer until this thread, looked at the site. There's some pretty good options for the whole range of prices. 150 bucks? You got it. A thousand bucks? You got it.
Literally thought the same thing. I’ll be picking up a quartz field watch
I had never heard of Vaer until this thread, looked at the site. There's some pretty good options for the whole range of prices. 150 bucks? You got it. A thousand bucks? You got it.
Damn, Vaer should give me a commission for advertising their watch. Since I'm a watch nut and member of a watch forum, I tried a couple but one fizzled out, I guess facebook algorithm figured out my interest and bombarded me with ads from all kind of watch manufacturers sites. Many I just dismiss without looking, some I click on once to see what it's about and I clicked on Vaer. They look nice but like a thousand of other microbrand, I've never heard of them. I asked the people at watchuseek and got some interesting feedback. Like all manmade things, one or two flaws have popped up, but a majority of the feedbacks are very positive. My interest in them is their simple looking 36mm "field" watches. I'm torn between the maintenance free automatic at $500 and the dirt cheap quartz. I have so many dive style watches, I want to branch out to a simple non diver.
Oh I dive all right, my dive watches have proofs that I dive, they have scratches all over from my desk diving. I just like the look and their toughness. I use the bezel all the time when I grill steaks, chops and chickens. I loathe the evil rotten apple watch or any of their other products. A thing that can receive emails, texts, tell time, is just that, a thing that email/text/that happens to have time feature on it, it's not a watch. I don't mind the imperfection in the mechanical watch, I've never been late to dinner because my Rolex was 5 seconds slow, or miss my flight because my Omega was 5 minutes fast. I did get a hold of a defective used Omega watch once, it went back to the store for a full refund (that major dealer was very good to deal with), which I put toward a new Omega.
For people that like mechanical guns (AR, glock, 1911, Sig, Beretta, etc.) and like to tinker with them, why would this same person not like or appreciate a mechanical timing device that dates back to the 15th or 16th century.
Anyway, Vaer, if you read this, send me my royalty check now, or a free field watch :)
Johnny Rico
02-01-22, 23:03
Wifey bought me a Seiko Samurai last birthday. I like that the Samurai has its crown at 3 o'clock, instead of 4 o'clock like most Seiko divers. I found the diver's extension on the factory bracelet irritating, so I changed it out for a Strapcode Hexad.
I fully wind the watch on the 1st of the month, and by the end it has lost a couple of minutes. That comes out to a mean daily rate of approximately -5 seconds/day. Not bad for an actual tool watch.
Here are a couple of pics. Sorry for the poor quality, I just took them under artificial light.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51857682249_91c883c365_c.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51857352836_a98b0f0593_c.jpg
Damn, Vaer should give me a commission for advertising their watch.
I gave them a long look, but the whole solar quartz thing just seemed gimmicky and prone to fail. I learned long ago that automatics are my friend.
Wifey bought me a Seiko Samurai last birthday. I like that the Samurai has its crown at 3 o'clock, instead of 4 o'clock like most Seiko divers. I found the diver's extension on the factory bracelet irritating, so I changed it out for a Strapcode Hexad.
I fully wind the watch on the 1st of the month, and by the end it has lost a couple of minutes. That comes out to a mean daily rate of approximately -5 seconds/day. Not bad for an actual tool watch.
Here are a couple of pics. Sorry for the poor quality, I just took them under artificial light.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51857682249_91c883c365_c.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51857352836_a98b0f0593_c.jpg
I was THIS close. It's the only other Seiko I considered. But the retro of the 007/009 spoke to me. Also, and this is stupid, I didn't like the hands of the watch.
But it least it was basic, those Citizen watches people were recommending looked like a Mensa test Olympic Stopwatch.
I never would dive with anything over $500 so no real world experience with higher end other than as jewelry
Back around 1979 my Dad was diving with a couple of his buddies, all doctors, and one of them had a gold Day-Date Presidential slip off his wrist and got lost in the sand. They looked for that thing until they had about 5 minutes left on the tanks and never did find it. You know that had to hurt.
omega my wife has is a piece of jewelry from her dad same as Rolex nice to have but do not care anymore about that kinda thing myself so never spent more than a few hundred !
also a watch guy said at that point of rolex you might as well get into the real collectibles but they are as much or more than most cars :)
My Dad always had a SS submariner on his wrist (red letter for the watch geeks) and I loved the looks of classic Rolex watches. I've even had a couple, one I had to sell and one I eventually killed, paid to rebuild and sold. I was thinking my next watch was gonna be an Omega Speedmaster because it really is a superior movement but also because I thought they were a bit more bulletproof, that is until my buddy managed to kill his doing the same kind of stuff I always do with mine.
I still really want a classic GMT one day, but it won't be my daily watch, I just want to own ONE classic Rolex and I don't think I'm gonna pop for a gold Day-Date. GMT with an Oyster bracelet will check all my wants and needs boxes without making me sell a squirt gun.
Johnny Rico
02-02-22, 07:12
I would love an old-school field watch, but eff me, not at those prices.
Seiko released a new line of field watches last year, the SRPG series. Street price is ~ $200. It is available in different dial colors.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51681079207_36b392d9c1_c.jpg
P2Vaircrewman
02-02-22, 09:13
A guy next to me winching his boat on the trailer had the winch handle slip out of his hand and comeback on his wrist and Rolex president. It probably saved him from a broken wrist but the Rolex was toast.
Johnny Rico
02-02-22, 09:17
I was THIS close. It's the only other Seiko I considered. But the retro of the 007/009 spoke to me. Also, and this is stupid, I didn't like the hands of the watch.
But it least it was basic, those Citizen watches people were recommending looked like a Mensa test Olympic Stopwatch.
I understand. I didn't much like the hands at first either, but I realize now I don't pay much attention to them. They do look cool when the hands are aligned, kind of like a rocket ship.
You are incredibly decisive, you only started this thread two days ago.
One thing to keep in mind about the SKX007 in case you aren't aware, it uses the 7S26 movement, which is non-hacking.
Averageman
02-02-22, 09:27
I had a nice, but not inexpensive watch when I was in Baghdad.
I'm not sure why but that damned thing always smelled funky and eventually got humidity behind the dial. I remember having my first "Day Off" and I brought my wrist up close to my nose and about passed out.
I had a nice, but not inexpensive watch when I was in Baghdad.
I'm not sure why but that damned thing always smelled funky and eventually got humidity behind the dial. I remember having my first "Day Off" and I brought my wrist up close to my nose and about passed out.
Did you ever clean your watch? What kind of strap or bracelet was it? leather, canvas, nylon do smell when they soak up sweat and other bodily fluid. You can't clean leather but you certainly can rinse out nylon or maybe canvas strap. I saw a thread the other day on watchuseek, can't find it now, about a guy that bought a used high end watch with metal bracelet. When it arrived it stank. He rinsed it, dried it and it still stank. So he took the bracelet off and found crud that looked like ebola culture INSIDE the end links.
Averageman
02-02-22, 12:04
Did you ever clean your watch?
I certainly soon began
When it arrived it stank. He rinsed it, dried it and it still stank. So he took the bracelet off and found crud that looked like ebola culture INSIDE the end links.
Yup that was pretty much it.
Adrenaline_6
02-02-22, 13:14
I soak my metal band in peroxide or bleach every so often to kill any bacteria getting in the nooks and crannies. Otherwise, when it gets wet, and sniff it, you will smell the funk.
So for those with a 007/009/173 or turtle, who is the preferred vendor for a tune-up or necessary maintenance? I've used the Seiko service center. Is there anyone else?
Never kept my 007 long enough to need service LOL. Sold it after a couple of years and got an SKX 013. I liked the 013's smaller size. The 007/9 are 42mm which feels heavy and clownishly large on my wrist.
For service on a 50 year old heirloom, I sent it to the Seiko service center in NJ. They revived it, polished the crystal as best as they could and got it working again. I think it took about 3 weeks counting the shipping to and from.
https://www.watchuseek.com/attachments/img_20200302_214456521-jpg.14919541/
I soak my metal band in peroxide or bleach every so often to kill any bacteria getting in the nooks and crannies. Otherwise, when it gets wet, and sniff it, you will smell the funk.
Isopropyl alcohol in a bowl, and a toothbrush for me.
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So for those with a 007/009/173 or turtle, who is the preferred vendor for a tune-up or necessary maintenance? I've used the Seiko service center. Is there anyone else?
Just received an email from Island Watch. They sell a lot of the Seiko dive watches. They recommended this facility.
http://jjwatchrepair.com
Never kept my 007 long enough to need service LOL. Sold it after a couple of years and got an SKX 013. I liked the 013's smaller size. The 007/9 are 42mm which feels heavy and clownishly large on my wrist.
For service on a 50 year old heirloom, I sent it to the Seiko service center in NJ. They revived it, polished the crystal as best as they could and got it working again. I think it took about 3 weeks counting the shipping to and from.
https://www.watchuseek.com/attachments/img_20200302_214456521-jpg.14919541/
I've had my SKX 013 for about four years now. Paid $215 for it through Island Watch. Since they've gone out of production, the prices have gone ballistic, $700-$1000 !!! The 38mm case fits my 6.5" wrist just fine. Paired it with a NATO strap to keep the weight down. The 013 was one heck of a solid time piece for the money back then.
Averageman
02-02-22, 17:32
I soak my metal band in peroxide or bleach every so often to kill any bacteria getting in the nooks and crannies. Otherwise, when it gets wet, and sniff it, you will smell the funk.
Like five pounds of toe cheese.
A guy next to me winching his boat on the trailer had the winch handle slip out of his hand and comeback on his wrist and Rolex president. It probably saved him from a broken wrist but the Rolex was toast.
You know it still hurt a LOT. That was one thing that dismayed me about Rolex is how durable their dress watches were not. The sport models hold up better but are still a long way from bullet proof.
You are incredibly decisive, you only started this thread two days ago.
One thing to keep in mind about the SKX007 in case you aren't aware, it uses the 7S26 movement, which is non-hacking.
There seems to be a strong consensus of opinion regarding a handful of watches that kept getting recommended so it was simply a matter of picking one.
I'm actually after a 009 model, not sure if it's one where the second hand stops or not but my days of "everyone synchronize watches" are probably well behind me. I sorta wish the Seiko had a cyclops over the date but that's about it. Once I update it to a better bracelet I should be good to go.
The 4 o'clock crown will probably take some getting used to but won't be as bad as every time I accidentally press a function button on my GED Shock and have to spend 18 minutes getting it back to the time setting.
