View Full Version : My Scalerworks Aimpoint mount busted.
I noticed my Aimpoint was a little off from the Irons on my rifle. I checked the torx screws and they were loose and the sight had visibly moved forward in the mount.
I went to remount everything and heard a small snap. I though I broke the screw. (I'm not normally one to over tighten something, but?)
https://i.imgur.com/xMJuEB3.jpg
I've seen a couple photos like this now. As a new owner of a scalarworks aimpoint magnifier mount it concerns me a bit.
I'm crapped out. I feel like I should have seen the fragile hinge and been more careful, but now that I look at the hinge, it seems like a pretty weak part of the design.
I have another of these mount on my house gun.
I just checked my house gun, and it's solid. The sight hasn't slipped and the fasteners feel tight with the torx driver.
The broken mount did have the red thread adhesive on them, but they didn't seem to tighten up well. The vibratite (or whatever) looked prestine before I broke the damned thing.
I just checked my house gun, and it's solid. The sight hasn't slipped and the fasteners feel tight with the torx driver.
The broken mount did have the red thread adhesive on them, but they didn't seem to tighten up well. The vibratite (or whatever) looked prestine before I broke the damned thing.
I thought most Aimpoints came with their own mount.
are there any alternatives to this mount by other manufacturers? Geissele? ADM? Midwest? (never used aimpoint pro, but T2-style mounts from geissele and ADM are great.)
Scalarworks updated the hinge design. Contact them and they’ll replace the mount with the updated stronger hinge design.
Defaultmp3
05-30-22, 14:05
are there any alternatives to this mount by other manufacturers? Geissele? ADM? Midwest? (never used aimpoint pro, but T2-style mounts from geissele and ADM are great.)Folks that make 30mm Aimpoint mounts that I'm aware of:
ADM: https://www.admmfg.com/aimpoint-m68-mount
KAC: https://www.knightarmco.com/12899/shop/sighting/optic-mounts/reddot/30mm-aimpoint-comp-mount-high-wforward-offset-k
Wilcox: https://tnvc.com/shop/wilcox-aimpoint-comp-m-mount/
Bobro: https://www.bobroengineering.com/Aimpoint-M2M3PRO-Single-Ring-Mount_p_74.html
KDG: https://kineticdg.com/product/sidelok-patrol-rifle-optic-c3-comp-m4/
Geissele: https://geissele.com/super-precision-aimpoint-pro-mount-black.html
LaRue: https://www.larue.com/products/larue-tactical-comp-m2-mount-lt150/
Midwest Industries: https://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/Cantiliver-QD-Ring-Mount-p/mi-qd68c.htm
GDI Engineering: https://bravocompanyusa.com/gdi-cmc5-osm-optical-sight-mount/
One can also use any CompM4 mount when used in combination with this ring: https://aimpoint.us/aimpoint-30mm-top-ring-fits-qrp2-tnp-lrp-not-required-for-compm4-series/
I'm not really a fan of most QD or minimalist designs. All you need is a 30mm ring. Vortex has some for $24, made in China though. I use Geissele ones only.
Folks that make 30mm Aimpoint mounts that I'm aware of:
ADM: https://www.admmfg.com/aimpoint-m68-mount
KAC: https://www.knightarmco.com/12899/shop/sighting/optic-mounts/reddot/30mm-aimpoint-comp-mount-high-wforward-offset-k
Wilcox: https://tnvc.com/shop/wilcox-aimpoint-comp-m-mount/
Bobro: https://www.bobroengineering.com/Aimpoint-M2M3PRO-Single-Ring-Mount_p_74.html
KDG: https://kineticdg.com/product/sidelok-patrol-rifle-optic-c3-comp-m4/
Geissele: https://geissele.com/super-precision-aimpoint-pro-mount-black.html
LaRue: https://www.larue.com/products/larue-tactical-comp-m2-mount-lt150/
Midwest Industries: https://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/Cantiliver-QD-Ring-Mount-p/mi-qd68c.htm
GDI Engineering: https://bravocompanyusa.com/gdi-cmc5-osm-optical-sight-mount/
One can also use any CompM4 mount when used in combination with this ring: https://aimpoint.us/aimpoint-30mm-top-ring-fits-qrp2-tnp-lrp-not-required-for-compm4-series/
That's a solid list, thanks for putting that together.
@markm, what hight are you looking for. During my last search I found there were (as you can see above) lots of options but most are standard or lower 1/3rd. I found there were not a ton of tall mounts like 1.93 and up.
Coal Dragger
05-30-22, 15:53
Damn MarkM sorry to hear your mount broke, not that it does you any good but I am impressed so far with the Geissele T1/T2 Super Precision Mount that I ordered along with an Aimpoint Comp M5 from Geissle. I realize it's not a 30mm tube style mount, but damn if it's not solid. Looking at the Geissle Aimpoint PRO mount I can't see any weak points on it, and I will be picking one up as soon as they come back in stock for my old beat up Comp M2.
Straight Shooter
05-30-22, 16:01
One of the IG/FB gun dudes who name I cant now recall, just a couple days posted pics of his broken mount like that...said it was the second one & he is DONE with that brand.
If I think of his name Ill update.
UPDATE: Mac at Military Arms Channel.
SW mounts are a poor design all around. I’ve been saying it for a good while now. People will find out as I did…
i am a fan of the scalarworks products. have a T1, and MRO mount and their peak irons. waiting to buy their flip ups. as for their tube optic mounts this was an original concern that the consumers found out about. i know they updated some of their hinges and have seen two new ones break. One was unsure about how it broke but the other was being mounted right in front of me. This was about a two weeks ago. I really wanted one for my new lpvo set up but i will be giving my money to another company until this really does get fixed.
