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The Dumb Gun Collector
02-27-22, 21:50
Hey guys,
Might as well have some fun with our possible incineration. So, presuming you survive and it turns out you are pretty damn tough, what pistol are you going to lug into "Road Warrior?"
I'll start. I am going to carry my Beretta 92G-SD with 17 round mags. And a J-frame for backup. Why? The gun is safe, incredibly reliable and I shoot it faster and more accurately than any other gun. The only real downside is it is a tad heavier than its plastic brethren. I figure I'll be losing a lot of weight in the doomscape so I'll be ok!
I'm probably alone on this one, but my VP9 has been flawless in nearly 2000 rounds. That's what I'd take.
I will add, that I hope I'm never in a position to have to use a pistol over a rifle.
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The Dumb Gun Collector
02-27-22, 22:25
'm probably alone on this one, but my VP9 has been flawless in nearly 2000 rounds. That's what I'd take.
I will add, that I hope I'm never in a position to have to use a pistol over a rifle.
Hey! You gotta have something while you are taking a leak.
I think the Vp9 would be a fine choice. I have owned a couple and they are fantastic shooters. Presuming the Polymer can handle the radiation!
MC_Oper8or
02-28-22, 00:21
1911. My GRP or Operator. Glock is better? I don't want to live that badly.
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titsonritz
02-28-22, 02:05
Given mags, spare parts and gear, I'm pretty much married to my Glocks for the apocalypse. No reason I can't keep my 442 in my pocket though.
Straight Shooter
02-28-22, 02:30
Glocks. Always Glocks.
Gary1911A1
02-28-22, 04:31
My head says Glock, but my heart says 1911.
Glock19 as there are plenty around plus ease of maintenance..
Not to side track, but someone or a group within Putin's circle would see the light and end things before that would occur.
Oh-G19
CharlieDeltaJuliet
02-28-22, 06:52
I want to go with my 19X but fear my P229 might last a second or two longer before melting from the 1000° blast of heat and radiation.
I want to go with my 19X but fear my P229 might last a second or two longer before melting from the 1000° blast of heat and radiation.
Would look like this.
https://youtu.be/iXuc7SAyk2s
As the mushroom cloud elevates, the shock and heat wave advance I'm pretty sure I only need a weapon capable of a single shot....
This is simply more Dem projection. We all know it was Trump who was going to start a nuclear war.
Well, I'm set up to use my Sig M17. Be handy to be able to recover magazines from random Army bases and vehicles, Fallout-style. On the flip side, something about the 1911 seems highly appropriate.
And, of course, since "tHeY nEvEr JaM!" I've got my M1917s, bot a Colt and a S&W, on stand-by for the appocalypse. Just hope I have enough moon-clips....
My head says Glock, but my heart says 1911.
That's the great thing about a G19. They're so light you can carry one as a spare in your ruck.
So my primary secondary arm will be the Staccatto and my secondary arm (tertiary?) the G19. :)
https://www.okshooters.com/attachments/staccatto1-jpg.255813/
Deagle with beamz...Gold plated and fiddy cal, unless you want to get kilt in the streets...
Quick thought here......I do believe that by the time the temp rose enough to melt my Glock 19 frame, my ass would be toast also, so moot point!
Quick thought here......I do believe that by the time the temp rose enough to melt my Glock 19 frame, my ass would be toast also, so moot point!
:-) does not matter what weapons you have...they would all melt !
I watched the Book of Eli…Heckler & Koch 45 is what God intend us to have…[emoji16]
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WillieThom
02-28-22, 20:29
That's the great thing about a G19. They're so light you can carry one as a spare in your ruck.
So my primary secondary arm will be the Staccatto and my secondary arm (tertiary?) the G19. :)
https://www.okshooters.com/attachments/staccatto1-jpg.255813/
Those older ‘tree bark’ style grips look so damn good…
Oh, what handgun? Glock in 9mm or .45acp. Just depends on what mood I’m in and what ammo happens to be lying around as I walk through the sad lonely streets with my shopping cart full of blankets.