I'm actually after a 009 model
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2322090.m570.l1313&_nkw=seiko+skx009&_sacat=0
If you're willing to order from overseas, there's a number them, NOS, on rubber strap. I know you said you don't like buckle type strap closures, but you could order the watch and the upgrade bracelet at the same time. The bracelet would likely be waiting for the watch to arrive.
Like a number of others here, I recommend the skx007/009 watches. They're bulletproof and can take a beating. This opinion is not only based on having had one in the past, but observation of others owning them. I'm also a watch nerd that graduated from watchmaking school and can honestly say it's a well made watch for the price.
Johnny Rico
02-02-22, 19:53
If you're going to upgrade the bracelet, order the cheapest NOS SKX009 you can find.
If you're going to upgrade the bracelet, order the cheapest NOS SKX009 you can find.
Sam already hooked me up with a source $299 NOS. If I really like it, I'll probably grab a second of the same in the next 6 months.
So just pulled the trigger on a SKX009K1 and saved enough money getting a NOS one that I bought a 2 year site sponsor membership.
nice classic looks on that seiko did a quick search :)
I decided to look up my citizen turns out its a rare model A few on ebay for $900 :) ohhhh what to do I have to get a new battery :) keep it or sell it hmmmmmmm
So just pulled the trigger on a SKX009K1 and saved enough money getting a NOS one that I bought a 2 year site sponsor membership.
Perfect! Love the little bit of color on those Vs the 007.
So just pulled the trigger on a SKX009K1 and saved enough money getting a NOS one that I bought a 2 year site sponsor membership.
Don't forget to post pictures of the new watch and the super oyster bracelet. :)
So just pulled the trigger on a SKX009K1 and saved enough money getting a NOS one that I bought a 2 year site sponsor membership.
Welcome to the Seiko SKX Club! Awesome price for that 009. The SKX Series has the automatic 7S26 movement. The second hand doesn't stop when you pull out the crown to set the time. I believe that the movements that do stop the second hand is called "Hacking". The 7S26 movement is not the most accurate but it's a solid, reliable movement. Kind of like the Colt 6920! Here's a couple of sources for clasp type bands if you're interested in upgrading.
https://longislandwatch.com/shop/?search=strapcode
https://www.strapcode.com/collections/seiko-skx
TheAlsatian
02-03-22, 07:39
I'm glad you found a watch S/A. I must say you guys are hard on your watches! I've worn the same Tudor Submariner with a few exceptions since 1985. It has a few scratches but I've worn it working cows on my Montana ranch, overseas crap holes, etc. I did recently acquire a Doxa 300t just for the history of it, but I rarely wear it. Seiko is a good watch though. I still have my dad's that he purchased in Vietnam in 1966.
Welcome to the Seiko SKX Club! Awesome price for that 009. The SKX Series has the automatic 7S26 movement. The second hand doesn't stop when you pull out the crown to set the time. I believe that the movements that do stop the second hand is called "Hacking". The 7S26 movement is not the most accurate but it's a solid, reliable movement. Kind of like the Colt 6920! Here's a couple of sources for clasp type bands if you're interested in upgrading.
https://longislandwatch.com/shop/?search=strapcode
https://www.strapcode.com/collections/seiko-skx
I sent him the link to strapcode. He should be able to choose a bracelet to his liking.
Congrats on the classic. We've had ours for years and love it. Seiko is awesome. They have everything. What ever you do, do NOT look at Grand Seiko.
I'm with you on the Samurai. I just can't get myself wrapped around those sword hands. My ONLY complaint about the 009 is the date... Autos wind down and the date setting is a PITA. Add that I'm getting old and it's hard to see.
I do not want to splurge in a Rolex Sub no date, and so far, I've yet to find a reasonably sized/priced no date stainless steel bracelet diver... Everything I find is either too big and/or too expensive for a "beater" tool watch. I have a Rolex GMT II "Batman", but I wear it flying the jet. It does not go to the range.
I'm looking at that Vaer solar... I just don't like the off color hands.
Johnny Rico
02-03-22, 10:29
I sent him the link to strapcode. He should be able to choose a bracelet to his liking.
The great thing about the Strap Code bracelets is that they have offerings that were designed to specifically fit Seiko models. The Hexad looks almost like it's OEM, other than the lack of Seiko branding.
I'm with you on the Samurai. I just can't get myself wrapped around those sword hands.
I'm telling you guys, it's a rocket...lol.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51860634645_5986152271_c.jpg
Anyone else notice analog wristwatches getting thin on the ground? Seems most people these days prefer pocketwatches (i.e., phones) or Dick Tracy watches.
Congrats on the classic. We've had ours for years and love it. Seiko is awesome. They have everything. What ever you do, do NOT look at Grand Seiko.
I'm with you on the Samurai. I just can't get myself wrapped around those sword hands. My ONLY complaint about the 009 is the date... Autos wind down and the date setting is a PITA. Add that I'm getting old and it's hard to see.
I do not want to splurge in a Rolex Sub no date, and so far, I've yet to find a reasonably sized/priced no date stainless steel bracelet diver... Everything I find is either too big and/or too expensive for a "beater" tool watch. I have a Rolex GMT II "Batman", but I wear it flying the jet. It does not go to the range.
I'm looking at that Vaer solar... I just don't like the off color hands.
I don't like watches with day + date, date is enough. Would love to have a Sub/no date but that sucker is over $10K on the used market. 40mm is the sweet spot for me. For a knock around, don't care of you smash it, homage to the Rolex or similar divers, the Steinhart Ocean One series are great. Most could be had for $400 used. They come in 42mm and reduced size at 39mm. This was my 39mm, bought it used but it looked brand new. I miss that watch, wish I'd kept it. (Posted the wrong picture this morning)
https://i.imgur.com/gcJJmvs.jpg
One day I'll get a Vaer, probably the 36mm field watch, not the diver.
I had the Prospex line SPB 051, almost 43mm, it was too big for me even though I really love the look, even with the sword hands. I never kept the bracelet on, I quickly took it off and put it on a NATO. The picture below was taken the day I received the watch.
https://i.imgur.com/DGnwOfY.jpg
When Seiko released the SPB 143/145/147/149 series at 40mm, I sold the 43mm and got it. Love it much better.
https://i.imgur.com/m1ZN2k3.jpg
My GMT Master is 30 years old and I only wear it occasionally. Certainly not shooting with it, although I did back when I first got it. I replaced the pepsi bezel with a black bezel about 15 years ago. Bought that watch when you could just walk into a dealer and pick one out of a half dozen models. It "only" cost less than a month pay. Now you have to put your name down at a dealer and pay almost $10K for one, certainly not a month pay for us normal people. Used GMT cost more than MSRP.
https://i.imgur.com/VkLuJSM.jpg
I hear you Sam. It's getting to the point where I'm scare to wear my Batman with the oyster bracelet. I got one of the first made and we paid less than 10K for it. If I tried hard, I could sell it right now for well over 15K. Of course, adjusted for inflation that is about a wash.
Johnny, if that Seiko Samurai was less than 43mm I'd consider it. The sword hands AND a case pushing up against 44mm makes it a tough sell to me.
Johnny Rico
02-03-22, 18:11
Johnny, if that Seiko Samurai was less than 43mm I'd consider it. The sword hands AND a case pushing up against 44mm makes it a tough sell to me.
I absolutely understand. It's a big, heavy brute. That's one of the reasons I like it. Kind of reminds me of a 1911 that way.
That being said, I have a Seiko field watch with a 39.4mm case for those times I want something smaller.
Try the Maratac watches from County Comm. I have the titanium field watch and I love it.
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I have one if OP wants to buy, not sure if it's 50m or 100m water resistant though.
The great thing about the Strap Code bracelets is that they have offerings that were designed to specifically fit Seiko models. The Hexad looks almost like it's OEM, other than the lack of Seiko branding.
I'm telling you guys, it's a rocket...lol.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51860634645_5986152271_c.jpg
Anyone else notice analog wristwatches getting thin on the ground? Seems most people these days prefer pocketwatches (i.e., phones) or Dick Tracy watches.
I also don't like the knurled crown and while we are at it, I hate the stick indicators or whatever you call them. But I agree with you on BIG and CLUNKY watch, I need something that feels like it's actually on my wrist. If I'm not aware of it being there, it is sacrificial.
I think one of the Luminox's I deep sixed was when I was shooting and dropped to a left side prone and my supporting hand hit the ground and the watch found a rock and that was the end of that Lumy. If I was more aware of it being there, I'd have protected it more.
Johnny Rico
02-03-22, 21:17
I also don't like the knurled crown and while we are at it, I hate the stick indicators or whatever you call them. But I agree with you on BIG and CLUNKY watch, I need something that feels like it's actually on my wrist. If I'm not aware of it being there, it is sacrificial.
Lol...you definitely made the right choice then.
Before you drop the coin for another SKX009, do me a favor and take a look at the Seiko Turtle. It has a retro look, almost like the Seiko Willard from Apocalypse Now. The hands used are similar to the SKX007/009. And if you get the King Turtle version, you'll get a ceramic bezel and cyclops.
There are lots of fans of the Turtle. But I don't get it ???? The big turtle shell case just ain't right.
Johnny Rico
02-03-22, 21:35
There are lots of fans of the Turtle. But I don't get it ???? The big turtle shell case just ain't right.
Me neither. But "an ass for every seat" and all that.
Lol...you definitely made the right choice then.
Before you drop the coin for another SKX009, do me a favor and take a look at the Seiko Turtle. It has a retro look, almost like the Seiko Willard from Apocalypse Now. The hands used are similar to the SKX007/009. And if you get the King Turtle version, you'll get a ceramic bezel and cyclops.
I hate that the case has a dramatically larger diameter than the bezel.
There are lots of fans of the Turtle. But I don't get it ???? The big turtle shell case just ain't right.
LOL, I just caught on to the fact that the case is in the shape of a turtle shell. Yeah, not for me. But love that GMT you posted. One day it will be a dress watch for me, oyster bracelet and coke bezel.
My GMT Master is 30 years old and I only wear it occasionally. Certainly not shooting with it, although I did back when I first got it. I replaced the pepsi bezel with a black bezel about 15 years ago. Bought that watch when you could just walk into a dealer and pick one out of a half dozen models. It "only" cost less than a month pay. Now you have to put your name down at a dealer and pay almost $10K for one, certainly not a month pay for us normal people. Used GMT cost more than MSRP.
So how many know the story of Rolex and the Great Escape?
https://montrespubliques.com/new-long-reads/rolex-pows-and-the-great-escape
That was one hell of a layaway plan Rolex had back in the day.
