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Finally got my new Geissele SD 14.5 upper in on Saturday and shot on first thing on Sunday (7/24/22) , put around 100rds down range and it seems to be very accurate right out of the box (shooting out to 50 yrds). The bluing or proprietary finish is a little different, as the upper seems Blue-Gray to the rail, which is more of a standard black you have with DD, SOLGW, AERO, etc. It is definitely a quality upper, everything seems like it was inspected and put together to the highest standard. It did come in a oily film of some kind that I wiped down upon opening. I was just shooting mixed 55gr (Armscor, Aguila, PMC). I put this 14.5 Geissele upper on an existing ADM complete lower that I've had for probably 4 years now, it replaced a DD v7 upper, which I really liked but felt that the 16" barrel with a Warcomp was a little long and unwieldy for a GP carbine. Obviously I need to shoot it more but it does feel like the weight is still there with the profile of the Geissele, but a shorter barrel and rail are noticeable when your pointing it. So shot the Geissele upper along doping my original DD V5 with a PA red dot and My 16" BCM ELW BFH upper on an Aero lower, all in all they all shot pretty well the Geissele seemed a little more pushy, not necessary punchy but my DD and BCM have the BCM Mod O comp and considering it is just a flash suppressor I guess I've been a little spoiled on compensated muzzles.
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Went back out with targets Sunday (7/31/22) and had a lot of trouble zeroing my Acog at 100yards, some 3 shot groups were well within 1moa and the others where well within 2-3 moa. Part of this is the fact that I tend to zero with a leadsled which my father in law currently has, and it was clear that my Acog with a kram mount and ADM mount needed to be loctited down further. I tightened them up as much as possible and shot some decent groups but not as accurate as I feel was possible from the barrel. The other issue was the ammo, shooting the same ammo can with Armscor, Aguila, PMC, and Fenix I think that they are all different enough to produce different results. While in the 230-300 rounds I did shoot I didn't have an issue at all with the performance of the gun. I want to zero the rifle to 62gr, or 77gr which I need to get out and buy a few boxes and post my results on each as well as I want to put on different glass with more magnification to help verify what accuracy I can expect overall with this upper as baseline.
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I appreciate this, I've been toying with adding one of these to my collection. Definitely seems like the gun has the potential to be very accurate with ammo it likes.
I appreciate this, I've been toying with adding one of these to my collection. Definitely seems like the gun has the potential to be very accurate with ammo it likes.
Honestly, I have 2 feelings about this upper. The first is that this thing is one of the best uppers I've ever seen, really well put together and extremely well made and the other is that this is just as good as my DD upper I replaced it with only less predicable and when measured against my BCM and other DD's I own is good and keeps up, but does nothing more for the money. I honestly need to get more rds down range more to verify. The one thing I really like is how in standing, point shooting the upper seems to more accurate and predicable than bench shooting when I try to dope in my Acog, my 509T seems like it just preforms with this upper and I can do no wrong, but a lot of that is in the standing and compensating for 100 yrd 6 inch plates, which this thing manages to ring all the time. Overall, I want this thing to work, and believe it will, but its not as versatile as my DD or BCM uppers.
Honestly, I have 2 feelings about this upper. The first is that this thing is one of the best uppers I've ever seen, really well put together and extremely well made and the other is that this is just as good as my DD upper I replaced it with only less predicable and when measured against my BCM and other DD's I own is good and keeps up, but does nothing more for the money. I honestly need to get more rds down range more to verify. The one thing I really like is how in standing, point shooting the upper seems to more accurate and predicable than bench shooting when I try to dope in my Acog, my 509T seems like it just preforms with this upper and I can do no wrong, but a lot of that is in the standing and compensating for 100 yrd 6 inch plates, which this thing manages to ring all the time. Overall, I want this thing to work, and believe it will, but its not as versatile as my DD or BCM uppers.
How has the reliability been?
So I only have 200+, maybe 300rds down the barrel at this point and haven't shot it again this month, but the reliability has been great for those rounds. I am hoping to take it up north this weekend and take it out in the woods to see how it will do, but as they say "the best laid plans of mice and men often go awry".
So maybe another 200rds down the barrel and doped to (for now) 55gr Winchester. I'm trying to post as many pics as possible but Flickr is having an issue taking them from Android Camera.
Thoughts on about 2-3 hours at the range. Its obvious that this upper is very picky about ammo choice. It was 1.5-2 inch groupd with 55gr Winchester (the cheapest stuff I could find), it also really liked PMC 55gr BT Hunting rounds, which grouped at under 1.5 inches, but with Fiocchi 62gr it opened up considerably. A few things to notice is that I started off the morning in light rain, and a good breeze. I only had my range bag to use as a rest and the group sizes reduced considerably when the rain stopped and I went into the prone and just rested off the Lancer magazine you see in the picture, however the 62gr Fiocchi still shot 2-4 inch groups at 100yrds.
