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Yep, yet another Ukraine thread. Hopefully, this one doesn't end up in a dumpster Fire.
So, last week Ukrainian President Zelenskyy made a call for western volunteers to join the newly created International Legion of Territorial Defense of Ukraine. I will admit to being sorely tempted by the offer, and it appears that they're getting a pretty large response. Sorry for the YouTube spam, but they're different reports of Americans, Brits, Germans, and even some Thai democracy advocates volunteering to go and fight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6cGBFInFs4
More videos, including more than a few interviews with the guys going:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMjNVJyRzdo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTa_cIj1b4o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIXRMP97m0Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAQa8OLr9sg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_9vXtKjwX0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDykv_pgIJg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWbMsUrOTfw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWjA_VmN8xc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukbQY5H-Ow0
While more than a few have military experience (some quite extensive), what I personally find interesting is how many folks I see in these reports, or in various online discussions like FB, Reddit, and Instagram, looking for information on how to join that have no military experience at all. I've already seen them called "LARPers", but one would think that actually going out and joining a fight would stop being "role play" unless active-duty soldiers are also LARPing.
One of the volunteers brings up the point as well, but this really seems like a modern-day Spanish Civil War, complete with our very own International Brigades. It didn't really end well for them, making me wonder how things will play out for these guys. The Russians have already threatened to not treat them as POWs, claiming they are mercenaries (rich coming from the guys sending in the Wagner Group):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOQEjq3WDT4
I guess time will tell, but this does strike me as an interesting way to learn the ins and outs of modern war. It'll also likely be interesting to see the fallout of this. Besides the short-term political consequences, what happens when these folks come home? I can think of a few groups that would likely love to have folks experienced in militia-based defense against a "near-peer" invading army join their ranks.
Yep, yet another Ukraine thread. Hopefully, this one doesn't end up in a dumpster Fire.
So, last week Ukrainian President Zelenskyy made a call for western volunteers to join the newly created International Legion of Territorial Defense of Ukraine. I will admit to being sorely tempted by the offer, and it appears that they're getting a pretty large response. Sorry for the YouTube spam, but they're different reports of Americans, Brits, Germans, and even some Thai democracy advocates volunteering to go and fight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6cGBFInFs4
More videos, including more than a few interviews with the guys going:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMjNVJyRzdo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTa_cIj1b4o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIXRMP97m0Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAQa8OLr9sg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_9vXtKjwX0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDykv_pgIJg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWbMsUrOTfw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWjA_VmN8xc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukbQY5H-Ow0
While more than a few have military experience (some quite extensive), what I personally find interesting is how many folks I see in these reports, or in various online discussions like FB, Reddit, and Instagram, looking for information on how to join that have no military experience at all. I've already seen them called "LARPers", but one would think that actually going out and joining a fight would stop being "role play" unless active-duty soldiers are also LARPing.
One of the volunteers brings up the point as well, but this really seems like a modern-day Spanish Civil War, complete with our very own International Brigades. It didn't really end well for them, making me wonder how things will play out for these guys. The Russians have already threatened to not treat them as POWs, claiming they are mercenaries (rich coming from the guys sending in the Wagner Group):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOQEjq3WDT4
I guess time will tell, but this does strike me as an interesting way to learn the ins and outs of modern war. It'll also likely be interesting to see the fallout of this. Besides the short-term political consequences, what happens when these folks come home? I can think of a few groups that would likely love to have folks experienced in militia-based defense against a "near-peer" invading army join their ranks.
I'm sure Ukraine will take care or the ones who are crippled and maimed from putting their life on the line for them?
I have seen the name 'Ukraine Foreign Legion' thrown around I think?
Good on them for looking at all options to stay in the fight.
From what little I have seen the requirements to actually go and fight are extensive and require proof of mil/LE experience with things like school certificates, diplomas, dd-214, etc.
As for the 'LARPers' or social media warriors, it's easy to say you'll go if you have never been shot at, cold, hungry, exhausted, etc. I am not sure that crowd understands it's not a SEAL experience camp for adults.
I'm sure Ukraine will take care or the ones who are crippled and maimed from putting their life on the line for them?
I think some of these guys are “still on duty”, wink wink.
SOME will likely be taken care of by their own governments.
Others will be screwed.
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Makes total sense that the actual Ukrainian military would only want trained experienced volunteers. Language barrier is bad enough, plus a wide range of skill/operational methodology even amongst professionals. "Call of duty" gamer heroes that are gonna bolt at the first random fart in the dark? Yeah, no.
If it were me dealing with an inexperienced "volunteer"? I'd strip what gear he managed to come with that was worth a crap. Mebbie toss him an old AK and point him in the direction of the neighborhood watch. I mean dafuq right, he might get lucky.
But mix him in with my guys? Oh hell no.
Business_Casual
03-07-22, 10:58
I have seen the name 'Ukraine Foreign Legion' thrown around I think?
Good on them for looking at all options to stay in the fight.
From what little I have seen the requirements to actually go and fight are extensive and require proof of mil/LE experience with things like school certificates, diplomas, dd-214, etc.
As for the 'LARPers' or social media warriors, it's easy to say you'll go if you have never been shot at, cold, hungry, exhausted, etc. I am not sure that crowd understands it's not a SEAL experience camp for adults.
Didn’t that guy with the funny mustache recruit foreign brigades back in the 40s too? One of them was Ukrainian.
Also Yeager put up a video about it but I haven’t seen it yet. And, no, I’m not connecting the two thoughts in any way.
FromMyColdDeadHand
03-07-22, 11:26
Ukrainians have guns, and they have bodies, outside of getting some “former“ mil people to help them with advanced weapons and tactics, I don’t know what even a regular soldier would be able to add? No, the best thing we could probably do in the west is to mob and shame the oligarchs and their kids that are holding out in western countries to make it uncomfortable for them so that they put pressure on Putin.
So far this is playing out all within the borders of Ukraine. If the Russians start to go full Chechnya on those Ukrainian cities, I wonder how long it is until there are direct action teams attacking Russian interests globally. Right now the Ukrainians are winning the propaganda war, what is this Greines on and the level of western involvement is set, the more it becomes less important to have sympathy on your side.
