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Buncheong
08-26-22, 22:55
“Unlike gas prices, the Left’s obsession with race-baiting and its desire to mutilate and indoctrinate children are ills that will not go away on their own. Thus, these issues are never-ending gold mines for Republicans. Conservative candidates who do not make the culture war the centerpieces of their campaigns for all offices will deserve the losses they serve up for themselves.”

https://amgreatness.com/2022/08/25/yes-republicans-are-blowing-the-midterms/

OutofBatt3ry
08-26-22, 23:04
NM...no point in responding. (I had a lengthy response..it was good...but it doesn't matter)

Off topic, what are ya'll drinking on this fine Friday?

Vodka with mixers and a few beers before bed for us.

(Booze is the only commodity that hasn't gone up significantly in the last 2 years...weird..at least in my AO)

SteyrAUG
08-27-22, 00:04
Republicans don't want to play this "culture war" nonsense unless they want to lose everything. They are already going to be playing defense on the whole Roe v Wade thing which was considered "untouchable" by so many people that the average voter will consider it THE election issue.

If Republicans want to win they have to focus on the economy, the economy and the economy. Every question about this or that needs to be steered back to the economy. Even Bill f'ing Clinton was smart enough to figure that one out, remember that guy? The one who got two terms no matter what kind of crap he pulled.

JediGuy
08-27-22, 05:56
I disagree on the import given to Roe v Wade, but otherwise agree. To be clear, even if the economy starts to improve, even if Trump is obviously to blame for inflation…beat that drum. That’s what will work this time. Not so sure by 2024.

SteyrAUG
08-27-22, 06:04
I disagree on the import given to Roe v Wade, but otherwise agree. To be clear, even if the economy starts to improve, even if Trump is obviously to blame for inflation…beat that drum. That’s what will work this time. Not so sure by 2024.

Clinton didn't think his AW ban would cost him his Congressional majority, it did.

Entryteam
08-27-22, 10:08
Clinton didn't think his AW ban would cost him his Congressional majority, it did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HEalzSpHhw

This is how it should be done.

gsd2053
08-27-22, 10:27
Hearts and Minds. Play the game. Or be played by the game.

WillBrink
08-27-22, 10:49
Republicans don't want to play this "culture war" nonsense unless they want to lose everything. They are already going to be playing defense on the whole Roe v Wade thing which was considered "untouchable" by so many people that the average voter will consider it THE election issue.

If Republicans want to win they have to focus on the economy, the economy and the economy. Every question about this or that needs to be steered back to the economy. Even Bill f'ing Clinton was smart enough to figure that one out, remember that guy? The one who got two terms no matter what kind of crap he pulled.

Agreed. Some may feel it was worth it, but there's no doubt RvW will cost the GOP a lot of votes, and more who may have otherwise not voted, will due to being angry over RvW. I think without that, it would have been a legit red wave as they said. Whether it's enough to cost the GOP midterms, guess we will know soon enough.

The Dumb Gun Collector
08-27-22, 12:00
The RVW thing is a problem but the real problem is we are saddled with pathetic senate candidates whose only qualifications seem to be a nod from the man in the beach mansion. None of these guys have the chops. Literally, any generic Republican would have been better than these guys. In fact, generic Republicans seem to be winning their races. We will keep the house, probably, thanks to the lower profile of most of those races but Jesus...we have been getting our asses kicked since 2018 and the common denominator is obvious.


***Addendum

We still need to realize that the media is clearly coordinating a narrative that the Republicans are blowing it to try and get Democrats to show up and suppress the Republicans. You can look at JD Vance in Ohio. He is going to win. The media is blowing pure moonshine into the air and pretending that his 5 point lead is going to go away. If THAT GUY is 5 points ahead a Democrat cannot win this race in Ohio. Yet they persist because they want to keep the pressure on in case Vance does something so horrible it surpasses Republicans further. Expect a child porn related Oct surprise or similar.

Plus, Jerome Powell just dropped a reality bomb on Friday that I am sure Joe didn't appreciate after his 1 trillion dollar student loan election bribe.

JediGuy
08-27-22, 12:44
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HEalzSpHhw

This is how it should be done.

I support this message.

Biggy
08-27-22, 13:28
Turn off the fake news and your life will become much better.

FromMyColdDeadHand
08-27-22, 13:55
I have no idea what is going to happen, but I think there is a distinct chance that on election night, the DEms lose the house and senate- bigly- and all the talking heads start talking about how they got it wrong because they were right for some reason.

The MSM and DEms have a narrative that everything is all roses. People know that it isn’t. A buck off the peak of gas prices isn’t going to make everyone forget all the other crap.


This Trump baiting is all about taking the Georgia senate races into a national model.

Trump never saw a circular firing squad that he didn’t want to join.

SteyrAUG
08-27-22, 14:28
The RVW thing is a problem but the real problem is we are saddled with pathetic senate candidates whose only qualifications seem to be a nod from the man in the beach mansion. None of these guys have the chops. Literally, any generic Republican would have been better than these guys. In fact, generic Republicans seem to be winning their races. We will keep the house, probably, thanks to the lower profile of most of those races but Jesus...we have been getting our asses kicked since 2018 and the common denominator is obvious.


