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Thanks for the info!!!! They’re $.01 more expensive each than the 69s in quantities of 1000.
I really need to find some powder and primers.
I didn't buy any yet. I just can't take another load test/development. We're so happy with those 69gr bullets, it's crazy. I shot them out to 750 with the ACOG yesterday.
blacktail 8541
08-08-22, 19:56
I am also going to wait awhile on the 75's. I just went through a pull my hair out load development with a stubborn barrel. Just put together another upper with a Bartlien barrel by compass lake barrel and put 29 rounds down it today. 3 shots with cleaning in between shots to get a 50 yard zero, then out to 100 yds. Groups were great even with the cleaning every few shots. I will save the rest of the story for another thread.
I am also going to wait awhile on the 75's. I just went through a pull my hair out load development with a stubborn barrel. Just put together another upper with a Bartlien barrel by compass lake barrel and put 29 rounds down it today. 3 shots with cleaning in between shots to get a 50 yard zero, then out to 100 yds. Groups were great even with the cleaning every few shots. I will save the rest of the story for another thread.
Me three. I still have a 1,000+ or so Hornady 68 grain HPBT w/cannalure and 700 or so Nosler 77 grain CC with cannalure that I have to use up first. And I have less than 1200 450 CCI primers left and only about 8 lbs of TAC. Need more primers right now than I need bullets, and a fixed income only goes so far.
I didn't buy any yet. I just can't take another load test/development. We're so happy with those 69gr bullets, it's crazy. I shot them out to 750 with the ACOG yesterday.
We have 8 bazillion of the 69's in stock, that being said.......Lets see how long the 75's can sit in Marks manufacturing without him dumping some powder underneath these bad boys to test.:cool:
Give it two weeks max!! Range report to follow :dance3:
PB
I can't NOT load something. It would keep me up at night.
vicious_cb
08-12-22, 15:08
Looks like a copy of the PPU 75gr bullets that Wideners had a while back. Anyone mind doing a water jug test to see if it performs the same?
Looks like a copy of the PPU 75gr bullets that Wideners had a while back. Anyone mind doing a water jug test to see if it performs the same?
Hope they don’t shoot like the PPU 69gr. Certified 2.5 MOA bullet [emoji123]
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My guess is that they’ll fly as well as the 69s. I bought 500 of them to try out.
Looks like a copy of the PPU 75gr bullets that Wideners had a while back. Anyone mind doing a water jug test to see if it performs the same?
We will jug these bullets to get some idea how they perform. I am pumped they started making some heavies. I am a big fan of RMR, good stuff.
PB
I happen to have a bunch of primed Norma brass that will be perfect for testing these bullets. We should be running them next weekend.
As much as you guys talk about how great these RMR bullets are it makes me want to sell my stock pile of Matchking 77's and Hornady 75's. Got roughly 3000 75's and 2000 77's yet plus a boat load of 55's and get some of these 69's or the 75's.
As much as you guys talk about how great these RMR bullets are it makes me want to sell my stock pile of Matchking 77's and Hornady 75's. Got roughly 3000 75's and 2000 77's yet plus a boat load of 55's and get some of these 69's or the 75's.
Nobody's Beta tested these out yet, outside of RMR. So don't be throwing your 77's & 75's over the gunnel's quite yet. Let it payout a bit.
Currently Hornady 75's with cannelure are selling for around $.20 cents a pop
Sierra's w/cannelure for around $.39 cents each and around $.30 wo/cannelure
RMR's all cannelure free sell from around $.15 to $.16 cents each, depending on whether your buying for your self only or outfitting the mongolian horde.
Local store had 500 packs of 77 Sierra for $100. I bought 7K of them. Still had about 15 boxes left. Otherwise I would have got some of these to test. I am set for awhile.
As much as you guys talk about how great these RMR bullets are it makes me want to sell my stock pile of Matchking 77's and Hornady 75's. Got roughly 3000 75's and 2000 77's yet plus a boat load of 55's and get some of these 69's or the 75's.
I haven't even loaded 77s in quite some time. No real need. I was messing with those 85 gr match burners, but I got tired of them. Full price bullet that wasn't that exciting. I load about 100 69s every week for that weekend's shoot.
So don't be throwing your 77's & 75's over the gunnel's quite yet.
Yeah. Never sell bullets.
I may shoot these head to head against Hornady 75gr Match bullets. I have plenty of same flavor brass, so if they arrive this week we'll try them out.
The bullets have landed. We've shot a few thousand of the 69s. I'm not sure these could shoot any better, but they might have a further reach.
