View Full Version : Leaked Report Claims SCOTUS Will Overturn Roe
Not sure how accurate this is.
Maybe it was leaked to scare some of the Justices to change their votes?
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/02/supreme-court-abortion-draft-opinion-00029473
The draft opinion is a full-throated, unflinching repudiation of the 1973 decision which guaranteed federal constitutional protections of abortion rights and a subsequent 1992 decision – Planned Parenthood v. Casey – that largely maintained the right. “Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” Alito writes.
Not sure how accurate this is.
Maybe it was leaked to scare some of the Justices to change their votes?
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/02/supreme-court-abortion-draft-opinion-00029473
The draft opinion is a full-throated, unflinching repudiation of the 1973 decision which guaranteed federal constitutional protections of abortion rights and a subsequent 1992 decision – Planned Parenthood v. Casey – that largely maintained the right. “Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” Alito writes.
I wonder where the leak came from? The newest addition to the court, Ketanji Brown Jackson, could be responsible but that's just a hunch.
I wonder what would happen to a judge found to have leaked such info?
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-02-22, 21:25
If they ‘reverse’ it, it won’t be
The draft opinion is a full-throated, unflinching repudiation of the 1973 decision
A draft is just that, a draft. Maybe written by one of the clerks trying to make a name for themselves.
Whoops, hate when this happens. More distractions for the popcorn eaters.
Let’s all hope there is a voice for the innocent and this genocide ends.
Oh and let’s fix flipping adoption while we are at it.
I wonder where the leak came from? The newest addition to the court, Ketanji Brown Jackson, could be responsible but that's just a hunch.
I wonder what would happen to a judge found to have leaked such info?
Sotomayor or her staff, allegedly
That probably makes more sense, considering Jackson isn't active on the SC just yet, at least from my understanding.
Can this affect the midterms?
The Dumb Gun Collector
05-02-22, 22:28
Good. Murder is bad. Also, this is clearly a state issue.
Can this affect the midterms?
I don't believe so, although I know many will disagree.
The people that this will upset the most were already turning out to vote for the leftists, and were going to do so regardless.
Now is a brilliant time for the right to grow a pair and go for the jugular, so to speak. We now have access to the most important open forum in the world for the first time in years via Musk's acquisition of Twitter. These platforms have worked wonders for advancing the lefts agenda over the last decade. It's time the right learned to play the game.
People need to get vocal and start making the opinions of radical leftists the unpopular opinion for once. There's never been a better time than now.
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-03-22, 00:18
Might lead to a last minute push to pack the court. Not sure, but they could bootstrap it by having Breyer not actually step down. Jackson is approved, but not seated- I'm not sure what it would take to actually get her on on the court.
Sotomayer is a garbage justice. The Kamala of justices. Actually, putting Kamala on the court might be a good way to get her out of the way. Plus, watch the Jan 6th try to get rid of a couple of GOP senators, allowing the packing of the court.
Not likely, but things get so crazy lately, who knows. I think it is more likely a last gasp and temper tantrum of some clerk, who thinks that this will get them a lifetime job as a law professor...
ETA: People are calling for and predicting violence over this? Try to carry it to the election? "Well, you're a daisy if you do...."
While they are all pissed off, can we PLEASE get some pro-2A decisions nailed down? Denver is going to start making Cali look like a free state. ARs, 30rnders and F off. Thomas isn't getting any younger...
Seriously, I do think that we'll see some lefty take a swipe at taking out a SCOTUS member. Violence in the streets, riots and burning - and DHS will call it all disinformation and go after white guys.
Good luck with that. They will strike down the 1968 Gun Control Act and 1934 NFA before anything like this happens. Has anyone NOT been paying attention to the people who actually get elected...the people who actually get appointed to the Supreme Court?
Furthermore, this would actually be the worst thing that could happen, I can think of little else that would unite 70% of the population and have them voting hard left. They would get their full blown socialist government and all the trimmings.
just a scout
05-03-22, 05:57
Good luck with that. They will strike down the 1968 Gun Control Act and 1934 NFA before anything like this happens. Has anyone NOT been paying attention to the people who actually get elected...the people who actually get appointed to the Supreme Court?
Furthermore, this would actually be the worst thing that could happen, I can think of little else that would unite 70% of the population and have them voting hard left. They would get their full blown socialist government and all the trimmings.
Exactly. It justifies packing the court in the Lefts minds.
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If true it’s crazy ironic.
If the Left didn’t push against the Mississippi law none of this would have (potentially would have) happened.
Black_Sheep
05-03-22, 06:54
This was leaked or fabricated by Democrat operatives to fire up the Democrat base before the midterm elections. It also provides a welcome distraction from all of the problems created by the current administration…
This was leaked or fabricated by Democrat operatives to fire up the Democrat base before the midterm elections. It also provides a welcome distraction from all of the problems created by the current administration…
This. Its amazingly transparent.
Andy
This was leaked or fabricated by Democrat operatives to fire up the Democrat base before the midterm elections. It also provides a welcome distraction from all of the problems created by the current administration…
the decision would have come out before the midterm anyway.
Plus, I'm sort of onboard with StyerAUG, I don't think the final opinion will strike down Roe. I think they will simply say that the Mississippi law doesn't violate Roe, it only expands on Casey. They will let Roe stand but allow states to implement more restrictions than Casey allowed. States won't be able to ban it outright, but some may chose to regulate it heavily, like getting a machine gun has been since 1986.
SCOTUS has a whole department of spokespeople. If this was fabricated this would be an easy fix for them. If it was a leak, I imagine it would have come from a clerk or an underling.
Furthermore, this would actually be the worst thing that could happen, I can think of little else that would unite 70% of the population and have them voting hard left. They would get their full blown socialist government and all the trimmings.
This times 100. To the people that are on the left, or even mildly left leaning, this is the equivalent of what federal adoption of California gun laws would be for the 2a community.
Business_Casual
05-03-22, 08:25
This was leaked or fabricated by Democrat operatives to fire up the Democrat base before the midterm elections. It also provides a welcome distraction from all of the problems created by the current administration…
Reminds me of a recent Russia collusion document…
BoringGuy45
05-03-22, 08:34
Might lead to a last minute push to pack the court. Not sure, but they could bootstrap it by having Breyer not actually step down. Jackson is approved, but not seated- I'm not sure what it would take to actually get her on on the court.
They haven't stopped trying to pack the court, but it wouldn't go anywhere. Manchin and Sinema are still sticking by upholding the filibuster, and Manchin is pro-life anyway.
Averageman
05-03-22, 08:37
I'm curious because we totally ignore some Federal Laws now, marijuana comes to mind.
So why isn't this punted back to the States to deal with?
It seems to me to be more Constitutional. It to me certainly doesn't seem to be a federal issue.
ChattanoogaPhil
05-03-22, 09:04
the decision would have come out before the midterm anyway.
Plus, I'm sort of onboard with StyerAUG, I don't think the final opinion will strike down Roe. I think they will simply say that the Mississippi law doesn't violate Roe, it only expands on Casey. They will let Roe stand but allow states to implement more restrictions than Casey allowed. States won't be able to ban it outright, but some may chose to regulate it heavily, like getting a machine gun has been since 1986.
I think so. However, democrats will characterize it as overturning Roe and endless hyperbole. Democrats desperately need new villains to run against in the midterms. Racists, sexists homophobe villains isn't going to be enough.
Business_Casual
05-03-22, 09:27
Here’s the end-game, make it law:
https://thepostmillennial.com/biden-demands-americans-elect-more-pro-choice-slams-scotus-for-draft-ruling?utm_campaign=64487
Planned Parenthood donates too much money to Democrats for this to be left to SCOTUS.
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-03-22, 09:45
Here’s the end-game, make it law:
https://thepostmillennial.com/biden-demands-americans-elect-more-pro-choice-slams-scotus-for-draft-ruling?utm_campaign=64487
Planned Parenthood donates too much money to Democrats for this to be left to SCOTUS.
If they pass a law legalizing abortion nationwide it’ll be interesting to see if they try to do it like New York in Colorado where it’s up to birth at 40 weeks.
The next step, catalyzed by if they try to pass a national law, would be for the pro right to life people to start to make a 14th amendment argument that the unborn is not getting due process.
This was in an email from theSkimm and thought I was really interesting.
“ This was a leak, and an unprecedented one at that: never in modern history has a draft SCOTUS opinion been disclosed before a decision was announced.”
For the true Christian, it's a matter of God's glory and His justice. If the preceding sentence offends you, you should probably refrain from the reading.
https://protestia.com/2022/05/03/hot-take-the-supreme-court-did-not-establish-justice-for-the-preborn/
Let the rabid, unhinged liberals get pushed farther into showing their true hands. As someone already noted, they were coming out anyway in full force to vote this November. They’ve all been assured the sky is falling. Hopefully this just energizes non-liberals even more. I don’t think it’s going to magically make people hate democrats less.
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-03-22, 11:20
Fun to read thru Twitter. Packing the court, lots of Ginni Thomas mentions (don't know why) and "is this what starts the civil war?".