What ever I find laying around .
I watched the Book of Eli…Heckler 45 is what God intend us to have…[emoji16]
Tack driver in the hands of a blind man with sonar hearing for sure.
My Colt single action army. May as well go out in style. (Glock if I'm bing realistic)
I'd prefer to use a .308 soft point through my own medulla oblongata but since you said handgun I'm going with my Colt King Cobra .357 and a SJHP.
Tough choice. My DW 1911 has been utterly reliable but so has my Beretta M9A1...My Beretta wins out.
Coal Dragger
03-01-22, 09:19
Howdy,
Clearly the only answer is a Beretta 93R in a fine SERPA holster.
Extra credit for those who pick up the reference.
titsonritz
03-01-22, 13:43
Howdy,
Clearly the only answer is a Beretta 93R in a fine SERPA holster.
Extra credit for those who pick up the reference.
How can we ever forget it. Sort of incomplete without a photoshopped picture, though.
Well, admittedly my CZ-75B would be my backup … to a Sub2000 carbine that uses the SAME magazines! There’s a 22-round mag in the carbine magwell & two 16-round mags in Fobus mag carriers on the forend, so there’s 54-rounds there before I even switch to the handgun.
… don’t bring a handgun to a carbine fight … youse guys w/ Glocks gotta ‘up your game’ to a compadre pistol-caliber carbine, no?
The_War_Wagon
03-01-22, 16:19
https://i.ibb.co/372y0RS/champ.jpg
Glock 19 fits the bill but a suppressed Glock 44 just makes sense so you'll never run out of ammo. Weight and logistics may dictate what you have.
My head says Glock, but my heart says 1911.
Don't be an emotional irrational.
Depends how close you are you ground zero. If you are close but not too close so that you and your family will die a painful death of radiation poisoning. The you need a flintlock pistol for each member of your family.
Hey guys,
Might as well have some fun with our possible incineration. So, presuming you survive and it turns out you are pretty damn tough, what pistol are you going to lug into "Road Warrior?"
.22lr for me. :)
No need to further pollute the environment with lead that a guy does not 'need' if he aims carefully.
Get a Tokarev TT33, AK47 and learn to speak rooskie.
A good ole G17 and AK-47. Simple, easy field maintenance and minimal upkeep.
TXPO
Cross bow... crack off a round and everyone knows.
As the mushroom cloud elevates, the shock and heat wave advance I'm pretty sure I only need a weapon capable of a single shot....
Pretty much my first thought when I saw the thread.
My Colt single action army. May as well go out in style. (Glock if I'm bing realistic) I’ve got a beat-looking clone. That would probably be very stylish in a warlord’s holster.
Tough choice. My DW 1911 has been utterly reliable but so has my Beretta M9A1...My Beretta wins out. M9A1 is so elegant as my skin melts off. A fine choice. +5 warlord points if its a LTT.
Glock 19 fits the bill but a suppressed Glock 44 just makes sense so you'll never run out of ammo. Weight and logistics may dictate what you have.
Suppressed G44 makes a lot of sense, and I’ve got one. As noted above, it may only get fired once.
Glock, Sig M17, or S&W 442, whichever I’m wearing at the moment. I only *need* it to punch a single primer.
If we’re doing it movie style, the protagonist should have a raggedy G19, and use it exclusively to execute his enemies and intimidate his peers.
TheGhostRider
03-03-22, 14:50
I watched the Book of Eli…Heckler & Koch 45 is what God intend us to have…[emoji16]
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Will my HK P2000 v3 9mm be acceptable? Asking for a friend...
If it is necessary to have a .45... probably my G21 SF.
Who am I kidding... my fat arse will be cremated along with my neighbors. I set to close to a ground zero target.
One of my favorite movies btw!!!
G19 w/rmr, silencer, and 23rd magshttps://www.dropbox.com/s/gulee333t4ip0r5/Photo%20Feb%2011%2C%209%2044%2044%20PM.jpg?raw=1
Yeah thats a 19rd mag - old pic.