The 69s track great with the ACOG on a 14.5 until you hit 600 yards... at that range you have to favor low.. at the base of the target to hit center. (a high class problem)
http://i.imgur.com/4ehn9kr.jpg (https://imgur.com/4ehn9kr)
Range report to follow.
PB
Might have to dip into my last pound of XBR for 10 or 20 rounds. The weather is the only thing that can wreck us.
Got these 75s loaded up to test this weekend. Running the RMR 69s and 75s with WOLF SRMs, H322, and Norma once fired brass.
Here's pic of the Hornady 75gr, RMR 75gr, and the RMR 69gr
https://i.imgur.com/HjV3Edt.jpg
Those look more like Sierras in the Ogive than Hornadys. I wonder if they’ll be more forgiving to jump length.
Those look more like Sierras in the Ogive than Hornadys. I wonder if they’ll be more forgiving to jump length.
OAL with no dies adjustment was about .005" longer on the 75s compared to the 69s.
First time out the 75s shot this (last round is the flyer):
https://i.imgur.com/8Z2J6RB.jpg
The 69s shot this (first round is the flyer):
https://i.imgur.com/h3pSMqP.jpg
And Hornady 75 gr bullets shot this:
https://i.imgur.com/r2t1IwI.jpg
What load are you using for the 75’s?
What load are you using for the 75’s?
21.8 gr of H322. Same load I use for 77s. We didn't chrono or shoot any to 1000 yards yet. We had a pair of extra shooter yesterday, and I didn't feel like setting up the chrono. Next weekend probably.
Might have to dip into my last pound of XBR for 10 or 20 rounds. The weather is the only thing that can wreck us.
Did you end up doing this? I have a some XBR so curious to hear the accuracy with that combo.
Also, we didn't do any load development. Just subbed in the current load so we should be able to get these groups to tighten should we choose to work at it. If we can get MOA consistency, thats good enough for us. Just had some weird fliers Saturday.
PB
Did you end up doing this? I have a some XBR so curious to hear the accuracy with that combo.
I did. Shot 5 on paper which were similar to the other groups. I really should have got chrono on them, but I've given up on getting every single thing buttoned up on one range trip. We'll get some more info this weekend.
Gunnar da Wolf
08-23-22, 19:42
I’m out of 77gr SMK and perilously low on 77gr Nosler bullets. Based on the fun you guys are having I may order a thousand of these new RMR 75gr.
I’m curious about the terminal performance since the “H” in 3GH is allegedly for “hunting”.
I’m out of 77gr SMK and perilously low on 77gr Nosler bullets. Based on the fun you guys are having I may order a thousand of these new RMR 75gr.
I’m curious about the terminal performance since the “H” in 3GH is allegedly for “hunting”.
Yes and at half the cost, hard to pass on these for at least a little testing.
PB
I wanted to set up some get jugs to shoot, but couldn't find any jugs big enough. The 69s weren't thrillers on the frag front, but they're outstanding long range bullets for their weight class.
Damnit! I just got settled on the 69s, but I may have to switch to the 75s for 1,000yds.
Do you think there will be a huge difference between the two at 1k?
Im getting 2750 out of my 16" with 69s, and about 2650 with 77s.
Do you think there will be a huge difference between the two at 1k?
We'll get an idea this weekend if the wind isn't terrible. I still have like 30 rounds of both 69 and 75.
I did. Shot 5 on paper which were similar to the other groups. I really should have got chrono on them, but I've given up on getting every single thing buttoned up on one range trip. We'll get some more info this weekend.
Good stuff. I need to order a batch of these but it all sounds positive. Price is hard to beat even if the accuracy isn’t 100% there, 95% will be sufficient.
Good stuff. I need to order a batch of these but it all sounds positive. Price is hard to beat even if the accuracy isn’t 100% there, 95% will be sufficient.
I'm sure a load could be worked up. I don't see much downside risk on buying these. It's funny because I ran some CLP and patches through the bolt gun barrel. Then shot a group like 3", and was like... EFF ME! Re-fouled the barrel and shot some of the posted groups.
We'll get an idea this weekend if the wind isn't terrible. I still have like 30 rounds of both 69 and 75.
That would be awesome. I just built my new upper, need to double check zero and chrono tomorrow, then dial in my ballistics, but may be pushing to 1k tuesday. I havent connected yet. (700yds open every tues, 1k 1x per month)
New upper + rmr is getting me consistent head hunter heads at 650 and (i think) 12" plates at 700. I want that 1k target!!