This is far from over. Now, we'll see a yearly bid to pass a federal law legalizing abortion- and it becomes a political issue in every race. Just a prediction, not saying good or bad.
I don't need religion to believe it is objectively wrong to abort babies.
Roberts has ordered an investigation into the leak and confirmed the opinion is real.
Roberts pissed with a capital "P", but trying to paint this is an academic exercise. I do not know if he is right or trying to defuse this, or both.
"Justices circulate draft opinions internally as a routine and essential part of the Court’s confidential deliberative work. Although the document described in yesterday’s reports is authentic, it does not represent a decision by the Court or the final position of any member on the issues in the case," the court said.
So it seems, now that it's been leaked, will 5 of the justices have the guts to make it so. I believe Thomas would, the rest, who knows.
It’s hard for me to believe Alito, ACB, or even Gorsuch would waffle. Kavanaugh maybe.
john armond
05-03-22, 13:41
So will the ACLU be defending the person responsible for the leak, while they are praised by the left, for being a "whistleblower?"
This was done for one (two, three, or all four) of four reasons:
1. To intimidate the SC justices.
2. To influence the upcoming election.
3. To influence court stacking.
4. To stop from talking about the failures of this administration.
Roberts should have instead come out and stated this was misinformation/disinformation designed to do one of the above and demanded that the DHS immediately state the same.
Fun to read thru Twitter. Packing the court, lots of Ginni Thomas mentions (don't know why) and "is this what starts the civil war?".
This is far from over. Now, we'll see a yearly bid to pass a federal law legalizing abortion- and it becomes a political issue in every race. Just a prediction, not saying good or bad.
I don't need religion to believe it is objectively wrong to abort babies.
You'd think if these borters put as much effort in to not getting pregnant that they do in being pissed about their abortion "rights", it wouldn't matter.
Diamondback
05-03-22, 13:47
You'd think if these borters put as much effort in to not getting pregnant that they do in being pissed about their abortion "rights", it wouldn't matter.
So much this. It sure does seem that if they really don't want crotchfruit that much they could always go for an elective sterilization... tubes tied, or get an implant every five years if they wanna screw around without consequence.
Then again, most of the Radical Infanticiders I see, I have trouble seeing how they'd get anyone to stick it in them anyway...
You'd think if these borters put as much effort in to not getting pregnant that they do in being pissed about their abortion "rights", it wouldn't matter.
It's like this with any law. If only they put as much effort into working a job so they wouldn't have to steal, if only they put more effort into their marriage so they wouldn't have to beat or murder their spouse. Putting the effort in to do the right thing is too much to ask for many.
Diamondback
05-03-22, 14:02
It's like this with any law. If only they put as much effort into working a job so they wouldn't have to steal, if only they put more effort into their marriage so they wouldn't have to beat or murder their spouse. Putting the effort in to do the right thing is too much to ask for many.
This indicates that people like my sperm donor are disgustingly more common than one would hope... the kind who could achieve prosperity for themselves and those around them if they'd only put a QUARTER as much effort into onest work (in job, relationship, whatever context) as they do the avoidance thereof.
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-03-22, 14:09
This was in an email from theSkimm and thought I was really interesting.
“ This was a leak, and an unprecedented one at that: never in modern history has a draft SCOTUS opinion been disclosed before a decision was announced.”
Roberts pissed with a capital "P", but trying to paint this is an academic exercise. I do not know if he is right or trying to defuse this, or both.
"Justices circulate draft opinions internally as a routine and essential part of the Court’s confidential deliberative work. Although the document described in yesterday’s reports is authentic, it does not represent a decision by the Court or the final position of any member on the issues in the case," the court said.
Somewhere (DailyWire?) a former clerk said that draft opinions didn't even go on USB drives to ensure that they were controlled.
There also is a Twitter post about how the original Roe decision was leaked- yes, but really no. A clerk gave background to a reporter at Time and said that it was only to be used after the decision was announced. Well, it seems the release of the decision was delayed by a few hours and the Time report got out to the newstands early, so we are talking hours, not weeks or months early- and definitely not released to influence people or for political gain.
Sotomayor or her staff, allegedly
Her or her clan would be my 1st suspect, followed by Kagan.
Can this affect the midterms?
The left elected the worst POTUS in the history of the country because Orange Man Bad, end mean tweets. What do you think they'll do when Schumer slaps them in the face with this bloody slab of red meat? :mad:
I'm not kidding, I was watching Schumer behind Durbin at their presser on this. The man hasn't been that happy since he saw his last erection. :rolleyes:
Part of me thinks this whole thing is just another distraction. Intentionally leaked to keep imbeciles upset an not paying attention.
Coal Dragger
05-03-22, 15:11
I don’t think the average voter, particularly in a mid term election is going to single issue vote over abortion law. Particularly with rampant inflation, crime, education issues, border issues etc. There will be a lot of sky screaming libtards and angry unfit mothers, but not enough to turn this mid term in the leftist’s favor.
Well said.
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SomeOtherGuy
05-03-22, 15:17
I don’t think the average voter, particularly in a mid term election is going to single issue vote over abortion law. Particularly with rampant inflation, crime, education issues, border issues etc. There will be a lot of sky screaming libtards and angry unfit mothers, but not enough to turn this mid term in the leftist’s favor.
There are literally millions of women, and some totally brainwashed men, who will totally single-issue vote on this one issue. However, none of them were going to vote Republican otherwise. It may get a lot of them to actually vote though, instead of being lazy and apathetic with the F-- fake president in office.
This controversy could be a godsend to the Dems.
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-03-22, 15:18
I don’t think the average voter, particularly in a mid term election is going to single issue vote over abortion law. Particularly with rampant inflation, crime, education issues, border issues etc. There will be a lot of sky screaming libtards and angry unfit mothers, but not enough to turn this mid term in the leftist’s favor.
Maybe you can get turn out from the left up a bit, but I don't think you are going to change minds with this. And if minorities are key to a dem win, blacks and hispanics have never been driven by abortion as an issue, so you are looking at bitter white chicks- who were not going to vote for you anyways, and probably won't vote in an off year election.
Coal Dragger
05-03-22, 15:23
There are literally millions of women, and some totally brainwashed men, who will totally single-issue vote on this one issue. However, none of them were going to vote Republican otherwise. It may get a lot of them to actually vote though, instead of being lazy and apathetic with the F-- fake president in office.
This controversy could be a godsend to the Dems.
Maybe, but driving enough turnout over this of diehard abortion enthusiasts to outweigh the much larger majority of regular citizens who are pissed about the economy, crime, etc etc is unlikely.
SomeOtherGuy
05-03-22, 15:24
Even if the leaked draft is accurate and gets a 5-4 (or better) vote, it doesn't actually mean that much in the short run. 10-15 states that have been strict on abortion restrictions since Casey will likely go even stricter. States that celebrate baby-murder, as NY does, will not enact any restrictions and may even double down on their extreme positions.
No one is going to fight a civil war over this issue, least of all on the left. But it may be a symptom of the widening gap that is otherwise leading the USA in that direction. The number of people on the left who are motivated to go protest this issue, with its moral status and with the huge number of options for preventing pregnancy and managing unwanted pregnancies, just tells you how sick our culture has become.
Coal Dragger
05-03-22, 15:28
Maybe you can get turn out from the left up a bit, but I don't think you are going to change minds with this. And if minorities are key to a dem win, blacks and hispanics have never been driven by abortion as an issue, so you are looking at bitter white chicks- who were not going to vote for you anyways, and probably won't vote in an off year election.
Pretty much. Ironically the bitter white chicks would probably be less bitter if they stopped man hating, found a dude to marry, started loving the dick, and had a kid or two. Strangely enough most women I know who do those things tend to be happier than the man haters with no children and 15 cats or nuisance dogs. It’s almost as if biology compels them to want to do those things, and they become unhappy waging a war on themselves denying their biological imperative.
This topic is messed up.
The dumbocrats are fine killing babies via abortion, but want guns banned because they kill kids, WTF!
Part of me thinks this whole thing is just another distraction. Intentionally leaked to keep imbeciles upset an not paying attention.
Probably since the draft goes back to Feb, so timing is kinda suspect...2000 Mules is selling out in theaters / pfizer is said to be releasing another 411 dump today along with your regular scheduled clown show.
Diamondback
05-03-22, 16:10
Pretty much. Ironically the bitter white chicks would probably be less bitter if they stopped man hating, found a dude to marry, started loving the dick, and had a kid or two. Strangely enough most women I know who do those things tend to be happier than the man haters with no children and 15 cats or nuisance dogs. It’s almost as if biology compels them to want to do those things, and they become unhappy waging a war on themselves denying their biological imperative.
Not to mention how many of them are so damn OMGWTF if-they-were-your-dog-you'd-shave-its-ass-and-make-it-walk-backwards UHHH-GLEE they couldn't get laid if they visited Death Row with a purse full of pardons.
The Dumb Gun Collector
05-03-22, 17:10
I remember when Texas passed that strict abortion law and all the moloch worshippers freaked out. I was like, you can’t give Frontier airlines $200 for a round trip ticket to Vegas to murder your child? Murderous and slack.