When this started, I saw how this realpolitik is a threat to the Thomas Friedman New World order way of seeing things. I joked that you have to pollmthe Polish to see if they’re more worried about a 6 inch rise in sea level in 100 years or 6 feet of Russian showing up in 100 days. Going on how the Russians have been doing in Ukraine, the real Reality for Poland may be that the Russians aren’t 6 feet tall, their stacks 6 feet high.
Ukrainians have guns, and they have bodies, outside of getting some “former“ mil people to help them with advanced weapons and tactics, I don’t know what even a regular soldier would be able to add?..........
That's kinda where I'm at with this as well. If I wanted to get my barely-skilled ass shot off for free, I can stay home, plenty to do right here.
That and, given the current year, there are a lot of people that want to fight somebody, but also they want to be seen as righteous, or simply have no clue where to point first. This makes it "easy mode" - a cause "The Watching World" sees as righteous, and the enemy already picked out for them.
Kinda reminds me of the all the fervor a few years back with the Kurds.
Now, I have no problem with people that want to go over to UKR and help bonk Ruskies, I just don't really see the point, unless it became some sort of vastly more organized thing than a trickle of randoms showing up here and there. It is easy to see that UKR isn't entirely "standing alone against the invading horde" - they're getting tons of support from all over the world. Between that, and probably "advisors" showing up at some point, they seem to have their shit handled for now.
I could see this foreign volunteer project as more justified if EU/US/etc had been seen to turn a blind eye as a whole and totally abandon them.
Now if they can set something up with Viking River Cruises I could be down for it.
Tour up the Dnepr. Shore excursions to shoot rooskies, then back aboard for the afternoon buffet. ;)
Perhaps I spoke a little to soon;
Here's a link from Military Times about joining the UKR foreign legion. Apparently they are indeed, only interested in (officially) accepting fighters with previous combat experience/mil service/etc., and it seems you also need to supply all your own gear. So, I guess a lot of internet folks interested are SOL anyway.
https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/ukraine/2022/02/27/want-to-go-fight-for-ukraine-heres-what-to-do/?fbclid=IwAR33JLNhey2PD4YiusIbkev2bUFKVH-vdUbiOqAVURPwcVqKtuEEw0hBzkw
From distant memory I recall something about it being illegal for a US citizen to fight for a foreign flag. Dating back to the '70s and African bush wars.
Such that if you wanted to go fight as an (effective) "mercenary" you had to renounce US citizenship or face legal penalties when you returned. And then had to reapply for citizenship, with some challenges due to your past history.
Maybe that has changed. Maybe the card situation was a little bit different because it was not a foreign flag?
From distant memory I recall something about it being illegal for a US citizen to fight for a foreign flag. Dating back to the '70s and African bush wars.
Such that if you wanted to go fight as an (effective) "mercenary" you had to renounce US citizenship or face legal penalties when you returned. And then had to reapply for citizenship, with some challenges due to your past history.
Maybe that has changed. Maybe the card situation was a little bit different because it was not a foreign flag?
It costs $2350 to renounce your US citizenship. That has always cracked me up.
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An American can enlist in a foreign military without losing citizenship. Plenty of Americans have served in the IDF and the French foreign legion.
Unless you enlist to fight the US it's NBD. Serving as an officer might have more ramification, but there needs to be an intent to renounce citizenship.
You can also contract privately of course.
Hell they didn't even revoke citizenship for Johnnie Taliban.
Cudo's for those that volunteer for other peoples wars, but this thing is going to go off the rails and burn NATO to the ground.
NATO is not treating this with the seriousness it requires, they should declare Ukraine a NATO member retroactively and get
on with the war as a united force, because if they don't they will do it later in one's and two's as Russia continues their war
against Europe and the FUSA.
From distant memory I recall something about it being illegal for a US citizen to fight for a foreign flag. Dating back to the '70s and African bush wars.
Such that if you wanted to go fight as an (effective) "mercenary" you had to renounce US citizenship or face legal penalties when you returned. And then had to reapply for citizenship, with some challenges due to your past history.
Maybe that has changed. Maybe the card situation was a little bit different because it was not a foreign flag?
If I'm not mistaken most countries have pretty severe criminal penalties for mercenary work. There are various technicalities, like money being involved or not. Though in some cases even crossing the border with intent to participate in an armed conflict is enough to land you in jail for a long time. Regardless of a role (like doctor/nurse), money, or side you plan to fight on.
Penalties have significantly increased in the last 20 years to deter and easily detain people planning to join terrorist organizations before or after they get on a battlefield.
I've also heard that you can loose your citizenship for just joining (let alone fighting for) another army as you have to give pledge of allegiance to that country. I haven't heard of any actual cases though.
If they’re only taking “experienced” individuals, it could be interesting. I find it more likely that some would-be jihadis and Y’allquaeda attempt to gain experience.
They should read about how the “good guy” democratically-elected socialist government of Spain treated their international fighters.
For all those that advocate going to war with Russia, here's your chance ! Go for it !
The Dumb Gun Collector
03-07-22, 19:10
https://youtu.be/LlLWW99yu1o
Trigger warning: not Russian propaganda
For all those that advocate going to war with Russia, here's your chance ! Go for it !
To whom, are you addressing this message?
For all those that advocate going to war with Russia, here's your chance ! Go for it !
Exactly.
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For all those that advocate going to war with Russia, here's your chance ! Go for it !
Well, nobody here is advocating for that. But you just go ahead and keep on tilting at windmills all you like there Don Quixote
Nope...not that young..not military...I would be cannon fodder
Business_Casual
03-07-22, 20:49
https://youtu.be/LlLWW99yu1o
Trigger warning: not Russian propaganda
So which is he? Retired Major General or Sergeant?
Business_Casual
03-07-22, 20:51
Cudo's for those that volunteer for other peoples wars, but this thing is going to go off the rails and burn NATO to the ground.
NATO is not treating this with the seriousness it requires, they should declare Ukraine a NATO member retroactively and get
on with the war as a united force, because if they don't they will do it later in one's and two's as Russia continues their war
against Europe and the FUSA.
Um, no. Declaring Ukraine a NATO member would ignite WWIII.
Countries have to be sovereign to be admitted into nato. You can’t retroactively add a country that’s in the middle of a war, that’s just ridiculous.
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The Dumb Gun Collector
03-07-22, 21:41
I guess they are having difficulty booking their flight to Moscow?
