View Full Version : New SureFire muzzle device - A2 birdcage that can mount their suppressors
I haven't seen this before, so this must have came out within the past few months.
https://www.surefire.com/products/suppressors-division/muzzle-devices/sfa2-556-1-2-28/
Any thoughts on this? The A2 is a pretty good muzzle device, so does this make the CTN flash hider obsolete?
For the same price as a CTN, my guess is that it’s only be useful if you need a standard BFA. Though it would be interesting if it’d work with a Halo or other can that is A2 mountable.
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For the same price as a CTN, my guess is that it’s only be useful if you need a standard BFA. Though it would be interesting if it’d work with a Halo or other can that is A2 mountable.
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Standard A2 has 2 rings behind the birdcage, the SF one only has one, not sure how those cans mount.
Standard A2 has 2 rings behind the birdcage, the SF one only has one, not sure how those cans mount.
On the back ring.
The A2 is less effective than the phantom style at flash reduction but I think it will hold up to erosion better.
On the back ring.
Bummskies.
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Looks like at 1.9" it's .4" shorter than the CTN (2.3"). That will please some, I'm sure. A neat alternative. Although, it looks like the weight is heavier than the CTN by .3oz.
OutofBatt3ry
06-11-22, 09:06
They sure are proud of that one. I don't recall my Warcomp being that pricey but maybe it was. That was before Biden and gas wasn't $6/gallon so maybe they went up in price.
I am pretty fond of the 3 prong, only thing I don't like is that it should include the wrench
titsonritz
06-11-22, 16:52
Phantom style?
https://retrorifles.com/phantom-style-flash-hider-2-types-for-ar-15-m16-5-56-223-12x28/
https://yhm.net/accessories/phantom-5-56mm-comp-flash-hider/
Phantom style?
Thanks for making me feel old…
It’s the first of that style of closed tines flash hider.
Wish they would have started with these.
I like how far back it mounts the suppressor. I’ll certainly be picking a couple up.
Thanks for making me feel old…
No doubt. Holy crap.
Hammer_Man
06-13-22, 18:09
I like it, much more aesthetically pleasing than the closed tine, it would go perfectly with a couple rifles of mine.
Eurodriver
06-14-22, 07:28
Oh snap!!
Sorry for the stupid question, but would this bring a 14.5" barrel to over 16"? Says it's 1.9" just not sure with the threads. I wanted a CTN but can't seem to find them.
Sorry for the stupid question, but would this bring a 14.5" barrel to over 16"? Says it's 1.9" just not sure with the threads. I wanted a CTN but can't seem to find them.
Not a stupid question.
I'm assuming it won't get a 14.5" bbl to 16". IIRC, you subtract .62" for threads. 1.9"-0.62"=1.28" It's almost like they're trying market a device for 16" barrels, or at least with the intention of not adding unnecessary length.
The product page said it’s designed for use with a blank firing device. The kind that fit an A2 flash hider.
I remember Iraqgunz had an AAC 18T mount that had the bird cage Flash hider. I wanted that thing so badly.
Eurodriver
06-14-22, 17:49
I remember Iraqgunz had an AAC 18T mount that had the bird cage Flash hider. I wanted that thing so badly.
Dude the A2 is by far and away the best of all worlds. Flash suppression. Noise. Muzzle climb. Dust. It’s great and it’s $8.
If they made a 51T or KEYMO or whatever these days I’d rock one. But I can’t rock a SF can. After seeing Nightchiefs can look like a blowtorch….:)
I remember Iraqgunz had an AAC 18T mount that had the bird cage Flash hider. I wanted that thing so badly.
Do you still have an 18T silencer?
titsonritz
06-14-22, 19:20
If they made a 51T or KEYMO or whatever these days I’d rock one.
https://www.forwardcontrolsdesign.com/6315KM-12x28_p_191.html
titsonritz
06-14-22, 19:23
Sorry for the stupid question, but would this bring a 14.5" barrel to over 16"? Says it's 1.9" just not sure with the threads. I wanted a CTN but can't seem to find them.
A 1.9" MD is too short to make the minimum NFA required length of 16"
BRT as a good "pinned barrel length calculator"
https://blackrivertactical.com/WP/BRT-13-9-OPTIMUM-Hammer-Forged-Chrome-Lined-Barrel-p397848701
Do you still have an 18T silencer?
I have two. That's all I have for 5.56. I don't shoot them a lot because they're twice the weight of a modern suppressor. I'm not a big suppressed AR fan to begin with so I don't care that much.
You can get an old can’s mount cut out and threaded for HUB these days. Make it direct thread and throw it on a bolt gun pretty cheaply.
You can get an old can’s mount cut out and threaded for HUB these days. Make it direct thread and throw it on a bolt gun pretty cheaply.
True, but I'd probably just tap a set screw into the can/mount if I was going that route. If the detent springs ever become irreplaceable, I might have to do that.
Eurodriver
06-15-22, 12:11
https://www.forwardcontrolsdesign.com/6315KM-12x28_p_191.html
OMG!!
