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I have a Dead Air muzzle brake on my Noveske 14.5 Afghan. It has a little too much concussion for my taste. Can someone recommend a flash hider that will keep the barrel at 16+ and reduces concussion? I don't think an A2 bird cage is long enough.
Thanks
Anything that's not a brake will have less concussion...the Vortex flash hider shoots soft and keeps it over 16" https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220302/e6e82a20b02252a7150c8ed8ee27dcf6.jpg
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You can buy extended A2 flash hiders that will bring a 14.5" barrel to over 16". I have one on my 14.5" BCM Socom.
Here is one from BCM that is in stock.
https://bravocompanyusa.com/bcm-a2x-extended-a2-flash-suppressor/
titsonritz
03-02-22, 13:57
I have a Dead Air muzzle brake on my Noveske 14.5 Afghan. It has a little too much concussion for my taste. Can someone recommend a flash hider that will keep the barrel at 16+ and reduces concussion? I don't think an A2 bird cage is long enough.
Thanks
It is not, but a A2X (https://bravocompanyusa.com/bcm-a2x-extended-a2-flash-suppressor/) is long enough for a 14.5". My favorite go to flash hider is a White Sound FOSSA 5.56 but apparently they are currently unobtanium, might give them a call and see if they have a time frame on availability.
FCD 6315KM is a good one if you want to stay with the same device if you are after a DA silencer. does a good job on flash and impressive job on keeping the muzzle flat. Or the DA 3 prong Flash Hider.
the Surefire 3 prong, Warcomp, CTN and CTN Warcomp are also good if you want to switch.
I use one of 2 for nearly every rifle.
- A2
- JPFH-556L derived from the BE Meyers M249F JP purchased the IP to develop
FCD 6315KM is a good one if you want to stay with the same device if you are after a DA silencer. does a good job on flash and impressive job on keeping the muzzle flat. Or the DA 3 prong Flash Hider.
the Surefire 3 prong, Warcomp, CTN and CTN Warcomp are also good if you want to switch.
I have several of these. They work as advertised, muzzle blast isn't any more noticeable than an A2, and provide the Keymo mount for my cans. I can't speak to how well they suppress flash, but suspect they're equivalent to an A2 in that respect as well.
-Rainman
Yes, the 6315 suppresses flash similar to an A2. If I needed a longer flash hider, but not necessarily a mount, I’d look at that, an A2X, YHM, or a WSD Fossa (unobtanium).
A2X is both cheapest and tied for best of available options, but I’m biased toward A2s. It has acceptable flash mitigation on a 14.5”, and also provides a small amount of muzzle rise compensation. If you don’t believe that, put one on a P90, and marvel at how the muzzle dips instead of rising.
OldGrayGuy
03-02-22, 18:58
I'm with Hush, not much better on the market that reduces flash than Vortex. Is long enough to meet the 16" requirement.
SEI Vortex is the king of kings.
titsonritz
03-03-22, 00:12
Isn't the Vortex one of those with that annoying ass tuning fork ring?
Another vote for the FCD 6315KM. Roger did a great job slightly improving the A2's performance and you get the mount for a can.
The YHM Phantom is a long-standing option that is well known to minimize flash effectively. I don’t have any right now, but mostly because I’ve kept A2’s to minimize length or put KeyMo mounts in place for suppressor use.
Isn't the Vortex one of those with that annoying ass tuning fork ring?
Yes, that is what they say. I have never heard it in twenty plus years of using them.
The YHM Phantom is a long-standing option that is well known to minimize flash effectively. I don’t have any right now, but mostly because I’ve kept A2’s to minimize length or put KeyMo mounts in place for suppressor use.
Same, except I use Plan A instead of Keymo. The YHM is one of the best closed tined flash hiders around for flash mitigation, I just don’t use them because A2s and mounts.
Roger…..please, please make us some Plan A 6315s.
that Plan A on a 6315 would be sweet
You all a speaking another language. :jester:
Green 18! Green 18! Omaha! Plan B!!
You all a speaking another language. :jester:
Green 18! Green 18! Omaha! Plan B!!
HIKE!
https://www.silencershop.com/griffin-plan-a.html
https://www.griffinarmament.com/accessories/muzzle-devices/taper-mount-muzzle-devices/
It only adds .2” to the mounted length of your can vs the 1.5” of Keymo. Much less weight. Available in a large variety of thread pitches and muzzle devices, like Keymo. Costs way less. Way less.
Yes, that is what they say. I have never heard it in twenty plus years of using them.
I have an AAC Blackout pinned to a 14.5" barrel - it rings when I drop the bolt, but I don't notice it when firing.
Also have a YHM Phantom (sans teeth) - great and long FH.
Andy
Vortex is very GTG and generally my first choice. Similar designs from Surefire and Centurion Arms are also GTG.
Interesting to see how much the old Vortex still pops up.
Interesting to see how much the old Vortex still pops up.
It's hard to beat, especially when considering how effective of a flash hider it is with how affordable it is.
I bought a few of The G6 Vortex model with no complaints....
6315KM-L will take a 13.9" to over 16.1". We'll be releasing it in 2 weeks :)
https://www.forwardcontrolsdesign.com/assets/images/IMG_0268.jpeg
6315KM-L will take a 13.9" to over 16.1". We'll be releasing it in 2 weeks :)
https://www.forwardcontrolsdesign.com/assets/images/IMG_0268.jpeg
This is excellent. Thanks for being awesome.