Btw I get out pretty much every week now so I can test stuff too, let me know.
We got some more time with these this weekend. Turns out the H322 load of 21.8 gr was really slow. Out of the 20" bolt gun it was around 2730 or so. The XBR load was nice. It was 2835 and was consistent at 1000 yards with 11.4 mils of come up. It tracked well on corrections, and wasn't all over the mound.
I plan to load XBR, and work up the H322 load because I have more H322 by far.
We got some more time with these this weekend. Turns out the H322 load of 21.8 gr was really slow. Out of the 20" bolt gun it was around 2730 or so. The XBR load was nice. It was 2835 and was consistent at 1000 yards with 11.4 mils of come up. It tracked well on corrections, and wasn't all over the mound.
I plan to load XBR, and work up the H322 load because I have more H322 by far.
Ive been using 22.2gr with 77s and will try that with the 75rmr when they come in. Im getting 2625 in the 14.5"
I dont have any left for the 16", but dropping to a cci 400(450?) Dropped velocity to 2500:blink:
I dont have any left for the 16", but dropping to a cci 400(450?) Dropped velocity to 2500:blink:
That is odd. Our 400s were just slightly milder than the 450s/41s in the TAC load. I could feel the weakness in the ammo on my BCM SOCOM which runs lean. It locked back on the front of the carrier and not the bolt. Just glad I didn't load hundreds of underpowered rounds before catching it.
MarshallDodge
09-01-22, 10:59
Ive been using 22.2gr with 77s and will try that with the 75rmr when they come in. Im getting 2625 in the 14.5"
I dont have any left for the 16", but dropping to a cci 400(450?) Dropped velocity to 2500:blink:
I would start looking at other factors if you are seeing a 125FPS change with only a different primer. In the cold it may matter more but not so much on a warm day. I would double check the powder charge, as well as your chrono to be certain it is working correctly.
With CCI's current 450/41s, you can almost shoot with NO powder they're so hot. I'm throwing all my brass out after shooting loads with those things.... we can't back the powder charge down far enough.
With CCI's current 450/41s, you can almost shoot with NO powder they're so hot. I'm throwing all my brass out after shooting loads with those things.... we can't back the powder charge down far enough.
I’ve been having that problem with 62gr loads and have been blaming the surplus powder and voodoo hexes. I was going to run the rest of that powder with 55s to salvage it, but now I’m wondering about the 41s.
Can you name any lot #s?
They're at home, but it's the stuff rolling of the lines right now. Brand new panic production.
triggerjerk
09-01-22, 14:52
Would you go Hornady 62 hpbt or rmr 69 for accuracy to 600? 62's have served me well, but for a penny more, I'd be willing to try rmr. And has anyone shot meat yet with rmr?
I would go 69. A solid step up
In performance.
PB
triggerjerk
09-01-22, 15:59
That's what I needed to know. Thanks....
The 62 Hornady is a great bullet, but yeah.... These 69s are an easy walk out every weekend with my SOCOM/ACOG to 600. 750 is a little work since it's beyond the reticle markers.
I'd like to shoot the 75s and 69s in gel if I ever get some nice jugs to hold the goop.
triggerjerk
09-01-22, 17:33
Search function doesn't work well for me here, so I gotsta ask: use Sierra 69 data? I'll prolly ask rmr in just a few..... And powder on hand is cfe223....
Search function doesn't work well for me here, so I gotsta ask: use Sierra 69 data? I'll prolly ask rmr in just a few..... And powder on hand is cfe223....
Im getting .328bc out to 700.
I might be able to refine that slightly but its close.
I would start looking at other factors if you are seeing a 125FPS change with only a different primer. In the cold it may matter more but not so much on a warm day. I would double check the powder charge, as well as your chrono to be certain it is working correctly.
There gone, im just not buying more.
Gunnar da Wolf
09-17-22, 20:00
After dinking around with the RMR 75 gr bullets, CFE223 was decent but today’s loads with XBR over S&B primers turned up a .77” five round group at 100 with two flyers out of a three round one holer. I think the flyers were all me. Now that I’ve gotten there I’ll load up a batch and plan a day at the longest range available to me.
RMR’s email of today with the cutaway of the 75gr bullet makes me want to set up some water jugs and have at it…
vicious_cb
09-18-22, 00:28
RMR’s email of today with the cutaway of the 75gr bullet makes me want to set up some water jugs and have at it…
Please do share.