Well, since it's the apocalypse scenario, I'll OWB carry a Walther PPQ Classic with six 17 round magazines on my support side. Plus stored in special box safely hidden, a Ruger Mk III Target bull barrel 22lr with suppressor. When I have to perform some "Wet Work" on orders from my wife to terminate someone "With Extreme Prejudice". I predict I'll be a very busy man in the near future!
Same SIG I always have on my hip. G19 in a backpack.
FromMyColdDeadHand
03-05-22, 23:21
.22lr for me. :)
No need to further pollute the environment with lead that a guy does not 'need' if he aims carefully.
9mm, but 22lr would be interesting. Way more rounds per pound, and all handgun rounds suck. In those situations, no one will want to get shot by anything...
Not a revolver guy, but is there such a things as wheel gun that takes 9mm? Losing mags would SUCK..
9mm, but 22lr would be interesting. Way more rounds per pound, and all handgun rounds suck. In those situations, no one will want to get shot by anything...
Not a revolver guy, but is there such a things as wheel gun that takes 9mm? Losing mags would SUCK..
I’ve always said that short of a well trained and experienced combat arms soldier, the worst person to face would be a seasoned small game hunter with a scoped 10/22 and a satchel full of 25rd mags. At least inside 100 yards that is. :eek:
m1a_scoutguy
03-06-22, 07:20
https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/model-929
Cool pistol ! Just need Jerry M. to run it for ya,,8 shots in under a second,LOL Yea I agree, anyone with a 22 and a pocket full of shells could cause fits for anyone within a 100yrds ! Just imagine if you had a suppressor also,,would be bad-ass for sure.
The Dumb Gun Collector
03-06-22, 11:15
Realistically I don't think spare parts availability is important unless you are talking about spare parts you already own. Unless you have a gun right on the verge of breaking (sig 365, JK!) just about any gun will do. Presumably you will stay where you are at or will be able to carry a limited amount of gear from one place to the next (unless you are going to walk the earth). I do think ease of basic maintenance is important. You certainly wouldn't want something with a lot of parts that come out during a field strip. I think we have a few tiers...
1. Toyota /Ford/Chevy Truck Tier
Glock 17/19 with NS. Might as well forget about the RMR unless you have something fiber optic powered.
Basic AR (6920 or equiv) with a Variable powered optic or Acog. Don't want to rely on electronics unless absolutely necessary.
Backup (something simple like a J-frame or other gun you can pocket carry when you are taking a dump).
2. Mazda Tier (you want something solid, but you just have to be a little different).
Beretta/HK/etc.
Ak47/Tavor/AUG
3. Porsche/ BMW Tier (you are a snob who likes blowing money for the best, whether you can use the extra performance or not)
Staccato, Wilson stuff,
Hk 416/ SCAR/ Super Gucci AR
4. VOLVO/FIAT/etc Hipster tier (because F IT! I am going to be by myself you can't Judge me!!)
Makarov/P7m8/Mr73
Sig 550/Hellion/Famas (good luck!)FNC/Ar70
5. Chrysler/ Ford/Chevy "MURICA'" Tier
Garand/M14/AR-14 with carry handle tier (actually probably not a bad idea on the carry handle)
1911
Just to play the "only one pistol" game, it would a G34 with 33rd mags as spares.
PriseDeFer
03-07-22, 09:02
Ruger Blackhawk convertible. I'll wager you could figure out how to make the thing digest 380ACP as well. Anybody have plans for an offset 22LR chamber insert?