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PMC 55gr BT hunting load with flyer
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PMC 55gr BT hunting load without my flyer
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2inch group of 62gr Fiocchi
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55gr Winchester
Additional information: not one hickup or issue with the upper thus far, approximately 500rds in, just that it doesn't like me moving from on ammo to another without dramatic shift in zero. All ejection has been great and throws them pretty far at the 3'o clock position. I really want to like this upper and have enough of the same ammo to make it viable for my General Purpose (go-to) rifle, but really was expecting more from Giessele based off their other products.
I want to bring out another rifle, if not 2 and see if I get the same results with the same ammo I shot today or at least take note of the differences, and weigh the positives and negatives of all respectively.
Yea, you need to buy some quality 69's or 77 grain ammo to see how accurate it can be. With the ammo you used, it seems reasonable results and I bet great Mao will give great results. I know if you dont handled, it can be pricy. But hell one box of FGGM or BH mk262 could make you love that upper.
PB
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08-28-22, 14:59
Nice rifle. I wanted a Geissele rifle because I was impressed with their triggers and really like their MK4/8 Rails; just was wary of the quality/accuracy of their barrels, not that I thought they would be bad, just that they wouldn't be great, at least for as much as they charge for the gun. This was a couple years ago so they may be much better now.
I decided to just build one the way I wanted it, but with a 14.5" DD barrel and Mk4 rail. It's my favorite gun and my second most accurate AR next to a my 16" scoped gun using the same barrel.
It's an honest 1.5moa with quality ammo to 100 yards with no magnification.
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As far as your groups, I have significant shifts switching from one brand of ammo to another but it's not really noticeable inside of 100 yards.
Winchester "Target" is probably some of the most inconsistently grouping ammo. When it was cheap it, it was good enough, but it's one of the more expensive "bulk" options now.
Federal was my go-to for years for that sweet spot of accuracy/cost; but I rarely see it and when I do it's expensive.
Lately I've been using IMI. Good stuff.
I have some IMI 77gr match that I just bought I want to try with my scoped AR.
Yea, you need to buy some quality 69's or 77 grain ammo to see how accurate it can be. With the ammo you used, it seems reasonable results and I bet great Mao will give great results. I know if you dont handled, it can be pricy. But hell one box of FGGM or BH mk262 could make you love that upper.
PB
I'm not exactly unhappy, I guess just a little disappointed with the predictability for the money verse my initial DD upper and my other rifles, BCM, PWS, etc. I did look to get some quality ammo, but my I ended up at my local big box store because my LGS have odd hours over the summer, but so do I with the kids baseball, soccer, golf etc.
I also truly dope all my rifles in with a lead-sled or a one peace shooting rest, which I haven't done with this rifle, because of my kind Midwest nature that let my father in law borrow it over 4 months ago.
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As far as your groups, I have significant shifts switching from one brand of ammo to another but it's not really noticeable inside of 100 yards.
Winchester is "target" is probably some of the most inconsistently grouping ammo. When it was cheap it, it was good enough, but it's one of the more expensive "bulk" options now.
Federal was my go-to for years for that sweet spot of accuracy/cost; but I rarely see it and when I do it's expensive.
Lately I've been using IMI. Good stuff.
I have some IMI 77gr match that I just bought I want to try with my scoped AR.
Nice rifle, I have the MK8 on my BA 11.3 and I do like that rail, even if its a thick boy compared to my BCM and DD rails. I typically shoot PMC Xtac both 55gr and 62gr, as well as Armscor and WolfGold, all of which have done very well for me in the past, but my stocks have been running low as of late. I was hoping ammo would go back down but Old Joey in office has only done wonders for gun sales ( the only market under him that seems to be doing well) but I do agree with Winchester typically being the most variable, however this barrel seems to like it more than others, at least for the cheap stuff.
So in my on going evaluation of my 14.5 Geissele upper I shot about 220-300rds this beautiful holiday weekend. All of this was done in forest land and shooting steal, man do I like how this thing ran. I really like this upper especially when paired with the ACOG and 509T, I didn't have any hiccups save for a magazine (10+ year old ASC mag) that caused the bolt to go home on an empty chamber, the same mag also failed again in my brother in laws Rosco/Aero build.