The Dumb Gun Collector
05-03-22, 17:11
Not to mention how many of them are so damn OMGWTF if-they-were-your-dog-you'd-shave-its-ass-and-make-it-walk-backwards UHHH-GLEE they couldn't get laid if they visited Death Row with a purse full of pardons.
Damn!
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-03-22, 17:12
Had some time in the car today so I was listening to NPR. They are losing their crap. They are literally going insane. It is kind of almost hilarious to hear them talk about abortion in terms of that it is some kind of immaculate conception like they don’t know how they got pregnant. That and how dangerous it is to give birth in that how safe abortions are, while totally ignoring that has the patients die in an abortion.
The problem is that a injured insane bear is very dangerous and can lash out and weird directions.
And the usual calls of racism, sexism, a fair amount of anti-Catholic sentiment. All The good stuff.
Funny how they are planning to send abortion pills to states that outlaw abortions, but if we started sending firearms to people in California they would lose their absolute crap.
Had some time in the car today so I was listening to NPR. They are losing their crap. They are literally going insane. It is kind of almost hilarious to hear them talk about abortion in terms of that it is some kind of immaculate conception like they don’t know how they got pregnant. That and how dangerous it is to give birth in that how safe abortions are, while totally ignoring that has the patients die in an abortion.
The problem is that a injured insane bear is very dangerous and can lash out and weird directions.
And the usual calls of racism, sexism, a fair amount of anti-Catholic sentiment. All The good stuff.
Funny how they are planning to send abortion pills to states that outlaw abortions, but if we started sending firearms to people in California they would lose their absolute crap.
I hope they go insane enough to kick off CW2 so we can finish this once and for all.
It's not "overturning" or outlawing abortion. It's a classic 10th Amendment case that the Burger court didn't see that way: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people”. Last time I checked abortion was NOT a Constitutionally guaranteed right.
Diamondback
05-03-22, 18:01
Damn!
The mental picture, the below-the-beltness of the jab or the excessive verbosity? LOL
This was leaked or fabricated by Democrat operatives to fire up the Democrat base before the midterm elections. It also provides a welcome distraction from all of the problems created by the current administration…
Most likely true scenario.
ChattanoogaPhil
05-03-22, 18:10
Children ain't cheap. American household budgets are already stressed with inflation. It's likely to get uglier. Single women, young couples and low-middle income families faced with the expense of pregnancy, child birth, an extra mouth to feed and all that comes with it are more likely to be in fear of government dictating mandatory birth. Fear is a strong motivator and democrats are good at selling it. That may weigh heavily in the voting booth, ultimately making abortion more accessible and affordable.
Children ain't cheap. American household budgets are already stressed with inflation. It's likely to get uglier. Single women, young couples and low-middle income families faced with the expense of pregnancy, child birth, an extra mouth to feed and all that comes with it are more likely to be in fear of government dictating mandatory birth. Fear is a strong motivator and democrats are good at selling it. That may weigh heavily in the voting booth, ultimately making abortion more accessible and affordable.
The government is not making birthing mandatory. It is simply saying that the states can make their own laws about it. There will be plenty of states allowing abortion. Some will not. Some will allow it with restrictions (like late-term and such). If you want an abortion go to a state that allows it. Like I said, there will be more than a few.....
morbidbattlecry
05-03-22, 19:24
Activist judges overturning precedent. Good to know court packing is working.
Those of you thinking this is a “single issue” the left won’t turn out for, didn’t listen to Schumer and his ill today. That are literally comparing this draft with outlawing not just abortion. They’re selling that this will lead to outlawing same sex marriage, interracial marriage AND school desegregation. Schumer is selling this as rolling America back to 1950. You know, when communism was a bad thing?
As I already pointed out, the left is exactly that histrionic. You dismiss this at our collective peril.
Children ain't cheap. American household budgets are already stressed with inflation. It's likely to get uglier. Single women, young couples and low-middle income families faced with the expense of pregnancy, child birth, an extra mouth to feed and all that comes with it are more likely to be in fear of government dictating mandatory birth. Fear is a strong motivator and democrats are good at selling it. That may weigh heavily in the voting booth, ultimately making abortion more accessible and affordable.
How do you think the single moms are liking the price of gas there bud? Or you talking about the single moms already in the gubment cheese?
Easy to not have kids, own responsibility for your actions and there are PLENTY of people who can’t have kids and would love to adopt.
Government intervention has fixed adoption as well, probably permanently.
It’s a State issue, not a federal issue.
Regardless of the base level of barbarism involved with killing babies speaks volumes of those supporting it.
Why not just birth them and toss them off a cliff like Sparta?
Coal Dragger
05-03-22, 20:32
Rolling back America to 1950…. Hmmmm back when the middle class was strong, we made everything in this country, and the next generation could expect even better economic prospects than their parents. This is bad why?
P2Vaircrewman
05-03-22, 20:42
Should be an interesting summer. Twitter is exploding with tweets of protests and riots to come. Should it become another summer of 2019 style protest, burning and looting the republicans should be gleeful.
SomeOtherGuy
05-03-22, 21:19
NVM - redundant
Rolling back America to 1950…. Hmmmm back when the middle class was strong, we made everything in this country, and the next generation could expect even better economic prospects than their parents. This is bad why?
Because personal success is racist. Don't you know anything.
ChattanoogaPhil
05-04-22, 08:08
Pro-choice republican US Senators, Collins and Murkowski, are already calling out justices as liars and that the court has lost credibility.
Collins said: "If this leaked draft opinion is the final decision and this reporting is accurate, it would be completely inconsistent with what Justice Gorsuch and Justice Kavanaugh said in their hearings and in our meetings in my office."
"Roe is still the law of the land. We don't know what direction this decision will take. But if it goes in the direction this leaked copy (indicates), it rocks my confidence in the court right now," Murkowski said.
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-04-22, 08:34
The next step for the left is to say that this opens up all of our gun rights to being taken away. Whatever happened to California saying they were going to pass a law like Texas’ abortion law but concerning firearm ownership? There’s a lot of noise about that but I don’t think anything ever happened?
People keep on saying that this gets codis out of the portion issue. I see it only as a pause, as these evil states start to add abortion access up to birth, you’re going to see hard to deny 14th amendment arguments that a viable baby past 23 weeks has rights.
Children ain't cheap. American household budgets are already stressed with inflation. It's likely to get uglier. Single women, young couples and low-middle income families faced with the expense of pregnancy, child birth, an extra mouth to feed and all that comes with it are more likely to be in fear of government dictating mandatory birth. Fear is a strong motivator and democrats are good at selling it. That may weigh heavily in the voting booth, ultimately making abortion more accessible and affordable.
How is birth mandatory? It's 2022, it's pretty easy to not get pregnant in the first place...
Diamondback
05-04-22, 09:40
How is birth mandatory? It's 2022, it's pretty easy to not get pregnant in the first place...
Stipulating to the exception of rape, it always has been... abstinence always works, I never did see a woman knock herself up without an outside source of sperm.
Just Say No ain't just for drugs, kids...
The next step for the left is to say that this opens up all of our gun rights to being taken away. Whatever happened to California saying they were going to pass a law like Texas’ abortion law but concerning firearm ownership? There’s a lot of noise about that but I don’t think anything ever happened?
People keep on saying that this gets codis out of the portion issue. I see it only as a pause, as these evil states start to add abortion access up to birth, you’re going to see hard to deny 14th amendment arguments that a viable baby past 23 weeks has rights.
I don’t recall seeing government sponsored abortion rights in the Constitution, last I checked.
The only thing consistent is their inconsistency. - How did my body my choice work out for the government mandated jabs? Oh wait, it didn’t.
Averageman
05-04-22, 09:51
The mistake was ever going federal with this, it should have been handled by the States and kept a State issue.
When you push stuff like this at the Federal level you're opening yourself up to have the rug pulled out from under you, just like this. That's the thing, democrats weren't happy with this being a State issue and they pushed it to the Federal level.
People who win, should sit back and be happy with the win. When you force people who don't want cake, to eat cake, this is what you get.
The parallels between this and Twitter are obvious.
ChattanoogaPhil
05-04-22, 11:02
How is birth mandatory? It's 2022, it's pretty easy to not get pregnant in the first place...
That's the way it will be sold by democrats along with a host of other related fear mongering. Just watch. Dismissing fears of the aforementioned with bumpersticker slogans like 'it's easy not to get pregnant' isn't going to sell.
Pro-life (I think many are fake anyway) republican politicians are going to be put back on their heels. It may be the issue that snatches defeat from the jaws of victory in the midterms for republicans. It will be interesting to watch how things unfold.
The_War_Wagon
05-04-22, 11:40
When pe-lousy gets to bitchin' - works to silence other pro-death demtards as well!
https://i.ibb.co/m8tVj9W/pe-lousy-abortion.jpg
Brasilnuts
05-04-22, 11:42
When the democrats steal the next election, this issue will be the reason they give for the swell of fraudulent votes for their candidates.