-Twin Detonics Combat Masters in an Allesi double shoulder rig with Milt Sparks Six Packs
-Metalifed & Magnaported Colt Python riding in a flap holster on my right hip and Safariland Speedloaders
-Colt Lawman at the small of the back
-AG Russel Sting 1A carried inside the left side waist band
-Colt AR-15 with collapsible stock and 3x scope and a musette bag filled with spare magazines
-Aviator sunglasses
-Zippo
-Balding Jewish sidekick with an MP-40
-Twin Detonics Combat Masters in an Allesi double shoulder rig with Milt Sparks Six Packs
-Metalifed & Magnaported Colt Python riding in a flap holster on my right hip and Safariland Speedloaders
-Colt Lawman at the small of the back
-AG Russel Sting 1A carried inside the left side waist band
-Colt AR-15 with collapsible stock and 3x scope and a musette bag filled with spare magazines
-Aviator sunglasses
-Zippo
-Balding Jewish sidekick with an MP-40
Say What?
Speaking of musette, I had a bag that was similar but it was rectangle including the top of the bag which had a carry handle sewed to it. I have been trying to find such a bag for a long time.
-Twin Detonics Combat Masters in an Allesi double shoulder rig with Milt Sparks Six Packs
-Metalifed & Magnaported Colt Python riding in a flap holster on my right hip and Safariland Speedloaders
-Colt Lawman at the small of the back
-AG Russel Sting 1A carried inside the left side waist band
-Colt AR-15 with collapsible stock and 3x scope and a musette bag filled with spare magazines
-Aviator sunglasses
-Zippo
-Balding Jewish sidekick with an MP-40
And if I remember right, like 45 years ago, our hero Rourke carried them at half cock!
556BlackRifle
03-07-22, 23:00
G19x or G45 with a few happy sticks.
And if I remember right, like 45 years ago, our hero Rourke carried them at half cock!
Hey, hey, hey! It was only forty years ago.
I'd forgotten he liked thumb-cocking the Detonics
Say What?
Speaking of musette, I had a bag that was similar but it was rectangle including the top of the bag which had a carry handle sewed to it. I have been trying to find such a bag for a long time.
https://www.atthefront.com/Musette-Bag-Made-USA-p/usgbpmu.htm
Now that I think about it, what you want may have been German.
My Sig Legion 226 ( I call it my poor mans Stacatto ) but would be fine with my any HK in my collection. My Stacatto is moving up in my choices as I'm starting to shoot it better and it has been utterly reliable. Lotta good choices. My go bag has Hk P30/ VP9 mags in it so if I'm in a hurry
PB
https://www.atthefront.com/Musette-Bag-Made-USA-p/usgbpmu.htm
Now that I think about it, what you want may have been German.
That guy used to have rants on reenactors that were hilarious, but has(unfortunately) toned down a lot in recent years. About an hour away from me, but never been since only open weekdays.
grizzlyblake
03-10-22, 15:23
Dual P365s stuffed into my boxer briefs.
Outlander Systems
03-11-22, 08:27
“Apocalypse”
>zero Mk23s posted
Get in, losers, we’ve got wastelands to traverse.
https://i.ibb.co/NSZJbzz/9-E7-FAFE6-675-C-4462-AE5-E-E9-A6-FD120-A53.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/Kysxpbq/AA60-B964-BAFC-4392-83-E7-BCF63-DD3-EC5-E.jpg
I’ve always said that short of a well trained and experienced combat arms soldier, the worst person to face would be a seasoned small game hunter with a scoped 10/22 and a satchel full of 25rd mags. At least inside 100 yards that is. :eek:
add a 22/45 or a glock 44 on the hip of this same person and you've got a problem.
...I'd rather be like him or at least have him on my side
ffhounddog
03-12-22, 07:51
glock 19 or glock 23 with a 40=9 blacklist barrel. threaded of course.
Would an atomic blast not close enough to break the glass in tritium vials cause them to become daylight bright?:rolleyes:
chamber143
03-13-22, 18:52
I’m going with something full-size, atleast 17 rounds. More than likely my shadow systems xr920 with threaded barrel, rmr and tlr7a. Or any other Glock I have
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arbninftry
03-14-22, 22:27
-Twin Detonics Combat Masters in an Allesi double shoulder rig with Milt Sparks Six Packs
-Metalifed & Magnaported Colt Python riding in a flap holster on my right hip and Safariland Speedloaders
-Colt Lawman at the small of the back
-AG Russel Sting 1A carried inside the left side waist band
-Colt AR-15 with collapsible stock and 3x scope and a musette bag filled with spare magazines
-Aviator sunglasses
-Zippo
-Balding Jewish sidekick with an MP-40
Only thing missing is a box of cigars, and car full of cougars.