It is a super soft shooting upper and just pinged away at 10 inch plates, when my aging self does Nutnfancy run and guns. While I seem to have issues in keeping a continuous zero, I had no issues making "head shots" on a 2/3rds Ipsc steel target at approximately 100 yards. The one issue I had was that it seems to heat up fast and retain heat more others.
So I think I am now at approximately 750rds, all of which have been flawless as far as hang ups and ejection. I will be cleaning soon and then head back to the range with match ammo, once I can find some at decent prices.
Hello all,
Went out yesterday in the cool 40 degree Wisconsin (10-15 mph winds) weather to shoot match ammo through my 14.5 Geissele Super Duty Upper on an ADM lower with my TA31 ACOG at 100 yards and here is my results. I was shooting Federal Gold Medal Match 69gr as well as Hornady Match 75gr
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Federal Gold Medal Match 69gr at 1.5 inch group at 100yrds
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Federal Gold Medal Match 69gr at 1.5 inch group at 100yrds
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Hornady Match 75gr, just over 2 inches at 100 yards
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Hornady Match 75gr, just under an 1.5 inches at 100 yards
Overall I'm not exactly happy with the accuracy from this Geissele barrel and while this has proven to be minute of man accurate and extremely well put together and engineered, I am left wanting with the accuracy from a "Premium" AR brand. What also sours me, is the other posts from Molon, as well as some others on barrel issues and it kinda leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I really like all other aspect of the upper, and it has been reliable the entire time I've shot it, to where I keep wanting to love it, but when I realized I could have gotten other uppers or put a really great one together for the same $1200 I paid for this I again am a little soured on the upper.
Next steps will most likely be to put this against my other AR's, and show you their groupings with the same ammo, this will be a few weeks out as I cannot get back to the same range anytime soon, but after I do I will post the results.
Links from @Molon whom has previously posted on the barrel issues Geissele is currently experiencing.
geissele super duty fails to eject, fails to lock bolt back
four geissele barrels fail to extract part 1
four geissele barrels fail to extract part 2
Having to Mortar brand new 11.5 URGI part 1
having to mortar brand new 11.5" URGI part 2
geissele 16" barrel short-stroking
problem with yet another geissele 16" super duty
geissele super duty won't reliably chamber rounds
geissele barrel won't cycle reliably part 1
geissele barrel won't cycle reliably part 2
geissele 11.5" won't cycle reliably without a suppressor
geissele gas port size issue
I'm not sure how Geissele markets these Super Duty set ups, but the name would imply "duty" like L.E. or something as opposed to "Super Match". With an ACOG, I wouldn't be disappointed in the group sizes posted... nor would I be thrilled I guess. We run Pappabear's SD with a really nice NightForce ATACR with a great reticle for shooting groups. I have to think there's a half MOA gain in being able to take a more precise aim. This is based on my eyes... I'm totally happy getting under 2 MOA with the ACOG.
With an ACOG, I wouldn't be disappointed in the group sizes posted... nor would I be thrilled I guess.
But this is how I feel, I've shot tighter groups with cheaper 55gr, posted above with the same setup and with everything else I've gotten from Geissele I just expected a better result.
I get it. We too have come to expect EVERY barrel to be MOA or so. One thing I noticed with PB's Geissele barrel is that mixing ammo gave it a freakin fit. We shot a bunch of stuff through it includind some ball powder, and one weekend the groups openned up, and the POI walked down 4 inches and right 2 inches. We were like WTF??? So we re-zero the NightForce. Then PB cleaned the barrel and the following weekend, the POI went EXACTLY back to where it was before.. I mean Exactly.
So.. maybe clean the barrel and stick with one flavor of ammo for a re-test???
So.. maybe clean the barrel and stick with one flavor of ammo for a re-test???
probably a good idea, I'm also going to test other rifles with the same ammo and the ACOG on top just to see what I can get
I'm not sure how Geissele markets these Super Duty set ups, but the name would imply "duty" like L.E.
This is the claim that geissele makes about the accuracy of their CHF barrels . . .
"The accuracy and reliability of Geissele CHF barrels makes them an ideal choice for a hard use duty weapon, precision tuned competition gun, and everything in between."
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This is the claim that geissele makes about the accuracy of their CHF barrels . . .
"The accuracy and reliability of Geissele CHF barrels makes them an ideal choice for a hard use duty weapon, precision tuned competition gun, and everything in between."
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Kind of a do-all marketing deal... But based on that, I'd be expecting really good accuracy.
So as of today it looks like I was wrong about the accuracy of the Geissele 14.5 Super Duty Upper, in that it can in fact shoot very well.
