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PSA JAKL arrived to do battle for the ‘ultimate SHTF firearm’ (side charging, folding brace, stanag mag taking 5.56’s) against the BRN180S, FM15, Bren 2, Galil and inbound P556 and M85NP.
Edited to add: (for under $2k with red dot, sights and folding brace)
https://i.ibb.co/2PLjzy2/BE0-DEF5-A-E595-4-BDC-ADE3-6-C0333-A1-E793.jpg (https://ibb.co/nfVDXb2)
https://i.ibb.co/qyk4dW0/916-BE7-F5-7726-42-F7-9954-7-A70173579-C1.jpg (https://ibb.co/p0JsxRW)
So first things first, any serious business firearm has a "stock" not a "brace."
Assuming this is just a LOLpost in the Euro tradition.
So first things first, any serious business firearm has a "stock" not a "brace."
Assuming this is just a LOLpost in the Euro tradition.
Sadly, I think it was posted unironically.
PSA JAKL arrived to do battle for the ‘ultimate SHTF firearm’ (side charging, folding brace, stanag mag taking 5.56’s) against the BRN180S, FM15, Bren 2, Galil and inbound P556 and M85NP.
https://i.ibb.co/2PLjzy2/BE0-DEF5-A-E595-4-BDC-ADE3-6-C0333-A1-E793.jpg (https://ibb.co/nfVDXb2)
Definitely a cool and interesting collection. I wouldn't kick a one of them out of bed. But, save for maybe the incoming Sig P556, I'm not sure if I'd trust any of them as "my go to war" weapon. Nice collection though, no doubt.
So first things first, any serious business firearm has a "stock" not a "brace."
Assuming this is just a LOLpost in the Euro tradition.
On this side of SHTF the government folks frown on SBRs without excessive taxation so for now braces it is.
On this side of SHTF the government folks frown on SBRs without excessive taxation so for now braces it is.
Not tracking. Are you saying SBRs aren't allowed where you live or are you saying you are unwilling to pay $200 to have a reliable setup?
The Dumb Gun Collector
08-20-22, 05:17
I would probably go with that ACE. They seem to be pretty durable. I like the Bren in theory but mine has been finicky. Some of those other guns I am having difficulty identifying. The top one looks like some sort of horrible early 00s G36 hybrid from the back of shotgun news (JK)
Not tracking. Are you saying SBRs aren't allowed where you live or are you saying you are unwilling to pay $200 to have a reliable setup?
I’m assembling these for comparison sake. I may end up keeping all of them but I don’t know which yet. I won’t be paying a tax stamp to SBR them or adding stocks.
SHTF firearm...I'd venture to guess whatever weapon you have with you at such time, be it handgun, AR pistol, lever gun, walking stick, whatever. My bias would be toward a standard AR rifle of ones favored manufacturer and some additional magazines. My compliments on a very nice assortment !
Not tracking. Are you saying SBRs aren't allowed where you live or are you saying you are unwilling to pay $200 to have a reliable setup?
How is a brace unreliable?
SHTF firearm...I'd venture to guess whatever weapon you have with you at such time, be it handgun, AR pistol, lever gun, walking stick, whatever. My bias would be toward a standard AR rifle of ones favored manufacturer and some additional magazines. My compliments on a very nice assortment !
Thank you and I agree, the best weapon would depend on the situation and could be rock or sharp stick in the right moment.
For a post-power grid scenario I’m thinking there could be situations where you’d want to appear unarmed, making the foldable, compact 8-11” barreled guns a good option. Once your pantry runs low it’s going to be a lot of scurrying around.
AR’s are great but I just can’t stand the charging handle location and the buffer tube. So to make my short list it’s got to be side-charging and have folding capability.
How is a brace unreliable?
Given the fact that I've seen some actual factory stocks fail and brake, last thing I'd want is a wonkier version of the same.
I would probably go with that ACE. They seem to be pretty durable. I like the Bren in theory but mine has been finicky.
These are my thoughts exactly.
These are my thoughts exactly.
Yeah, the Ace is no doubt bomb proof but even this shortest one is so heavy. I’m imagining a situation where you’re tired, hungry, thirsty, hot/ cold and carrying everything you own and that difference in weight might matter. Great truck gun but I’m not sure about it as something you have to wear 24/7.
This is my idea of the ultimate SHTF rifle.
No stupid side charging, no folding stock. Simple, light and effective.
http://hkguns.zenfolio.com/img/s/v-10/p4105199299-5.jpg
This is my idea of the ultimate SHTF rifle.
No stupid side charging, no folding stock. Simple, light and effective.
http://hkguns.zenfolio.com/img/s/v-10/p4105199299-5.jpg
Nice. Mine needs to fold down into a backpack without disassembly necessitating the side folding ability.
Nice. Mine needs to fold down into a backpack without disassembly necessitating the side folding ability.
I can see a use case for backpack breakdown, but when the S really hits the fan I recon the last thing I'd care about is stuffing it into a backpack.
Yeah, the Ace is no doubt bomb proof but even this shortest one is so heavy. I’m imagining a situation where you’re tired, hungry, thirsty, hot/ cold and carrying everything you own and that difference in weight might matter. Great truck gun but I’m not sure about it as something you have to wear 24/7.
If you're out living in Zombieland 24/7, that rubber and velcro arm brace stock is going to disintegrate into nothing.
If you're out living in Zombieland 24/7, that rubber and velcro arm brace stock is going to disintegrate into nothing.
Eventually it probably would but all of these guns would probably outlast their owners in a post-power grid situation.
Eventually it probably would but all of these guns would probably outlast their owners in a post-power grid situation.
But isn't the point to have one that is gonna survive with you if you somehow manage to survive?
I'm not saying you have to SBR every gun you own, but pick the one that you believe will be your SHTF rifle and SBR that one at least. Survival includes lot of falling down, dropping stuff and other unintended actions. This is why the military has things called "drop test" qualifiers, there isn't a single arm brace anything that is gonna meet that standard. Hell some of the commercial firearms which are copies of military rifles won't even meet that standard.
Hell even if you just have the correct stocks stashed at your buddies house just in case. Cause those arm brace things hold up like airsoft / paintball gear.
Sell some of those and you can spend more.
Steyr AUG and Tavor's seem to meet your criteria.
So would a Turkish AP5 or Mini-14 except for the mags.
I don't worry about the "grid going down" for an extended period because that would be a long death. Unless there was a place to escape to and I knew about it.
You would just live a little longer to suffer more. Don't worry about it. What's for dinner tonight?
https://youtu.be/PrAwU0fjY3g
Sell some of those and you can spend more.
Steyr AUG and Tavor's seem to meet your criteria.
So would a Turkish AP5 or Mini-14 except for the mags.
I don't worry about the "grid going down" for an extended period because that would be a long death. Unless there was a place to escape to and I knew about it.
You would just live a little longer to suffer more. Don't worry about it. What's for dinner tonight?
Yeah, I agree. Factors other than the difference between best/ worst in the test would probably determine survival. But it’s more fun to think about gear and guns than the stuff like access to drinkable water, medical treatment and the logistics of getting out of urban areas that would probably actually determine one’s lifespan in this situation.
But the power grid going down is just a time machine. It’s awful given society’s dependence on it but it’s just a time machine that plopped you into the year 1,800 AD surrounded by people who don’t know how to live in 1,800AD.
I made a practice video with some initial impressions of these guns. Still waiting on some parts to start running all of them.
https://youtu.be/PrAwU0fjY3g
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