Press Check
03-15-22, 20:21
No doubt, a Glock 19. In the Vertx Gamut backpack, a 22/45 Lite, and TacSol X-Ring Takedown in a Magpul Backpacker stock.
Only thing missing is a box of cigars, and car full of cougars.
Wife beater over BDU pants....
Nice reference for the old guys. Jerry Ahern, RIP!
Glock 9mm for me, I'm one of those guy Mr. Bell's old sig-line referred to! ;)
“Apocalypse”
>zero Mk23s posted
Get in, losers, we’ve got wastelands to traverse.
https://i.ibb.co/NSZJbzz/9-E7-FAFE6-675-C-4462-AE5-E-E9-A6-FD120-A53.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/Kysxpbq/AA60-B964-BAFC-4392-83-E7-BCF63-DD3-EC5-E.jpg
Neat.
A variant of the "if you only had one pistol" game Cool ! So many options, but for the sake of being ubiquitous and practical, a Glock 19 w/RDS. It takes a variety of 10/15/17/24/33 rd mags, can't place a 10 or 15 rd mag in the G17 or G34. Easy to conceal, reliable, 9mm commonly found, and lightweight. Now if it only had the "coolness" factor it would be perfect.
James Dean
03-23-22, 23:48
Glock or VP9. Maybe even sig m11-A1. Depends on what caliber ammo I can find after I run out.
A variant of the "if you only had one pistol" game Cool ! So many options, but for the sake of being ubiquitous and practical, a Glock 19 w/RDS. It takes a variety of 10/15/17/24/33 rd mags, can't place a 10 or 15 rd mag in the G17 or G34. Easy to conceal, reliable, 9mm commonly found, and lightweight. Now if it only had the "coolness" factor it would be perfect.
That coolness factor comes in the form of Shadow Systems
Press Check
03-28-22, 14:11
I’ve always said that short of a well trained and experienced combat arms soldier, the worst person to face would be a seasoned small game hunter with a scoped 10/22 and a satchel full of 25rd mags. At least inside 100 yards that is. :eek:
Truth…
chamber143
03-28-22, 18:52
That coolness factor comes in the form of Shadow Systems
Amen to that. I love mine
That coolness factor comes in the form of Shadow Systems
Thanks for the suggestion
Not familiar with shadow systems ...google do your thing !
Thanks for the suggestion
Not familiar with shadow systems ...google do your thing !
I have replaced 2 Glock 19s with MR920s..... the guns are a definite upgrade and they shoot very flat
Glock19 as there are plenty around plus ease of maintenance..
yeah, that or a glock 21. I have parts and gear for both.
I'm probably alone on this one, but my VP9 has been flawless in nearly 2000 rounds. That's what I'd take.
I will add, that I hope I'm never in a position to have to use a pistol over a rifle.
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This is where I'm at because it's what I already own one... but I'd loke to have a Glo k 19 or the like as it’s just such a popular pistol I think I'd be more likely to find d spare parts if it were to ever need them.
Most likely my Glock 17 with the RMR and SF X300U.
robbins290
04-08-22, 08:20
For reasons, I keep a Glock 22 with a spare 9mm and 357 barrel. 3 calibers to scavenge. Also have a back up G20 and G21. That gives me 5 LEO calibers. LEO's around here use all but the 10MM.
The Dumb Gun Collector
04-09-22, 14:41
I see a lot of folks picked guns with red dots. No concerns that you might have battery issues over the long term? Not to mention issues with screws coming loose/revering with precious ammo?