Well, nobody here is advocating for that. But you just go ahead and keep on tilting at windmills all you like there Don Quixote
This Ukraine thing sure got the counselor to come out of the courtroom and play. He's everywhere, he's everywhere.
I guess they are having difficulty booking their flight to Moscow?
Who is “they”?
The Dumb Gun Collector
03-07-22, 22:03
Um, no. Declaring Ukraine a NATO member would ignite WWIII.
This I actually do agree with.
An American can enlist in a foreign military without losing citizenship. Plenty of Americans have served in the IDF and the French foreign legion.
Unless you enlist to fight the US it's NBD. Serving as an officer might have more ramification, but there needs to be an intent to renounce citizenship.
You can also contract privately of course.
Hell they didn't even revoke citizenship for Johnnie Taliban.Yep, actually found the US code and also the state department verbiage on this.
It is still technically illegal, punishable by fines and up to 3 years.
But a court also found that US citizenship cannot be stripped. So comments are correct, you would not be stripped of citizenship.
The above is contingent or not fighting against the US, and there are also appears to be more severe treatment if you serve in an officer in the foreign army.
In any case, it does appear that things are much more relaxed than what I remembered.
So which is he? Retired Major General or Sergeant?
Pretty sure that's the same guy that's done several interviews. He was a Sergeant with the 101st. Made my 82nd Airborne blood boil when they referred to him as a paratrooper in another interview.
Maybe he's been to jump school, I don't know. But being from the 101st doesn't mean he's a paratrooper.
(end inter-army Airborne rivalry rant)
Yep, actually found the US code and also the state department verbiage on this.
It is still technically illegal, punishable by fines and up to 3 years.
But a court also found that US citizenship cannot be stripped. So comments are correct, you would not be stripped of citizenship.
The above is contingent or not fighting against the US, and there are also appears to be more severe treatment if you serve in an officer in the foreign army.
In any case, it does appear that things are much more relaxed than what I remembered.
Interesting. I've not heard much talk about this, nor any recent examples of guys that fought with the Kurds or in the Donbas facing prosecution. The biggest issue I've seen discussed is possible ITAR restrictions, but even that is muddied by this, which says it's fine to take a set of body armor, helmet, and gas mask overseas for personal use.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/22/123.17
Register your body armor, helmet, for sure guns with U.S.Customs before you leave and your good to go but you must bring the items back with you. have done this more times than I can count, funny thing only once was I asked to produce the document on return to the USA.
sandsunsurf
03-08-22, 23:26
The question I have is can you land in Warsaw with guns and ammo? What about layovers in other international airports with those items, even if checked? What about suppressors? And what happens if you don’t bring them back?
The question I have is can you land in Warsaw with guns and ammo? What about layovers in other international airports with those items, even if checked? What about suppressors? And what happens if you don’t bring them back?
I have only had an issue once with a lay over, in Copenhagen.
The police pulled my bags and I got called into an office and they demanded that I open the bag. I refused saying my bag is in airline custody and that I have no authority to open it, They kept pushing until I told them F off and that I wanted to call the USA embassy. They then said I could go. I left the office, made my way back to the waiting area. When I got to my destination, I collected my 10.9 pounds of ammo, rifle, pistol, etc.
I have only had an issue once with a lay over, in Copenhagen.
The police pulled my bags and I got called into an office and they demanded that I open the bag. I refused saying my bag is in airline custody and that I have no authority to open it, They kept pushing until I told them F off and that I wanted to call the USA embassy. They then said I could go. I left the office, made my way back to the waiting area. When I got to my destination, I collected my 10.9 pounds of ammo, rifle, pistol, etc.
Wow! That’s awesome!
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ThirdWatcher
03-09-22, 06:40
Half the population is below average in intelligence. IIRC, there were people that wanted to serve in the Army after 9/11 but didn’t understand why they would have to go to BCT (& AIT) first. I guess they’d be good at clearing mine fields in a hurry but that’s about it...
Averageman
03-09-22, 07:04
Half the population is below average in intelligence. IIRC, there were people that wanted to serve in the Army after 9/11 but didn’t understand why they would have to go to BCT (& AIT) first. I guess they’d be good at clearing mine fields in a hurry but that’s about it...
As a former Army recruiter; There are entire area's in this Country that have such terrible schools that clearly 25% couldn't pass the ASVAB.
As a former Army recruiter; There are entire area's in this Country that have such terrible schools that clearly 25% couldn't pass the ASVAB.
Here.....Hold ma beer.
Averageman
03-09-22, 07:23
Here.....Hold ma beer.
And 40% are too fat.
I found these photos on Reddit. As far as I can tell, these seem to be the first photos of the International Legion, and not reused photos of prior volunteer units (like the Georgian National Legion)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNQ6v5HXEAIH_Op?format=jpg&name=large
https://i.redd.it/f74upyklmul81.jpg
The first photo claims to include "fighters from the US, Mexico, India, Sweden, and more" while the second has a volunteer from Brazil.
Interesting to see the relative uniformity of the first group; I would have expected far more variation in uniform, weapons, and equipment. Definitely didn't expect to see the FNCs, but I guess these are some of the weapons Belgium gave to Ukraine along with ammo.
EDIT: Just ran across this story and thought it was worth sharing. A British soldier may have gone AWOL to join the fight in Ukraine. Guess he hated garrison life even more than I did.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-60675671
Questionable why anyone from Mexico or Brazil would want to join a war in Ukraine. They have nicer climates and full combat zones right there in their own countries. They can have a combat duty let's put it this way - "without leaving the comfort of their home"
Questionable why anyone from Mexico or Brazil would want to join a war in Ukraine. They have nicer climates and full combat zones right there in their own countries. They can have a combat duty let's put it this way - "without leaving the comfort of their home"Probably less chainsaws to the face if/when captured.
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ThirdWatcher
03-10-22, 02:34
As a former Army recruiter; There are entire area's in this Country that have such terrible schools that clearly 25% couldn't pass the ASVAB.
I have no doubt. Quitting HS and enlisting in the Army was probably the best decision I ever made. I am still reaping the benefits and God Bless my Army Recruiter, he got me exactly what I needed.
Volunteers going to the Ukraine to fight is peak Darwinism.
FriendlyStranger
03-10-22, 15:16
Volunteers going to the Ukraine to fight is peak Darwinism.
Look at the bright side: if they survive and return, then that's hundreds of Canadians with good combat experience that understand the importance of a well armed population.