Johnny Rico
02-03-22, 23:03
That was a long time ago, when Rolex's pricing reflected their tool watch origins.
Hard to believe it's been 80 years since WWII.
That was a long time ago, when Rolex's pricing reflected their tool watch origins.
Hard to believe it's been 80 years since WWII.
Even so, still pretty cool that a Swiss watch company would ship one to you on credit while you were still a POW. Even more interesting that Germany would permit it.
Christ in some ways we were more civil to each other while at war than people in this country are to each other based upon how they vote.
So how many know the story of Rolex and the Great Escape?
https://montrespubliques.com/new-long-reads/rolex-pows-and-the-great-escape
That was one hell of a layaway plan Rolex had back in the day.
I've heard of the POW layaway plan but don't remember the connection with the Great Escape.
Maybe in 30 years or so the next generation will read about "The Great Rolex Disappearing Caper of 2017 - 20??".
Christ in some ways we were more civil to each other while at war than people in this country are to each other based upon how they vote.
Those were declared war between nations.
Johnny Rico
02-04-22, 12:43
Steyr,
OT. I know your avatar is Peter Gibbons from Office Space, but I can't help but see Lewis Nixon.
Daily "what are you wearing" in the Seiko subforum at WUS:
https://www.watchuseek.com/threads/wruw-friday-4-feb-22.5377960/
BangBang77
02-04-22, 14:04
Steyr,
OT. I know your avatar is Peter Gibbons from Office Space, but I can't help but see Lewis Nixon.
I too see Nixon every time I see his face, no matter what character he is playing. Especially the scene where he wakes up after a long night of drinking and jumps in the lake fully dressed.
Those were declared war between nations.
Should be more to my point. I guess what I'm saying is it's really sad that Antifa and BLM can't treat people they disagree with as well as the actual nazi's treated their prisoners of war.
Steyr,
OT. I know your avatar is Peter Gibbons from Office Space, but I can't help but see Lewis Nixon.
Nothing wrong with that. Easily his two most significant roles. Also BoB was so brilliantly cast it's scary.
So watch arrived today, ordered bracelet from strapcode because I like the watch.
Kinda wish it wasn't a day/date and just a date because I can't read it that well anyway. Getting it setup was kinda a pain but NOTHING like trying to program a G shock. Seriously G shocks are so bad I don't even change them for daylights savings, I just mentally subtract an hour. Add in the fact that the backlight sucks and it just had to go.
I will eventually catch on to the whole turn the crown this way for date and the opposite way for day. The non hack second hand doesn't bother me. Nice to have an automatic on my wrist again.
Will get pics up later.
So watch arrived today, ordered bracelet from strapcode because I like the watch.
Kinda wish it wasn't a day/date and just a date because I can't read it that well anyway. Getting it setup was kinda a pain but NOTHING like trying to program a G shock. Seriously G shocks are so bad I don't even change them for daylights savings, I just mentally subtract an hour. Add in the fact that the backlight sucks and it just had to go.
I will eventually catch on to the whole turn the crown this way for date and the opposite way for day. The non hack second hand doesn't bother me. Nice to have an automatic on my wrist again.
Will get pics up later.
could be like me move from Hawaii no daylight savings to AZ again no daylight savings and just be confused about what time it is everywhere else cause you are not used to it :)
have a G shock with no band as it broke and no desire to replace the band and might try to sell give away as to big and as you say to much hassle and its not that I cant do it they made it to complicated and not a good design of how to do things IMHO :)
So watch arrived today, ordered bracelet from strapcode because I like the watch.
Kinda wish it wasn't a day/date and just a date because I can't read it that well anyway. Getting it setup was kinda a pain but NOTHING like trying to program a G shock. Seriously G shocks are so bad I don't even change them for daylights savings, I just mentally subtract an hour. Add in the fact that the backlight sucks and it just had to go.
I will eventually catch on to the whole turn the crown this way for date and the opposite way for day. The non hack second hand doesn't bother me. Nice to have an automatic on my wrist again.
Will get pics up later.
Glad you received your watch, that didn't take long. It put to rest the rumor that those SKX 009 are no longer available :)
I liked my 007 but let it go due to 3 things, size (42mm) was a little big for my wrist, the double level checkering on the side of the the bezel (purely cosmetic but it makes the watch look thick) and the day/date deal. Don't get me wrong, it's a solid watch that will last decades. It was my first venture back into Seiko after years away from it. But after owning several Seiko autos and quartz, different sizes, etc. I now settle on 40mm, coin bezel edge, NATO and sailcloth straps, drilled lugs.
I recently bought my wife her first automatic watch (Seiko), it has the day/date feature. She's never had that feature to deal with before and hasn't gotten the hang of setting it whenever she switches watch. She can do it but it requires thinking, she doesn't like to think, lol. So I get to set it for her.
I'm infamous for not setting the date, too lazy. I switch watches every few days and whatever I pick up doesn't have the right date. I don't care, I just wear it with the wrong date. Don't get me started on the digital watches that have half a dozen buttons with multiple features. I don't get the backlight on them either, never bright enough.
Can't wait to see the picture of your watch and the new oyster bracelet. Congratulations.
Glad you received your watch, that didn't take long. It put to rest the rumor that those SKX 009 are no longer available :)
I liked my 007 but let it go due to 3 things, size (42mm) was a little big for my wrist,
Isn't the 009 also 42mm?
Yes, other than the bezel color (007 - black, 009 - pepsi).
Sounds like I found my watch.
Where is the best place to buy a NEW 007/009? Obviously not Amazon and I don't want to wade through the rebuilds on EB.
The Seiko SKX009K2 looks like what I'm most interested in.
Where did you purchase your watch and why not Amazon?
Where did you purchase your watch and why not Amazon?
Creationwatches.com in Singapore. Couple hundred dollars cheaper than Amazon.
Johnny Rico
02-10-22, 17:56
Plus, Amazon has a huge problem with fakes. Estimates are that as much as 1/3 of the products sold there are counterfeit.
Plus, Amazon has a huge problem with fakes. Estimates are that as much as 1/3 of the products sold there are counterfeit.
Yep, seen a LOT of China Knockoffs over the years. Fake Benchmade knives, fake Knights accessories and all at full retail.
Creationwatches.com in Singapore. Couple hundred dollars cheaper than Amazon.
Thats what I figured.
I got the same one from Amazon back in 2016. The price has doubled since then.
Thats what I figured.
I got the same one from Amazon back in 2016. The price has doubled since then.
If something is still in production and you have a way of verifying authenticity, Amazon is fine. But as soon as something is NOS and in demand, it's not gonna be the best price in town.
Creationwatches.com in Singapore. Couple hundred dollars cheaper than Amazon.
How is the website and service? I have my eye on this watch..
ORIENT
Ray Raven II Automatic Black Dial Men's Watch FAA02003B9
How is the website and service? I have my eye on this watch..
ORIENT
Ray Raven II Automatic Black Dial Men's Watch FAA02003B9
I'm not AUG but I've bought from Creation before a couple of times, not recently, maybe over 10 years ago. They shipped quickly and the watches were as advertised.
As for Orient watches, I had a used Mako any years ago, paid around $80 (again, used). I ran fine, kept good time, as good as watches costing 10 - 20 times more. I got tired of it and sold it to a friend. He's still wearing it today.
How is the website and service? I have my eye on this watch..
ORIENT
Ray Raven II Automatic Black Dial Men's Watch FAA02003B9
I have zero complaints. Order shipped next day, FedEx had it to me in four business days.
How is the website and service? I have my eye on this watch..
ORIENT
Ray Raven II Automatic Black Dial Men's Watch FAA02003B9
I wear my Orient Mako every day, it has been thru absolute hell, and hasn’t missed a beat. I’ve worn it doing construction, shooting, surfing, climbing, and snowboarding. It was on my wrist when I laid a Vespa down and broke that collar bone…you get the idea.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220211/ca5884354f1dcc72de346c6721ae2489.jpg
I have worked the band off by bending the spring bar, but that’s on me - I wear the band too loose.
It also doesn’t have the sapphire, and you can see I chipped the crystal (I think a took a header on a skateboard?). Been thinking about upgrading/replacing it with a sapphire for $60, or just getting the newer model, but part of me wants to see how long it’ll keep going.
It’s not an heirloom, but it is a damn good watch for the money.
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Thanks Guys!
Ordered it today.
Got my stainless bracelet installed today. Came out very nice. Actually locks up a bit more positive than my old Rolex sub. The push button release on the sides are pretty nice. A couple times I managed to shake that triple lock bracelet loose on my wrist and dropped my sub.
Like the looks, like the weight.
https://i.imgur.com/rY703BU.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/1L7IC7E.jpg
All in all I think it's exactly what I needed.
https://i.imgur.com/1L7IC7E.jpg
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Well played sir. Congratulations.
Got my stainless bracelet installed today. Came out very nice. Actually locks up a bit more positive than my old Rolex sub. The push button release on the sides are pretty nice. A couple times I managed to shake that triple lock bracelet loose on my wrist and dropped my sub.
Like the looks, like the weight.
https://i.imgur.com/rY703BU.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/1L7IC7E.jpg
All in all I think it's exactly what I needed.
How do you like the trigger pull on that PPK?
Mine is so heavy it hurts my wrist and maxes out my trigger pull gauge.
Love the pistol, hate the DA trigger.
Normally I would have just defaulted to Seiko in the $, but there's so many good micro brands out there now offering great stuff, I'd say look at a micro brand like Spinnaker. Can get for well below that retail and you will not break that thing:
https://www.spinnaker-watches.com/collections/piccard
How do you like the trigger pull on that PPK?
Mine is so heavy it hurts my wrist and maxes out my trigger pull gauge.
Love the pistol, hate the DA trigger.
Grew up on security sixes and P-38s so the PPK is a day in the park. Obviously that means when I shoot something like a P7 I have magical abilities but I only own one gun with a "bad" trigger (HK VP70) and one gun that I have yet to master (all my Glocks, still not used to that trigger break).
Put a Ruger SP101 in your rotation and you will be able to shoot a PPK like a dream.
Grew up on security sixes and P-38s so the PPK is a day in the park. Obviously that means when I shoot something like a P7 I have magical abilities but I only own one gun with a "bad" trigger (HK VP70) and one gun that I have yet to master (all my Glocks, still not used to that trigger break).
Put a Ruger SP101 in your rotation and you will be able to shoot a PPK like a dream.
You made me walk down to my safe and pull out my Ruger.
It’s a GP100, not an SP101 and the pull is nearly Smith like double action.
Was thinking it was an SP at first but I was mistaken.