I see a lot of folks picked guns with red dots. No concerns that you might have battery issues over the long term? Not to mention issues with screws coming loose/revering with precious ammo?
My suppressed G19 uses a dual-illuminated RMR. No batteries. Its been on there a couple of years and has been used to open the slide on stuck rounds with my truck’s tailgate, so I’m confident that the screws are staying.
Inkslinger
04-09-22, 15:11
I see a lot of folks picked guns with red dots. No concerns that you might have battery issues over the long term? Not to mention issues with screws coming loose/revering with precious ammo?
After a nuclear war, what would be your definition of long term? There’s probably a pretty good chance your batteries will have a longer life than you. Besides, the EMP from the blast will make your RDS useless. Even if they do, that’s what backup sights are for. The reality is whatever gun you have when thing get bright probably won’t be the one you have when things go dark. I mean I guess if you have a bunker with enough supplies to allow you to live out your life and die of old age, then you probably have enough batteries, bullets and screwdrivers to service any firearms you have.
Many years ago, the alert Siren sequence told us that a Nuclear attack was expected within minutes, shelter in place, hopefully a low place. No time to move to a safer area.(I was in the Air Force (SAC) I sure as hell wasn't concerned about my sidearm !! Turns out a darn squirrel had shorted out some equipment and an attack wasn't expected. We were updated in about 10 minutes, 10 long minutes !!!
The Dumb Gun Collector
04-10-22, 23:01
After a nuclear war, what would be your definition of long term? There’s probably a pretty good chance your batteries will have a longer life than you. Besides, the EMP from the blast will make your RDS useless. Even if they do, that’s what backup sights are for. The reality is whatever gun you have when thing get bright probably won’t be the one you have when things go dark. I mean I guess if you have a bunker with enough supplies to allow you to live out your life and die of old age, then you probably have enough batteries, bullets and screwdrivers to service any firearms you have.
Well, in my scenario I am alive for the long-haul because I am Mad freaking Max. I think if you are someone who uses a red dot you should definitely look into one of those dual illuminated RMRs like 1168 uses (in this scenario).
I see a lot of folks picked guns with red dots. No concerns that you might have battery issues over the long term? Not to mention issues with screws coming loose/revering with precious ammo?
Well, at least they'd start off with the capability even if eventually they'd have to fall back to simpler equipment.
1911. My GRP or Operator. Glock is better? I don't want to live that badly.
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkHmmmm everytime someone says a 1911..all I can think of and my mind goes into is that scene from red dawn where the russian soldier stepped on the hand of that dead guy to get his 1911.
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If you gunna run a RDS, I guess you need tall sights for BUIS.
PB
HK Mk23 because……..it is made for war. Back up to the Mk23 would be a Glock.
M9. I know the manual of arms blindfolded, in the dark and using my sense of smell.
M9. I know the manual of arms blindfolded, in the dark and using my sense of smell.
A week ago, I had an event in a competition where I had to assemble one in a smoke filled room, with noise and a strobe light, with the parts mixed with other guns. Easy peasy, lemon squeezy, fingertip memory.
That's a tough one between a VP9 and a 92FS/M9. I have more rounds out of the Beretta, but I REALLY like my VP9... No hiccups out of either.
After a nuclear war, what would be your definition of long term? There’s probably a pretty good chance your batteries will have a longer life than you. Besides, the EMP from the blast will make your RDS useless. Even if they do, that’s what backup sights are for. The reality is whatever gun you have when thing get bright probably won’t be the one you have when things go dark. I mean I guess if you have a bunker with enough supplies to allow you to live out your life and die of old age, then you probably have enough batteries, bullets and screwdrivers to service any firearms you have.
Uhm, that comment about EMPs and red dots is not true. Why do people keep repeating that fallacy?
The answer is the same for me regardless of the "one pistol" scenario - Glock 19 with steel sights. Light, durable, relatively compact, reasonable capacity, simple to maintain, and decent ballistics.
The runner up is a Ruger MKII .22lr. That was my only pistol for years.