So many Canadian fighters in Ukraine, they have their own battalion, source says
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/exclusive-so-many-canadian-fighters-in-ukraine-they-have-their-own-battalion-source-says
https://i.postimg.cc/tJZ1hr2c/Can-UKR-insignia.png
https://youtu.be/ktSPMzKqVPo
Averageman
03-11-22, 04:57
I have no doubt. Quitting HS and enlisting in the Army was probably the best decision I ever made. I am still reaping the benefits and God Bless my Army Recruiter, he got me exactly what I needed.
Me too.
I was a general laborer and farm and ranch mostly and I certainly didn't want to chop weeds from between cotton rows anymore and I owned no land to work for myself.
Now Iam retired from both the Army and General Dynamics, gravy baby, it's all gravy now.
I found these
Kinda feels like to me that those are all “off duty” Belgian soldiers. Hence the FNCs. I’ve heard the Uks are giving uniforms to volunteers. In the picture with the Brazilian, the guy to the viewers left is Portuguese and I wonder if the guy in the middle isn’t Brazilian also.
[QUOTE=FriendlyStranger;3018493]Look at the bright side: if they survive and return, then that's hundreds of Canadians with good combat experience that understand the importance of a well armed population.
So many Canadian fighters in Ukraine, they have their own battalion, source says
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/exclusive-so-many-canadian-fighters-in-ukraine-they-have-their-own-battalion-source-says
https://i.postimg.cc/tJZ1hr2c/Can-UKR-insignia.png
I wonder if Tim Horton's will set up a shop there too?
The FNC picture was put out by FN after they delivered a bunch of rifles to the Ukranians.
I wonder if Tim Horton's will set up a shop there too?
That so called coffee of theirs is a bio weapon. Ugh.
FriendlyStranger
03-11-22, 10:51
I wonder if Tim Horton's will set up a shop there too?
I wouldn't be surprised if it crossed their minds lol
https://i.cbc.ca/1.1962696.1381464955!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_940/hi-tim-hortons-kandahar.jpg
Averageman
03-11-22, 12:44
That so called coffee of theirs is a bio weapon. Ugh.
I'm sure we can dust off a few "Green Bean" Coffee kiosks, or did they leave them all in Iraq?
I'm sure we can dust off a few "Green Bean" Coffee kiosks, or did they leave them all in Iraq?
They have a couple in DJ. Pretty nice, actually, and this time the wifi is free.
So many Canadian fighters in Ukraine, they have their own battalion, source says
Ukraine is 1.5x size of Iraq. Ukrainians are trying to flee the country. Though western part does not seem to be affected by fighting at all. Males are prohibited from leaving. Those who have the money are paying bribes $1.5k-$5k per person to Ukrainian border guards to let them out of Ukraine into bordering countries.
I'm pretty sure Russians are monitoring and possibly targeting traffic/transport going from West to East.
I honestly think that all those foreign volunteers won't get far from Western Ukraine into the actual hot combat zones.
IMHO, the biggest risk for them is not Russian army, but being robbed and/or taken hostage by a local militia with sizable ransom demands from their families or home countries.
Maybe they should take a note of what local population is doing...
The_War_Wagon
03-11-22, 16:08
I think some of these guys are “still on duty”, wink wink.
No better way to gauge the bear than firsthand reports
Look at the bright side: if they survive and return, then that's hundreds of Canadians with good combat experience that understand the importance of a well armed population.
So many Canadian fighters in Ukraine, they have their own battalion, source says
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/exclusive-so-many-canadian-fighters-in-ukraine-they-have-their-own-battalion-source-says
https://i.postimg.cc/tJZ1hr2c/Can-UKR-insignia.png
It looks like they are getting some high profile, or at least stand-out volunteers from the Great White north joining as well.
https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/first-isis-now-putin-elite-sniper-iraq-war-veteran-takes-arms-ukraine
Maybe they should take a note of what local population is doing...
Considering the numbers of ex-pat Ukrainians returning home to fight, they kinda are.
And I've seen more than one person talk about volunteers likely being kidnapped or having their gear stolen; does anyone have an example of that, or is that just the latest boogeyman being trotted out? It seems possible, but certainly unlikely given that volunteers have been fighting over there for 8 years now, and are grouped together based on language.
P2Vaircrewman
03-13-22, 08:05
A friend of mine son is married to a Ukcrainian woman and she received word that her parents home was damaged by shelling although no one was hurt. He was a combat engineer in Nam and if it weren't for his age and health he would be willing to go.
https://i.redd.it/0ecusldgfgn81.jpg
Found this elsewhere, don't know the validity of it, but it would make sense. Looks like the largest contingent of volunteers come from the United States, unsurprisingly. Be curious to know how true this remains after the new-ness of the issue wears off, and people really get involved in the fighting.
Now, for the bad news coming out of Ukraine. Since we're finally seeing guys get in-country, we're also seeing claims of "it's a trap" or "they're using us as cannon fodder!" Very little verifiable information, naturally, but it is worth noting in the interest of fairness, at least. One video, in particular, seems to be being shared quite frequently.
https://www.tiktok.com/@drknestheelite/video/7075438906459819310?_d=secCgYIASAHKAESPgo83WYXt6dosioa5Cs4ifweHSYpRwy0oEiokmww9lio%2FEQ4KtEgCAdOr5%2BuJdehCwGbA8w%2BDifR0b93vxdMGgA%3D&_r=1&checksum=50a8f3c86cc8421c9f4f61630416cad04673c8f61b406c2fb2ad8f3057f85e13&language=en&preview_pb=0&sec_user_id=MS4wLjABAAAAvsola1Mr66GL1dla5BBr-GmBlFqBZro5ZGwD_-9AHFbH4BvrB-zIJ7zZYsZBe_0t&share_app_id=1233&share_item_id=7075438906459819310&share_link_id=BA5BC9DD-7201-4B21-A116-148A3D7C36F4&social_sharing=v2&source=h5_m×tamp=1647408661&tt_from=facebook&u_code=db50fd695l2e6m&user_id=6798325679847965702&utm_campaign=client_share&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=facebook
Now, I personally have a hard time buying all of this, and he does seem to make more than a few inconsistent claims (guys not having kit being sent to the front, but those same guys having to dump their kit to get out of the country for instance). To me, it came off as a series of exaggerated claims used to justify him leaving the country. According to multiple folks on other social media sites (so take their claims for what little they're worth) this guy was rejected from applying due to no military experience and him expressing white supremacist views. Of course, there are the normal claims as well that this is Russian propaganda or that anyone refuting what he's saying is just spreading Ukrainian propaganda. Yay, the fog of war.