Coal Dragger
05-30-22, 22:44
SW mounts are a poor design all around. I’ve been saying it for a good while now. People will find out as I did…
When I was selecting a new red dot sight and mount, I strongly considered a Scalarworks LEAP with an Aimpoint Comp M5. For whatever reason my Marine/Caveman spidey senses told me that my stupid ass would end up breaking the mount somehow because that is what happens when I buy anything that is more complicated than necessary.
So I bought a Geissele mount for the Comp M5 instead, because it's as simple as a mount can be made.
Scalarworks updated the hinge design. Contact them and they’ll replace the mount with the updated stronger hinge design.
Really? That would be great. I'm a lower 1/3 fan to answer vandal5's question.
When I was selecting a new red dot sight and mount, I strongly considered a Scalarworks LEAP with an Aimpoint Comp M5. For whatever reason my Marine/Caveman spidey senses told me that my stupid ass would end up breaking the mount somehow because that is what happens when I buy anything that is more complicated than necessary.
So I bought a Geissele mount for the Comp M5 instead, because it's as simple as a mount can be made.
They’re as bomb-proof as you can make a Micro mount too. WAY overbuilt for what’s bolted to it, but they are the best.
When I was selecting a new red dot sight and mount, I strongly considered a Scalarworks LEAP with an Aimpoint Comp M5. For whatever reason my Marine/Caveman spidey senses told me that my stupid ass would end up breaking the mount somehow because that is what happens when I buy anything that is more complicated than necessary.
So I bought a Geissele mount for the Comp M5 instead, because it's as simple as a mount can be made.
They’re as bomb-proof as you can make a Micro mount too. WAY overbuilt for what’s bolted to it, but they are the best.
I was eyeballing Geissele as a replacement yesterday. Pappabear gave me one for my Romeo 5, and it's solid.
If Scaler truly will replace this, I'll use the replacement. The pic rail interface seems fine to me.
Looks like Scalar is going to take care of the situation. I just have to get them a pic and sku, etc.
I can’t say much about the product or design but it’s a good investment to purchase adjustable or fixed torque limiter’s and tighten to manufacturers specs
UPDATE: Mac at Military Arms Channel.
Isn't that the same dude who demanded payment if a company wanted a good review ($5-10k)? Isn't he the dude who owns a gun shop, but pretends he is just some guy trying to help people while he works on these videos all alone? Or am i confusing with with some high class individual milking the public?
I know this can't be the same guy who was enlisted (enlisted is awesome by the way) but pretended he was a full USMC COLONEL?!?!!? He got shirts made, wore the rank and everything. Then he got called out on it and passed it off saying he was a "KY Colonel" and everyone knows what he means. Totally blaming the viewers for believing what he told them? Please tell me we aren't talking about the same person, because that would be obscene.
This is why I almost NEVER watch gun videos on Youtard. I'm not trying to give views/revenue to beat offs who don't deserve it.
I can’t say much about the product or design but it’s a good investment to purchase adjustable or fixed torque limiter’s and tighten to manufacturers specs
I don't totally disagree. But clearly this was a weakness in the original design that apparently Scalar has improved.
Folks that make 30mm Aimpoint mounts that I'm aware of:
ADM: https://www.admmfg.com/aimpoint-m68-mount
KAC: https://www.knightarmco.com/12899/shop/sighting/optic-mounts/reddot/30mm-aimpoint-comp-mount-high-wforward-offset-k
Wilcox: https://tnvc.com/shop/wilcox-aimpoint-comp-m-mount/
Bobro: https://www.bobroengineering.com/Aimpoint-M2M3PRO-Single-Ring-Mount_p_74.html
KDG: https://kineticdg.com/product/sidelok-patrol-rifle-optic-c3-comp-m4/
Geissele: https://geissele.com/super-precision-aimpoint-pro-mount-black.html
LaRue: https://www.larue.com/products/larue-tactical-comp-m2-mount-lt150/
Midwest Industries: https://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/Cantiliver-QD-Ring-Mount-p/mi-qd68c.htm
GDI Engineering: https://bravocompanyusa.com/gdi-cmc5-osm-optical-sight-mount/
One can also use any CompM4 mount when used in combination with this ring: https://aimpoint.us/aimpoint-30mm-top-ring-fits-qrp2-tnp-lrp-not-required-for-compm4-series/
Great info. Thank you. Both Geissele and KAC look great.
I feel a bit conflicted about QD mounts in general. I like the idea of QD and tool-less function, yet don't use it that often.
I feel a bit conflicted about QD mounts in general. I like the idea of QD and tool-less function, yet don't use it that often.
That's one of the things that drew me to the Scalar. It's not QD, but it is tool-less.
titsonritz
05-31-22, 18:05
Scalarworks updated the hinge design. Contact them and they’ll replace the mount with the updated stronger hinge design.
When did this "update" take place? I am wondering if I have the original or updated version. I have several SW products, I have returned two rear PEAK sights due the bearings/springs in the rear aperture that choked and were replaced with new ones.
Apparently some people have gained value from a list of 30mm RDS mounts, so I’ll add one that I liked.
Daniel Defense
https://www.primaryarms.com/daniel-defense-30mm-red-dot-mount-1-60in-high-black
Eurodriver
05-31-22, 18:12
Isn't that the same dude who demanded payment if a company wanted a good review ($5-10k)? Isn't he the dude who owns a gun shop, but pretends he is just some guy trying to help people while he works on these videos all alone? Or am i confusing with with some high class individual milking the public?
I know this can't be the same guy who was enlisted (enlisted is awesome by the way) but pretended he was a full USMC COLONEL?!?!!? He got shirts made, wore the rank and everything. Then he got called out on it and passed it off saying he was a "KY Colonel" and everyone knows what he means. Totally blaming the viewers for believing what he told them? Please tell me we aren't talking about the same person, because that would be obscene.
No. It's not that guy.
It's the guy who bought an entire imported supply of rifles and then jacked the prices up as he was now the sole supplier.