***Addendum

We still need to realize that the media is clearly coordinating a narrative that the Republicans are blowing it to try and get Democrats to show up and suppress the Republicans. You can look at JD Vance in Ohio. He is going to win. The media is blowing pure moonshine into the air and pretending that his 5 point lead is going to go away. If THAT GUY is 5 points ahead a Democrat cannot win this race in Ohio. Yet they persist because they want to keep the pressure on in case Vance does something so horrible it surpasses Republicans further. Expect a child porn related Oct surprise or similar.

Plus, Jerome Powell just dropped a reality bomb on Friday that I am sure Joe didn't appreciate after his 1 trillion dollar student loan election bribe.

There has been an effective and coordinated MSM attack since 2000, and honestly even before that. Helen Thomas was their general for how many decades?

The_War_Wagon
08-27-22, 15:09
Pro-life vs. Pro-DEATH is never a problem, but definitely beat that economic drum & the ILLEGAL FOREIGN INVADERS streaming across our border drum!

ChattanoogaPhil
08-27-22, 15:48
There must be quite a media audience for doom among the right.

Lately I've heard that republicans will lose because of candidate quality, talking about past election, economic issues, taxes, energy prices, abortion, environment... you name it... republicans will lose. Now a kid who graduated from school a couple years ago is lecturing that Republicans will lose unless focusing on social issues like white hate and sexual indoctrination.

I think i'll just vote republican and leave others to bask in doomsaying.

hotbiggun42
08-27-22, 16:08
Republicans are not blowing the midterms the Republicans led by Mitch are throwing the midterms. No way do they want to hand Trump a majority when he wins his second term.

The_War_Wagon
08-27-22, 16:49
Republicans are not blowing the midterms the Republicans led by Mitch are throwing the midterms. No way do they want to hand Trump a majority when he wins his THIRD term.


FIFY!

The Dumb Gun Collector
08-27-22, 17:10
It’s impossible to avoid the Democrat narrative, they control the vast majority of outlets (even if the percentage is more balanced).

That being said, candidate quality is absolutely an issue. In my state we are running a retarded man whose only qualifications are playing college ball, bobsledding, being good at sit-ups, and getting the nod from Trump University. It’s absurd, we could win in GA with a generic candidate but we picked someone because they were a celebrity. It’s f’n nuts.

Abortion helped motivate depressed democrats but oh well. Helping limit baby murder is worth the extra hassle. I’m sure some folks wish we wouldn’t talk about guns but I’m not giving up that either. That being said, it’s been a rallying cry for the Moloch worshippers.

SteyrAUG
08-27-22, 18:04
It’s impossible to avoid the Democrat narrative, they control the vast majority of outlets (even if the percentage is more balanced).

That being said, candidate quality is absolutely an issue. In my state we are running a retarded man whose only qualifications are playing college ball, bobsledding, being good at sit-ups, and getting the nod from Trump University. It’s absurd, we could win in GA with a generic candidate but we picked someone because they were a celebrity. It’s f’n nuts.

Abortion helped motivate depressed democrats but oh well. Helping limit baby murder is worth the extra hassle. I’m sure some folks wish we wouldn’t talk about guns but I’m not giving up that either. That being said, it’s been a rallying cry for the Moloch worshippers.

But it didn't even do that. They just need to get it done in a different state. So in the end it rallys them and costs us. It's not even like guns where a CA resident can't buy one out of state or bring it back home.

100% of the Democratic narrative being unavoidable. It's not being a doomsday sayer like some think, it's recognizing the problems we need to think about IF we actually want to win something. I don't think anyone here is so stupid they aren't gonna vote because CNN predicts we can't win. Hell I want CNN and everyone else talking about how "it can't be done", that is how Trump beat Hillary in 2016. Dems thought they had it locked up and could stay home and smoke weed.

Also dead on about useless candidates being useless. But same party that ran McCain and Romney against Obama, even I didn't want to vote for McCain or Obama. The nicest thing about the 2016 election is it was the first time I actually voted FOR somebody.

titsonritz
08-27-22, 19:04
I support this message.

I liked Mark Robinson the first time I heard him speak at the Greensboro City Council, his "I am the majority" speech. He calls it like it is.

The Dumb Gun Collector
08-27-22, 23:51
But it didn't even do that. They just need to get it done in a different state. So in the end it rallys them and costs us. It's not even like guns where a CA resident can't buy one out of state or bring it back home.

I doubt there will be as many babies aborted from red states. Sure, some women will take Vegas vacations where they will suck the brains out of their babies during the day and play the slots in the evening, but a significant number of abortions are performed on middle class and lower babies. Not all of them have the resources to exterminate their children. I am sure the Bruen decision helped fire up some liberals as well--and probably helped motivate the Biden administration to be even more aggressive towards guns, but IDGAF. We vote for who we do with certain goals in mind. Overturning Roe was something I never thought I would see, and I am glad they did it.


lso dead on about useless candidates being useless. But same party that ran McCain and Romney against Obama, even I didn't want to vote for McCain or Obama. The nicest thing about the 2016 election is it was the first time I actually voted FOR somebody.