Here's another article that talks a bit about the same attack, with a slightly more positive bent to it.
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/american-army-veteran-ukraine/
I find it interesting that at least a few folks are leaving after their first taste of indirect fire; what did they expect? People have been talking about the problems of insurgency/colonial war veterans facing a near-peer threat for the first time, but indirect fire, from mortars up to rockets and IRAMs, were daily threats on a couple of my deployments. Precision-guided munitions are certainly a step up, but I wouldn't think they were the uber-scary thing that would send guys running home.
EDIT: I found a source, claiming to be with the Georgian National Legion, that talks about the video above, and reiterates the points made against it. Namely, most of it was false, and the guy failed the vetting process and was sent home. In retaliation, he made this video to muddy the issue. Here's the video, both parts 1&2:
https://twitter.com/KassyDillon/status/1503818738264682504
EDIT2: Also found this article talking about the guy in the first video. It links him to the Boogaloo Bois, as well as other groups. Not sure if those connections alone were enough to get him rejected, or not.
https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2022/03/06/ohio-veteran-henry-hoeft-heading-ukraine-fight-russia-legion/9376048002/
https://i.redd.it/0ecusldgfgn81.jpg
Found this elsewhere, don't know the validity of it, but it would make sense. Looks like the largest contingent of volunteers come from the United States, unsurprisingly. Be curious to know how true this remains after the new-ness of the issue wears off, and people really get involved in the fighting.
Now, for the bad news coming out of Ukraine. Since we're finally seeing guys get in-country, we're also seeing claims of "it's a trap" or "they're using us as cannon fodder!" Very little verifiable information, naturally, but it is worth noting in the interest of fairness, at least. One video, in particular, seems to be being shared quite frequently.
https://www.tiktok.com/@drknestheelite/video/7075438906459819310?_d=secCgYIASAHKAESPgo83WYXt6dosioa5Cs4ifweHSYpRwy0oEiokmww9lio%2FEQ4KtEgCAdOr5%2BuJdehCwGbA8w%2BDifR0b93vxdMGgA%3D&_r=1&checksum=50a8f3c86cc8421c9f4f61630416cad04673c8f61b406c2fb2ad8f3057f85e13&language=en&preview_pb=0&sec_user_id=MS4wLjABAAAAvsola1Mr66GL1dla5BBr-GmBlFqBZro5ZGwD_-9AHFbH4BvrB-zIJ7zZYsZBe_0t&share_app_id=1233&share_item_id=7075438906459819310&share_link_id=BA5BC9DD-7201-4B21-A116-148A3D7C36F4&social_sharing=v2&source=h5_m×tamp=1647408661&tt_from=facebook&u_code=db50fd695l2e6m&user_id=6798325679847965702&utm_campaign=client_share&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=facebook
Now, I personally have a hard time buying all of this, and he does seem to make more than a few inconsistent claims (guys not having kit being sent to the front, but those same guys having to dump their kit to get out of the country for instance). To me, it came off as a series of exaggerated claims used to justify him leaving the country. According to multiple folks on other social media sites (so take their claims for what little they're worth) this guy was rejected from applying due to no military experience and him expressing white supremacist views. Of course, there are the normal claims as well that this is Russian propaganda or that anyone refuting what he's saying is just spreading Ukrainian propaganda. Yay, the fog of war.
Here's another article that talks a bit about the same attack, with a slightly more positive bent to it.
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/american-army-veteran-ukraine/
I find it interesting that at least a few folks are leaving after their first taste of indirect fire; what did they expect? People have been talking about the problems of insurgency/colonial war veterans facing a near-peer threat for the first time, but indirect fire, from mortars up to rockets and IRAMs, were daily threats on a couple of my deployments. Precision-guided munitions are certainly a step up, but I wouldn't think they were the uber-scary thing that would send guys running home.
EDIT: I found a source, claiming to be with the Georgian National Legion, that talks about the video above, and reiterates the points made against it. Namely, most of it was false, and the guy failed the vetting process and was sent home. In retaliation, he made this video to muddy the issue. Here's the video, both parts 1&2:
https://twitter.com/KassyDillon/status/1503818738264682504
EDIT2: Also found this article talking about the guy in the first video. It links him to the Boogaloo Bois, as well as other groups. Not sure if those connections alone were enough to get him rejected, or not.
https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2022/03/06/ohio-veteran-henry-hoeft-heading-ukraine-fight-russia-legion/9376048002/
Whatever happened in that indirect fire strike that was just 12 miles inside of Ukraine from Poland? Initial reports claimed it was on a site where the Florida NG had been before the invasion, and they were targeting a muster point for foreign fighters, with 35 killed? https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/air-strike-launched-ukraine-military-base-near-polish-border-lviv-authorities-2022-03-13/
This is the most recent report I've seen on it, but it's 2 days old and you'd think there would've been more verification by now? Any US fighters killed? All I know is Ukraine needs to decentralize their muster points, along with munitions and fuel supplies. That was too ripe a target and easy pickings for Russia.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10610577/Ukraine-war-Putin-targeted-foreign-legion-strike-near-Poland.html
The risks of a mercenary/volunteer are evident and self-explanatory. Anyone recall when the Russian "mercenaries" took an ass-whooping in Syria a few years ago?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-russia-casualtie/russian-toll-in-syria-battle-was-300-killed-and-wounded-sources-idUSKCN1FZ2DZ
https://i.redd.it/0ecusldgfgn81.jpg
Found this elsewhere, don't know the validity of it, but it would make sense. Looks like the largest contingent of volunteers come from the United States, unsurprisingly. Be curious to know how true this remains after the new-ness of the issue wears off, and people really get involved in the fighting.