I'm with markm. It's absolutely incredible how obsessed people are with youtube gun guys.
titsonritz
05-31-22, 18:16
Isn't that the same dude who demanded payment if a company wanted a good review ($5-10k)? Isn't he the dude who owns a gun shop, but pretends he is just some guy trying to help people while he works on these videos all alone? Or am i confusing with with some high class individual milking the public?
I know this can't be the same guy who was enlisted (enlisted is awesome by the way) but pretended he was a full USMC COLONEL?!?!!? He got shirts made, wore the rank and everything. Then he got called out on it and passed it off saying he was a "KY Colonel" and everyone knows what he means. Totally blaming the viewers for believing what he told them? Please tell me we aren't talking about the same person, because that would be obscene.
https://www.hawaiireporter.com/on-target-interview-tim-harmsen-of-military-arms-channel-part-1/
Q: Your bio says that you are an Armed Citizens United board member, NRA member, Oath Keeper and are commissioned as a Colonel by the Governor of Kentucky. Which of these activities are you most active? Care to talk about any of them?
A: I joined up with Armed Citizens United mostly because I felt other gun rights groups weren’t doing all they could to defend against the constant encroachment on our rights. None of the other big groups wanted to fight to repeal the NFA or to take a no compromise position on our rights.
I maintain my membership in the NRA because it is the largest of the pro-gun groups, however I find myself disenchanted with them often times. But, I support them through the good times and the bad.
The Oath Keepers is something I believe in very strongly and I urge all military, LEO’s and Firefighters to join them. If you don’t know who they are, or what they stand for, check them out on the web at http://oathkeepers.org/oath/.
When did this "update" take place? I am wondering if I have the original or updated version. I have several SW products, I have returned two rear PEAK sights due the bearings/springs in the rear aperture that choked and were replaced with new ones.
Not a 100% sure of exact time frame but fairly certain after 2018 for the OP's mount.
titsonritz
05-31-22, 19:57
Not a 100% sure of exact time frame but fairly certain after 2018 for the OP's mount.
I wonder if the update coincided with the 1.93" release. Just reaching. I purchased mine 11/19, it is 1.93".
I wonder if the update coincided with the 1.93" release. Just reaching. I purchased mine 11/19, it is 1.93".
Not sure about that. From what I understand the redesign was to address the weak hinge point after a number issues.
Isn't that the same dude who demanded payment if a company wanted a good review ($5-10k)? Isn't he the dude who owns a gun shop, but pretends he is just some guy trying to help people while he works on these videos all alone? Or am i confusing with with some high class individual milking the public?
I know this can't be the same guy who was enlisted (enlisted is awesome by the way) but pretended he was a full USMC COLONEL?!?!!? He got shirts made, wore the rank and everything. Then he got called out on it and passed it off saying he was a "KY Colonel" and everyone knows what he means. Totally blaming the viewers for believing what he told them? Please tell me we aren't talking about the same person, because that would be obscene.
No, we're talking about the guy who whipped a VP9 at a hardened steel plate and was surprised one of the polymer mag levers broke off.
One of the IG/FB gun dudes who name I cant now recall, just a couple days posted pics of his broken mount like that...said it was the second one & he is DONE with that brand.
If I think of his name Ill update.
UPDATE: Mac at Military Arms Channel.
MAC probably hates them because he doesn't sell them at Copper Customs. That dude's credibility was completely shot with me after he got called out on that whole AK import situation. That being said I have heard about the Scalarworks hinge issues in the past sa well. I have a T1/T2 mount and an MRO mount that has held up fine but thats apples to oranges.
Same. I blocked everything related to the MAC after the Hungarian Dragunov scam.
That being said I have heard about the Scalarworks hinge issues in the past sa well. I have a T1/T2 mount and an MRO mount that has held up fine but thats apples to oranges.
It will be interesting to compare the mount to my other old version if they've indeed modified the design.
It will be interesting to compare the mount to my other old version if they've indeed modified the design.
I am curious as well. Hopefully you can post pics. I am going to be in the market for a 30mm mount here in the next few months and I dig their self levelling feature.
TexasAggie2005
06-01-22, 15:58
No skin in the game, but I've read several threads on Arfcom about SW's 30mm mounts breaking in the same manner. Curious to see what the redesign looks like.
No. It's not that guy.
It's the guy who bought an entire imported supply of rifles and then jacked the prices up as he was now the sole supplier.
I'm with markm. It's absolutely incredible how obsessed people are with youtube gun guys.
I look at them as entertainment. Not a source of reliable information. There are a few who's opinions I pay attention to more closely. Garand Thumb is a good example. But truthfully I watch him for the slaying of the Ron Jeremies intro more than anything else :D
I am curious as well. Hopefully you can post pics.
I will for sure if they send me a mount.
titsonritz
06-01-22, 16:46
I dig their self levelling feature.
Thought it was pretty useless myself, it gets you in the ball park but that is it. When I mounted mine I used that feature but it was clearly off to the point I could tell eyeballing it. I ended up using a plumb bob and level for mount my Kahles in the SW mount.
I'm guessing their T1/T2 mounts are still good to go though? I was going to try to buy one of their T2 bundles or wait for them to release the RDS mount.
I'm guessing their T1/T2 mounts are still good to go though?
I can't see why not.
Coal Dragger
06-02-22, 14:06
I'm guessing their T1/T2 mounts are still good to go though? I was going to try to buy one of their T2 bundles or wait for them to release the RDS mount.
Well there's no ring halves or center pin to break on one of those.
I love the way the Scalarworks T1/T2/Comp M5 mount looks, but at the end of the day saving an ounce or so wasn't a good trade off for brute strength and the more positive rail interface offered by a Geissele mount at least for me.
Well there's no ring halves or center pin to break on one of those.
I love the way the Scalarworks T1/T2/Comp M5 mount looks, but at the end of the day saving an ounce or so wasn't a good trade off for brute strength and the more positive rail interface offered by a Geissele mount at least for me.