So I have been running a 4x TA31 Acog with a 509t piggybacked for a little over a year. Previously this was sitting on a DDM4 V7 upper, and while I liked everything about the way that it shot, I didn't like the weight and length of the DD V7 upper with a Warcomp as this put it into the 17"+ length and started to become annoying for barricade drills, thus I switched to the 14.5 Geissele upper.
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To sum up the previous posts, I have just not been thrilled with the 1.5-2.5MOA I have been getting out of my 14.5 SD upper with the ACOG. It seems like it just will not shoot a consistent group with any types of ammo I have been using.
So today, myself and my very distracted 8yr old decided we would take the following guns out to my local range to test the same match ammo (Federal 69gr Gold Metal Match and Horandy 75gr Match BTHP). The rifles included the following:
BCM 16" BFH ELW upper on a Aero lower w/ a Primary Arms 1-6x LPVO SFP in an ADM Mid Mount
DDM4V7 16" Upper on a ADM Lower with a Larue 2 stage trigger (also used the same PA 1-6x LPVO SFP in an ADM Mid Mount as well as the the ACOG)
PWS 14.5 DI carbine upper on a complete Aero Lower with a Vortex UH-1 Gen2 and 3x magnifier, later I would mount the PA 1-6x for consistency.
Results are as follows with the Federal Gold Medal Match 69gr, please note that these are 3 shot groups because I didn't have enough ammo to do a 5 shot group for every rifle as my go to LGS was closed early on Wednesday due to Thanksgiving.
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my 16" BCM CHF ELW with Primary Arms 1-6x SFP at approx. 1 inch
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DDM4V7 16" with Primary Arms 1-6x SFP at just under 1 inch
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PWS 14.5 with Vortex UH-1 Gen2 and 3x magnifier at just under 2 inches
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PWS 14.5 with Primary Arms 1-6x SFP at just over 1 inch
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Geissele 14.5 Super Duty with 4x Acog at right at 2 inches (shot 3 groups that were nearly identical to this)
Finally after realizing how much the Primary Arms 1-6x shrunk the group of my PWS I decided to try it on the 14.5 Geissele, this made a huge difference.
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My Primary Arms 1-6x SFP scope I believe I paid around $270 (ACSS 5.56/ 308) in ADM Mid Rise 30mm mount (1.62 offset I believe)
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Geissele 14.5 Super Duty Upper with Primary Arms 1-6x SFP at 3/4 of an inch (Notice that was a 4 shot group and the end of my 69gr Fed Gold Medal Match ammo)
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Geissele 14.5 Super Duty Upper with Primary Arms 1-6x with 55gr Stand One Armory Reman which shows just under a 1.5 inch group
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Geissele 14.5 Super Duty Upper with Primary Arms 1-6x with 75gr Hornady Match 3 shot group at 3/4 of an inch
So over all I'm really glad that my Geissele upper can show some "Premium" accuracy after all, and that it is either me, the ACOG or most likely the KRAM mount and ADM mount that seem to be throwing me off, or it is the fact that I am not the 20/20 eye'd 3x Expert I was in the Marines. While I still like the concept of the ACOG and Piggybacked 509T I'm going to take everything apart and locktite everything up again to see if that helps, or if the approximately 850 rds I put down range in this thing finally broke in the barrel (no issues in reliability btw). After everything, I am pretty happy with this and this will probably be my go to AR for the foreseeable future.
Hello all,
I have gotten a text from a very good friend pointing out how everything posted above makes me look very dumb this makes me look and I agree, but I remember so many people on here posting about their rifle and the accuracy of their post that I was indeed most likely the error at fault and deliver you my actual results because (1.) I hope to actually push my real world knowledge on everyone, and (2.) I hope to to be accurate in my postings. If the fault is mine, then so be it, but I don't want to falsely claim that my Geissele 14.5 SD upper is in accurate when it is in fact not and that the error is most likely of my own making. I hope that this (M4C) remains a place where the content is transparent and we can all benefit from the lessons learned, and that in this case I was not quite the Scout Sniper wantabe with an Trijicon ACOG as I remember myself over 10 years ago. I think I'll end this thread here on my end unless anyone has any questions for me and the process I went through.
Hello all,
I have gotten a text from a very good friend pointing out how everything posted above makes me look very dumb this makes me look and I agree, but I remember so many people on here posting about their rifle and the accuracy of their post that I was indeed most likely the error at fault and deliver you my actual results because (1.) I hope to actually push my real world knowledge on everyone, and (2.) I hope to to be accurate in my postings. If the fault is mine, then so be it, but I don't want to falsely claim that my Geissele 14.5 SD upper is in accurate when it is in fact not and that the error is most likely of my own making. I hope that this (M4C) remains a place where the content is transparent and we can all benefit from the lessons learned, and that in this case I was not quite the Scout Sniper wantabe with an Trijicon ACOG as I remember myself over 10 years ago. I think I'll end this thread here on my end unless anyone has any questions for me and the process I went through.