Now, for the bad news coming out of Ukraine. Since we're finally seeing guys get in-country, we're also seeing claims of "it's a trap" or "they're using us as cannon fodder!" Very little verifiable information, naturally, but it is worth noting in the interest of fairness, at least. One video, in particular, seems to be being shared quite frequently.
https://www.tiktok.com/@drknestheelite/video/7075438906459819310?_d=secCgYIASAHKAESPgo83WYXt6dosioa5Cs4ifweHSYpRwy0oEiokmww9lio%2FEQ4KtEgCAdOr5%2BuJdehCwGbA8w%2BDifR0b93vxdMGgA%3D&_r=1&checksum=50a8f3c86cc8421c9f4f61630416cad04673c8f61b406c2fb2ad8f3057f85e13&language=en&preview_pb=0&sec_user_id=MS4wLjABAAAAvsola1Mr66GL1dla5BBr-GmBlFqBZro5ZGwD_-9AHFbH4BvrB-zIJ7zZYsZBe_0t&share_app_id=1233&share_item_id=7075438906459819310&share_link_id=BA5BC9DD-7201-4B21-A116-148A3D7C36F4&social_sharing=v2&source=h5_m×tamp=1647408661&tt_from=facebook&u_code=db50fd695l2e6m&user_id=6798325679847965702&utm_campaign=client_share&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=facebook
Now, I personally have a hard time buying all of this, and he does seem to make more than a few inconsistent claims (guys not having kit being sent to the front, but those same guys having to dump their kit to get out of the country for instance). To me, it came off as a series of exaggerated claims used to justify him leaving the country. According to multiple folks on other social media sites (so take their claims for what little they're worth) this guy was rejected from applying due to no military experience and him expressing white supremacist views. Of course, there are the normal claims as well that this is Russian propaganda or that anyone refuting what he's saying is just spreading Ukrainian propaganda. Yay, the fog of war.
Here's another article that talks a bit about the same attack, with a slightly more positive bent to it.
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/american-army-veteran-ukraine/
I find it interesting that at least a few folks are leaving after their first taste of indirect fire; what did they expect? People have been talking about the problems of insurgency/colonial war veterans facing a near-peer threat for the first time, but indirect fire, from mortars up to rockets and IRAMs, were daily threats on a couple of my deployments. Precision-guided munitions are certainly a step up, but I wouldn't think they were the uber-scary thing that would send guys running home.
EDIT: I found a source, claiming to be with the Georgian National Legion, that talks about the video above, and reiterates the points made against it. Namely, most of it was false, and the guy failed the vetting process and was sent home. In retaliation, he made this video to muddy the issue. Here's the video, both parts 1&2:
https://twitter.com/KassyDillon/status/1503818738264682504
EDIT2: Also found this article talking about the guy in the first video. It links him to the Boogaloo Bois, as well as other groups. Not sure if those connections alone were enough to get him rejected, or not.
https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2022/03/06/ohio-veteran-henry-hoeft-heading-ukraine-fight-russia-legion/9376048002/
The guy arrived in West Ukraine with no gear whatsoever. He had never been in-country and didn't know what to expect, so he tried to group up with a localized militarized group instead of the actual Ukrainian Army, after being rejected from both the Ukrainian Army and the Georgian Legion, for extremist views. He failed their vetting processes.
As to the rest of the story, it seems he either made it up or was told this by non-official sources.
In any case, this was not a government treatment of him. I also don't feel sorry for anyone dumb enough to go into a warzone without gear and expect to welcomed with open arms.
Whatever happened in that indirect fire strike that was just 12 miles inside of Ukraine from Poland? Initial reports claimed it was on a site where the Florida NG had been before the invasion, and they were targeting a muster point for foreign fighters, with 35 killed? https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/air-strike-launched-ukraine-military-base-near-polish-border-lviv-authorities-2022-03-13/
This is the most recent report I've seen on it, but it's 2 days old and you'd think there would've been more verification by now? Any US fighters killed? All I know is Ukraine needs to decentralize their muster points, along with munitions and fuel supplies. That was too ripe a target and easy pickings for Russia.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10610577/Ukraine-war-Putin-targeted-foreign-legion-strike-near-Poland.html
I've not seen any updated info, but the normal explanation for centralizing the supply and muster points was the assumption that Russia wouldn't strike a target so close to the Polish border. I think we can all safely say that not only will they strike at such a target, but that the whole of Ukraine is a warzone and should be treated as such. I'd also hazard a guess that we can finally conlcude, once and for all, that this isn't a "minor incursion" either.
I've not seen any updated info, but the normal explanation for centralizing the supply and muster points was the assumption that Russia wouldn't strike a target so close to the Polish border. I think we can all safely say that not only will they strike at such a target, but that the whole of Ukraine is a warzone and should be treated as such. I'd also hazard a guess that we can finally conlcude, once and for all, that this isn't a "minor incursion" either.Perhaps......fiery but mostly a minor incursion?
Soli Deo Gloria
Did anybody mentioned in the past 7 pages that James Yeager made a video about packing and flying to Ukraine?
Inkslinger
03-17-22, 19:06
Did anybody mentioned in the past 7 pages that James Yeager made a video about packing and flying to Ukraine?
Hopefully they don’t let him drive in a convoy.
Did anybody mentioned in the past 7 pages that James Yeager made a video about packing and flying to Ukraine?
Dude looked to be in fairly poor state. I feel bad for him.
Did anybody mentioned in the past 7 pages that James Yeager made a video about packing and flying to Ukraine?
It was discussed on one of these threads.
Did anybody mentioned in the past 7 pages that James Yeager made a video about packing and flying to Ukraine?
He would make sure to talk to every single person he meets, military or civilian and berate them for not using glock 19. National TV should also give him an hourly program on daily prime time to drive this point home.
- "I don't care if you don't have anything to eat! Get a glock 19 and stop complaining!"
- "I don't care if you can't take a tank out with 2 javelins. You should have gotten a glock 19 in the first place. you dumb f_ck"
Ukrainians won't be better off. They would just learn an English phrase "glock nineteen" from a bold guy who looks like a Russian peasant and think he's promoting a new brand of vodka.
Did anybody mentioned in the past 7 pages that James Yeager made a video about packing and flying to Ukraine?
Hopefully he doesn’t get any one else killed in his, what I can only assume, suicide by russian troops plan is set into motion.
I’m guessing he’s attempting to undo his past by going down in a blaze of glory.
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Five_Point_Five_Six
03-18-22, 09:50
Hopefully he doesn’t get any one else killed in his, what I can only assume, suicide by russian troops plan is set into motion.