And the truth comes out, it always comes out...people who are involved in the abortion industrial complex know what they are aborting.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2022/05/04/three-words-biden-ruined-dem-messaging-abortion-n2606740
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-04-22, 12:32
I think this is someways related to Musk and Twitter- they are losing their control of the narrative, so they are now ‘flooding’ the zone to control the newscycle.
This will keep the press busy and they can talk about it until they have the 1/6 show trials, then back to this issue when the actual decision is released. That should take us through July. Some Trump indictments after that.
All to keep the Economy, the border, and the lefts CRT stupidity off people’s screens.
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-04-22, 12:53
So Chucky Schmucker was on the step of the Capitol saying that they will ‘Fight” this for as long it takes, they will not relent—- so where is the DOJ SWAT team to take down this insurrectionist. Murder charges if there is attempt on a life of a SCOTUS member.
The_War_Wagon
05-04-22, 13:28
So Chucky Schmucker was on the step of the Capitol saying that they will ‘Fight” this for as long it takes, they will not relent—- so where is the DOJ SWAT team to take down this insurrectionist. Murder charges if there is attempt on a life of a SCOTUS member.
https://i.ibb.co/NFwJ59R/assclown-aboetion.jpg
See, works with every demtard!
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-04-22, 13:38
If the Alito decision comes out as written- would the text that says that while they find that the argument for an abortion right isn’t found and that a key reason is that there is the baby involved be able to be used to uphold all the other decisions that the left says will fall next- which is everything from gay marriage to integration? The MSM makes it seem that this is just the first step with no protections for these other decisions- but Alito actually calls those decisions out specifically and says no.
Isn’t that disinformation from the MSM?
If the Alito decision comes out as written- would the text that says that while they find that the argument for an abortion right isn’t found and that a key reason is that there is the baby involved be able to be used to uphold all the other decisions that the left says will fall next- which is everything from gay marriage to integration? The MSM makes it seem that this is just the first step with no protections for these other decisions- but Alito actually calls those decisions out specifically and says no.
Isn’t that disinformation from the MSM?
Is there any other kind of information from the MSM anymore?
Truth really has no meaning these days, it's how it's spun and what people WANT to believe in their group think world.
The narrative that will be pushed and eaten up by the heaping spoonfuls:
Evil Conservative SCOTUS justices colluded with Trump and Putin to overturn Roe V Wade, they're a bunch of baby killers, the constitution has abortion written all over it in subtext, but guns are awful and kill children and the constitution doesn't say anything about gun rights for people- it says the militia- so only the military, duh, should have guns. Next is forcing people of color back into slavery, gays into getting divorces and losing their children and ending women's suffrage! It's all a grand white christian phallocentric scheme to reinvigorate the patriarchy and control everyone by white men!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If the Alito decision comes out as written- would the text that says that while they find that the argument for an abortion right isn’t found and that a key reason is that there is the baby involved be able to be used to uphold all the other decisions that the left says will fall next- which is everything from gay marriage to integration? The MSM makes it seem that this is just the first step with no protections for these other decisions- but Alito actually calls those decisions out specifically and says no.
Isn’t that disinformation from the MSM?
Is there any other kind of information from the MSM anymore?
Truth really has no meaning these days, it's how it's spun and what people WANT to believe in their group think world.
The narrative that will be pushed and eaten up by the heaping spoonfuls:
Evil Conservative SCOTUS justices colluded with Trump and Putin to overturn Roe V Wade, they're a bunch of baby killers, the constitution has abortion written all over it in subtext, but guns are awful and kill children and the constitution doesn't say anything about gun rights for people- it says the militia- so only the military, duh, should have guns. Next is forcing people of color back into slavery, gays into getting divorces and losing their children and ending women's suffrage! It's all a grand white christian phallocentric scheme to reinvigorate the patriarchy and control everyone by white men!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This. We live in a post-truth society now, best get used to it. :(
Her or her clan would be my 1st suspect, followed by Kagan.
The left elected the worst POTUS in the history of the country because Orange Man Bad, end mean tweets. What do you think they'll do when Schumer slaps them in the face with this bloody slab of red meat? :mad:
I'm not kidding, I was watching Schumer behind Durbin at their presser on this. The man hasn't been that happy since he saw his last erection. :rolleyes:
No, no they didn't. The Left cheated their way into the White House. That basement dweller was not "elected".
Had some time in the car today so I was listening to NPR. They are losing their crap. They are literally going insane. It is kind of almost hilarious to hear them talk about abortion in terms of that it is some kind of immaculate conception like they don’t know how they got pregnant. That and how dangerous it is to give birth in that how safe abortions are, while totally ignoring that has the patients die in an abortion.
The problem is that a injured insane bear is very dangerous and can lash out and weird directions.
And the usual calls of racism, sexism, a fair amount of anti-Catholic sentiment. All The good stuff.
Funny how they are planning to send abortion pills to states that outlaw abortions, but if we started sending firearms to people in California they would lose their absolute crap.
While they will heartily embrace those same Catholic charities that subsidize the unwanted low-life scum influx of illegal aliens. How convenient.....
Supreme Court just verified the leaked document is accurate.
Bwahahahahahaha let the pantie melt begin.
Inkslinger
05-04-22, 18:54
Should be an interesting summer. Twitter is exploding with tweets of protests and riots to come. Should it become another summer of 2019 style protest, burning and looting the republicans should be gleeful.
I hope they turn it up to 11! I want them to be so lawless and destructive that they can no longer get a pass. Death or jail, either work for me.
Is there any other kind of information from the MSM anymore?
Truth really has no meaning these days, it's how it's spun and what people WANT to believe in their group think world.
The narrative that will be pushed and eaten up by the heaping spoonfuls:
Evil Conservative SCOTUS justices colluded with Trump and Putin to overturn Roe V Wade, they're a bunch of baby killers, the constitution has abortion written all over it in subtext, but guns are awful and kill children and the constitution doesn't say anything about gun rights for people- it says the militia- so only the military, duh, should have guns. Next is forcing people of color back into slavery, gays into getting divorces and losing their children and ending women's suffrage! It's all a grand white christian phallocentric scheme to reinvigorate the patriarchy and control everyone by white men!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So 100% on target I can add very little but will simply provide you with a dedication to your idea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vgDpI8kU98
OutofBatt3ry
05-04-22, 20:15
Nevermind
ChattanoogaPhil
05-05-22, 06:49
If the Alito decision comes out as written- would the text that says that while they find that the argument for an abortion right isn’t found and that a key reason is that there is the baby involved be able to be used to uphold all the other decisions that the left says will fall next- which is everything from gay marriage to integration? The MSM makes it seem that this is just the first step with no protections for these other decisions- but Alito actually calls those decisions out specifically and says no.
Isn’t that disinformation from the MSM?
It's more about settled law and precedent.
During their confirmation hearings both Kavanaugh and Gorsuch were repeatedly asked about Roe to which they replied was settled law and precedent. So... the argument becomes that IF Roe is effectively overturned then settled law and precedent is out the window, and those other protections mentioned could just as easily be in jeopardy absent settled law and precedent as a backstop. See republican US Senators comments, Collins and Murkowski, basically calling the justices liars and now having no confidence in the court.
Putting aside Collins and Murkowski's comments, Washington republicans generally seem more distressed over the leak than cheering the draft opinion. Kinda like a dog catching up to the car. I sense that many don't see this as a positive for them in the midterms. Meanwhile, democrats are all about the draft opinion with outrage and fear mongering which they obviously believe plays well for them.
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-05-22, 08:08
It's more about settled law and precedent.
During their confirmation hearings both Kavanaugh and Gorsuch were repeatedly asked about Roe to which they replied it was settled law and precedent. So... the argument becomes that IF Roe is effectively overturned then settled law and precedent is out the window, and those other protections mentioned could just as easily be in jeopardy absent settled law and precedent as a backstop. See republican US Senators comments, Collins and Murkowski, basically calling the justices liars and now having no confidence in the court.
Putting aside Collins and Murkowski's comments, Washington republicans generally seem more distressed over the leak than cheering the draft opinion. Kinda like a dog catching up to the car. I sense that many don't see this as a positive for them in the midterms. Meanwhile, democrats are all about the draft opinion with outrage and fear mongering which they obviously believe plays well for them.
What would happen to NRA funding if we won all the gun cases and there was no more bogey man out there.
My point with the new ruling is that if it explicitly says in it that the reasoning used shouldn't be applied to other rulings for the explicit reason that gay marriage, Brown, and others aren't killing a baby- doesn't that kind of make moot the argument that this is going end everything?
What I do think is being lost, and it may actually just be unreported, is that we HAVE rights and that the govt doesn't give us those, we make them acknowledge them. 2A doesn't give us the right to self-defense, we HAVE that right. On the abortion issue, the left has never acknowledged that there is a baby or that people are pregnant because of their actions. THey want to frame the debate that all of a sudden a woman (whatever that is) has a bunch of cells in her that are going to ruin their lives.