I just ordered the 6315KM. Thanks for everyone's feedback.
6315KM-L took a long time to come about, I never wanted to make one. Primary Arms wanted us to make a long muzzle device for their 13.9" barrels, and they opted for the long 125KM brake, we continued the 6315KM Long development.
6315KM-L development took a surprisingly long time. Todd Magee at Dead Air and I worked on the length of the ports, he didn't want the ports to be too close to the first baffle, we redesigned the ports and their location so the 5 ports with the directed jets of gas won't prematurely erode and needlessly accelerate wear inside the can.
Which happens to result in a muzzle device that looks as though it was always meant to be this long. We spent no time and resources on aesthetics, everything on it is function driven.
6315KM-L took a long time to come about, I never wanted to make one. Primary Arms wanted us to make a long muzzle device for their 13.9" barrels, and they opted for the long 125KM brake, we continued the 6315KM Long development.
6315KM-L development took a surprisingly long time. Todd Magee at Dead Air and I worked on the length of the ports, he didn't want the ports to be too close to the first baffle, we redesigned the ports and their location so the 5 ports with the directed jets of gas won't prematurely erode and needlessly accelerate wear inside the can.
Which happens to result in a muzzle device that looks as though it was always meant to be this long. We spent no time and resources on aesthetics, everything on it is function driven.
I can understand why you didn’t want to do that. I, too, hate long devices on short barrels, except cans, of course. I’m not sure how it became such a fad.
Thats super interesting about the jets. You’ve seen my pics of evidence that the 6315 redirects gas to make a cool pattern; never would expect that to cut baffles, though.
And I know you’re tired of hearing about it, and it may not be possible, but…..Plan A, please.
I have a Dead Air muzzle brake on my Noveske 14.5 Afghan. It has a little too much concussion for my taste. Can someone recommend a flash hider that will keep the barrel at 16+ and reduces concussion? I don't think an A2 bird cage is long enough.
Thanks
Dead air flash hider.
Surefires FH work well, or vortex, or A2x (cheapest).
Surefure has a non- mount fh that is like $60
6315KM-L will take a 13.9" to over 16.1". We'll be releasing it in 2 weeks :)
https://www.forwardcontrolsdesign.com/assets/images/IMG_0268.jpeg
What is the bore diameter of this? Will 9mm fit?
6315KM, 6315KM-L, 6310KM and 6310KM-L all share the same bore size of 0.338, none will work with 9mm.
6315KM-S, 9mm, 1/2x28 and 6315KM-S, 9mm, 1/2x36 are bored for 9mm, both are Key Micro devices designed for 9mm :)
https://www.forwardcontrolsdesign.com/assets/images/IMG_0297.jpeg
6315KM, 6315KM-L, 6310KM and 6310KM-L all share the same bore size of 0.338, none will work with 9mm.
6315KM-S, 9mm, 1/2x28 and 6315KM-S, 9mm, 1/2x36 are bored for 9mm, both are Key Micro devices designed for 9mm :)
https://www.forwardcontrolsdesign.com/assets/images/IMG_0297.jpeg
awesome. looking for something Keymod for my m11/9 and an AK. Might have to go with the 'S' for the MG!
looking at JMACs offerings for the AK, but I'm leaning towards a FH, so thanks for listing those out.
Rifle Dynamics uses 6315KM on a run of AKs they're doing, as long as your barrel has the shoulders to support it, 6415KM will work and look dang nice doing it :)
TacticalSpeed
03-07-22, 20:31
Smith Vortex or YHM
Just finished a 10.5 inch pistol build. Used a YHM Phantom flash hider, in complete moonless darkness had no flash signature. While I do use hearing protection concussion wasn’t noticeably different from a 16 inch barrel with an A2 flash hider.
titsonritz
03-08-22, 20:28
awesome. looking for something Keymod for my m11/9 and an AK. Might have to go with the 'S' for the MG!
looking at JMACs offerings for the AK, but I'm leaning towards a FH, so thanks for listing those out.
Rifle Dynamics uses 6315KM on a run of AKs they're doing, as long as your barrel has the shoulders to support it, 6415KM will work and look dang nice doing it :)
This caught me interest. I have an SAR-1 I want to thread, I was just going with standard M14x1 LH and throw on a Vortex AK FH, but now you guys got me thinking (dangerous). Can my barrel be threaded for 1/2x28 or do they start with an AK-74 M24x1.5 RH and turn it down?
ETA: Also, is he using the 6315KM on 7.62x39 guns or just 5.45/5.56 guns?
My SAR1 is currently getting threaded 1/2x28 for a 6315. Dunno yet if it’ll fly with a can.
titsonritz
03-08-22, 20:45
My SAR1 is currently getting threaded 1/2x28 for a 6315. Dunno yet if it’ll fly with a can.
Cool thanks for info. What are you thinking would stop it?
Cool thanks for info. What are you thinking would stop it?
Dunno. I kinda just lack trust in AKs. Gunsmith swears the threads will be concentric to the bore. I’ve got a .458 can, so we’ll see.
titsonritz
03-08-22, 21:06
Dunno. I kinda just lack trust in AKs. Gunsmith swears the threads will be concentric to the bore. I’ve got a .458 can, so we’ll see.
LOL, gotcha. Yeah, concentricity would be a pretty big bonus.
Cool thanks for info. What are you thinking would stop it?
LOL, gotcha. Yeah, concentricity would be a pretty big bonus.
He’s got my Saiga 74, also, so hopefully that one at least will be straight enough.
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