OMG!!
Those look good, don't they? I wouldn't know what to do with the mount, but it's a nice flash hider.
Those look good, don't they? I wouldn't know what to do with the mount, but it's a nice flash hider.
They make it as a regular flash hider.
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6315 was released in 2017, it has since spawned a line of products that continue to grow: 6315KM (Keymo), 6315KM-L (2.7" version of 6315KM), 6315KM-S (9mm, short version of 6315KM). Within a few weeks, there will be 6315XE (Xeno), and within 2 months, 6315RF (taper mount for many .90 x 14 suppressor adapters).
6310 (5/8x24) itself is based n 6315, KM, KM-L, KM-S, Xeno, and taper mount versions have been developed for it as well.
within 2 months, 6315RF (taper mount for many .90 x 14 suppressor adapters).
If that fits Griffin adapters, I need 10.
Eurodriver
06-17-22, 15:58
6315 was released in 2017, it has since spawned a line of products that continue to grow: 6315KM (Keymo), 6315KM-L (2.7" version of 6315KM), 6315KM-S (9mm, short version of 6315KM). Within a few weeks, there will be 6315XE (Xeno), and within 2 months, 6315RF (taper mount for many .90 x 14 suppressor adapters).
6310 (5/8x24) itself is based n 6315, KM, KM-L, KM-S, Xeno, and taper mount versions have been developed for it as well.
Some of us still have 51T AAC cans.
Fffyyyiiiiii
Some of us still have 51T AAC cans.
Fffyyyiiiiii
And some of us still run 18T mounts. :cool:
No labyrinth seals? Hard pass.
You can get an old can’s mount cut out and threaded for HUB these days. Make it direct thread and throw it on a bolt gun pretty cheaply.
Threaded for HUB will let you run several different mounts as well, not just direct thread.
So you could change your silencer to run on those FCD mounts.
No labyrinth seals? Hard pass.For the life of me, I can't figure out why they don't modify their current offerings to all have the seals. I really like the SFCT556, but the absence of the seals has pushed me to swap all of my other muzzle devices for the three prong mounts.
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No labyrinth seals? Hard pass.
I have a bunch of AR and only two surefire cans.
I set the guns up I run only suppressed with the brake or three prong with labyrinth seals. If it’s mostly not suppressed but I want to be able to mount a can I go with the closed tine ‘phantom’ style.
This looks like a great offering for a gun you want to run mostly unsupressed but still want to be able to mount your can. This is the use it will fill for me.
Interesting. I’ve never even noticed a discussion about labyrinth seals. I’m debating jumping into SF cans since KAC QDCs have been MIA for two years and was excited that G Super Duty guns had the closed tine FH since I hate the pinging of their open prong stuff but this has me reconsidering now.
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Interesting. I’ve never even noticed a discussion about labyrinth seals. I’m debating jumping into SF cans since KAC QDCs have been MIA for two years and was excited that G Super Duty guns had the closed tine FH since I hate the pinging of their open prong stuff but this has me reconsidering now.
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So I know the labyrinth rings do something, a better seal.
I have no idea how much difference it makes? I’ve never had a can stick to a mount badly, and it definitely still gets jammed up with the rings there.
I have a 14.5 pinned G rifle. I put my mini cam on it and it rocks! So the phantom style mount is not bad. The testing I’ve read shows the war comps are what really suck with the suppressor.
I think for mounting a can the brake is the ultimate. It has the labyrinth rings and the two baffles line up with the first two baffles in the can. I have one on an 11.5” rifle I’d only ever shoot suppressed. Never shot it unsupressd, I’m sure it does terrible blasty brake things, as a mount it’s awesome.
So I know the labyrinth rings do something, a better seal.
I have no idea how much difference it makes? I’ve never had a can stick to a mount badly, and it definitely still gets jammed up with the rings there.
I have a 14.5 pinned G rifle. I put my mini cam on it and it rocks! So the phantom style mount is not bad. The testing I’ve read shows the war comps are what really suck with the suppressor.
I think for mounting a can the brake is the ultimate. It has the labyrinth rings and the two baffles line up with the first two baffles in the can. I have one on an 11.5” rifle I’d only ever shoot suppressed. Never shot it unsupressd, I’m sure it does terrible blasty brake things, as a mount it’s awesome.
That’s good to know, I have seen people complain about the warcomps but wasn’t sure if it was that design feature, something else, or a combo (probably this).
I used to be a diehard advocate for breaks but started going away from them. I’d like one or two guns with them just for the benefits they do give but would need several more cans before I could be dedicated suppressed. Right now I only have the one QDC for several ARs and as much as I don’t want multiple mounting systems, I’m getting tired of waiting for a CQB QDC or two.