I think that it is pure disinformation that this would lead to wholesale rolling back of the dems favorite hobbies and pass-times, outside of the potential for issues around contraception since this decision has the term 'potential life' in it. Not sure why they went with that term. Fertilized and implanted- its a life. Discrete and separate from the birthing human.
I still don't get why the left focuses on the 'burden' of a child on a woman and how she can get rid of that, but a guy is on the hook for 18years and gets no decision in the matter.
ChattanoogaPhil
05-05-22, 09:54
What would happen to NRA funding if we won all the gun cases and there was no more bogey man out there.
My point with the new ruling is that if it explicitly says in it that the reasoning used shouldn't be applied to other rulings for the explicit reason that gay marriage, Brown, and others aren't killing a baby- doesn't that kind of make moot the argument that this is going end everything?
Right. NRA needling anti-gun boogeyman is a valid comparison to democrats needing boogeymen. That's what I was getting at when I earlier posted about democrats needing more villains to run against.
Not really. During confirmation hearings Gorsuch and Kavanaugh said Roe was settled law and respected precedence. Yet, here were are discussing overturning Roe, and republican US Senators lashing out at justices as liars and how the court can't be trusted. So ya really can't declare this draft opinion gold concerning other things as mentioned when it includes justices with "completely inconsistent" statements during their confirmation hearings.
----> "If this leaked draft opinion is the final decision and this reporting is accurate, it would be completely inconsistent with what Justice Gorsuch and Justice Kavanaugh said in their hearings and in our meetings in my office," Collins said in a statement
----> "We don't know what direction this decision will take. But if it goes in the direction this leaked copy (indicates), it rocks my confidence in the court right now," Murkowski said.
If there's a lack of confidence in the court upholding settled law and precedence, then boogeymen can be created for anything. And that's precisely what democrats are doing with the assistance of republican US Senators.
It's more about settled law and precedent.
During their confirmation hearings both Kavanaugh and Gorsuch were repeatedly asked about Roe to which they replied was settled law and precedent. So... the argument becomes that IF Roe is effectively overturned then settled law and precedent is out the window, and those other protections mentioned could just as easily be in jeopardy absent settled law and precedent as a backstop. See republican US Senators comments, Collins and Murkowski, basically calling the justices liars and now having no confidence in the court.
Putting aside Collins and Murkowski's comments, Washington republicans generally seem more distressed over the leak than cheering the draft opinion. Kinda like a dog catching up to the car. I sense that many don't see this as a positive for them in the midterms. Meanwhile, democrats are all about the draft opinion with outrage and fear mongering which they obviously believe plays well for them.
Well one point is a matter of law, the other is of emotion. We know how each side responds to their preferred dog whistles.
Meanwhile I find it amusing how the partisan political hacks are apoplectic that SCOTUS nominees might have "lied" to them? Hilarious now that the shoe is on the other foot. These ladies doth protest too much, methinks. :D
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-05-22, 12:10
Well one point is a matter of law, the other is of emotion. We know how each side responds to their preferred dog whistles.
Meanwhile I find it amusing how the partisan political hacks are apoplectic that SCOTUS nominees might have "lied" to them? Hilarious now that the shoe is on the other foot. These ladies doth protest too much, methinks. :D
That and the 'fact' that Trump invented lying. Never happened in politics before...
Diamondback
05-05-22, 12:18
That and the 'fact' that Trump invented lying. Never happened in politics before...
Part of me wishes Trump had just done a Full Grandmaster Troll and said, "Everybody lies in politics, the difference is 1. I don't hide it and 2. I'll make sure to give you some entertainment watching the other circus clowns' reactions."
just a scout
05-05-22, 12:33
Settled law, precedence, case law, and stare decisis are nowhere in the Constitution. The Courts job, it’s main, central driving force is to decide if legislation is Constitutional. Abortion is and should be a state’s issue, not federal.
Leftists Direct Protestors to Intimidate Conservative Supreme Court Justices at Their Homes https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/05/05/leftists-direct-protestors-intimidate-conservative-supreme-court-justices-homes/
This right here destroys any credibility the Left claims on this issue. Typically, let legislate from the bench. Oh, we can’t get our way, let’s get the judges.
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ChattanoogaPhil
05-05-22, 13:12
Well one point is a matter of law, the other is of emotion. We know how each side responds to their preferred dog whistles.
Meanwhile I find it amusing how the partisan political hacks are apoplectic that SCOTUS nominees might have "lied" to them? Hilarious now that the shoe is on the other foot. These ladies doth protest too much, methinks. :D
Collins has already had the shoe thrown in her face by NARAL back in 2019. The recent leak is a big 'I told you so' moment for democrats.
NARAL
Throughout Brett Kavanaugh’s nomination process, Senator Susan Collins intentionally misled the public by saying that Kavanaugh did not pose a threat to Roe v. Wade’s protections for women and families.
It only took Kavanaugh four months into his lifetime appointment on the bench to prove that Susan Collins’ insistence that he would respect precedent was a complete lie. And now, she must own that, and answer to the millions of people in this country (and the vast majority who support Roe) who thought they could count on her to keep her word on her commitment to preserving Roe.
Susan Collins claims to support women and our fundamental freedoms but her defense of Kavanaugh in the examples below show that she intentionally covered up the fact that he is partisan justice who is willing to overturn precedent to achieve a final goal of criminalizing abortion and punishing women.
I still find it unsettling that the number one issue the Left stands for is the wanton murder of unborn children. Everything else is second fiddle.
Averageman
05-05-22, 18:07
I still find it unsettling that the number one issue the Left stands for is the wanton murder of unborn children. Everything else is second fiddle.
Well that's just this week; what I want to understand is why Dep vs Herd gets so much of our attention, but Epstein/Maxwell deal has been under reported until it's forgotten?
Our values have been lost. Apparently, you have to sh*t the bed to gain peoples attention?
Everything we get from the media is either an outright lie or diversionary to draw your attention away from real issues.
We've seen the left radicalize to the point of looting and burning and for the most part that went on for half of Trump's presidency, and yet Jan 6th is the topic at hand and we must of course have justice for that.
It's getting worse, not better out there and I think our Country has been destabilized. At some point the violence is going to hit the suburbs and then your going to half to turn off your conservative AM Stations and pick up a gun.
I don't know when, but this mere whisper of a possible decision, perhaps coming from the SCOTUS has only further divided us and Joe Biden is pushing "Radical Maga Groups".
The Left is Sopping this up with a bisket.
Whoever leaked this is truly and evil person.
Diamondback
05-05-22, 18:19
I still find it unsettling that the number one issue the Left stands for is the wanton murder of unborn children. Everything else is second fiddle.
That's the game, we push their ghoulish freakery loud and hard enough to turn the Normies' stomachs and get them to revolt we win.
25 years ago one of my HS classmates was explicitly banned from mentioning details about Partial-Birth and other infanticide methods when he chose Pro-Life as the subject of a class Position Paper & Speech assignment, for that very reason...
Personally, I have one abortion procedure I'd fully support offering post-first trimester: Find an adopting family, induce labor and deliver to Preemie NICU, parental rights irrevocably terminated and transferred to the adopting family with records sealed upon the baby crowning. The unwanting mother gets out of carrying, the couple that couldn't have kids gets to be a family, the kid gets to live... everybody wins except the ghouls at Planned Butcherhood who sell baby parts for Ferrari money.
That's the game, we push their ghoulish freakery loud and hard enough to turn the Normies' stomachs and get them to revolt we win.
25 years ago one of my HS classmates was explicitly banned from mentioning details about Partial-Birth and other infanticide methods when he chose Pro-Life as the subject of a class Position Paper & Speech assignment, for that very reason...
Personally, I have one abortion procedure I'd fully support offering post-first trimester: Find an adopting family, induce labor and deliver to Preemie NICU, parental rights irrevocably terminated and transferred to the adopting family with records sealed upon the baby crowning. The unwanting mother gets out of carrying, the couple that couldn't have kids gets to be a family, the kid gets to live... everybody wins except the ghouls at Planned Butcherhood who sell baby parts for Ferrari money.
If your daughter got raped and it resulted in her being pregnant, would you have that same position?
I would not.
Your daughter knowing her DNA mixed with the rapist is floating around in public somewhere, waiting for one of those DNA kits to cause the kid to knock on her door two decades later.
Then your daughter gets to relive that all over again.
I'm am not saying abortion is good/right, but in a few cases it should be an option.
I guess the other option is to live with the willful murder of a baby everyday for the rest of your life.
Diamondback
05-05-22, 19:46
If your daughter got raped and it resulted in her being pregnant, would you have that same position?
I would not.
Your daughter knowing her DNA mixed with the rapist is floating around in public somewhere, waiting for one of those DNA kits to cause the kid to knock on her door two decades later.
Then your daughter gets to relive that all over again.
I'm am not saying abortion is good/right, but in a few cases it should be an option.
That comment was specific to the context of Post Viability--if my daughter was raped the very FIRST things we'd be having done after she told me would be preg and VD tests, hopefully within the window of options like RU486, and then it'd be her call. The challenge here is it's a really nasty Competing Harms situation no matter what.
