m4brian
03-26-22, 09:15
Just a thread about what I see as the Achilles heal of the CZ 75 - the trigger return spring.
I normally dry fire for practice. Keeping the skill to keep the irons still in DA - the first and most important shot. I also try to remember to oil the spring coil per some folks observations.
I recently broke another TRS on a P09. I likely have broken 11 - 12 springs over time. I stopped counting years ago. On only 2 did I ever just dry fore like crazy to brake them in. Some will join in here and say they never have broken a spring. The only way to do this is to not shoot or dry fire much - or rotate them out religiously.
I don't keep log books. I hate too much organization.
On this latest, I just estimate I likely had over 1000 pulls of the trigger and not likely more than 2000 on this particular P09. Live rounds, about 300. I do believe it was a CGW spring. I have a few Shadow 2 springs, but this is not one of them. This is typical for me - from 2000-3000 pulls and it will brake.
The longest I had one last was in my original PreB - many years ago I read on this site that the way to break them in was to dry fire the snot out of it. SO I did each night and just fired away. I estimate it had 4-5000 pulls. It broke. I've never gotten as much since and the abuse was there.
If a gun lasted 5000 routinely this would not be a big deal. I broke 7 or so in one year - back on a bad run of springs in 2003.
I also heard one of our Cajun friends tell me the 75 TRS is a design flaw. I fully believe it. If you look at the construction, installation and angles involved it looks convoluted - especially against other designs. Usually, when something looks bad it is. Not always - but in this case it is a sort of Achilles heal of the CZ 75 design - and unfortunately, the P series copies it.
I just love to shoot these guns, but folks who may not have the money and time may want something that doesn't need this level of attention. I don't think other guns do as poorly on a small cheap part. I don't mind replacing them in a P gun, but on a P01 its tough. I try NOT to dry fire the P01 nearly as much, and that is a shame.
My purpose is a note of caution for those who shoot them a bunch, and/or dry fire them regularly, and carry them. If you are into competition, you are in a different boat and you likely know to rotate them.
I normally dry fire for practice. Keeping the skill to keep the irons still in DA - the first and most important shot. I also try to remember to oil the spring coil per some folks observations.
I recently broke another TRS on a P09. I likely have broken 11 - 12 springs over time. I stopped counting years ago. On only 2 did I ever just dry fore like crazy to brake them in. Some will join in here and say they never have broken a spring. The only way to do this is to not shoot or dry fire much - or rotate them out religiously.
I don't keep log books. I hate too much organization.
On this latest, I just estimate I likely had over 1000 pulls of the trigger and not likely more than 2000 on this particular P09. Live rounds, about 300. I do believe it was a CGW spring. I have a few Shadow 2 springs, but this is not one of them. This is typical for me - from 2000-3000 pulls and it will brake.
The longest I had one last was in my original PreB - many years ago I read on this site that the way to break them in was to dry fire the snot out of it. SO I did each night and just fired away. I estimate it had 4-5000 pulls. It broke. I've never gotten as much since and the abuse was there.
If a gun lasted 5000 routinely this would not be a big deal. I broke 7 or so in one year - back on a bad run of springs in 2003.
I also heard one of our Cajun friends tell me the 75 TRS is a design flaw. I fully believe it. If you look at the construction, installation and angles involved it looks convoluted - especially against other designs. Usually, when something looks bad it is. Not always - but in this case it is a sort of Achilles heal of the CZ 75 design - and unfortunately, the P series copies it.
I just love to shoot these guns, but folks who may not have the money and time may want something that doesn't need this level of attention. I don't think other guns do as poorly on a small cheap part. I don't mind replacing them in a P gun, but on a P01 its tough. I try NOT to dry fire the P01 nearly as much, and that is a shame.
My purpose is a note of caution for those who shoot them a bunch, and/or dry fire them regularly, and carry them. If you are into competition, you are in a different boat and you likely know to rotate them.