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A new niche round. I spoke with these guys at a gun show I attended recently. They seemed to be switched on, but not really my lane.
"What 300BLK provided to the AR-15 platform, 8.6BLK does for AR-10’s. The parent case being 6.5 Creedmoor, 8.6BLK is trimmed down and necked up for a .338 projectile."
https://www.gorillaammo.com/8-6-blackout/
So now we have 6.8 useless, 300 worthless, and now I have to come up with another name for yet another idiotic round?
Ok. I'll start working on a new designation.
So now we have 6.8 useless, 300 worthless, and now I have to come up with another name for yet another idiotic round?
Ok. I'll start working on a new designation.
Seems the 300 blk has some advantages in SBRs no? Perhaps this 6.8 would be a benefit to AR10 SBRs, assuming anyone runs such a thing.
I'm leaning towards "Eight Six Limp Dick". :cool:
So now we have 6.8 useless, 300 worthless, and now I have to come up with another name for yet another idiotic round?
Ok. I'll start working on a new designation.
8.6 needless?
8.6 needless?
Don't confuse the 6.8 (what the mil seems very likely to adopt) and 8.6. Sounds like he does not approve of either however!
sandsunsurf
06-16-22, 00:00
I like Kevin, but this cartridge is stupid. If you don’t see that on its face, then I won’t convince you, but I’ll bet money this cartridge is destined for the grave.
Its launching bullets double the weight of my current subsonic host (9mm PCC) and can’t accidentally blow up a 5.56 gun like .300AAC (which isn’t useless, just niche). It’ll fit down a .338 or .358 rifle can. Seems interesting, although I’m not particularly likely to buy one just yet. I’m not seeing why y’all hate it, other than resistance to change.
I'm going to invent the 11mm. Because mine goes up to 11.
I gotta agree with Mark here. Stepping up to ar10 for subs makes little sense when their is the 338 spectre and Tromix socom cartridges for the ar15.
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I’ve seen this on Qs social media for a long time. Idk I’m not sold. They try to push it for subsonic hunting, I don’t do that so I don’t care.
I do really like 300blk subsonic suppressed out of a vsbr. But obviously that a niche.
I’m not seeing why y’all hate it, other than resistance to change.
If it's not 5.56 out of KAC, BCM, or DD, a lot of posters here hate it by default. If it doesn't suit their needs, it's useless garbage. If any government agency thinks otherwise, it must be a conspiracy to embezzle taxpayer money. Really wish people could learn the concept of "to each their own."
And I say that as someone who couldn't care less about 8.6 BLK.
I gotta agree with Mark here. Stepping up to ar10 for subs makes little sense when their is the 338 spectre and Tromix socom cartridges for the ar15.
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Not gunna lie, I forgot about the .338 Spectre. Now I wonder why they went AR10 with their Spectre clone? On paper they appear to do the same thing, now that I just refreshed myself on the Spectre. I did notice that one guy on TOS made it sound like it was hard to fit the right amount of powder in the Spectre with a Sierra 300gr. Maybe the 8.6 is made to have more room for copper monolithic projectiles, hence the fast twist?
And I say that as someone who couldn't care less about 8.6 BLK. Yeah, 147gr 9mm is cheap and does what I need it to mostly. And 147gr hollowpoints are by default designed to work at that velocity if I decide to smoke a deer with it. The subsonic BC of a 300gr .338 is kinda intriguing though. Something I never asked for, but I am curious.
Its launching bullets double the weight of my current subsonic host (9mm PCC) and can’t accidentally blow up a 5.56 gun like .300AAC (which isn’t useless, just niche). It’ll fit down a .338 or .358 rifle can. Seems interesting, although I’m not particularly likely to buy one just yet. I’m not seeing why y’all hate it, other than resistance to change.
It seems dislike for new rnds in the norm. Some times it's warranted and some times it's not perhaps.
I love my 6.8spc. When the grid goes down ain't nobody gonna take my stuff.
It seems dislike for new rnds in the norm. Some times it's warranted and some times it's not perhaps.
it's business. Just have a influencer say sky-high optic mounting is vogue and they're sold out. Same as glock generations, just change a grip texture and in comes gen6.
I'm going to invent the 11mm. Because mine goes up to 11.
Bonus points for the Spinal Tap reference. Can you tell me which way it is to the stage?
I'm going to start loading my 7.62 x 39 with pistol powder and call it the Commie Whisper.
It seems dislike for new rnds in the norm. Some times it's warranted and some times it's not perhaps.
What is funny is that back in 1986, IMI came out with the .41 Action Express, which might have been the perfect middle ground between 9mm and .45 rounds and everyone ignored it. Then a few years later S&W came out with their .40 and it was the second coming.
I gotta agree with Mark here. Stepping up to ar10 for subs makes little sense when their is the 338 spectre and Tromix socom cartridges for the ar15.
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I was just thinking this won’t do a lot my 458 won’t in an AR15 sized package.
Thump thump thump
Not for me but I’m sure someone will find a use for it and all the more power to them.
Choice is good.
titsonritz
06-16-22, 19:31
What is funny is that back in 1986, IMI came out with the .41 Action Express, which might have been the perfect middle ground between 9mm and .45 rounds and everyone ignored it. Then a few years later S&W came out with their .40 and it was the second coming.
Yeah, but that's only because pussies couldn't handle a real round, the 10mm.
I'm going to invent the 11mm. Because mine goes up to 11.
As soon as you do, someone will want 11mm+p ammo.
What is funny is that back in 1986, IMI came out with the .41 Action Express, which might have been the perfect middle ground between 9mm and .45 rounds and everyone ignored it. Then a few years later S&W came out with their .40 and it was the second coming.
Isn't the 300blk basically the 300 whisper that was popular for a minute?
I gotta agree with Mark here. Stepping up to ar10 for subs makes little sense when their is the 338 spectre and Tromix socom cartridges for the ar15.
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They also have an optimized supersonic designed for 12" barrels.
So it's like 300blk in the sense that you can go from supers to subs on a whim.
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The youtuve paid morons will start promoting to load the hype train. I will stick with 6.8. Really need to fortify what you have unless your collecting and burning money.
The youtuve paid morons will start promoting to load the hype train. I will stick with 6.8. Really need to fortify what you have unless your collecting and burning money.
I will stick with 5.56 or 308.
Don't confuse the 6.8 (what the mil seems very likely to adopt) and 8.6. Sounds like he does not approve of either however!
I wasn’t sure if he was referring to the 8.6 or the 6.8.
In any case, I’ll stick with 5.56 and 308.
So 8.6 has gotten some traction. Does seem to have some interesting performance characteristics. I will never own one as niche rnds don't interest me personally, but I enjoy nerding out on bullet tech. Will it catch on for similar reasons the 300 BLK has? The UDT-SEAL Museum (https://www.navysealmuseum.org/) is raffling off two 8.6 guns, one AR based and one bolt action. You can swap out .308 AR10 barrel for a 8.6 and be GTG apparently if one want to try 8.6 without buying the full gun.
This guy is hunting centric info wise:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW-4Upi49Yc
They also have an optimized supersonic designed for 12" barrels.
So it's like 300blk in the sense that you can go from supers to subs on a whim.
And you get impressive ballistics from shorter barrels like the 300, but a lot more oomph. I'm starting too see why the 8.6, like the 300, has some applications for the right shooter, and is not just BS. Check that out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-2tTm2wRkQ
So now we have 6.8 useless, 300 worthless, and now I have to come up with another name for yet another idiotic round?
Ok. I'll start working on a new designation.
How about .338 Mistake
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