PPK still holds the title in my safe!
I don’t own a VP70, which is worse, VP70 or SP101?
You made me walk down to my safe and pull out my Ruger.
It’s a GP100, not an SP101 and the pull is nearly Smith like double action.
Was thinking it was an SP at first but I was mistaken.
PPK still holds the title in my safe!
I don’t own a VP70, which is worse, VP70 or SP101?
VP70 is the worst trigger you can imagine. In fairness it was designed to control the 3 shot burst option available on the VP70M, but the semi was probably the worst trigger pull in the history of firearms.
My security six was my second handgun, got it when I was 10 years old, and I learned to fire it double action only.
https://i.imgur.com/5yxMXwx.jpg
I'll play.
67338
I'll play.
Manurhin 380?
Manurhin 380?
Nope, look again :)
Last night I posted from my phone and could only attached a tiny picture.
https://i.imgur.com/rY703BU.jpg
All in all I think it's exactly what I needed.
Nice! You did well. That should outlive you if you take care of it.
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Nope, look again :)
Last night I posted from my phone and could only attached a tiny picture.
So I'm asking because I see "Under License Of" and a I know a lot of Walthers were made in France because of some stupid German law. I've got a German made PP, but it's a 7.65mm / .32 ACP. Wish I had a PPK in .380, how snappy is that one?
Y’all inspired me.........
https://hkguns.zenfolio.com/img/s/v-10/p825454790-5.jpg
So I'm asking because I see "Under License Of" and a I know a lot of Walthers were made in France because of some stupid German law. I've got a German made PP, but it's a 7.65mm / .32 ACP. Wish I had a PPK in .380, how snappy is that one?
Ah, now i understand what you mean. It's made by Smith & Wesson. This is the one with the extended beavertail in the attempt to prevent the slide bite. They succeeded but the bottom edges of the tail was too sharp. The first owner took some fine grit sand paper to it and cold blued the beveled edges. It's a little better.
It's snappy with the blowback design. Way more snappy than my 9mm Shield and P365. Hell, it's more snappy than my .380 bodyguard.
Ah, now i understand what you mean. It's made by Smith & Wesson. This is the one with the extended beavertail in the attempt to prevent the slide bite. They succeeded but the bottom edges of the tail was too sharp. The first owner took some fine grit sand paper to it and cold blued the beveled edges. It's a little better.
It's snappy with the blowback design. Way more snappy than my 9mm Shield and P365. Hell, it's more snappy than my .380 bodyguard.
.380 is a lot of bang in a true PPK platform. The PPK/S handles it a little better but given the age of the design, I think it's at it's limit.
.380 is a lot of bang in a true PPK platform. The PPK/S handles it a little better but given the age of the design, I think it's at it's limit.
The PPK is way outdated since the first Kahr micro pistols came out in the early 2000. I say the Kahr because they were the first successful, reliable, durable micro 9mm, you could get them in plastic or metal frame. Better trigger, better sights and better cartridge.
But that PPK is sexy, nothing is close. Mine is not for shooting or carrying, it's mostly a safe queen and for taking pictures with watches. LOL.
Johnny Rico
02-17-22, 17:19
https://i.imgur.com/5yxMXwx.jpg
I'll play.
That's a really nice looking watch Sam. Looks vintage. Colors remind me a lot of Craig's last Omega in No Time to Die.
That's a really nice looking watch Sam. Looks vintage. Colors remind me a lot of Craig's last Omega in No Time to Die.
You mean this one? :)
https://i.imgur.com/Jm4BHrS.jpg
The Seiko is the fairly new resurrection of the 1965 diver's model. This one is model SPB147J. The 147J has the gilded dial/hands/bezel.
Don't get too excited about that Omega :) it's not real. I certainly can't afford or want to spend $9000 on a watch. The real one like Craig's model in NTTD has titanium case and come in either a titanium Milanese style bracelet or NATO strap. All I could afford is the $100 chinese knock off.
Johnny Rico
02-17-22, 18:05
That's the one! Or at least its doppelganger...hahaha.
I don't know how much money I'd need before I'd be comfortable spending $9k on a watch. Maybe I'd consider it if I reach the point that I need a numbered Swiss account. Still, that Omega is drool inducing. It would be a worthy companion to the STGW57 I'll buy when I win the lottery.
The PPK is way outdated since the first Kahr micro pistols came out in the early 2000. I say the Kahr because they were the first successful, reliable, durable micro 9mm, you could get them in plastic or metal frame. Better trigger, better sights and better cartridge.
But that PPK is sexy, nothing is close. Mine is not for shooting or carrying, it's mostly a safe queen and for taking pictures with watches. LOL.
I don’t own a Kahr, but I’ve shot a buds metal frame CW9 at the range and the DA trigger is Oh-So-Sweet and smooth.
That's the one! Or at least its doppelganger...hahaha.
I don't know how much money I'd need before I'd be comfortable spending $9k on a watch. Maybe I'd consider it if I reach the point that I need a numbered Swiss account. Still, that Omega is drool inducing. It would be a worthy companion to the STGW57 I'll buy when I win the lottery.
If I win the lottery, I'd own that Omega. :) It is beautiful in person though, the real one, and super light due to the titanium. The movie was over a year late in its theatrical release due to the pandemic. But the watch was released and there were lots of discussions in the watch forums. I never paid much attention to the watch and from the internet pictures, I didn't think it looked that good. I kind of thought that the regular Omega Seamaster Professional looked better. A buddy told me to go look at it. So I did and even tried it on. It felt good and the color looked good in a subtle kind of way.
As much as I think that it's foolish to support the clone chinese market, that $100 copy cat is as close as I ever get. It doesn't run that badly either. Fully wound and left on my desk, it ran for 36 hours. Setting the time or winding it proved how cheap the movement was, not the silky smooth, silent movement of a high quality watch. Not even close to a Seiko. That chicomega sounds like there is sand or pebbles inside when I shake it. The lume is not bright, about half the brightness of a high quality watch. I wouldn't even submerge it in the sink when washing my coffee cups. It arrived in a plain cardboard box, the watch was wrapped in bubble wrap taped tightly, that was it. LOL
Which one is real? Excuse the poor pictures, both taken by me with my phone.
https://i.imgur.com/hH9FGdr.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/GodYOHq.jpg
If I win the lottery, I'd own that Omega. :) It is beautiful in person though, the real one, and super light due to the titanium. The movie was over a year late in its theatrical release due to the pandemic. But the watch was released and there were lots of discussions in the watch forums. I never paid much attention to the watch and from the internet pictures, I didn't think it looked that good. I kind of thought that the regular Omega Seamaster Professional looked better. A buddy told me to go look at it. So I did and even tried it on. It felt good and the color looked good in a subtle kind of way.
As much as I think that it's foolish to support the clone chinese market, that $100 copy cat is as close as I ever get. It doesn't run that badly either. Fully wound and left on my desk, it ran for 36 hours. Setting the time or winding it proved how cheap the movement was, not the silky smooth, silent movement of a high quality watch. Not even close to a Seiko. That chicomega sounds like there is sand or pebbles inside when I shake it. The lume is not bright, about half the brightness of a high quality watch. I wouldn't even submerge it in the sink when washing my coffee cups. It arrived in a plain cardboard box, the watch was wrapped in bubble wrap taped tightly, that was it. LOL
Which one is real? Excuse the poor pictures, both taken by me with my phone.
https://i.imgur.com/hH9FGdr.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/GodYOHq.jpg
That's a pretty darn convincing copy I must say. While I like Omega and had one when they were a value watch, for me, I feel like they jumped the shark and are over exposed. That in house movement is great to be sure, I'd personally lean toward other brands in that $ segment. While in house movements are cool too, they don't make a squat bit of difference in keeping time and cost a lot to service if needed.
I go through phases on the watch front. I'm amazed what can be had from the micro brands for the $ these days for $300-400.
While not a value watch any more, I think Sinn is still a brand to put on the short list of anything in the 3-5k range and some unique tech like using submarine steel for their dive watches and such. They also offer a process of tagmented to the steel which brings it to a vickers scale of 1200.
I'm hard on watches. Managed to kill two different all stainless 100m Seiko quartz divers.
After reading on the watch forums I gave an Invicta 8926 a try. It's the miota citizen automatic movement, screwdowns stem, etc. And a fairly accurate submariner clone, though that's not why I got it.
15 years later it's still going strong despite daily wear doing things that destroy other watches.
I've busted two pins, and also finally the bracelet which I repaired using some quartz Invictas I had bought for my boys when they kept tearing up Timex watches.
I think I might have paid $69 for my automatic, it's about 4 seconds fast in a month and probably could be regulated better than that.
My local semi retired old school watch guy replace the raised window crystal with a flat one when I chipped the magnifier. Gave it a good cleaning.
They're $89 now but I think I paid $69 for mine and I've seen them as low as $59. Apparently some of the later quartz Invictas did away with the screwdown stem, so if you do decide to try one make sure it has a screwdown stem as that's one of the main things that contributes to its waterproofness.
I still have one of the 8932 quartz Invictas with a Swiss movement that was my son's on a NATO watch band that I wear occasionally. And another 8932 without band sitting in a box.
I've had many people mistake my Invictas for submariners. Especially if you get the coinedge model. I'm not trying to fool anyone or impress them, but I do like the classic clean all stainless look with a dark face.
So in my mind there is no reason to buy a Chinese clone when you can get an Invicta with a citizen Japanese movement. Or a Swiss quartz movement.
I still love Seiko divers, but got scared off by all the counterfeits. And they got way more expensive than they used to be. I may get a yellow or orange face one just to mix things up. (Though most of the time I'm now wearing a Garmin)
BTW, My wife still is wearing a TAG swiss quartz I got her in the mid 90s. It has held up well.
Johnny Rico
02-18-22, 11:40
I think I might have paid $69 for my automatic, it's about 4 seconds fast in a month and probably could be regulated better than that.
Did you say +4s/month? :agree: You can't best that for an automatic, don't let anyone touch that thing unless it breaks.
Before the pandemic you can buy an auto Seiko field watch for less than $70, now those same ones are doubled the price.
Back to Omega for a second :). I really like the "regular" Seamaster Pro (non Bond) and they are still over $5000, out of my range. Yes, that's the one with the in house movement, ceramic bezel and "wave" dial. If I win the lottery, I'd get the black dial. The last Omega I bought was the Aqua Terra "Skyfall" 38.5mm. Keeps great time, comfortable size for all day, all week wear, goes with cargo shorts or black suit. The price was right as I bought it from a "grey market" dealer for 30% off retail. The Omega authorized dealer would only do 15% off. It's the only watch that keeps me satisfied with the urge to get another Omega.