Gunnar da Wolf
09-18-22, 07:05
https://i.imgur.com/966hW63_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
Here it is from RMR’s email of 9/17/22 where he also quips that the CC companies should list his products as “Agricultural” since they mostly get planted in the ground
We spun up a load that seems to be a winner. 22.2 gr of H322 & Wolf SRMs Shooting inch or better at 2750 fps from the 20" bolt gun. And the SD was 6 on a 5 round string. I'm going to run with that for now until XBR is available again.
Gunnar da Wolf
09-21-22, 20:44
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My chrono says launch velocity was just over 2600fps. Gallon water jugs set at 50 yards. The bullet fragments made it into the third jug and some part cracked the back of that jug. I’m not thinking these are for hunting anything you might eat…
I apologize for the crappy iphone pix. The fragments were lost before I got home.
vicious_cb
09-21-22, 20:58
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My chrono says launch velocity was just over 2600fps. Gallon water jugs set at 50 yards. The bullet fragments made it into the third jug and some part cracked the back of that jug. I’m not thinking these are for hunting anything you might eat…
I apologize for the crappy iphone pix. The fragments were lost before I got home.
Thats some pretty mean fragmentation, how much frag was in the first jug?
Definitely doesnt look like the PPU 75gr where the rear core almost looks like an expanded bullet.
We spun up a load that seems to be a winner. 22.2 gr of H322 & Wolf SRMs Shooting inch or better at 2750 fps from the 20" bolt gun. And the SD was 6 on a 5 round string. I'm going to run with that for now until XBR is available again.
This is great info.
Gunnar da Wolf
09-21-22, 22:02
Thats some pretty mean fragmentation, how much frag was in the first jug?
Definitely doesnt look like the PPU 75gr where the rear core almost looks like an expanded bullet.
There was no inside for the first jug as it was pretty wrecked, what remained of the jacket was in the second along with the smaller lead fragments, the largest lead chunk was in the third.
Cool frag pics. I've been saving up jugs to do one too.
We did a 10.5" AR frag test today. 15 yards, calibrated Nam gel 17" deep. Bullet did not penetrate completely, but fragged brilliantly:
https://i.imgur.com/HbfTOpk.jpg
Only frags we could recover:
https://i.imgur.com/PXSAUQI.jpg
Gunnar da Wolf
10-04-22, 20:14
I don’t think these bullets could be any more “explodey” if they were filled with ACME TNT by Wile Y Coyote.
I think I like them…
I don’t think these bullets could be any more “explodey” if they were filled with ACME TNT by Wile Y Coyote.
I think I like them…
Same here. I ran them out to 900 yards on the ACOG. It only reticles to 600, so I estimated 750 and 900. I took a few cracks at 1000 but ran out of ammo (20 round mag). 100-500 tracked great on the reticle with 600 needing a low favor. And this is with the squirrelly CCI primers too.
Gunnar da Wolf
10-05-22, 09:41
The farthest I can conveniently shoot is a bit over 400, I probably could just shoot 55-69gr bullets.
But where’s the fun in that?
It’s a shame you’re having issues with the newer CCI #41 primers. Mine are all over 10 years old so hopefully CCI will get them sorted out before I need more. FWIW, when I shot reloads that were all identical except for primer the #41’s gave me about 100fps more than the other primers I had on hand.
I'd love to shoot a tray of older 41s against the new batches. I think I've used a few hundred 450s in the past, but I'm not sure.
I've shot a lot of #41s under 25.5gr Tac/55gr FMJ. Also a bit of it under 25gr XBR/55gr FMJ. I wonder if it's the powder/bullet combo.
Edited to Add: My buddies go-to accuracy load is #41/23gr XBR/77gr Nosler CC. This whole debacle really makes me wonder what's going on.
I've ran the 41s with TAC too when working up the Match Burner load. Although better than fast powder, still not right.
Ive had these out to distance and they fly well. However, I am seeing a much greater group size than with the 69s.
I plan to do a head:head against 77gr nosler CC soon.
Cool. I need to revisit these some time too. I actually loaded some 55gr FMJs and shot them yesterday. Tried to shoot them to 1000 yards with the 20" bolt gun. Not a pretty effort, but it was fun to try.
Cool. I need to revisit these some time too. I actually loaded some 55gr FMJs and shot them yesterday. Tried to shoot them to 1000 yards with the 20" bolt gun. Not a pretty effort, but it was fun to try.
I find the 55's get unpredictable through the transonic range. The 69gr rmr seem to hold pretty true (my friend hit 1k with 69's the same day I hit with the 75's).