Andy
grizzlyblake
04-15-22, 08:20
I shot a match last weekend with my bone stock P365 with the stock X-ray or whatever sights. I haven't shot a match in *years*. This was a casual USCCA deal put on by a friend of mine.
I was shocked at how well I did, only falling behind a guy running a full size M&P with a Holosun. I was sub 2sec on a concealed AIWB draw to busting a chicken egg at 15yds first shot from behind cover.
I know Sig gets a lot of flak and I don't own any of their other products, but there is straight voodoo magic in the original micro P365s. Plus I'm 5'6" 140lb and I can stick the 365 with a Raven Vanguard in my tight Wrangler jeans and tight t-shirt and it disappears.
So yeah it's my apocalypse gun hands down for being out and about.
The question I have is how do high radiation levels effect polymer?
The question I have is how do high radiation levels effect polymer?
A level Probably higher than most humans can survive.
It's looking more & more like the Rusky's are getting their arses kicked. Should they launch NUKES, being ex-air Air Force (SAC) I can assure you that Russia will be a very large gravel pile. Most of theirs will fizzle, & our won't. Still take your iodine pills, as needed !!!
Colt Carson
05-08-22, 19:18
One handgun in a post apocalyptic world? I need to be able to address a threat that might be 100 yards away, so forget anything with combat sights. So, I’m looking at a 1911 pistol or a 357 revolver. The convertible 357 Blackhawk (Ruger) looks good because you can shoot 9mm, 38 special & 357 magnum. There’s a good chance you could scavenge at least one of the three cartridges. The biggest downfall of the 1911 (.45acp) would be the weight of the ammunition. If you’re on the move, you gotta carry the ammo and a lot more.
Colt Carson
05-09-22, 01:10
Oh, and according to YouTuber Paul Harrell, some 38 Super ammunition can be fired in a 357 magnum revolver.
Coal Dragger
05-09-22, 03:05
While I still maintain that the Beretta 93R in a SERPA is the ultimate apocalypse blaster, because it's a silly gun for a silly concept; if I am forced to take this seriously:
1.) Mild short term apocalypse: Any quality 9X19mm full size or compact service pistol that you know runs well and and that you can shoot. I'm not super picky and I'm able to do well with most action types. I guess if push came to shove it would be a Glock 19 or clone thereof. Maybe a Shadow Systems gun because I like the sights on those out of the box. That said any Beretta 92, Beretta PX4, Sig P series gun, P320, HK anything, S&W M&P, CZ, whatever that I have more than 2-3 magazines for would work. The chances of shooting any of them to the point they break with quality ammo is minuscule, and their job is to get me out of trouble not go looking for it. This scenario is assuming that existing ammo and components will still be out there and not significantly degraded in quality or reliability.
2.) Long term bad apocalypse: Years down the road I have somehow survived the post nuclear hell-scape and need to continue dominating others as a powerful warlord. Ammo is now scarce, and exposure to the elements has made some of it unreliable, components to make ammo are also scarce and of questionable quality. With the right tools ammo can be broken down and loaded into other calibers of similar projectile diameter, but probably won't maintain the pressure curve needed to run a semi-auto. So I will need a blaster that can better tolerate lower quality ammo that is easier to perform immediate action on. So I choose a double action revolver, probably a Ruger GP100 or Super GP100 because they're virtually indestructible and being revolvers will run just about anything shoved in the cylinder as long as the bullet exits the barrel. Plus they'll look cool with my black leather armor with studs and spikes and shit all over it as I drive around in my monster truck terrorizing my enemies and striking adoration in my slaves.... er I mean people. Yeah OK, I still don't take this one seriously.