I’m guessing he’s attempting to undo his past by going down in a blaze of glory.
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The saloon scene from The Shootist comes to mind.
Adrenaline_6
03-18-22, 10:20
Hopefully he doesn’t get any one else killed in his, what I can only assume, suicide by russian troops plan is set into motion.
I’m guessing he’s attempting to undo his past by going down in a blaze of glory.
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From what I understand, he most likely has ALS. A sh*t way to die for anyone. He is only going to help train fighters...not fight. He wants to do as much as he can while he still can. I don't blame him really. Dying in Ukraine would be favorable for most anyone than being a prisoner in your own mind and waiting for your body to forget how to breathe.
From what I understand, he most likely has ALS. A sh*t way to die for anyone. He is only going to help train fighters...not fight. He wants to do as much as he can while he still can. I don't blame him really. Dying in Ukraine would be favorable for most anyone than being a prisoner in your own mind and waiting for your body to forget how to breathe.
ALS has taken a lifetime friend and a couple of others I've known. All military vets, who have much higher incidence for some reason.
It's an awful disease. As, let's just say, "controversial" as Yeager may be I still wouldn't wish it on him.
I’ve a friend that’s in Poland with two other guys joining up as we speak. He is being warned that Ukrainians are accusing others’ of being spies, assaulting them, taking their gear, and sending them out of the country. This is what he’s being told, anyway. He should be in Ukraine in the next couple days. I’ll report if anything else is said.
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Averageman
03-18-22, 11:59
I certainly would not be taken alive after volunteering.
I’ve a friend that’s in Poland with two other guys joining up as we speak. He is being warned that Ukrainians are causing others’ of being spies, assaulting them, taking their gear, and sending them out of the country. This is what he’s being told, anyway. He should be in Ukraine in the next couple days. I’ll report if anything else is said.
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These are mostly at local village checkpoints, ran by militias not part of the main Army. The problem is that so many people go into the country and don't realize that it has little infrastructure outside of the main cities. So you have these civvies and vets rolling over there, unprepared, going through these points and they encounter militarized checks.
Most of the guys I know of who got turned back didn't have proper documentation and/or weren't properly equipped, so the locals don't believe they're actually there to support then. Factor in that a majority of these places are poor and they take whatever equipment you do have for good measure.
So many people see videos of fighting in places like Kyiv and Kherson and don't realize that's literally only like 5-10% of the country. The remainder is literal villages who heat their homes using wood and travel by train to get anywhere.
I already can imagine the scenario - James Y. gets off the plane - everything is run down and bombed out. He jumps in a back of a pickup truck with his guys and gear and drives off; and setups up a position somewhere at the top of the hill overseeing a crazy assault on an airport. He starts engaging targets left and right while enemies run towards him speaking in a foreign and weird language. His team is piling bodies waist high and lobbing grenades into maddening crowds of enemies.
Then all the sudden somebody picks up a loudspeaker and says in a perfect English - "Attention James!!! Attention James!!! Please STOP. You haven't arrived yet. This is Poland. Please stop killing Ukrainian and Russian refugees. Polish Border Guards just wanted to help you with translation. I repeat - You haven't arrived to Ukraine yet. Please stop killing civilians"
Anyother reported photo of two American volunteers, this time armed with Czech VZ-58s. Interesting that the volunteers seem to be getting a lot of the small arms supplied as military aid. I'll be curious to see if the small arms the US end up in the hands of volunteers or Ukrainians.
https://i.redd.it/9aytan27e6o81.jpg
And another article on the International Legion. Seems like it's members are slowly getting into the fight, though the performance is unsurprisingly mixed at best.
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/ukraine-foreign-legion/
I've heard a few folks take issue with a few elements of this article, but as always I have no means of verifying it. Take it with the same grain of salt as the above photo.
ALS has taken a lifetime friend and a couple of others I've known. All military vets, who have much higher incidence for some reason.
It's an awful disease. As, let's just say, "controversial" as Yeager may be I still wouldn't wish it on him.
While the cause is unclear, considering all the crap vets are exposed to, both known and unknown, not that surprising.
I’d be happy to volunteer at our southern border to protect our people and nation. However volunteering to fight and die for a foreign country who is in bed with the Biden’s, the family who is literally destroying our country, hell no. We have plenty of problems to focus on here on our own soil. Let the chips fall where they may with this Russia and Ukraine situation. That’s none of my business.
Anyother reported photo of two American volunteers, this time armed with Czech VZ-58s.
I understand how a guy playing COD can to commit to this "adventure" willingly.
But I don't understand how a combat veteran who has seen f'ed up nature of war would want to abandon a quiet civilian live for a do-over repeat with a higher possibility of worse outcome? You really need to be messed up in your head big time to say "hell yea! I want a repeat experience"; or you need to have a superman complex thinking you can grow back your legs if you get blown up with a wrong assumption that somebody would medevac you out of there on a fully staffed medical helicopter.
60 Mins Ausi, much better than US 60 mins, just put up vid of volunteers of interest. It's a formulaic vid with a propaganda vibe, but interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQMKbn5WrB8
I understand how a guy playing COD can to commit to this "adventure" willingly.
But I don't understand how a combat veteran who has seen f'ed up nature of war would want to abandon a quiet civilian live for a do-over repeat with a higher possibility of worse outcome? You really need to be messed up in your head big time to say "hell yea! I want a repeat experience"; or you need to have a superman complex thinking you can grow back your legs if you get blown up with a wrong assumption that somebody would medevac you out of there on a fully staffed medical helicopter.
I've seen that explained in many different ways. Generally boils down to a lot of veterans seeing this at a chance of redemption, either from imagined failings in their service or from the entire nature of fighting as the occupying force. Here's a chance with a clear cut, good vs evil, invaded people vs invading armies war that people can "invest" themselves in. It certainly is appealing, and the fact that things aren't quite that black and white do little to negate the appeal.
Personally, I will also say that I'm projecting a lot onto the Ukrainians; Ukraine shares more than a bit of similarity to Kansas, from the Sunflowers and terrain to the agriculture and "vibe" of the people. Hell, even the fluff stories and pictures of people rescuing cats or the story of a young boy disappointed when he couldn't join the army to fight strike home with me. Unlike places like Syria, Yemen, or Africa, (or Iraq, Haiti, and Djibouti, where I was), these stories strike a chord with me. It's probably more propaganda and imagination than fact, a result of too many years watching Red Dawn, and feeling like modern military service is a waste of time. The cultural divide between them and us is far greater than I can imagine. That still doesn't mean a hill of beans when you joined the army to fight and help people, and here's a country crying out for that kind of help.