The G mount takes a little more effort with tie-downs, which is a factor for my consideration of “duty grade”. Additionally, I like 1.93”, but wouldn’t consider one that requires a wrench to remove, due to lack of cowitness.
Eurodriver
06-02-22, 14:45
The G mount takes a little more effort with tie-downs, which is a factor for my consideration of “duty grade”. Additionally, I like 1.93”, but wouldn’t consider one that requires a wrench to remove, due to lack of cowitness.
Agreed.
(Except I don’t like 1.93”)
Thought it was pretty useless myself, it gets you in the ball park but that is it. When I mounted mine I used that feature but it was clearly off to the point I could tell eyeballing it. I ended up using a plumb bob and level for mount my Kahles in the SW mount.
Good to know. I have no first had experience using it other than seeing it on a buddy's rifle. If it's not accurate then it's indeed useless. I mean I would bet most of us could get it "in the ballpark" by simply eyeballing it and then use our preferred method to fine tune.
Coal Dragger
06-02-22, 15:40
The G mount takes a little more effort with tie-downs, which is a factor for my consideration of “duty grade”. Additionally, I like 1.93”, but wouldn’t consider one that requires a wrench to remove, due to lack of cowitness.
So you’re looking for the ability to dummy cord the mount to the upper, or the sight to the mount, or both?
That 1/2” nut properly torqued to 65-72in-lbs isn’t going anywhere, it’s an almost ridiculously over sized fastener for the application. Plus with recoil lugs for the Picatinny rail and the T1/T2 footprint mount optic interface I don’t think the optic is going anywhere either if you thread lock the screws.
Should a throw lever mount, or other QD mounts be dummy corded? Probably. I would just make the argument that if you feel the need to tie it to the gun, maybe you should pick a better mount to begin with. I’ve yet to hear of anyone intentionally removing their carbine optics mid-fight because of a failure.
Same for the optic, if you are so worried the optic will fail and need to be removed mid fight, choose a different optic.
I buy Aimpoint red dots and Nightforce magnified optics because I have personal experience with beating the holy shit out of them with no failures to function or hold zero. In one instance the hit was so hard (15 foot free fall onto granite boulder) the synthetic rifle stock broke in half. The Steyr throw lever steel rings didn’t budge, the Nightforce 3.5-15X50 appears to have landed on the elevation turret, and yet the scope still works, still tracks correctly, and once a new stock was sourced the rifle and optic held zero. I also have an old Comp M2 I bought privately to take to Iraq in 2004, I beat the shit out of it but it still works and never had an issue (even though the throw lever ARMS mount did need to be dummy corded).
If we were still dealing with horrible rail mounts like the Trij TA31 RCO had with freaking lane ass thumb wheels you couldn’t get any torque on I would conced you point. These days with quality mounts using legit fasteners? Nah, no need to dummy cord.
So you’re looking for the ability to dummy cord the mount to the upper, or the sight to the mount, or both?
Both. In redundancy I trust, all others fail the standard and are for hobbyists.
titsonritz
06-02-22, 17:37
The G mount takes a little more effort with tie-downs, which is a factor for my consideration of “duty grade”. Additionally, I like 1.93”, but wouldn’t consider one that requires a wrench to remove, due to lack of cowitness.
That is another thing I like about the Unity mount, you have your tall mount that still works with standard height BUIS with no need to remove.
That is another thing I like about the Unity mount, you have your tall mount that still works with standard height BUIS with no need to remove.
Yeah, thats a good system, IMO.
Coal Dragger
06-02-22, 18:17
Both. In redundancy I trust, all others fail the standard and are for hobbyists.
Dummy cording shit on doesn’t do **** all for functionality.
You daily driven vehicle is held together with properly torqued fasteners, somehow they magically hold together for 100,000’s of miles without you getting killed in the streets. Maybe you should also dummy cord all the parts to the frame?
Dummy cording shit on doesn’t do **** all for functionality.
You daily driven vehicle is held together with properly torqued fasteners, somehow they magically hold together for 100,000’s of miles without you getting killed in the streets. Maybe you should also dummy cord all the parts to the frame?
Parts have, in fact, fallen off my truck, lol.
Coal Dragger
06-02-22, 18:49
Would dummy cords have made any difference though?
Would the dummy cord material on your carbine hold up any better than the fastener material of your sights/mounts/etc?
Parts have, in fact, fallen off my truck, lol.
Should have tied them down. Monkey ****ers, go.
Coal Dragger
06-02-22, 19:07
Despite my position that dummy cording an optic to the rifle when the mount is fastened with a well torqued 1/2” nut is not needed, I am going to mock one up anyway.
Would dummy cords have made any difference though?
Would the dummy cord material on your carbine hold up any better than the fastener material of your sights/mounts/etc?
Professionals tie their shit down because that measure has been effective in the past for preventing loss of optics, lasers, NODs, and flashlights in Florida swamps, and in the snow in Afghanistan. I’m not hating on anyone for not doing so, but its what pros do, and I appreciate mounts that make it easy. You say it does **** all, and I disagree. You’ll note that the PEQ15/LA-5 literally has a grove for this purpose. So did the M3. Larue mounts have a lockwire hole. MAWLs have a hole in their body that happens to fit 550. The latch mechanism on some cans can be lockwired. Some brand Scout bodies lend themselves well to a tiedown.
Should have tied them down. Monkey ****ers, go. Where are your NODs, Airborne? Go ahead and elevate your feet if you haven’t been to Mountain Phase. J/K, 25 Monkey****ers done for each missing truck part.
Coal Dragger
06-02-22, 20:40
Both. In redundancy I trust, all others fail the standard and are for hobbyists.
So looking at a T-1, T-2, or Comp M5 I’m not seeing any really truly secure method to dummy cord any of those optics to the mount without interfering with controls on the optics themselves.