Even most "Pro-Choicers" around here I know say "you get First Trimester then You HAD Your Chance."
A Product of rape...my life has value.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/05/05/my-life-has-value-pennsylvania-senate-candidate-kathy-barnette-talks-being-conceived-in-rape/
That comment was specific to the context of Post Viability--if my daughter was raped the very FIRST things we'd be having done after she told me would be preg and VD tests, hopefully within the window of options like RU486, and then it'd be her call. The challenge here is it's a really nasty Competing Harms situation no matter what.
Even most "Pro-Choicers" around here I know say "you get First Trimester then You HAD Your Chance."Ok
Thanks for the explanation, I misunderstood where you were going with that.
I agree on getting to the first trimester comment, and how to deal with the rape situation, as I said I misunderstood your post.
The_War_Wagon
05-05-22, 20:36
It's more about settled law and precedent.
Like Plessy vs. Ferguson?
This was definitely THE most divisive decision since some of the slavery related decisions like Dred Scott. The demigods on SCOTUS decided that baby murder was legal. The ancient Romans would have been in agreement. Wise Christians and many secularists understood the titanic implications of that fateful day. Rights no longer depended on a "God" of nature, but the brave new world of the depraved had rested away the meaning of rights and who creates them. The left is now threating the justices, I think their lives are in jeopardy. They may not have the guts to press on. The nation has seen a little light, and the darkness will not let this go. This quite possibly may be bigger than the BLM fubar.
The_War_Wagon
05-05-22, 20:46
https://i.ibb.co/QNWgv0Y/2A-4.jpg
Diamondback
05-05-22, 20:50
Like Plessy vs. Ferguson?
Or Dred Scott...
Diamondback
05-05-22, 20:51
Ok
Thanks for the explanation, I misunderstood where you were going with that.
I agree on getting to the first trimester comment, and how to deal with the rape situation, as I said I misunderstood your post.
NP, I always try to put my caveats up front but sometimes they're easier to miss than I'd like.
Averageman
05-05-22, 21:16
Like I said earlier in this thread, this should have stayed at State level The pro-abortion folks couldn't be made happy with that, they went Federal with this.
It's almost as if they want to push until they get slapped down and then cry foul. I'm sorry at that point you get what you've asked for.
I'm pretty sure that this wouldn't have been an issue, until again the pro-abortion people pushed too hard and in the wrong State.
So, when these people, (the same ones who demanded you mask and be vaccinated in some cases.) cry foul it's almost always because they couldn't be happy until they get partial birth abortion everywhere.
Diamondback
05-05-22, 21:22
Like I said earlier in this thread, this should have stayed at State level The pro-abortion folks couldn't be made happy with that, they went Federal with this.
It's almost as if they want to push until they get slapped down and then cry foul. I'm sorry at that point you get what you've asked for.
I'm pretty sure that this wouldn't have been an issue, until again the pro-abortion people pushed too hard and in the wrong State.
So, when these people, (the same ones who demanded you mask and be vaccinated in some cases.) cry foul it's almost always because they couldn't be happy until they get partial birth abortion everywhere.
Precisely, they're a specialized kind of bully. The nasty little kid who pokes and pokes at every opportunity when the adults aren't looking then at the first pushback screams "MOMMY HE HIT ME!"
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-05-22, 21:24
NYS and here in CO, they went full retard in that you can kill your kid up till birth. Trully sick.
And that is the conundrum that the left hasn't figure out. If they try to pass a pro-abortion bill, they have to go full stupid and have that 40-week/until-birth level of commitment in it- and that isn't going to play with people. Hell, past 36 weeks a baby isn't even premature and you are going to try to codify it as being OK to kill it?
Let the Dems bring a national level, till birth abortion bill up, and make all the Red state dems have to sign off on killing kids that are obviously kids. Throw that on top of all the gender-bender, crap-history CRT, and economic failure. That's a winning platform- for the 10% furthest left...
And I'm sure that the FBI is following-up on all these SCOTUS death threats and putting thousands of agents undercover to get conspiracy cases going.
Diamondback
05-05-22, 21:31
NYS and here in CO, they went full retard in that you can kill your kid up till birth. Trully sick.
And that is the conundrum that the left hasn't figure out. If they try to pass a pro-abortion bill, they have to go full stupid and have that 40-week/until-birth level of commitment in it- and that isn't going to play with people. Hell, past 36 weeks a baby isn't even premature and you are going to try to codify it as being OK to kill it?
Let the Dems bring a national level, till birth abortion bill up, and make all the Red state dems have to sign off on killing kids that are obviously kids. Throw that on top of all the gender-bender, crap-history CRT, and economic failure. That's a winning platform- for the 10% furthest left...
And I'm sure that the FBI is following-up on all these SCOTUS death threats and putting thousands of agents undercover to get conspiracy cases going.
Hell, some Blue States they wanna extend your ability to "abort" into a few months to a year AFTER birth...
Averageman
05-05-22, 21:35
NYS and here in CO, they went full retard in that you can kill your kid up till birth. Trully sick.
And that is the conundrum that the left hasn't figure out. If they try to pass a pro-abortion bill, they have to go full stupid and have that 40-week/until-birth level of commitment in it- and that isn't going to play with people. Hell, past 36 weeks a baby isn't even premature and you are going to try to codify it as being OK to kill it?
Let the Dems bring a national level, till birth abortion bill up, and make all the Red state dems have to sign off on killing kids that are obviously kids. Throw that on top of all the gender-bender, crap-history CRT, and economic failure. That's a winning platform- for the 10% furthest left...
And I'm sure that the FBI is following-up on all these SCOTUS death threats and putting thousands of agents undercover to get conspiracy cases going.
Well, that's all well and good, but they're being dishonest, every step of the way. So, if you don't want the same kind of Laws Colorado has, well you're against all abortions.
That's simply dishonest and fear mongering. And yet, none of that will be reported.
You're simply after their "Reproductive Rights."
You know when you have "Reproductive Rights" you have Reproductive responsibilities. There are numerous birth control methods out there, if your in a bad situation there is also RU4186. Then you've essentially got 3 1/2 months to get an abortion.
I mean how many more options need to be available?
The STATE's? Really. They're no more trust worthy than the wretches that got us here in the first place. What are the states going to decide? That baby murder is ok in our little piece of paradise? What kind of decision is that other than the decision of deprave reprobates. I want Roe gone, but thinking that the grand solution is now the states taking the issue on is, well, ludicrous. Guys like Newson absolutely lust for the blood of babies. The US deserves dissolution for this grievous horror. 60,000,000 butchered babies...it's beyond shameful.
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-05-22, 22:16
The STATE's? Really. They're no more trust worthy than the wretches that got us here in the first place. What are the states going to decide? That baby murder is ok in our little piece of paradise? What kind of decision is that other than the decision of deprave reprobates. I want Roe gone, but thinking that the grand solution is now the states taking the issue on is, well, ludicrous. Guys like Newson absolutely lust for the blood of babies. The US deserves dissolution for this grievous horror. 60,000,000 butchered babies...it's beyond shameful.
In principle the more local the decision, the better. But my buddy that is a lobbyist at the state level says that state level pols are the kids that weren't cool enough for student govt in High school, and are now getting their revenge.... It's a stepping stone for truly gifted liars and leaders, and a pinnacle for people that want to seem important.
In principle the more local the decision, the better. But my buddy that is a lobbyist at the state level says that state level pols are the kids that weren't cool enough for student govt in High school, and are now getting their revenge.... It's a stepping stone for truly gifted liars and leaders, and a pinnacle for people that want to seem important.
Swell, and these are the bottom feeders that babies are dependent upon. God have mercy on us all.
In principle the more local the decision, the better. But my buddy that is a lobbyist at the state level says that state level pols are the kids that weren't cool enough for student govt in High school, and are now getting their revenge.... It's a stepping stone for truly gifted liars and leaders, and a pinnacle for people that want to seem important.
Mark Twain wrote two short stories- “The Story of the Bad Little Boy” and “The Story of the Good Little Boy”- in which he illustrated this phenomenon. The worst kind of people becoming politicians is nothing new but if it is any worse now, I don’t know.
Like Plessy vs. Ferguson?
Seriously. People are acting like no SCOTUS ruling has ever been overturned.
Adoption needs to be made easier. My cousin is a Sheriff Deputy in western NY and there was this lady that he had arrested numerous times for various reasons, all stemming from her crack addiction. Well, one day she comes into the station asking for him, says that she’s pregnant, knows that she’s a screw up, doesn’t want an abortion and knows she won’t be able to care for the kid. She asked my cousin if he and his wife would adopt the baby once it was born. They agreed, they had trouble having kids of their own and were fostering two brothers at the time. Fast forward to today, all three kids have been officially adopted by my cousin but I know it was a long and expensive process for them.
Since this all happened after I’ve moved to CA I haven’t had a chance to meet the kids in person but should be able to later this summer.
ChattanoogaPhil
05-06-22, 14:13
In principle the more local the decision, the better. But my buddy that is a lobbyist at the state level says that state level pols are the kids that weren't cool enough for student govt in High school, and are now getting their revenge.... It's a stepping stone for truly gifted liars and leaders, and a pinnacle for people that want to seem important.