Sinn are good watches, I have several friends who are fond of their Sinns. There are lots of good brands, micro brands, I already mentioned some of them in my earlier posts.
Before the pandemic you can buy an auto Seiko field watch for less than $70, now those same ones are doubled the price.
Back to Omega for a second :). I really like the "regular" Seamaster Pro (non Bond) and they are still over $5000, out of my range. Yes, that's the one with the in house movement, ceramic bezel and "wave" dial. If I win the lottery, I'd get the black dial. The last Omega I bought was the Aqua Terra "Skyfall" 38.5mm. Keeps great time, comfortable size for all day, all week wear, goes with cargo shorts or black suit. The price was right as I bought it from a "grey market" dealer for 30% off retail. The Omega authorized dealer would only do 15% off. It's the only watch that keeps me satisfied with the urge to get another Omega.
Sinn are good watches, I have several friends who are fond of their Sinns. There are lots of good brands, micro brands, I already mentioned some of them in my earlier posts.
My favorite by far, and the one I had, had a white face with wave pattern, which they finally brought back recently. It was a very sharp watch. It was when they were all in for quartz movements and it was $1400 new at the the time and I got 30% off that grey market, before the resurgence of auto watches returned and prices went way up.
Johnny Rico
02-19-22, 10:07
I know this thread was originally about dive watches, and I completely understand their popularity, but I think my favorite style is the field watch. Sam's picture inspired me to throw my field watch on a NATO strap, my first.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51890993521_08652e539a_c.jpg
Very comfortable. Why didn't I discover these earlier?
Now that the o.p. has found his diver, we sure can talk about other watch style. Recently, I've been thinking about branching out into field watches too, especially those affordable, 36mm Vaers. I need to unload a TAG first :( , too many watches, not enough funds, can't wear them all.
Nice watch and strap Johhny Rico.
Johnny Rico
02-19-22, 12:33
Thanks Sam. Though not as inexpensive as the discontinued SNK series, I like this offering more. Better size at a 39.4mm case versus the 37mm of the Seiko 5. Plus this 4r36 movement hacks.
The dark blue dial with the yellow trim makes for a versatile look. In lower light the dial appears black. This watch can sport black, blue, brown, or grey straps. Or any combination of the above.
Now that the o.p. has found his diver, we sure can talk about other watch style. Recently, I've been thinking about branching out into field watches too, especially those affordable, 36mm Vaers. I need to unload a TAG first :( , too many watches, not enough funds, can't wear them all.
Nice watch and strap Johhny Rico.
Absolutely. So my next question, is there a comparable automatic (high quality) and $400ish that is a close copy of the Rolex Submariner or GMT? Not looking for China Fakes, but actual rugged sport watches. If I'm not paying over $5k I'm more willing to bang around with them.
Absolutely. So my next question, is there a comparable automatic (high quality) and $400ish that is a close copy of the Rolex Submariner or GMT? Not looking for China Fakes, but actual rugged sport watches. If I'm not paying over $5k I'm more willing to bang around with them.
Some dude posted on page one (post #13) about Steinhart Ocean One. :)
https://www.watchuseek.com/threads/wtt-steinhart-ocean-one-39mm.5378604/
German watch, available in 39 and 42 mm. You can call them whatever you want, copy/homage/clone/lookalike/knock off LOL. They are respectable, quality, durable watches. I've had several, all bought used and ran great. They have GMT, Sub, Explorer style and everything in between. I sold them all not because there was anything wrong, just had too many and they don't get any wrist time. New ones are over $500 but you can find used for $400.
Gnomon is a dealer, but they're mostly out of stock, this one is Sub-ish and is available. I've bought my Seiko from them, they are reputable.
https://us.gnomonwatches.com/collections/steinhart/products/ocean-39-tropic-plexi-gnomon-exclusive
Direct purchase from Steinhart, looks like they're in stock:
https://www.steinhartwatches.de/en/ocean-one-39-black-ceramic.html
$430 EURO = $486 US
Used OVM Ocean One Vintage Military (no date) 39mm:
https://www.watchuseek.com/threads/wts-steinhart-ovm-ocean-one-vintage-military-42mm-390-obo.5381498/
My old OVM:
https://i.imgur.com/gcJJmvs.jpg
Ex. Ocean One Black, back when I was into black watches, what they said about once you go black .... isn't true:
https://i.imgur.com/7crwlJC.jpg
Stainless Ocean One, that was my first Steiny:
https://i.imgur.com/VNF6szF.jpg
Found an old picture of the 007, that was what started my affairs with divers:
http://i.imgur.com/ypzSUcl.jpg (https://imgur.com/ypzSUcl)
Absolutely. So my next question, is there a comparable automatic (high quality) and $400ish that is a close copy of the Rolex Submariner or GMT? Not looking for China Fakes, but actual rugged sport watches. If I'm not paying over $5k I'm more willing to bang around with them.
Due to the explosion of micro brands, the choice and quality you can get in the $ bracket, is amazing and close to endless now. Brand I linked to prior has a great rep for the $. Wise is another.
I'm just here to subscribe to the thread, now that my beat-on old Luminox UDT themed watch is into its second H3 half-life, and the sapphire on it has basically eroded in enough spots that it's barely watertight.
I'm curious if there's a particular flavor of watch band that makes the most sense for these as well - I'm fairly tired of having the elastic on those Lumi units just exhaust and fail after a couple of years, and sourcing replacements is getting pretty tedious.
johnnyrebel87
02-23-22, 20:03
Maratac, just got a LSA: titanium, sapphire, ceramic, badass lume, one piece strap. Gorgeous and I wish I hasn't bought an Oris Aquis at the same time since it made it seem like I spent way too much on the oris because the maratac is so good.
johnnyrebel87
02-23-22, 20:23
https://countycomm.com/collections/mechanical-watches/products/lsa-homage-diver-watch-by-maratac
I'm just here to subscribe to the thread, now that my beat-on old Luminox UDT themed watch is into its second H3 half-life, and the sapphire on it has basically eroded in enough spots that it's barely watertight.
I'm curious if there's a particular flavor of watch band that makes the most sense for these as well - I'm fairly tired of having the elastic on those Lumi units just exhaust and fail after a couple of years, and sourcing replacements is getting pretty tedious.
Dude, time for a new watch!
Absolutely. So my next question, is there a comparable automatic (high quality) and $400ish that is a close copy of the Rolex Submariner or GMT? Not looking for China Fakes, but actual rugged sport watches. If I'm not paying over $5k I'm more willing to bang around with them.
I've been looking for another. Decent Sub-homage tool watch. I am really tempted to pull the trigger on one of these. Japanese automatic movement. Not too refined on the outside, but for under $400 USD I wouldn't care if it got beat up. Cheaper if you buy the nato strap version but they offer a SS bracelet option too. Would make a great tool watch if it is as advertised.
Nothing wrong with a G-shock, but I find as I get older digital displays and BUSY analog faces with 10 other data points displayed are getting tiring on the eyes. A simple "no frills" analog dial seems to work best for me now days. They make a no date version also.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/273414376401?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160811114145%26meid%3Dbb395fcbc5b54669aed5f8bcf773ea76%26pid%3D100667%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D8%26sd%3D225056705933%26itm%3D273414376401%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2334524%26brand%3DMWC&_trksid=p2334524.c100667.m2042
I know OP found a watch, but for anyone else looking, I've been really impressed with Islander Watches, which is the in house brand of Long Island Watch. They have great specs for the money, and the two I own have been phenomenal so far.
I've been looking for another. Decent Sub-homage tool watch. I am really tempted to pull the trigger on one of these. Japanese automatic movement. Not too refined on the outside, but for under $400 USD I wouldn't care if it got beat up. Cheaper if you buy the nato strap version but they offer a SS bracelet option too. Would make a great tool watch if it is as advertised.
Nothing wrong with a G-shock, but I find as I get older digital displays and BUSY analog faces with 10 other data points displayed are getting tiring on the eyes. A simple "no frills" analog dial seems to work best for me now days. They make a no date version also.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/273414376401?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160811114145%26meid%3Dbb395fcbc5b54669aed5f8bcf773ea76%26pid%3D100667%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D8%26sd%3D225056705933%26itm%3D273414376401%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2334524%26brand%3DMWC&_trksid=p2334524.c100667.m2042
My next auto with be a Steinhart GMT.
https://www.steinhartwatches.de/en/diver-watch/diver-watch-42mm.html
SilverBullet432
07-15-22, 15:58
My next auto with be a Steinhart GMT.
https://www.steinhartwatches.de/en/diver-watch/diver-watch-42mm.html
Fantastic choice!!
I have the Titanium 42mm 500 GMT.
SilverBullet432
07-15-22, 16:02
I've been looking for another. Decent Sub-homage tool watch. I am really tempted to pull the trigger on one of these. Japanese automatic movement. Not too refined on the outside, but for under $400 USD I wouldn't care if it got beat up. Cheaper if you buy the nato strap version but they offer a SS bracelet option too. Would make a great tool watch if it is as advertised.
Nothing wrong with a G-shock, but I find as I get older digital displays and BUSY analog faces with 10 other data points displayed are getting tiring on the eyes. A simple "no frills" analog dial seems to work best for me now days. They make a no date version also.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/273414376401?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160811114145%26meid%3Dbb395fcbc5b54669aed5f8bcf773ea76%26pid%3D100667%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D8%26sd%3D225056705933%26itm%3D273414376401%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2334524%26brand%3DMWC&_trksid=p2334524.c100667.m2042
Glycine Combat Sub 42mm.
$300 at Costco. Swiss Made in the OG Glycine factory still. Mine hasn’t left my wrist for nearly two months now.
My next auto with be a Steinhart GMT.
https://www.steinhartwatches.de/en/diver-watch/diver-watch-42mm.html
Seiko JUST came out with this right at the end of June. It's in the affordable Seiko 5 series, model SSK001 GMT and it's in the "batman" color scheme. MSRP is just under $500. It ain't a Rolex but you don't need to spend $10K either.
It has the same case as your SKX009 that you are so familiar with.
I lifted a couple of pictures from WUS, don't tell the owners.
A review on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exeQJGYhrjo
https://i.imgur.com/Of6vUUY.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/3mtIcCp.jpg
Seiko JUST came out with this right at the end of June. It's in the affordable Seiko 5 series, model SSK001 GMT and it's in the "batman" color scheme. MSRP is just under $500. It ain't a Rolex but you don't need to spend $10K either.
It has the same case as your SKX009 that you are so familiar with.