Or people could just be war junkies or have played too much CoD. Who knows?
60 Mins Ausi, much better than US 60 mins, just put up vid of volunteers of interest. It's a formulaic vid with a propaganda vibe, but interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQMKbn5WrB8
Good video. They used a lot of stock footage for the training, as a fair amount of that was from before the current invasion started, but the interviews were good.
I've seen that explained in many different ways. Generally boils down to a lot of veterans seeing this at a chance of redemption, either from imagined failings in their service or from the entire nature of fighting as the occupying force. Here's a chance with a clear cut, good vs evil, invaded people vs invading armies war that people can "invest" themselves in. It certainly is appealing, and the fact that things aren't quite that black and white do little to negate the appeal.
Personally, I will also say that I'm projecting a lot onto the Ukrainians; Ukraine shares more than a bit of similarity to Kansas, from the Sunflowers and terrain to the agriculture and "vibe" of the people. Hell, even the fluff stories and pictures of people rescuing cats or the story of a young boy disappointed when he couldn't join the army to fight strike home with me. Unlike places like Syria, Yemen, or Africa, (or Iraq, Haiti, and Djibouti, where I was), these stories strike a chord with me. It's probably more propaganda and imagination than fact, a result of too many years watching Red Dawn, and feeling like modern military service is a waste of time. The cultural divide between them and us is far greater than I can imagine. That still doesn't mean a hill of beans when you joined the army to fight and help people, and here's a country crying out for that kind of help.
Or people could just be war junkies or have played too much CoD. Who knows?
All good points.
I understand how a guy playing COD can to commit to this "adventure" willingly.
But I don't understand how a combat veteran who has seen f'ed up nature of war would want to abandon a quiet civilian live for a do-over repeat with a higher possibility of worse outcome? You really need to be messed up in your head big time to say "hell yea! I want a repeat experience"; or you need to have a superman complex thinking you can grow back your legs if you get blown up with a wrong assumption that somebody would medevac you out of there on a fully staffed medical helicopter.
Have you ever been in combat as a soldier?
Found this brief story of some American volunteers. I guess they hit a mine and were injured in the blast, but were evacuated by the Ukrainian military.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/tje6x0/small_documentary_of_american_volunteers_who_have/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
Averageman
03-22-22, 17:29
This looks bad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_D2D6YoVT0
This looks bad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_D2D6YoVT0
So he volunteered to fight the rus, then turned tail and ran when the rus fought him?
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Inkslinger
03-22-22, 19:22
So he volunteered to fight the rus, then turned tail and ran when the rus fought him?
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And then had some time to think about it. “I survived that, I got this! Put me back in.” He’ll be in for a rude awakening after the rush of a near death experience wears off.
Business_Casual
03-22-22, 19:27
I find it to be amazing that the story of this guy is accepted at face value because he outdoors wearing a DPM uniform (possibly surplus) and has an accent. Additionally, we are simultaneously to believe that Russian troops are completely incompetent but also able to chase out foreign troops with a single barrage of 30 rockets. And, he was allowed to leave the Ukraine and wants to go back while other videos are posted saying the border troops are cutting up passports and sending people back to the front to die.
Cocaine is a helluva drug.
I find it to be amazing that the story of this guy is accepted at face value because he outdoors wearing a DPM uniform (possibly surplus) and has an accent. Additionally, we are simultaneously to believe that Russian troops are completely incompetent but also able to chase out foreign troops with a single barrage of 30 rockets. And, he was allowed to leave the Ukraine and wants to go back while other videos are posted saying the border troops are cutting up passports and sending people back to the front to die.
Cocaine is a helluva drug.
I think all of the videos should be taken with a grain of salt. Said that several times. The report from the guy who claimed passports were being cut up should be taken with the entire salt shaker. Nothing he's said matches up with what has been reported elsewhere, nor what we've seen in video or photo footage of volunteers on the line. Everyone is free to believe whatever they want to believe, but the most likely explanation of that video as he was indeed rejected for failing the vetting process, and the video was cover. Hell, the entire "cut-up passports bit" is likely there only to make his escape sound heroic.
In the case of this video, I'd bet the Brit did flee from the rockets and probably will have a hard time getting back into the Legion. It's possible, granted, but from what I'm seeing elsewhere, they're tightening up the recruiting requirements. Trying to avoid people running at the first indirect fire attack. Considering how heavily dependent the Russian Army is on artillery and other indirect fire, I really don't understand why people seem so surprised by it. Hell, even the Iraqis and Afghans managed to hit US bases with rockets and IRAMs from time to time, so it's not like it's some forgotten threat.
The Dumb Gun Collector
03-23-22, 16:54
https://youtu.be/03UWq9-cb0o
https://youtu.be/03UWq9-cb0o
I know multiple people there. Hell, a couple of them almost had me talked into going. What he’s saying is true.
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I'm assuming most people have seen this clip before, but if not, a couple of American volunteers have started popping up in videos. The best part was the "Welcome to America" from the presumably Ukrainian cameraman, repeated then by the American volunteer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlgWI0FzjKc
Good footage in this one. Really gives you a sense of it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3o_1mVl7G4
Not sure if it’s in the video Alpha posted but I say a clip of the dude on the left saying he stole a 50 cal off of a Russian tank using a gerber someone gave him.
So he volunteered to fight the rus, then turned tail and ran when the rus fought him?
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkAnd now he wants to go back in.
I'm just curious what people think they are going to find? War isn't place with time outs.
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I’d be happy to volunteer at our southern border to protect our people and nation. However volunteering to fight and die for a foreign country who is in bed with the Biden’s, the family who is literally destroying our country, hell no. We have plenty of problems to focus on here on our own soil. Let the chips fall where they may with this Russia and Ukraine situation. That’s none of my business.
With respect to all informed opinions, this is where I'm at as well. I would go back south tomorrow if someone decided to enforce immigration law again.
Let the Europeans take this one. We should stay the F out of this. Will we? No.
Our country is falling apart. Good for Ukraine, fighting back, but that US money and manpower going over there is wasted, in my opinion. America first, please.
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