There hasn't been an abortion provider here in Chattanooga for 30 years. The abortion clinic was torn down and turned into a memorial for the unborn. No one asked Washington for permission nor state lawmakers, governor nor city council or mayor. If ya want an abortion go some place else.
This is an illustration of how American communities work absent a bunch of government bureaucrats meddling in things they have no business.
https://www.memorialfortheunborn.org/about-us?showall=&start=1
Abortion is a very strange issue to me.
The Republicans are against it and the Marxist are for it. That is just ss@ backwards to me.
Multiple tens of millions of marxist voters killed before they could live. Just imagine of abortion never was legal. The marxist would rule the country. But they are for it and the Republicans are against it. CRAZY on both sides.
Never forget Hitler started with abortion and ended up with gas chambers
Diamondback
05-07-22, 20:46
Abortion is a very strange issue to me.
The Republicans are against it and the Marxist are for it. That is just ss@ backwards to me.
Multiple tens of millions of marxist voters killed before they could live. Just imagine of abortion never was legal. The marxist would rule the country. But they are for it and the Republicans are against it. CRAZY on both sides.
Never forget Hitler started with abortion and ended up with gas chambers
Kinda explains why the Nationalist Socialist Demofascist Asswipes Party is so big on importing serfs from every Turd Whirled Shithole they can, doesn't it?
The Dumb Gun Collector
05-07-22, 20:59
The Republican Party may be a mess, but the democrats are objectively far more in line with Nazi philosophies. They are a racially obsessed bunch of anti-liberal (in the true sense), pro euthanasia, pro abortion, central government worshiping nature worshiping, animal worshiping wackaoodles.
Diamondback
05-07-22, 21:05
The Republican Party may be a mess, but the democrats are objectively far more in line with Nazi philosophies. They are a racially obsessed bunch of anti-liberal (in the true sense), pro euthanasia, pro abortion, central government worshiping nature worshiping, animal worshiping wackaoodles.
If memory serves, Hitler and Mussolini were both ideological children of Woodrow Wilson and his "Administrative State," ugly siblings of the lineage from FDR to LBJ to today.
If memory serves, Hitler and Mussolini were both ideological children of Woodrow Wilson and his "Administrative State," ugly siblings of the lineage from FDR to LBJ to today.
Yup, and Hitler just adored Margret Sanger, the founder of planned parenthood.
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-09-22, 23:39
Soooo, they are trying to say that it might have been a conservative clerk, or even a conservative justice that leaked it....
1. The initial reactions are the most telling- conservatives hated the leak, the dems wanted to blow him.
2. The leak was to Politico, not some other place. Politico? Never a bastion of right wing propaganda....
3. If it was good for conservatives, we would have never heard about it.
Business_Casual
05-10-22, 06:14
Weird, all this bad economic news and markets are dropping while every news cycle is focused on a niche issue. Odd how the opinion has little resemblance to anything written by it’s purported author.
Its idiocracy 2.0. The liberals literally cannot conceive anything but a hive mentality, which prevents understanding there has to be an argument for both sides of the case. The existance of a brief arguing for or against the defendants of any case the Supreme Court has taken means nothing at all.
Its a distraction and an attempt to encourage Dems to vote in November.
Andy
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-10-22, 08:05
Weird, all this bad economic news and markets are dropping while every news cycle is focused on a niche issue. Odd how the opinion has little resemblance to anything written by it’s purported author.
Actually, from what I’ve heard, it does sound like him and it has been vouched for SCOTUS?
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-10-22, 08:31
So I didn’t want to start a separate topic, but I think I have a strategy for dealing with the lefty baby-death cultists. I live and my family operates is a pretty progressive tone deaf crowd. They think that everyone of them is a Whole Foods, NPR, Michelle Obama dick sucking, ‘hate has no home here’ sign wielding idiot and they think that everyone else is too- because they have to be. I am not with the tribe. I’m also not a big abortion as a cause person, mainly because I think by objective reality you have to understand that it is some pretty wicked stuff. Through one way or another, over time, people will eventually look at abortion as a great stain on western culture than slavery. That or until the find that the ‘gay gene’ can be pre-nataly tested for- then everyone will be against abortion.
But I digress…
Since I’m not going to get into a pro-con debate with these people in abortion, but I can’t keep my pie hole shut, I’m thinking of taking the tact that if some virtue-signaling A-hole starts bringing up abortion at some kids event I have to attend (the irony of that or the fact that they even bring it up is crazy) I think I’m not going to take an anti-abortion stance, I was thinking about going the other way, being that person who is inappropriately over pro-abortion and berate anyone that disagrees. Here in CO, we allow you to kill your baby right up to birth- literally at 40 weeks your can pull a Caesar with a thumbs up or down. F-ing barbaric.
Anyone got any good one-liner comments to make people sick?
I think we need to abort more babies…
I think it should be illegal to have a baby shower since it’s not a baby until it born.
(Anyone able to craft one on how racist it is that we inordinately kill minority kids without sounding like a racist? Abortion is racist, but how can you be pro-abortion and not sound racist? “We need to keep the black population down with abortion” is what is happening, but they never get called out on.)
The more babies we abort, the better we can fight climate change. (It’s a two-fer!)
We can harvest the stem cells and use it in anti-aging creams…
The tactic wouldn’t work if people had the decency to admit that Abortion is a pretty gruesome practice- instead we have people celebrating abortion, I’d just like to point out how inherently evil it is
FMCDH- tell them you recently reversed your vasectomy so you could get your wife pregnant so she could have an abortion, you know for solidarity.
Tell them they should all get pregnant and abort or they’re just Uncle Tom abortionists appropriating abortion culture. Fakers.
If they don’t get an abortion they’re just closer pro lifers!!!
Smash the patriarchy and join the cause already!
Tell them you want the laws changed to allow 100 week abortions, just in case it doesn’t feel right to a woman to be a mother, her body her choice of it “feels” right or not- so many women are ravaged by post natal depression- why should they suffer when the solution is so simple- abort it!
Business_Casual
05-10-22, 09:23
Actually, from what I’ve heard, it does sound like him and it has been vouched for SCOTUS?
For the sake of accuracy:
Chief Justice Roberts, in a press release issued by the Supreme Court, confirmed the draft’s authenticity. However, he emphasized that “it does not represent a decision by the Court or the final position of any member on the issues in the case.”
Diamondback
05-10-22, 10:02
FMCDH- tell them you recently reversed your vasectomy so you could get your wife pregnant so she could have an abortion, you know for solidarity.
Tell them they should all get pregnant and abort or they’re just Uncle Tom abortionists appropriating abortion culture. Fakers.
If they don’t get an abortion they’re just closer pro lifers!!!
Smash the patriarchy and join the cause already!
Tell them you want the laws changed to allow 100 week abortions, just in case it doesn’t feel right to a woman to be a mother, her body her choice of it “feels” right or not- so many women are ravaged by post natal depression- why should they suffer when the solution is so simple- abort it!
Tell 'em SERIOUS pro-abortionists go for the ultimate preemption and self-sterilize--why do just one when they can kill all their eggs at once?
It's dismaying how these freaks squander the gift of life they were given... my gal is infertile, and if it were medically possible would happily trade her plumbing with any of them--win win, give her a chance at kids and the other participant no longer has to worry about 'em.
Diamondback
05-10-22, 10:08
OH! Abortion on demand any time and up to age of majority--after all, until they start paying taxes they're just parasites anyway...
titsonritz
05-10-22, 13:27
If memory serves, Hitler and Mussolini were both ideological children of Woodrow Wilson and his "Administrative State," ugly siblings of the lineage from FDR to LBJ to today.
Yep, the fascists simply took the demonrat play book, changed a few name (blacks to Jews for one) and ran with the whole way. The pieces of shit leftist would do the same thing today if they weren't afraid of getting shot in the face over it as it is they trying their damnedest to control all things.
Tell 'em SERIOUS pro-abortionists go for the ultimate preemption and self-sterilize--why do just one when they can kill all their eggs at once?
It's dismaying how these freaks squander the gift of life they were given... my gal is infertile, and if it were medically possible would happily trade her plumbing with any of them--win win, give her a chance at kids and the other participant no longer has to worry about 'em.
You mean like this one?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/liberal-activist-claims-she-eagerly-sterilized-herself-because-of-debate-over-abortion-a-no-brainer/ar-AAX7scO?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=30b79ee874a64c7bb8b5820785360bd2
Diamondback
05-10-22, 15:43
You mean like this one?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/liberal-activist-claims-she-eagerly-sterilized-herself-because-of-debate-over-abortion-a-no-brainer/ar-AAX7scO?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=30b79ee874a64c7bb8b5820785360bd2
Yup, all we have to do is gaslight 'em right and the Left will sterilize itself into oblivion... then we have to shoulder the task of out-breeding them.
Yup, all we have to do is gaslight 'em right and the Left will sterilize itself into oblivion... then we have to shoulder the task of out-breeding them.