I lifted a couple of pictures from WUS, don't tell the owners.
A review on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exeQJGYhrjo
https://i.imgur.com/Of6vUUY.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/3mtIcCp.jpg
I'm probably gonna do a black / red bezel with the Stein. I also like the classic hands better than the newer Seiko. I also think I prefer the crown at 3 o'clock.
I hear ya about the style. The SKX crown at 4 o'clock takes a little getting used to.
It's a good feeling after I sold off the two higher price watches and picked up a $200 Seiko 5. I had forgotten that even at 42mm with the shorter lug to lug dimension, the watch wears more like a 40mm. It doesn't have the 200m dive rating, just deep enough for a casual dip in the pool or plunge in the ocean.
https://i.imgur.com/j3Vtxuj.jpg
I hear ya about the style. The SKX crown at 4 o'clock takes a little getting used to.
It's a good feeling after I sold off the two higher price watches and picked up a $200 Seiko 5. I had forgotten that even at 42mm with the shorter lug to lug dimension, the watch wears more like a 40mm. It doesn't have the 200m dive rating, just deep enough for a casual dip in the pool or plunge in the ocean.
https://i.imgur.com/j3Vtxuj.jpg
I actually like it on my 009, but I want a classic GMT style.
My next auto with be a Steinhart GMT.
https://www.steinhartwatches.de/en/diver-watch/diver-watch-42mm.html
Wow. Those are nice. My Rolex would leave me if I bought one of those though.
My dilemma now... I've got a ton of automatics, I am actually leaning towards just buying a flashy quartz for my next tool watch. No fussing round with winding and accuracy. Something that I can leave in my travel bag for a week and it still has the correct time when I pull it out. Decisions, decisions. Quartz has no soul, but it works.
Analog, of course.
How much you want to spend?
SilverBullet432
07-16-22, 20:44
Wow. Those are nice. My Rolex would leave me if I bought one of those though.
My dilemma now... I've got a ton of automatics, I am actually leaning towards just buying a flashy quartz for my next tool watch. No fussing round with winding and accuracy. Something that I can leave in my travel bag for a week and it still has the correct time when I pull it out. Decisions, decisions. Quartz has no soul, but it works.
Analog, of course.
Victorinox INOX maybe?
https://www.swissarmy.com/us/en/Products/Watches/Men%27s-Watches/INOX/p/241719.1
$1000 for a GOOD quartz, or $1500 if I get another auto... I am really eyeballing this. Going to be just over a grand with shipping... Another $400 if I go with the automatic.
https://chronopedia.club/images/thumb/6/60/CWC-1983-Quartz-Royal-Navy-Dive-Watch-02.jpg/300px-CWC-1983-Quartz-Royal-Navy-Dive-Watch-02.jpg
Wow. Those are nice. My Rolex would leave me if I bought one of those though.
My dilemma now... I've got a ton of automatics, I am actually leaning towards just buying a flashy quartz for my next tool watch. No fussing round with winding and accuracy. Something that I can leave in my travel bag for a week and it still has the correct time when I pull it out. Decisions, decisions. Quartz has no soul, but it works.
Analog, of course.
I hate changing batteries and they always seem to go at the worst time. Had a couple Rolex in my time, nice but honestly the movement in that Stein might be superior. I'd like to get an Omega but can't justify the price right now. I have to make sure an have a nice cash cushion before I can even grab a Stein.
I keep one quartz around for the heck of it but like you said, it has soul. This discontinued Seiko "speedmaster" is also the closest thing to a Omega Speedmaster/Moonwatch, I just can't justify paying over $5000 for a luxury watch. I paid less than $150 on Amazon two and a half years ago, it's still running on the original battery.
https://i.imgur.com/EAuiJbt.jpg
You should be able to get a very good quartz at that budget.
Nice... Yeah, I'm going to sleep over it for a few weeks and figure it out. I'm going to get a no-date, so even if I get an auto it will be easy to set from a dead sleep. Maybe common sense will prevail. I don't "need"another watch. I just have a watch problem. Sounds like I'm not alone.
You're not alone. It's a sickness some of us have to deal with. There are several forums dedicated to the disease. I'm trying to cull the heard a little, sold two in the last 4 months, but added one.
I keep one quartz around for the heck of it but like you said, it has soul. This discontinued Seiko "speedmaster" is also the closest thing to a Omega Speedmaster/Moonwatch, I just can't justify paying over $5000 for a luxury watch. I paid less than $150 on Amazon two and a half years ago, it's still running on the original battery.
My Dad had a Rolex so it always had heavy nostalgia for me, plus it's actually a good looking watch. But beyond that, when the transferable machine gun market was very active, before prices spiked into the Hope Diamond category around 2008, I was dealing with a LOT of sales in the $5k to $15k range (each sale) and when somebody hands you a check or cash in that amount, you need to look like it isn't the first time you've held $10k in cash. Having a Rolex sport model on your wrist gave most people the confidence that you weren't gonna take their money and bail on them to the bahamas.
Of course the worst one was the Barrett Group Buy I did on TOS years ago. It was right before the CA .50 ban and I moved a lot more than I expected. I had cash and checks for three times what my house was worth in my safe, that is the most nervous I've ever been.
You're not alone. It's a sickness some of us have to deal with. There are several forums dedicated to the disease. I'm trying to cull the heard a little, sold two in the last 4 months, but added one.
Understood. M4C started helping me spend more money. When I discovered Watchuseek and TheRolexforum... Let's just say I could have had the mortgage paid off ten years earlier had I not done that. Thinning the herd is tough. I buy stuff that I like vs stuff that would be an "investment", so I tend to take losses when I flip. More often than not now, I just keep stuff rather than selling it for 50-70% of what I paid.
I only have ONE higher end piece now as everyone should. I've got one of the first GMT II BLNRs to roll off the line and wear it all the time. That's my ONLY true luxury piece. Thing keeps time +/- three seconds a WEEK. Probably always will be with the prices being what they are now. From what I understand, high end watch prices are never coming back down. That's OK. There are TONS of low priced decent options out there now.
Averageman
07-18-22, 01:29
We've got one of these in the house. You can still get them from Japan. Seiko SKX009K2 . SHould be able to snag one under $400. These have been around since the 'Nam days and are bulletproof and proven. The lume is Seiko and lasts all night. Just order one and wait for it. Unlike an NFA, you will have it from Japan in a month...
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2117/1313/products/SKX009K2.jpg?v=1542867784
Tried to find this version, the guy in the Seiko store said they don't make them anymore.
We went round and round and finally a sweet English speaking Pinoy interjected herself in the conversation and helped us out.
I got a newer version of the same watch at 8000 pesos.
Tried to find this version, the guy in the Seiko store said they don't make them anymore.
We went round and round and finally a sweet English speaking Pinoy interjected herself in the conversation and helped us out.
I got a newer version of the same watch at 8000 pesos.
I grabbed pretty much the same one, with an "el crapo" rubber strap which I ditched in favor of a oyster style replacement.
Averageman
07-18-22, 04:52
I got the metal band. I'm happier than I have a right to be..
I have been going down a micro brand rabbit hole, and glad I did. All have been outstanding for the $. I have a 4th on the way from Baltic now. Here's my current reviews:
Spinnaker Piccard Dive Watch Review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkmnJwCvy_8&t=12s
Wise Adamascus AD8 Review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqOfcz8bxQY&t=1s
Farer GMT Bezel Charlton Review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwY02bXiLgI&t=5s
Johnny Rico
07-19-22, 16:02
How's that 009 holding up for you Steyr?
Will,
Funny you mentioned the Sinn (I believe the German pronounce it ZINN). I got to handle my friend's U50 last weekend. It's nice, light especially on the rubber strap.
I like the Tudor Black Bay also, always wanted one, but can't justify owning another luxury watch. My Omega Aqua Racer "Skyfall" was the last luxury watch. Since then I tried to keep the price under $1000.
Will,
Funny you mentioned the Sinn (I believe the German pronounce it ZINN). I got to handle my friend's U50 last weekend. It's nice, light especially on the rubber strap.
I like the Tudor Black Bay also, always wanted one, but can't justify owning another luxury watch. My Omega Aqua Racer "Skyfall" was the last luxury watch. Since then I tried to keep the price under $1000.
The Sinn is great, worth owning. At this point, the micros are so good, that's making many name brand stuff look like a poor value, unless name, history, etc is important to you. That Farer makes the Tudor look meh by comparison and has replaced the Tudor as DW.
In fact, currently looking to sell the Tudor and would give any M4C members best deal for sure. If you watch the vid, it's rarest of all BB Tudor's or legit collector worthy watch. Current collection:
https://i.imgur.com/8lZkO9J.jpg
That Wise AD8 is a great looking watch. If I hadn't just bought the Seiko 5KX last month, I might have hit the order now button on that AD8. At 41mm diameter and 11.6mm thick, it's as close to perfect as it comes. I had a TAG Aquaracer 41mm for a year and a half and it felt really good, but it became a victim to my down sizing and it went away.
That Wise AD8 is a great looking watch. If I hadn't just bought the Seiko 5KX last month, I might have hit the order now button on that AD8.
The specs on that Wise makes anything else in that $ look like a joke in my view. Also seems a new category to me, the dress diver. I don't recall seeing anything quite like that myself. At 1k, would still be a good deal compared to other offerings I think.
How's that 009 holding up for you Steyr?
Despite my best efforts it's still in great shape. Running a tad fast and I need to get it into a watchmaker, but for the time being I just reset once a month.
SilverBullet432
07-19-22, 17:31
If its running fast then it’s probably just magnetized. You can get a cheapo de magnetizer off Amazon for less than $20 bux.
Despite my best efforts it's still in great shape. Running a tad fast and I need to get it into a watchmaker, but for the time being I just reset once a month.
The nice thing about the basic Seiko's is the movement is so cheap a watchmaker can replace it easily--7S26 powered watches are ones I don't both to service, when they start to run badly I just take them in to get a new movement.
The nice thing about the basic Seiko's is the movement is so cheap a watchmaker can replace it easily--7S26 powered watches are ones I don't both to service, when they start to run badly I just take them in to get a new movement.
Brand new, I'm assuming it just needs to be adjusted.
Leave it alone bro. If you turn it over to some quartz battery charger, bracelet adjuster, he might not know what he's doing. My buddy took his Seiko 62MAS repro to one such guy and he didn't get the adjustment he wanted. That watch was mine for a year and a half, I didn't care or know how fast it was. All I know was that I never miss a flight, never miss a restaurant reservation or movie time. But I found out that it was running outside the specs.