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Defaultmp3
06-27-22, 10:48
Interesting. I’ve never even noticed a discussion about labyrinth seals. I’m debating jumping into SF cans since KAC QDCs have been MIA for two years and was excited that G Super Duty guns had the closed tine FH since I hate the pinging of their open prong stuff but this has me reconsidering now.Main disadvantages of the lack of labyrinth seals is that they get carbon locked much easier and that they allow much more gas to leak out and thus allow a larger acoustic signature, is my understanding.
So I know the labyrinth rings do something, a better seal.
I have no idea how much difference it makes? I’ve never had a can stick to a mount badly, and it definitely still gets jammed up with the rings there.
I have a 14.5 pinned G rifle. I put my mini cam on it and it rocks! So the phantom style mount is not bad. The testing I’ve read shows the war comps are what really suck with the suppressor.
I think for mounting a can the brake is the ultimate. It has the labyrinth rings and the two baffles line up with the first two baffles in the can. I have one on an 11.5” rifle I’d only ever shoot suppressed. Never shot it unsupressd, I’m sure it does terrible blasty brake things, as a mount it’s awesome.
PEW Science data link below. Some data is restricted to members only (I am not a member).
10.3" "Mk18" (I believe it's a DD with 0.070" GP) + H2 buffer + Federal XM193
https://pewscience.com/sound-signature-reviews-free/sss-6-52-surefire-556rc2-mk18-556
danieljmaunder
06-27-22, 21:03
I have a bunch of AR and only two surefire cans.
I set the guns up I run only suppressed with the brake or three prong with labyrinth seals. If it’s mostly not suppressed but I want to be able to mount a can I go with the closed tine ‘phantom’ style.
This looks like a great offering for a gun you want to run mostly unsupressed but still want to be able to mount your can. This is the use it will fill for me.
Thats what my thoughts were, I don't personally own cans right now but shoot with several guys who have SF cans so I get the occasional opportunity to fire my guns suppressed, this FH would be perfect for that roll. Too bad it won't work for pinning a 14.5, but on my 16" it'll be perfect.
6315XE
https://www.forwardcontrolsdesign.com/assets/images/IMG_0605.jpeg
Eurodriver
07-01-22, 12:48
6315XE
https://www.forwardcontrolsdesign.com/assets/images/IMG_0605.jpeg
You guys rock.
You guys rock.
I have like 5 of the Forward Controls 6315KM KeyMo Mounts. They are awesome. All but 2 of my rifles have them. Just need to switch them out.
6315XE
https://www.forwardcontrolsdesign.com/assets/images/IMG_0605.jpeg
What can is this for?
What can is this for?
I would guess that it is a FCD version of the Dead Air Xeno Mount. Which means that it will fit any of the Cans made now that have a Bravo Style mounting system.
See below.
https://deadairsilencers.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/DA121-22-Xeno-FH.jpg
https://deadairsilencers.com/product/xeno-flash-hider/
titsonritz
07-01-22, 14:44
6315XE
https://www.forwardcontrolsdesign.com/assets/images/IMG_0605.jpeg
When the does the "-L" version come out?
Not sure if there'll be an L version, it'd have to be pretty long. Xeno devices are shorter than Keymo already, in order to get it to 2.7" (max DA mandated overall length), it'll look very long, almost like an M14 or inch pattern FAL long. Ok not that long but it'll look that way.
Eurodriver
07-08-22, 19:25
Not sure if there'll be an L version, it'd have to be pretty long. Xeno devices are shorter than Keymo already, in order to get it to 2.7" (max DA mandated overall length), it'll look very long, almost like an M14 or inch pattern FAL long. Ok not that long but it'll look that way.
https://i.ibb.co/Q64vbH2/0-BEFA2-C4-38-D7-49-D9-994-C-06-BC8-BF6072-E.jpg
You can't see it, but your A2 mount is in there :dance3: Rocks
Five_Point_Five_Six
07-08-22, 19:29
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GunFighter98
07-14-22, 19:58
Not sure if there'll be an L version, it'd have to be pretty long. Xeno devices are shorter than Keymo already, in order to get it to 2.7" (max DA mandated overall length), it'll look very long, almost like an M14 or inch pattern FAL long. Ok not that long but it'll look that way.
Any ETA on these Xeno Flash hiders?
Should be shipping to dealers first by August, with another duo of 223 and 308 mount/muzzle devices right behind it.
Should be shipping to dealers first by August, with another duo of 223 and 308 mount/muzzle devices right behind it.
Does that mean you're releasing a new set of muzzle devices? You're becoming a one stop shop!
Almost, we will have many available adapters/mounts covered ;)
nightchief
07-17-22, 14:55
Dude the A2 is by far and away the best of all worlds. Flash suppression. Noise. Muzzle climb. Dust. It’s great and it’s $8.
If they made a 51T or KEYMO or whatever these days I’d rock one. But I can’t rock a SF can. After seeing Nightchiefs can look like a blowtorch….:)
I'm pretty sure it was the ammo that night. Ammo made right after the Covid ammo shortage happened. Ran it in the dark last November for a class and it wasn't a fire breathing dragon. Not as good as a Sandman K/S, but not a "How to Train You're Dragon" prop either.
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