I mean if you haven't aborted at least three babies, do you really care about GACC? :confused:
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-11-22, 11:32
It won’t be long until you have the mini-vans with the family stickers in the back window. Dad, Mom, coat-hanger, kid, coat-hanger, coat-hanger, kid, coat-hanger, coat-hanger…
Or Planned Parenthood logos….
The fact that they are trying to pass a Abortion Dream Act- with killing viable babies until birth, letting non-doctors do abortions, and getting rid of parental consent- is COMPLETELY crazy.
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-11-22, 11:42
On a serious note, on these laws about not trying to influence judges, can a lawyer here explain how those integrate and co-exist with free-speech? I can see both sides to the argument. I think the critical thing is that judges/juries are not supposed to be influenced by things outside of the court- so I can see that the distinction would be between protesting and doing something meant to change the court. That is different from the other branches of govt which are directly, and purposefully, supposed to take into account the publics thoughts. So yes, people can show up in front of Chucky Schumer’s house and seek redress, but outside of a SCOTUS justices house? Specifically their house? That seems over the line. Hold a parade downtown saying that you hope this right is upheld, that seems kosher. Protesting outside of the court, that seems a middle ground and less clear to me. If it were a jury, I’d say definately not allowed- and you can see that intent in the laws. For a judge, I expect them not to be as easily swayed, so maybe in those cases.
Of course, that is outside of explicit language of “Decide X or we will do Y to you…”.
Diamondback
05-11-22, 12:54
Hopefully with these freakshow trash rioting outside even DEMS' places, that only pushes more people away from their cause.
On a serious note, on these laws about not trying to influence judges, can a lawyer here explain how those integrate and co-exist with free-speech? I can see both sides to the argument. I think the critical thing is that judges/juries are not supposed to be influenced by things outside of the court- so I can see that the distinction would be between protesting and doing something meant to change the court. That is different from the other branches of govt which are directly, and purposefully, supposed to take into account the publics thoughts. So yes, people can show up in front of Chucky Schumer’s house and seek redress, but outside of a SCOTUS justices house? Specifically their house? That seems over the line. Hold a parade downtown saying that you hope this right is upheld, that seems kosher. Protesting outside of the court, that seems a middle ground and less clear to me. If it were a jury, I’d say definately not allowed- and you can see that intent in the laws. For a judge, I expect them not to be as easily swayed, so maybe in those cases.
Of course, that is outside of explicit language of “Decide X or we will do Y to you…”.
That's the problem with our degenerate society. There's a difference between what one can do, and what one should do. Extremists on both sides cross that line at will, then wail like a banshee when the other side does likewise. So I get why people are upset about the leftist moonbats protesting in front of the homes of SCOTUS justices.
But, let's admit some inconvenient truths here. None of this would be happening if the entire federal government hadn't stopped being responsive to the people's right to petition. The fact that there's a federal law against these types of protests is itself a gross violation of the Constitution. A violation that SCOTUS should've already put down. But that would require them to actually do their jobs, which is something they've been loathe to do. Especially when it comes to the 4th Amendment. They've repeatedly sided with increased government power and authority, rather than protecting We The People. Can anyone tell me why the "Patriot" Act hasn't been struck down? How about REAL ID? Why did no one go to prison over the IRS scandal? Or DoJ's Operation Choke Point? How about the "Affordable" Care Act?
I could go on and on ad nauseum, but the fact is that the courts have routinely abdicated their sworn duty to uphold the Constitution of the United States, and We The People have suffered as a result. In each of those instances, they had a duty to smack the government down hard, but they didn't. They either punted (refused to hear), remanded to a lower court, or issued such a narrow and limited ruling that it was ineffective to combat government overreach. In numerous cases in this century, they outright sided with the government against the rights of The People. And yes in a lot of those cases, some of the "conservative" Justices who sided with increased government authority, are the very same ones now being picketed by the moonbats.
The result is we no longer have an effective means of petition for redress. It's still there in theory, but in practice it's been nullified. So my response to the protests in front of their homes right now? **** em, let them eat cake. America is fracturing and near to shattering into a billion pieces, because all three branches of our government are feckless and rotten to the core. Chief Justice Roberts is as big a failure as Pelosi, Schumer and Biden are. How can we trust a judiciary that's so severely compromised by special interests? I don't trust him any more than I trust the aforementioned trio of brigands. If a giant wave came tomorrow and swept them all down into the Milwaukee Deep, our nation would be better off.
If they don't stop their brinksmanship BS and return to sane, sound principles of governance, there will ultimately be a reckoning. I just hope I'm not around to see it.
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt1_4_1/
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-11-22, 14:44
Thanks, but I think the point is that the right to petition and influence a court is different than that of a politician. You can influence the court, say anything you want through a friend of the court briefing, that is when it should be done. Let me put this most clearly- does the freedom of speech give you the right to speak to jurors deliberating on a case? Most decidedly, No. If that were true, why even have a trial and rules of evidence? That is the difference between a politician and a court official.
The further away you get from a jury, the less clear that it is to me. And there is a difference between protesting and trying to intimidate. Protest is outside of the SCOTUS building, you show up at someone’s house- that is trying to influence.
I learned watching Legally Blonde that the “Law is reason, free from passion.”
Now, could you protest a decision after the fact at someone’s house. I guess so, since you are not influencing the decision.
Thanks, but I think the point is that the right to petition and influence a court is different than that of a politician. You can influence the court, say anything you want through a friend of the court briefing, that is when it should be done. Let me put this most clearly- does the freedom of speech give you the right to speak to jurors deliberating on a case? Most decidedly, No. If that were true, why even have a trial and rules of evidence? That is the difference between a politician and a court official.
The further away you get from a jury, the less clear that it is to me. And there is a difference between protesting and trying to intimidate. Protest is outside of the SCOTUS building, you show up at someone’s house- that is trying to influence.
I learned watching Legally Blonde that the “Law is reason, free from passion.”
Now, could you protest a decision after the fact at someone’s house. I guess so, since you are not influencing the decision.
LOL and Double LOL. You really think that average Joe Citizen is going to get a friend of the court briefing entered into the SCOTUS record? And the "Law" being reasonable and free from passion is just hilarious. Sorry, I just can't bring myself to so much as raise an eyebrow at SCOTUS justices homes getting picketed. It ranks right up there with what the Kartrashians are hawking today. They've done this to themselves and I don't feel sorry for them. Not one teeny tiny little bit! :no:
The_War_Wagon
05-11-22, 18:49
What today's yutes need are more dads like mine - a no-nonsense USCG CWO-4 - his birds 'n' bees speech was part of his one sentence life advice series - He said, "if you knock some girl up, & her dad comes lookin' to kill ya', I'll help hold you down for him!" That's why I'd been married 4+ years before our first was born - JUST to be SAFE! Keeping it in your pants is still 100% effective in avoiding pregnancy thousands of years later!
Diamondback
05-11-22, 20:26
What today's yutes need are more dads like mine - a no-nonsense USCG CWO-4 - his birds 'n' bees speech was part of his one sentence life advice series - He said, "if you knock some girl up, & her dad comes lookin' to kill ya', I'll help hold you down for him!" That's why I'd been married 4+ years before our first was born - JUST to be SAFE! Keeping it in your pants is still 100% effective in avoiding pregnancy thousands of years later!
Heck, I'm ten years my gal's junior (I'm 40, she's 50) and spawning crotchfruit is off the table for her, and her dad *still* regards me with suspicion... LOL But yeah, more young males, particularly the urban type, need this kind of father-figure to whip them into shape and help them develop into men.
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-12-22, 19:14
I can’t wait until in the future when all of the Democratic politicians supporting abortion have their names and statues and tributes all torn down. Is in evitable that eventually, one way or the other, abortion will be seen as a moral abomination that makes slavery pale in comparison. At that point, anyone who supported it will be held accountable, and especially these leaders that gleefully try to put abortion as a saintly act will be judged the most harshly.
Diamondback
05-12-22, 19:18
I can’t wait until in the future when all of the Democratic politicians supporting abortion have their names and statues and tributes all torn down. Is in evitable that eventually, one way or the other, abortion will be seen as a moral abomination that makes slavery pale in comparison. At that point, anyone who supported it will be held accountable, and especially these leaders that gleefully try to put abortion as a saintly act will be judged the most harshly.
D's STILL refuse to cancel their Klansmen heroes like Sheets Byrd... Biden still embraces him as his mentor.
Protest is outside of the SCOTUS building, you show up at someone’s house- that is trying to influence.
It's that simple!
Tell 'em SERIOUS pro-abortionists go for the ultimate preemption and self-sterilize--why do just one when they can kill all their eggs at once?
Ask them if they believe in partial birth abortion. If the answer is yes. Then ask them if you can abort a born baby, in other words infanticide. If they answer is yes. Then tell them you finally agree with them, and then tell them to go abort themselves. If they answer your crazy, then you know they are liars and full of bovine fecal material.
The_War_Wagon
05-13-22, 07:39
Ask them if they believe in partial birth abortion. If the answer is yes. Then ask them...
...this way!!!
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