Moral of the story is, for me, unless it's 2 or 3 minutes out of tune per HOUR, don't f uck with it
BangBang77
07-19-22, 21:44
Leave it alone bro. If you turn it over to some quartz battery charger, bracelet adjuster, he might not know what he's doing. My buddy took his Seiko 62MAS repro to one such guy and he didn't get the adjustment he wanted. That watch was mine for a year and a half, I didn't care or know how fast it was. All I know was that I never miss a flight, never miss a restaurant reservation or movie time. But I found out that it was running outside the specs.
Moral of the story is, for me, unless it's 2 or 3 minutes out of tune per HOUR, don't f uck with it
Yep, this right here. This is the main reason my GSAR hasn't been sent in to be regulated.
Leave it alone bro. If you turn it over to some quartz battery charger, bracelet adjuster, he might not know what he's doing. My buddy took his Seiko 62MAS repro to one such guy and he didn't get the adjustment he wanted. That watch was mine for a year and a half, I didn't care or know how fast it was. All I know was that I never miss a flight, never miss a restaurant reservation or movie time. But I found out that it was running outside the specs.
Moral of the story is, for me, unless it's 2 or 3 minutes out of tune per HOUR, don't f uck with it
There are some good watch guys out there, you just have to look. Usually they are also watch nerds--if you don't live in a big city they can be hard to find, though. When I lived in Dallas there was small watch shop that was an AD for Hamilton, Longines, Seiko and a few other quality but not big name brands that I had do all my work.
Leave it alone bro. If you turn it over to some quartz battery charger, bracelet adjuster, he might not know what he's doing. My buddy took his Seiko 62MAS repro to one such guy and he didn't get the adjustment he wanted. That watch was mine for a year and a half, I didn't care or know how fast it was. All I know was that I never miss a flight, never miss a restaurant reservation or movie time. But I found out that it was running outside the specs.
Moral of the story is, for me, unless it's 2 or 3 minutes out of tune per HOUR, don't f uck with it
We have an actual watch maker in town, and I assumed this was a simple matter of adjusting / regulating. I would never take it to a kiosk guy or anything, but the person in question can open and service a Rolex without negative results.
I already keep my watch 10 minutes fast, so when it gains another 10 minutes in 3-4 weeks it does throw me off.
Thoughts?
We have an actual watch maker in town, and I assumed this was a simple matter of adjusting / regulating. I would never take it to a kiosk guy or anything, but the person in question can open and service a Rolex without negative results.
I already keep my watch 10 minutes fast, so when it gains another 10 minutes in 3-4 weeks it does throw me off.
Thoughts?
If you trust the watch maker then go for it. The problem is when you don't know the guy and found him through google or something.
I don't have problems with watches going 10 minutes fast in a 3 or 4 weeks period as I switch watches ever 2 or 3 days. The rest of the watches in my rotation spend their time in sleep mode :) The only time I wear a watch a week or longer is when I'm on vacation.
Good watch guys are nearly extinct. If you have one consider yourself very lucky.
I've been through the wringer on some old pocket watches. Couple times when I did find a guy I ended up hoping he could finish the watch before he croaked. Luckily I've gone 2 for 2.
I happened to find a watch repair guy that was able to repair my two key wind pocket watches. He is oriental and can’t really speak English, but his son can and he lets his father know what I needed.
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Johnny Rico
07-20-22, 12:07
Good watch guys are nearly extinct. If you have one consider yourself very lucky.
Good watch guys are like good gunsmiths. Few and far between.
Watchmakers, you can't even find a good battery flipper now days that wont take a week for a swap.
Now I'm back to thinking maybe I get an automatic no-date instead of a quartz. Or buy a case opener and do the darn swap myself... I rotate my autos so I tend to get 10-15 years between servicing. A battery is going to be much sooner if you get an "old school" quartz.
Opening the case to replace the battery on good watches is not difficult if you have the case opening tool. It's the cheap $10 costume (ladies) watches that are a b i t c h to open. They're made with soft tin case and friction fit. Put any case opening tool on the back and you'll gouge a chunk of that pot metal stuff with it. A good quality screw back case is way easier to open and close back up.
Automatic it is.. Zelos... I am trying an Asian (Singapore) microbrand with a Japanese movement. Just got it today. Pictures don't do it justice. It's solid and well built. This is a crystalized titanium face with incredible lume. 40mm and looks great on the wrist.
I got a deal, so if it keeps chitty time I did not break the bank.
https://zeloswatches.com/collections/mako/products/mako-v3-300m-steel-crystallised-ti-limited-edition?variant=39816834383961
Seiko introduced this new GMT recently, Seiko 5 Sports GMT.
Not a true diver with 100m depth rating, but that's plenty for a knock around watch. Made in Japan.
Local shop selling well below retail at $380. Got to handle one in the shop. Nice solid bracelet. Lot of bang for the buck.
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn11.bigcommerce.com%2Fs-7d2ce%2Fimages%2Fstencil%2F2560w%2Fproducts%2F9881%2F59328%2FSeiko-SSK003-3__81325.1657522942.jpg%3Fc%3D2&f=1&nofb=1
Automatic it is.. Zelos... I am trying an Asian (Singapore) microbrand with a Japanese movement. Just got it today. Pictures don't do it justice. It's solid and well built. This is a crystalized titanium face with incredible lume. 40mm and looks great on the wrist.
I got a deal, so if it keeps chitty time I did not break the bank.
https://zeloswatches.com/collections/mako/products/mako-v3-300m-steel-crystallised-ti-limited-edition?variant=39816834383961
Hear nothing but good things about that brand. As I'm now on my 4th micro, all great value for $, I think micro's have really turned the whole watch biz on its head. I have had Rolex, JLC, etc, and don't see my self spending the $ on such things again when my sub 2k Farer is nicer in all respects than my Tudor BB, which I'n currently selling.
Farer is toward the expensive end for micros, but the quality for value is off the charts.
Hear nothing but good things about that brand. As I'm now on my 4th micro, all great value for $, I think micro's have really turned the whole watch biz on its head. I have had Rolex, JLC, etc, and don't see my self spending the $ on such things again when my sub 2k Farer is nicer in all respects than my Tudor BB, which I'n currently selling.
Farer is toward the expensive end for micros, but the quality for value is off the charts.
Agreed. While they will have to pry my GMT BLNR from my cold, dead wrist, I am honestly debating selling my Breitling Avenger DLC titanium special edition and grabbing a few more micros.
Christopher Ward has my attention, and I need to be careful with Zelos. I've already picked out a couple more that look even better. Their movements are either good Japanese or good Swiss. Many are now LJP G100 Soigné. I never heard of Zelos until last week and had to snag one. The "small" 40mm is taking getting used to. I wore a 40mm or decades, but everyone started making bigger watches. I love 40mm, but it looks small... I will adapt. I am not a 42+mm kind of guy.
Their lume is incredible. I charged it up before bed last night, and it was lighting up the corner of the room by the bed stand for an hour or so to the point where it was reflecting off the wall. Not kidding. Much brighter than ANY Seiko I've seen. Sixteen hours later, it's running +2 seconds. Should put it about +3 a day. I can live with that.
If they keep making stuff like this, I might have to get a couple. https://zeloswatches.com/collections/spearfish-40mm-diver/products/spearfish-40mm-12hr-meteorite-launch-special?variant=39737370411097
Agreed. While they will have to pry my GMT BLNR from my cold, dead wrist, I am honestly debating selling my Breitling Avenger DLC titanium special edition and grabbing a few more micros.
Christopher Ward has my attention, and I need to be careful with Zelos. I've already picked out a couple more that look even better. Their movements are either good Japanese or good Swiss. Many are now LJP G100 Soigné. I never heard of Zelos until last week and had to snag one. The "small" 40mm is taking getting used to. I wore a 40mm or decades, but everyone started making bigger watches. I love 40mm, but it looks small... I will adapt. I am not a 42+mm kind of guy.
Their lume is incredible. I charged it up before bed last night, and it was lighting up the corner of the room by the bed stand for an hour or so to the point where it was reflecting off the wall. Not kidding. Much brighter than ANY Seiko I've seen. Sixteen hours later, it's running +2 seconds. Should put it about +3 a day. I can live with that.
If they keep making stuff like this, I might have to get a couple. https://zeloswatches.com/collections/spearfish-40mm-diver/products/spearfish-40mm-12hr-meteorite-launch-special?variant=39737370411097
I don't have big wrists, but 40mm is as small as I go. As long as the lugs don't go past my wrists, bigger the better. All mine are 41, but for the JLC Master Compressor Diver, which is 44mm, and still does not look too big on my wrist as it's so well designed. I tried a Rolex Deepsea on when they came out, and it looked like chit on my wrists, due to Rolex paying no attention to wrist shape and such per usual.
If you saw my Farer review (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwY02bXiLgI&t=9s), with comparison to Tudor, it's no contest as to who cared about wrist shape and how it would look on the wrist, with Rolex/Tudor taking the usual "F you, we are Rolex/Tudor and you should be honored to own our watch" approach.
^^^ Good review Will. Nice watch. I am debating getting another GMT as a knock-around travel watch for personal trips. I'm with you though. I am so tired of the copied Rolex knockoffs. Homage my @$$. A copy is a copy. I will not do that.
^^^ Good review Will. Nice watch. I am debating getting another GMT as a knock-around travel watch for personal trips. I'm with you though. I am so tired of the copied Rolex knockoffs. Homage my @$$. A copy is a copy. I will not do that.
More watch dudes need to call that out more, most are not an homage, they're a damn knock off. Stop with the BS already. I made the comment on Watchyouseek forums and lots of butthurt the result. I have two other watch reviews on the page also. Will do another when the new Baltic arrives from France, another micro brand that gets raves for the $.
My experience so far, much rather own 3 good micros vs the one Tudor. Top of the line micro people rave about is Monta as very high end quality for $, but I think their designs are boring. Farer is taking real chances and not playing it safe as Monta seems to. Watch "experts" were all "no one will spend 2k on a micro" and of course they were totally wrong...Hide your credit card and check out:
https://teddybaldassarre.com/blogs/watches/microbrand-watches-complete-guide
^^^ I love lobbing grenades on WUS. Lots of Rolex hate, but just LOOK at all of the knock-offs on the WRUW threads. I call them out too.
^^^ I love lobbing grenades on WUS. Lots of Rolex hate, but just LOOK at all of the knock-offs on the WRUW threads. I call them out too.
So begs a question, is a Tudor diver a knock of a Rolex sub? Then there is the realization that the Sub became the standard for all dive watches. So is a Steinhard a knock or just following the classic lines of the standard dive watch?