A quick mock up of dummy cord to carbine with the Geissele mount is not a problem. I could very easily accomplish that with 550 Cord, stainless steel cable etc. Just make a loop around the center pedestal of the mount and attach the other end to the rail, no big deal. The upper mount and lower mount are both flared out enough that a loop of 550 cord or stainless safety cable can’t slip over either end.
What would the preferred method of dummy cord attachment of the sight though? Most of the micro RDS on the market don’t seem to be designed with that in mind.
Coal Dragger
06-02-22, 22:21
Not sure an over the top tie down would work well on a Comp M5. I’m pretty comfortable with the recoil lug in the mount and sight body, and 4 screws with Loctite 242 on them. You’d have to have at least 3 of those screws fail to lose the sight off the mount.
titsonritz
06-02-22, 23:07
MAWLs have a hole in their body that happens to fit 550.
Where? The only thing I can think of is the lanyard loop on the battery cap, but then mine is a pre-2021 C1+, not sure if the DA and/or later models are updated with that feature.
What would the preferred method of dummy cord attachment of the sight though? Most of the micro RDS on the market don’t seem to be designed with that in mind. I should note that there is a flaw in the pic I provided. It doesn’t show where the gutted 550 passes between the windage knob and power knob. I’d contend that on this setup, the tie down of the mount to the rifle is more important, because it allows the optic/mount assembly to be disconnected and pushed to the the left side of the rifle so that iron sights can be used in the event of a dead dot, while retaining the sight with the rifle.
Where? The only thing I can think of is the lanyard loop on the battery cap, but then mine is a pre-2021 C1+, not sure if the DA and/or later models are updated with that feature.
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titsonritz
06-03-22, 12:36
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Thanks man. :big_boss:
titsonritz
06-03-22, 12:36
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Thanks man. :big_boss:
Straight Shooter
06-05-22, 21:23
Isn't that the same dude who demanded payment if a company wanted a good review ($5-10k)? Isn't he the dude who owns a gun shop, but pretends he is just some guy trying to help people while he works on these videos all alone? Or am i confusing with with some high class individual milking the public?
I know this can't be the same guy who was enlisted (enlisted is awesome by the way) but pretended he was a full USMC COLONEL?!?!!? He got shirts made, wore the rank and everything. Then he got called out on it and passed it off saying he was a "KY Colonel" and everyone knows what he means. Totally blaming the viewers for believing what he told them? Please tell me we aren't talking about the same person, because that would be obscene.
WHOA Stick...Im just seeing this...man I dont know SQUAT about him..only I saw an IG post with a pic of that mount broken, and him sayin it wash his second one, and done.
Shoot, I hate I mentioned it now.
Pffft. Anything can be dummy corded if you have a drill, some safety wire and a pair of safety wire pliers :D
Pffft. Anything can be dummy corded if you have a drill, some safety wire and a pair of safety wire pliers :D
Common practice in racing motorcycles, which I suspect you know.
Common practice in racing motorcycles, which I suspect you know.
How many drill bits can you break safety wiring an R6 to WERA specs? ALL OF THEM :D My back gets sore thinking about the number of hours I spent on the garage floor drilling out bolts....... Man I miss those days.
Folks that make 30mm Aimpoint mounts that I'm aware of:
ADM: https://www.admmfg.com/aimpoint-m68-mount
KAC: https://www.knightarmco.com/12899/shop/sighting/optic-mounts/reddot/30mm-aimpoint-comp-mount-high-wforward-offset-k
Wilcox: https://tnvc.com/shop/wilcox-aimpoint-comp-m-mount/
Bobro: https://www.bobroengineering.com/Aimpoint-M2M3PRO-Single-Ring-Mount_p_74.html
KDG: https://kineticdg.com/product/sidelok-patrol-rifle-optic-c3-comp-m4/
Geissele: https://geissele.com/super-precision-aimpoint-pro-mount-black.html
LaRue: https://www.larue.com/products/larue-tactical-comp-m2-mount-lt150/
Midwest Industries: https://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/Cantiliver-QD-Ring-Mount-p/mi-qd68c.htm
GDI Engineering: https://bravocompanyusa.com/gdi-cmc5-osm-optical-sight-mount/
One can also use any CompM4 mount when used in combination with this ring: https://aimpoint.us/aimpoint-30mm-top-ring-fits-qrp2-tnp-lrp-not-required-for-compm4-series/
I still have yet to hear anything from Scalarworks. I went one by one on these mount options, and after having bad luck with Scalar and Wilcox... NONE of the mounts out there inspire much confidence. I don't like mounts that gooseneck/crane to much. I'm leaning towards the Geissele which isn't currently available.
I still have yet to hear anything from Scalarworks. I went one by one on these mount options, and after having bad luck with Scalar and Wilcox... NONE of the mounts out there inspire much confidence. I don't like mounts that gooseneck/crane to much. I'm leaning towards the Geissele which isn't currently available.
I've got a Pro in the ADM mount and seems to be a solid mount, although the QRP2 it came with is plenty rugged. It may be an ugly duck but it has a proven record. Side by side I'd have to say the ADM was money wasted, and like many things I eventually end up back with OEM stuff. I have boxes full of shame.
Side by side I'd have to say the ADM was money wasted, and like many things I eventually end up back with OEM stuff. I have boxes full of shame.
I have boxes and boxes of shit, I know I should sell it but Im so fkn lazy. Maybe when I retire and some of the shit will be of value, I can sell 3 items per month to pay for shit I need when Im old and broke.
PB
I still have yet to hear anything from Scalarworks. I went one by one on these mount options, and after having bad luck with Scalar and Wilcox... NONE of the mounts out there inspire much confidence. I don't like mounts that gooseneck/crane to much. I'm leaning towards the Geissele which isn't currently available.
I don't think there's a bad one on the list and have had many of them. I've had far more LT150s and a few 129s. The Geissele mount is excellent.