The Dumb Gun Collector
05-09-22, 22:22
While I still maintain that the Beretta 93R in a SERPA is the ultimate apocalypse blaster, because it's a silly gun for a silly concept; if I am forced to take this seriously:
1.) Mild short term apocalypse: Any quality 9X19mm full size or compact service pistol that you know runs well and and that you can shoot. I'm not super picky and I'm able to do well with most action types. I guess if push came to shove it would be a Glock 19 or clone thereof. Maybe a Shadow Systems gun because I like the sights on those out of the box. That said any Beretta 92, Beretta PX4, Sig P series gun, P320, HK anything, S&W M&P, CZ, whatever that I have more than 2-3 magazines for would work. The chances of shooting any of them to the point they break with quality ammo is minuscule, and their job is to get me out of trouble not go looking for it. This scenario is assuming that existing ammo and components will still be out there and not significantly degraded in quality or reliability.
2.) Long term bad apocalypse: Years down the road I have somehow survived the post nuclear hell-scape and need to continue dominating others as a powerful warlord. Ammo is now scarce, and exposure to the elements has made some of it unreliable, components to make ammo are also scarce and of questionable quality. With the right tools ammo can be broken down and loaded into other calibers of similar projectile diameter, but probably won't maintain the pressure curve needed to run a semi-auto. So I will need a blaster that can better tolerate lower quality ammo that is easier to perform immediate action on. So I choose a double action revolver, probably a Ruger GP100 or Super GP100 because they're virtually indestructible and being revolvers will run just about anything shoved in the cylinder as long as the bullet exits the barrel. Plus they'll look cool with my black leather armor with studs and spikes and shit all over it as I drive around in my monster truck terrorizing my enemies and striking adoration in my slaves.... er I mean people. Yeah OK, I still don't take this one seriously.
Actually not a bad idea. You can reload spent .38 shells with tire weights, match heads and any other reasonable powder.
I agree with some of the posters above that it would depend entirely on what sort of scenario you have. I think the bog standard answer is probably going to be Glocks in 9 millimeter. I personally would probably lean towards something a bit smaller because in almost any scenario that I would actually consider to be world-ending I don't intend to limit myself to a pistol unless I absolutely have to. Thus I'd want something a bit easier to conceal as I see the pistol use would be in one of the few occasions I'd be limited to a pistol alone. In that case, it's probably gonna be my M&P shield and kick my own *** for not picking up the new one.
Pretty much any of the combat Tupperware would be fine for this and is likely to last longer than your ammo supply.
In a mid to longer-term scenario, you would have to plan on cartridges becoming difficult to source. If you're dealing with home reloaded under less-than-ideal conditions, maybe with black powder, then I think you're dealing with large revolvers probably in something like 44 magnum so you have enough case capacity to do something. I like 357 but I wonder how much black powder can you get in one of those cases with a seated bullet? 20 grains? I would be inclined for a Ruger or maybe The Dirty Harry classic Smith and Wesson as the mid to long term sidearm. I don’t doubt the Rugers may technically be tougher, but I doubt with black powder loads you'd ever wear out the Smith and Wesson
For long-term to forever scenarios, as in this is the way life is going forward and I better plan for my grandchildren, I better know how to knap flint and make black powder; You might be back to flintlocks of some variation within a decade. Could be valuable to put some energy towards knowing what sort of breech-loading mechanism would work best for flintlocks with powder and ball or perhaps, if you are lucky, paper cartridges. Without the fully functional power of the industrial revolution we can't make modern cartridges, primers, or percussion caps even. I know people have all sorts of home recipes for primers or percussion caps, and using match heads and soda cans and so forth, but you're going to run out of matches pretty quickly…..and they may be more valuable as matches in these scenarios. Not to mention there simply isn't that many matches kicking around anymore, at least I always have to hunt for them when I want them. Hell, I bet you run out of matches before we run out of ammo conventional commercially loaded ammunition.
So, the extreme forever and ever Amen term, better figure out some good flintlock technology.
Or put away 100k rounds for your descendants. Hmmm, half a million primers might not be a bad idea too.
Glock 23 kit w 9mm conversion barrel and .22 upper.
Can use 17,19,22,23 magazines and either 9 or 40 ammo.
Most easily supportable.
TriggerFish
05-27-22, 12:06
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