I personally think your posts and the comparison info were pretty good. It just shows how different ammo and optics come into play with different uppers.
Hello all,
I have gotten a text from a very good friend pointing out how everything posted above makes me look very dumb this makes me look and I agree, but I remember so many people on here posting about their rifle and the accuracy of their post that I was indeed most likely the error at fault and deliver you my actual results because (1.) I hope to actually push my real world knowledge on everyone, and (2.) I hope to to be accurate in my postings. If the fault is mine, then so be it, but I don't want to falsely claim that my Geissele 14.5 SD upper is in accurate when it is in fact not and that the error is most likely of my own making. I hope that this (M4C) remains a place where the content is transparent and we can all benefit from the lessons learned, and that in this case I was not quite the Scout Sniper wantabe with an Trijicon ACOG as I remember myself over 10 years ago. I think I'll end this thread here on my end unless anyone has any questions for me and the process I went through.
You don't look dumb, you look like you kept an open mind and learned something. I thought it was interesting, anyways.
You'd look dumb if you refused to try anything else out and argued about it.
Hello all,
I'm resurrecting this thread as it has been about a year since I have posted on my Geissele 14.5 Super Duty upper mated to a ADM complete ambi lower, I've probably got about 2k rounds through it thus far and plan on posting some groups sizes, all of which has been shot with the aforementioned ACOG and Holosun 509T piggybacked on top. It hasn't been shot an amazing amount over the past year (maybe 800-900 rounds) but it has been dropped on concrete multiple times (thanks to my 9 year old), has been pretty gummed up from a mixture of sand, pine sap, and budget brand bug spray and ran and managed to run against some notable other brands. All in all it has continually posted better and better groups out of it (this I hope to show soon).
Some groups from over the last year.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53132644031_59c10a05c0_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2oX9FXv)20230821_144656 (https://flic.kr/p/2oX9FXv) by Hank Henry (https://www.flickr.com/photos/132384736@N03/), on Flickr
55gr Fed and Wolf Gold mixed (4/22/23)
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53132853384_261f1f20dc_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2oXaLc3)20230821_144803 (https://flic.kr/p/2oXaLc3) by Hank Henry (https://www.flickr.com/photos/132384736@N03/), on Flickr
55gr Stand 1 Armory Reman from yesterday 8/20/23 Very impressed with Stand 1's quality and accuracy
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53133053835_db4f38f42b_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2oXbMM6)20230821_144748 (https://flic.kr/p/2oXbMM6) by Hank Henry (https://www.flickr.com/photos/132384736@N03/), on Flickr
55gr Armscor 10/22/22
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53132046857_9d65b7018f_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2oX6Crp)20230821_144725 (https://flic.kr/p/2oX6Crp) by Hank Henry (https://www.flickr.com/photos/132384736@N03/), on Flickr
6/15/23 55gr Fed and Wolf Gold
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53132853879_d32c18c47f_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2oXaLkz)20230821_144643 (https://flic.kr/p/2oXaLkz) by Hank Henry (https://www.flickr.com/photos/132384736@N03/), on Flickr
7/3/23 Stand 1 Armory 55gr
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52967302151_38d67c84d3_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2oGxgzr)Woods 6-11 (https://flic.kr/p/2oGxgzr) by Hank Henry (https://www.flickr.com/photos/132384736@N03/), on Flickr
These are pictures of a Nutnfancy type run and gun I did with a buddy, his father and his 15 year old son near Rhinelander Wisconsin, the Geissele is the one laying down, the other is my 14.5 DDv7 upper on another ADM lower. All guns ran great even when caked with OFF bugspray as the mosquitos where like a fog at the time, the only hiccups came from Russ's (buddies dad's Wilson Combat) that failed to go into battery after being gummed up with pine sap and that lime green pollen that coats everything in the north woods. To my surprise it didn't come with a forward assist or a H buffer, but that's why you train.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53132052122_c7c212e730_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2oX6E1b)20230821_144629 (https://flic.kr/p/2oX6E1b) by Hank Henry (https://www.flickr.com/photos/132384736@N03/), on Flickr
I'm probably going to camo paint this rifle as that seems to be what I end up doing, I'm also trying to get a surefire can for this, but currently my budget doesn't allow it until I get some other things squared away first.
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