How did you have bad lick with a Wilcox mount?? I’ve always found them to be badass and ahead of their time.
How did you have bad lick with a Wilcox mount?? I’ve always found them to be badass and ahead of their time.
They're a cheap extrusion which only has partial surface contact to the tube. My SBR fell over and naturally landed on the Aimpoint. The gun definitely lost zero. I never knew why until I replaced the mount. The contact surfaces from the Wilcox had gouged the aimpoint tube slightly. In other words, they need a complete ring on the tube for maximum surface contact instead of several staggered footprints.
They're a cheap extrusion which only has partial surface contact to the tube. My SBR fell over and naturally landed on the Aimpoint. The gun definitely lost zero. I never knew why until I replaced the mount. The contact surfaces from the Wilcox had gouged the aimpoint tube slightly. In other words, they need a complete ring on the tube for maximum surface contact instead of several staggered footprints.
Brutally true.
titsonritz
06-28-22, 10:37
They're a cheap extrusion which only has partial surface contact to the tube. My SBR fell over and naturally landed on the Aimpoint. The gun definitely lost zero. I never knew why until I replaced the mount. The contact surfaces from the Wilcox had gouged the aimpoint tube slightly. In other words, they need a complete ring on the tube for maximum surface contact instead of several staggered footprints.
No experience with the product, but that was my thought when I was looking at them.
No experience with the product, but that was my thought when I was looking at them.
Externally they looked like a simple, strong mount with the only downside being the goofy knob that NO tool fits to tighten to the pic rail. But on the inside of the mount... yeah... no good.
Markm Scalarworks has still not made this right?
Markm Scalarworks has still not made this right?
They have the mount according to tracking. I have to follow up with them.
titsonritz
06-28-22, 14:39
They are currently out of stock on LEAP/PRO mounts, I'm sure Scalarworks will send out a brand new mount once they are available but that might be a few weeks dependent upon their production schedule.
They are currently out of stock on LEAP/PRO mounts, I'm sure Scalarworks will send out a brand new mount once they are available but that might be a few weeks dependent upon their production schedule.
Makes sense. The probably could have communicated that, but no biggie.
titsonritz
06-28-22, 15:20
Makes sense. The probably could have communicated that, but no biggie.
Might be a good sign they haven't, as in they expect to have them in soon.
Scalar replied that they're 3-4 months out and offered a QRP to tie me over. I'm glad they're replacing it, but passed on the offer to borrow a QRP mount.
Scalar replied that they're 3-4 months out and offered a QRP to tie me over. I'm glad they're replacing it, but passed on the offer to borrow a QRP mount.
I could loan you an Aimpoint if you cover shipping.
Thanks, but I can wait. If this was on my house gun, I'd settle for any mount. But this is a recreational shooter.
titsonritz
06-29-22, 14:51
Scalar replied that they're 3-4 months out and offered a QRP to tie me over. I'm glad they're replacing it, but passed on the offer to borrow a QRP mount.
Which probably will mean 6 months.
Which probably will mean 6 months.
True. There needs to be a steel mount. I'd love a mount as strong as my steel TPS TSR scope rings that hold my Nightforce. There really isn't one single mount I've looked at that inspires confidence. The Geiselle looks ok, and I'll probably buy that if it ever becomes available.
titsonritz
06-29-22, 15:13
True. There needs to be a steel mount. I'd love a mount as strong as my steel TPS TSR scope rings that hold my Nightforce. There really isn't one single mount I've looked at that inspires confidence. The Geiselle looks ok, and I'll probably buy that if it ever becomes available.
Best thing to do there is put yourself on multiple email notification lists, have the bread in hand and swoop fast when they land.
Best thing to do there is put yourself on multiple email notification lists, have the bread in hand and swoop fast when they land.
I did that on Geissele's site. I'll have to add a few more just incase he takes care of dealers first.
True. There needs to be a steel mount. I'd love a mount as strong as my steel TPS TSR scope rings that hold my Nightforce. There really isn't one single mount I've looked at that inspires confidence. The Geiselle looks ok, and I'll probably buy that if it ever becomes available.
What is it you want the mount to do not addressed by an existing product? I've seen some careless meatheads using many of the ones on the list already posted, and most perform no worse than adequately. I don't see the need or benefit of a steel mount for this type of application?
i’m wondering if Aadland Engineering would be interested in coming up with a solution for aimpoint users?
Countless QRPs downrange have survived Soldiers and Marines. It just doesn't look cool doing it.
What is it you want the mount to do not addressed by an existing product? I've seen some careless meatheads using many of the ones on the list already posted, and most perform no worse than adequately. I don't see the need or benefit of a steel mount for this type of application?
Hold zero and don't damage the body of the sight. Most mounts have a puny footprint on the pic rail which makes no sense, but I don't think that's been a problem for me. It's been that they don't reliably keep a good "grip" on the tube and have at least enough strength to hold zero if the gun tips over.
We've dropped the shit out of some Nightforce scopes and had to do no rezero/repair. I just want an aimpoint mount to come close to that ability.
As for the QRP, it drove me nuts. I felt like i constantly had to tighten it to the pic rail. It never failed me, but I never really ran it very long. Shoot. I'd run 2 TPS steel rings if they were available in a tall enough configuration.
Five_Point_Five_Six
06-30-22, 13:45
I've had two of the Scalarworks LEAP 30mm mounts. One with a salty old Comp M2 that I sold to a cloner for more than I paid for it and a newer PRO that I sold to a friend that needed an optic. Once I started shooting taller optic mounts I just didn't care for the height anymore.
I've since purchased two brand new Aimpoint PROs with the LRP mount, which I greatly prefer to the QRP knob. I put a 1.93 SKD riser on mine and a 1.73 riser on my wife's PRO, she doesn't care for the tall mounts. I gotta say the 1.73 is probably the best of both worlds though, tall enough to not have to hunch over but still able to run BUIS.