I've had a couple Rolex watches but honestly they get beat up pretty easy. But I like the look. So if I find a more durable watch with the same look how is that any different from KAC vs. BCM vs. Colt?
So begs a question, is a Tudor diver a knock of a Rolex sub? Then there is the realization that the Sub became the standard for all dive watches. So is a Steinhard a knock or just following the classic lines of the standard dive watch? I've had a couple Rolex watches but honestly they get beat up pretty easy. But I like the look.
I look at it this way. I don't care WHAT the brand is. If you cover the logo and by glance have a hard time telling if it's not a Rolex... It's a knock-off. Nothing wrong with that if that's what floats your boat. I'd say you do not fit who I was talking about because you've owned Rolex. I'm slamming the people that say they hate Rolex but then wear Rolex knock-offs. I just can't bring myself to buy something that looks "too much" like a Rolex.
So if I find a more durable watch with the same look how is that any different from KAC vs. BCM vs. Colt?
Functionality over form here. A pencil is going to look like a pencil because the design has been maxed out. A good AR is a good AR. A bad AR posing like a good one is a knock-off. My two cents anyway.
Sorry, didn't mean to pizz you off. Not my intent. I admit, that Stein is a good looking watch.
I look at it this way. I don't care WHAT the brand is. If you cover the logo and by glance have a hard time telling if it's not a Rolex... It's a knock-off. Nothing wrong with that if that's what floats your boat. I'd say you do not fit who I was talking about because you've owned Rolex. I'm slamming the people that say they hate Rolex but then wear Rolex knock-offs. I just can't bring myself to buy something that looks "too much" like a Rolex.
Functionality over form here. A pencil is going to look like a pencil because the design has been maxed out. A good AR is a good AR. A bad AR posing like a good one is a knock-off. My two cents anyway.
Sorry, didn't mean to pizz you off. Not my intent. I admit, that Stein is a good looking watch.
Not upset, just asked. I'm kind of in the opposite camp, I'd never say I hate Rolex. I have a serious nostalgic fondness for them and I think they are one of the best looking (form and function) watches out there. But it's a bit like buying a Ferrari and being hard on cars, doesn't make sense.
I need a watch that is pretty close to bulletproof and I learned Rolex isn't that. The Seiko is really holding up nice despite the fact that I've banged it into all kinds of stuff starting the first week. But while I really, really like it...I want a GMT model and I'm not crazy about the many of the things on the newer Seikos. Also I tend to think the Stein will have a much better movement than the Seiko.
This has been an interesting read, thanks to the community for the thread.
I know we're well past OP, but for the specs and price range you mentioned, I've been into Sangin Instruments. Their diver that I wear regularly is this one: https://sangininstruments.com/products/neptune?variant=39294698684510
I am watch interested without being a true nerd, so this works for me. I believe it's a Seiko movement. I wear this watch working, and I work with my hands in a technician/fabricator role. I wear them shooting, swimming, working in the yard, etc. Runs a few minutes quick every month, but that doesn't bother me. Lume is fantastic. I like the metal band pictured, but I usually wear a NATO style strap.
In case anyone can't tell from the name, it's a veteran founded company. I like supporting the vet community when people are working on getting a small business going, and the communication and quality have been up to expectations. Have not had need of their service. Interesting backstory as well. One downside is that they almost always sellout when they drop, so they're never in-stock, and obtaining one requires dipping into the secondary market or signing up for notifications and then sitting on the website shop.
This has been an interesting read, thanks to the community for the thread.
I know we're well past OP, but for the specs and price range you mentioned, I've been into Sangin Instruments. Their diver that I wear regularly is this one: https://sangininstruments.com/products/neptune?variant=39294698684510
I am watch interested without being a true nerd, so this works for me. I believe it's a Seiko movement. I wear this watch working, and I work with my hands in a technician/fabricator role. I wear them shooting, swimming, working in the yard, etc. Runs a few minutes quick every month, but that doesn't bother me. Lume is fantastic. I like the metal band pictured, but I usually wear a NATO style strap.
In case anyone can't tell from the name, it's a veteran founded company. I like supporting the vet community when people are working on getting a small business going, and the communication and quality have been up to expectations. Have not had need of their service. Interesting backstory as well. One downside is that they almost always sellout when they drop, so they're never in-stock, and obtaining one requires dipping into the secondary market or signing up for notifications and then sitting on the website shop.
That left side crown would be the death of me. Any idea why they went with it?
That left side crown would be the death of me. Any idea why they went with it?
In some of their literature (I can't remember if it's on the website, or maybe in the manual) they explain some of the design decisions. I believe the thinking is that the crown is more out of the way there. I like it, but the traditional 3 o'clocks don't really bother me, either.
Coal Dragger
07-30-22, 00:11
Not a ~ $400 watch, but I will ask anyway: Grand Seiko specifically the Spring Drive movement, worth the money or a waste? I like the way just about any of the heritage or dive series, or their GMT’s look. Are these really worth upwards of $8K in comparison to a Rolex?
Not a ~ $400 watch, but I will ask anyway: Grand Seiko specifically the Spring Drive movement, worth the money or a waste? I like the way just about any of the heritage or dive series, or their GMT’s look. Are these really worth upwards of $8K in comparison to a Rolex?
"Worth" is strictly subjective. Many view GS far better watch than Rolex and various others for the $. Lots of GS for well below 8k.
Will is correct. GS is an awesome brand. My fear is that they have been discovered and will now double or triple their production, which might lead to quality issues. The current higher end ones (8k-11k)are works of art. Part of the allure of GS is that most people don't know about them.
I would love to have one, but I'm discovering "cheap" microbrands. IF I do buy another expensive 10k +/- watch, it might very well be a GS. I missed the boat on Patek or AP. Prices have doubled or tripled in the last ten years. I don't need another Rolex.
Will is correct. GS is an awesome brand. My fear is that they have been discovered and will now double or triple their production, which might lead to quality issues. The current higher end ones (8k-11k)are works of art. Part of the allure of GS is that most people don't know about them.
I would love to have one, but I'm discovering "cheap" microbrands. IF I do buy another expensive 10k +/- watch, it might very well be a GS. I missed the boat on Patek or AP. Prices have doubled or tripled in the last ten years. I don't need another Rolex.
To your points, I'd say if one wants a GS, get one sooner than later would be my rec. Every time I have handled one and put it on my wrist, they just don't "do it" for me. In pics they look amazing, in person, meh for me.
Most of their designs are boring as hell, and their good stuff that's not, above what I'm willing to pay for them personally.
Good points Will. Water under the bridge now. We had to put a new Spanish tile roof on the house last month, now our outdoor sprinkler system took a dump this week to the point of a total re-do. Lets just say that between the two, I could have bought a new Rolex sub AND a GS. Stainless versions, of course.
I'm tapped out for a while. I'd be lucky to pull off another micro by Christmas. If I do another high-ish end brand going forward, it will be years.
The joys of home-ownership. :finger:
Good points Will. Water under the bridge now. We had to put a new Spanish tile roof on the house last month, now our outdoor sprinkler system took a dump this week to the point of a total re-do. Lets just say that between the two, I could have bought a new Rolex sub AND a GS. Stainless versions, of course.
I'm tapped out for a while. I'd be lucky to pull off another micro by Christmas. If I do another high-ish end brand going forward, it will be years.
The joys of home-ownership. :finger:
Wildly overrated in my opinion and experience. Some economists also feel it's not the best choice for many, unlike the older advice that everyone benefits from owning a home.
Johnny Rico
07-30-22, 17:02
The smooth seconds sweep of a GS timepiece is a thing of beauty. Seriously, it's mesmerizing.
I read once the opinion of the CEO of a rival brand whose name currently escapes me. He said the only thing wrong with GS is the "Seiko" in its name. Otherwise more people would recognize GS for the high end brand it truly is.
The smooth seconds sweep of a GS timepiece is a thing of beauty. Seriously, it's mesmerizing.
I read once the opinion of the CEO of a rival brand whose name currently escapes me. He said the only thing wrong with GS is the "Seiko" in its name. Otherwise more people would recognize GS for the high end brand it truly is.
Real watch guys been awares for a long time, and if that keeps the rest away and prices down, all the better. The problem is is GS is now starting to get the recognition it should, and that will only lead to increased prices and make them harder to get. As I said above, anyone who has really wanted a GS should get one sooner than later.
Averageman
08-20-22, 05:41
Tried to find this version, the guy in the Seiko store said they don't make them anymore.
We went round and round and finally a sweet English speaking Pinoy interjected herself in the conversation and helped us out.
I got a newer version of the same watch at 8000 pesos.
Edit to add this is self winding and doesn't like sitting on the dresser, at all.
Edit to add this is self winding and doesn't like sitting on the dresser, at all.
Is that your first automatic?
Averageman
08-20-22, 08:00
Is that your first automatic?
Sam, this is my first watch that wasn't a Timex
Edit to add this is self winding and doesn't like sitting on the dresser, at all.
Not sure I understand. What is the power reserve on the watch?
Sam, this is my first watch that wasn't a Timex
Were all your Timex quartz?
Will,
Funny you mentioned the Sinn (I believe the German pronounce it ZINN). I got to handle my friend's U50 last weekend. It's nice, light especially on the rubber strap.
The Sinn is great, worth owning. At this point, the micros are so good, that's making many name brand stuff look like a poor value, unless name, history, etc is important to you. That Farer makes the Tudor look meh by comparison and has replaced the Tudor as DW.
Current collection:
https://i.imgur.com/8lZkO9J.jpg
Now I'm going to get the Sinn U50. Never knew about it until I saw Will's video. I've always liked the U1 but it's too big. Looks like the U50 is in the Goldilocks zone. Bunch of enablers you are...
https://i.imgur.com/hpAlJvf.jpg
Not mine ... had breakfast with my buddy and tried his on. It's light.
https://i.imgur.com/hpAlJvf.jpg
Not mine ... had breakfast with my buddy and tried his on. It's light.
Nice! I just scored a U50-T with the matching tegimented bracelet. The wait begins. A very practical tool watch. These "T" models are supposed to be very scratch resistant.
Nice! I just scored a U50-T with the matching tegimented bracelet. The wait begins. A very practical tool watch. These "T" models are supposed to be very scratch resistant.
Congratulations. My buddy seems to like his a lot.
Now I'm going to get the Sinn U50. Never knew about it until I saw Will's video. I've always liked the U1 but it's too big. Looks like the U50 is in the Goldilocks zone. Bunch of enablers you are...
You need it! Not cheap, but Sinn offers more value than most brands.
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