COMPARISON
So, these are single 10-shot groups, and I'm not a machine or Molon - a bit of this variation is from me, but it's consistent variation if that makes sense - I actually just discovered some inconsistency in my grip so I need to train that out!
Results are:
-Bullet
-ES all 10
-ES of best 7 shots
-ES of best 4 shots
If there is interest in other measurements, let me know.
69gr RMR
1.94"
0.82"
0.47"
75gr RMR
2.30"
1.31"
0.70"
Nosler CC 77g w/canelure
2.15"*
1.06"
0.56"
*grip issue caused 1st 2 shots to go high.
Cool. I need to revisit these some time too. I actually loaded some 55gr FMJs and shot them yesterday. Tried to shoot them to 1000 yards with the 20" bolt gun. Not a pretty effort, but it was fun to try.
I find the 55's get unpredictable through the transonic range. The 69gr rmr seem to hold pretty true (my friend hit 1k with 69's the same day I hit with the 75's).
COMPARISON
So, these are single 10-shot groups, and I'm not a machine or Molon - a bit of this variation is from me, but it's consistent variation if that makes sense - I actually just discovered some inconsistency in my grip so I need to train that out!
Results are:
-Bullet
-ES all 10
-ES of best 7 shots
-ES of best 4 shots
If there is interest in other measurements, let me know.
69gr RMR
1.94"
0.82"
0.47"
75gr RMR
2.30"
1.31"
0.70"
Nosler CC 77g w/canelure
2.15"*
1.06"
0.56"
*grip issue caused 1st 2 shots to go high.
Definitely forgot about transonic. We shot the 55s again yesterday with wind, and it was impossible to get a bullet on the mount... let alone a hit.
The 100 round $0.18 77 blem boxes are back in stock at Midway. Grabbed a couple more and some more 85gr Match Burners too.
The 100 round $0.18 77 blem boxes are back in stock at Midway. Grabbed a couple more and some more 85gr Match Burners too.
Thanks for the heads up man. I see the canelure ones are there for $20 as well but I got the smooth ones this time.
I grabbed a couple hunnit smoothies too. And the last 100 85gr Match Burners.
I grabbed a couple hunnit smoothies too. And the last 100 85gr Match Burners.
The 85gr match burners are too long for AR mags right?
The 85gr match burners are too long for AR mags right?
No. Not at all. We already have the 88 ELDMs loaded long, so I wouldn't take on another of those long loaded cartridges too. These are mag length. I'm loading them with 23.0 TAC and Fed primers.
Thanks for the heads up man. I see the canelure ones are there for $20 as well but I got the smooth ones this time.
Just opened these up, and they are weird looking. Appears to be a rouge left all over them. I plan to wash them thoroughly. If it's really a rouge, it will ruin a barrel. I think sinister here had a barrel throat ruined due to rouge left inside some brass.
Just opened these up, and they are weird looking. Appears to be a rouge left all over them. I plan to wash them thoroughly. If it's really a rouge, it will ruin a barrel. I think sinister here had a barrel throat ruined due to rouge left inside some brass.
Mine are a little dark (look oxidized). Good to know, Ill probably acid wash them.
I ended up tumbling mine. 90% came out clean, but a handful looked like they had a botched moly job. Someone from Sierre messaged me that he thought they were SMKs and they DO NOT use rouge.. so that's good. Here's the uglies:
https://i.imgur.com/DtWwkWw.jpg
Lmfao, mine are not that rough!!
Try acid washing them. A quick stir un clr should remove oxides.
Or any HCl based cleaner (the works)
Avoid sulfuric or ammonia (base not acid)
Edit: i do have some rough ones. Oxidized for sure. A 10 minute vinigar wash gets them brightened up.
After and before:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/aypmkhf41uoxu2y/20230510_184016.jpg?raw=1
The ones pictured are the odd balls. The rest dry tumbled up nice.
308TRUMPFTW
05-13-23, 15:07
I buy lots of nosler seconds and every now and then find a tiny bit of tumbler media stuck in the hollow point so maybe those ugly ones weren't tumbled as well as the others? The 69? grain rmr bullets have shot well for me. YMMV.
I buy lots of nosler seconds and every now and then find a tiny bit of tumbler media stuck in the hollow point so maybe those ugly ones weren't tumbled as well as the others? The 69? grain rmr bullets have shot well for me. YMMV.
These are 77s. tumble media is standard in CCs. Our ammo box with Nosler bullets always has a bunch off damned media particles.
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