I've had two of the Scalarworks LEAP 30mm mounts. One with a salty old Comp M2 that I sold to a cloner for more than I paid for it and a newer PRO that I sold to a friend that needed an optic. Once I started shooting taller optic mounts I just didn't care for the height anymore.
I've since purchased two brand new Aimpoint PROs with the LRP mount, which I greatly prefer to the QRP knob. I put a 1.93 SKD riser on mine and a 1.73 riser on my wife's PRO, she doesn't care for the tall mounts. I gotta say the 1.73 is probably the best of both worlds though, tall enough to not have to hunch over but still able to run BUIS.
On the big tube Aimpoints, yes 1.7” is optimal.
On the big tube Aimpoints, yes 1.7” is optimal.
Yes, I like the "absolute co-witness" as opposed to the lower third one.
Five_Point_Five_Six
07-02-22, 20:54
Yes, I like the "absolute co-witness" as opposed to the lower third one.
1.7" isn't absolute cowitness. The irons sit near the very bottom of the optic window.
titsonritz
07-02-22, 21:17
Yes, I like the "absolute co-witness" as opposed to the lower third one.
absolute co-witness = ~1.42"
lower third one = ~1.57"
1.7" splits the difference between lower third one and 1.93" and obviously Geissele 2.04" and Unity 2.26" go up from there with the latter 3 considered NV /gas mas height.
Damn, caught dead to rights and full of shiite! I should have just said "absolute co-witness" and left it at that! Numbers schmumbers.....:sarcastic:
Absolute co-witness also makes zeroing easier; do the irons then move the dot to the tip of the front sight post. You will at least be close and save some zeroing ammo.
Five_Point_Five_Six
07-02-22, 21:32
Damn, caught dead to rights and full of shiite! I should have just said "absolute co-witness" and left it at that! Numbers schmumbers.....:sarcastic:
Absolute co-witness also makes zeroing easier; do the irons then move the dot to the tip of the front sight post. You will at least be close and save some zeroing ammo.
I hate to dogpile on you but you can lollipop the dot with lower 1/3 and 1.7 before confirming the dot.
titsonritz
07-02-22, 21:51
It's all good man, that's what we're here for, to keep each other honest.
Defaultmp3
07-03-22, 00:00
absolute co-witness = 1.42"
lower third one = 1.57"
1.7" splits the difference between lower third one and 1.93" and obviously Geissele 2.04" and Unity 2.26" go up from there with the latter 3 considered NV /gas mas height.Not necessarily, what manufacturers call absolute and lower 1/3rd vary quite a bit. For example, the Daniel Defense Micro Mount is 1.5" for absolute, and 1.65" for lower 1/3rd. For more places:
Not every manufacturer uses the same height for co-witness and lower 1/3. For example:
Irons are supposedly 1.41" over the top rail.
Aimpoint's stock mount has a 39mm spacer which is 1.535".
Geissele is 1.41" for co-witness and 1.57" for lower 1/3 (based on an email response I received from them).
ADM is 1.52" for co-witness and 1.69" for lower 1/3.
Larue is 1.4" for co-witness and 1.64" for lower 1/3.
Bobro doesn't list measurement that I could easily find, but they have a co-witness, lower 1/3, and tall mount, and most people say their tall model is similar to the Larue/ADM lower 1/3.FWIW, the Aimpoint 39mm spacer mount is generally also considered absolute.
titsonritz
07-03-22, 00:36
Not necessarily, what manufacturers call absolute and lower 1/3rd vary quite a bit. For example, the Daniel Defense Micro Mount is 1.5" for absolute, and 1.65" for lower 1/3rd. For more places:
FWIW, the Aimpoint 39mm spacer mount is generally also considered absolute.
absolute co-witness = ~1.42"
lower third one = ~1.57"
1.7" splits the difference between lower third one and 1.93" and obviously Geissele 2.04" and Unity 2.26" go up from there with the latter 3 considered NV /gas mas height.
Better?
I used Scalerworks numbers since this is a Scalerworks thread.
I hate to dogpile on you but you can lollipop the dot with lower 1/3 and 1.7 before confirming the dot.
True, but to me and my aging eyes anything near the bottom (or top if it was that way, i.e. the periphery) distorts things a bit. Much clearer for me dead-center.
Got a loaner out of Pappabear's parts box. I think it's the Aimpoint CTO mount? This would be a great mount if it were lower 1/3 and had beefier fastiners.
Got a loaner out of Pappabear's parts box. I think it's the Aimpoint CTO mount? This would be a great mount if it were lower 1/3 and had beefier fastiners.
We were shooting on Saturday and somehow I thought, just maybe I have a spare mount, sitting in boxes of shite 10 ft deep....I don't know how you knew that Mark but yes, I think it was off my Aimpoint Carbine Optic, thought it was also called Aimpoint Pro? Sitting on a Colt Carbine AR15-A4 with a Brobro mount. Brobro was my Goto for a while with Larue being up there too for optic mounts. Never caught wind of Scalerworks until recently. You know how we become creatures of habit.
PB
Defaultmp3
07-10-22, 21:56
We were shooting on Saturday and somehow I thought, just maybe I have a spare mount, sitting in boxes of shite 10 ft deep....I don't know how you knew that Mark but yes, I think it was off my Aimpoint Carbine Optic, thought it was also called Aimpoint Pro? Sitting on a Colt Carbine AR15-A4 with a Brobro mount. Brobro was my Goto for a while with Larue being up there too for optic mounts. Never caught wind of Scalerworks until recently. You know how we become creatures of habit.
PBACO is the budget version of the PRO. Inferior included mount, no included lens caps, no NVG settings, shorter battery life, less water resistance.
ACO is the budget version of the PRO. Inferior included mount, no included lens caps, no NVG settings, shorter battery life, less water resistance.
And eats batteries like a mofo. Just changed mine for the 100th time. I have never tried to save a dime that I have not regretted saving that dime. Other than dumping batteries it has been a decent optic. Never run lens caps or NV and do no deep dives with my optics so battery life has been my only issue with this Aimpoint. But prefer my T1, T2 and Comp optics.
PB
https://i.imgur.com/rFzNWSg.jpg
Just got a notification that UPS is delivering a Scalerworks package this week. I'd put this thing out of my mind. I'll post pics when I get it for those who asked.
Hammer_Man
10-03-22, 15:42
Glad you’re getting taken care of.
titsonritz
10-03-22, 15:49
I ended up selling my LEAP/08 1.93" mount because of this thread and went back to the G mounts. I wish Reptilia would hurry up and come out 1.93" or taller mount, I'd be all over it.
Defaultmp3
10-03-22, 17:28
I ended up selling my LEAP/08 1.93" mount because of this thread and went back to the G mounts. I wish Reptilia would hurry up and come out 1.93" or taller mount, I'd be all over it.What's so special about the Reptilia compared to other tall scope mounts?
titsonritz
10-03-22, 21:32
What's so special about the Reptilia compared to other tall scope mounts?
It is basically like the Badger and G mounts without the 1/2" hex bolts, I prefer the lower profile design with torx head screws. I'm also waiting for J-arms for the mount to come out.
Defaultmp3
10-04-22, 01:38
It is basically like the Badger and G mounts without the 1/2" hex bolts, I prefer the lower profile design with torx head screws. I'm also waiting for J-arms for the mount to come out.Why not use the Unity FAST or the Spuhr?
Just got a notification that UPS is delivering a Scalerworks package this week. I'd put this thing out of my mind. I'll post pics when I get it for those who asked.
If I've got the dates right, this was pending May 30 until this week, yes?
If I've got the dates right, this was pending May 30 until this week, yes?
Give or take a few days... yes.
titsonritz
10-04-22, 12:39
Why not use the Unity FAST or the Spuhr?
I'm left handed so the Unity FAST wouldn't work with their offset optic base otherwise I'd already have one. Same goes with the Spuhr to a lessor degree.
If I've got the dates right, this was pending May 30 until this week, yes?
Give or take a few days... yes.
Wow. 4 months...
Wow. 4 months...
I guess (from what others posted) they were building a revised mount from scratch... then off to anodizing, etc.
I guess (from what others posted) they were building a revised mount from scratch... then off to anodizing, etc.Ah, okay. I remember that now. I'm curious to see what the new design will be.
New hinge... definitely beefed up.
https://i.imgur.com/FlIu9M3.jpg
Base is slightly differently shaped toward the rear, and the torque spec is laser by the fasteners.
https://i.imgur.com/S1fucW2.jpg
That does look nicely improved. Also appears that the thumb wheel is larger, allowing for more torque when tightening.
Hammer_Man
10-04-22, 23:04
New design looks like there’s more area to spread the load across. Hopefully it holds up over the long haul.
Actually the base and wheel are the same. It's just the phone camera angle that's making them look different. I was going to sell this mount since I already settle in on the factory thing. But I might try to find another Comp M3 or C3 and actually run the mount.
Naturally I have a pretty cool mount and no great options for an RDS. The PRO and CTOs are just serious pay cuts in an RDS and priced over $400. I dumped my PRO many years ago because of the shitty brightness settings. The primary arms 30mm sights are probably every bit the sight that the CTO and PRO are, but I have an psychological issue with using a sight that's cheaper than the mount. :confused:
Hammer_Man
10-05-22, 11:51
Naturally I have a pretty cool mount and no great options for an RDS. The PRO and CTOs are just serious pay cuts in an RDS and priced over $400. I dumped my PRO many years ago because of the shitty brightness settings. The primary arms 30mm sights are probably every bit the sight that the CTO and PRO are, but I have an psychological issue with using a sight that's cheaper than the mount. :confused:
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?237516-Aimpoint-CompM2-with-ADM-Tanodized-FDE-Nightvision-Height-Mount-and-Rubber-Cover
^^^^saw this in the EE^^^^
Regarding the PRO, I’ve always found it to be an outstanding optic, and value for the money. The only reason I’ve moved away from them, is that my eyesight makes the dot turn into a spider web.
Thanks. I actually found an old PM from 3_AE here who sent me a link to a dealer who shows ML3 and M3s in stock. I sent them an email to confirm.
Hammer_Man
10-05-22, 14:25
Thanks. I actually found an old PM from 3_AE here who sent me a link to a dealer who shows ML3 and M3s in stock. I sent them an email to confirm.
Send me a PM if they do, I’d love to find a NOS Comp M3.
Send me a PM if they do, I’d love to find a NOS Comp M3.
Will do. It's bearbasin.net FYI. The site looks good, and shows non-availability on discontinued items. But I don't have history with them to know there not a Botac kind of dealer.
Hammer_Man
10-05-22, 17:10
Will do. It's bearbasin.net FYI. The site looks good, and shows non-availability on discontinued items. But I don't have history with them to know there not a Botac kind of dealer.
Looks like they have some pretty bad reviews out there. FWIW it looks like the 4moa version is available.
Looks like they have some pretty bad reviews out there. FWIW it looks like the 4moa version is available.
I don't mind the 4 MOA, but I'm not wanting to buy from Botac junior.
titsonritz
10-05-22, 17:40
I don't mind the 4 MOA, but I'm not wanting to buy from Botac junior.
Truth. I'd rather spend a few extra bucks an buy from EuroOptic, Mile High Shooting, Brownells or Primary Arms, than deal with that type of bullshit.
Truth. I'd rather spend a few extra bucks an buy from EuroOptic, Mile High Shooting, Brownells or Primary Arms, than deal with that type of bullshit.
They (bearbasin) appears to be the last dealer with 30mm Aimpoints in stock, so I'm dubious to say the least. The better known dealers don't have a hint of a C3 or ML3.
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