I'm going to be honest, I thought Trump was a clown in 2016, and didn't think much more of him in 2020 (although I still voted for him..and will vote for Walker here in GA). But Oz and Walker make Trump, Mccain and Romney looks Like Washington, Adams and Jefferson.

SteyrAUG
08-28-22, 01:31
I doubt there will be as many babies aborted from red states. Sure, some women will take Vegas vacations where they will suck the brains out of their babies during the day and play the slots in the evening, but a significant number of abortions are performed on middle class and lower babies. Not all of them have the resources to exterminate their children. I am sure the Bruen decision helped fire up some liberals as well--and probably helped motivate the Biden administration to be even more aggressive towards guns, but IDGAF. We vote for who we do with certain goals in mind. Overturning Roe was something I never thought I would see, and I am glad they did it.

As much as abortion is included on every health care plan, if a girl doesn't have the money to fly to vegas, she doesn't have to money to carry a kid to term. Abortions are basically FREE, pre natal care has a co pay. As for the rest, I really don't want to start a debate. It is just one I think they are gonna play against us even though we didn't gain much.

It's a lot like that AW ban Clinton got. He "thought" he got rid of scary black guns, instead ARs came with loud ass brakes vs. flash hiders, non collapsible stocks and no bayo lug and as a consequence of 922(r) saying what you cannot do, people discovered that if you build US receivers and compliance parts you can build your own stuff and the parts kits revolution was born. There were more AKs, Uzis and FALs than ever before.




I'm going to be honest, I thought Trump was a clown in 2016, and didn't think much more of him in 2020 (although I still voted for him..and will vote for Walker here in GA). But Oz and Walker make Trump, Mccain and Romney looks Like Washington, Adams and Jefferson.

I never thought Trump was Reagan 2.0, but I cheerfully voted FOR Trump rather than just as a Hillary block. My only hopes were that he'd give us some decent SCOTUS judges (and he did) and that he'd drive the left "slit your wrist" crazy (and he did).

ChattanoogaPhil
08-28-22, 09:50
Walker doesn't need to be another Adams or Jefferson, and certainly not a GOP backstabbing tool for the left like McCain and Romney. Walker Simply needs to be a reliable vote in the US Senate.

SteyrAUG
08-28-22, 15:44
Walker doesn't need to be another Adams or Jefferson, and certainly not a GOP backstabbing tool for the left like McCain and Romney. Walker Simply needs to be a reliable vote in the US Senate.

But in order for that to happen, he needs to win.

PatrioticDisorder
08-29-22, 12:22
Don’t underestimate the effect of poor Republican messaging on the “student loan forgivensss” issue as well. Younger people were being red pilled, boomer aged Republicans getting on TV saying “pay back your debt” isn’t exactly reading the room. Everyone knows the student loan system is broken, most people want fairness. A better message would be, “we need higher education reform and a plan to allow student loan borrowers to pay back what was borrowed.”

Telling millennial/Gen Z And soon to be Gen A aged people to “pay back your debt” when they were told as adolescents “you have to go to college” is super tone deaf. Student loans have like 8.5% interest rate, most accrue interest from the day they are taken out and the interest compounds, only death or disability removes the burden. I’d argue the 1,200% inflation rate over the past 40 years and exponential growth and the number of people on SSDI are not only correlated, there is likely a cause and effect relationship there. Imagine borrowing 40k because you are told you need to with your immature not fully developed brain and because of compounding interest it’s not 100k+ with 8.5% interest. Not only are those people never going to pay the debt back, it will cause many to simply give up.

This isn’t just a problem among green haired gender studies graduates (or drop outs) working as baristas. As an example,
There are physicians completing residency training with 600-700k in student loans and 8.5% interest working in primary care. For every sub specialist killing it there are probably at least 2-3 new physicians in the above situation. They will never pay that loan back in it’s entirety, yet they pay a ton in taxes, work their asses of, provide a major need in the economy and will end up paying far more than what they actually borrowed.

My higher education reform proposals:

1. Tie tuition at universities receiving student loans to the rate of inflation, if they increase the price beyond that, no student loans for that school.

2. Tie receiving student loans to students attaining a reasonable level of academic performance (3.0, 3.5, that can be debated), order standardized testing if you have to, to ensure competence is being attained.

3. Only give student loans for degrees they will allow for skills and knowledge needed in the economy (you can use BLS data, whatever, there has to be a metric). No loans for gender studies, but nursing, engineering, accounting, etc are good to go.

4. Cut the fat out of higher education. Why did I need to take sociology to hear about how horrible white men are for an entire semester. That course (among others) has been completely useless for me in my professional capacity. Cutting fat would help eliminate indoctrination and would ruin the careers of the indoctrinators.

5. Cap student loan interest rates at something far more reasonable than 8.5%, something close to the historical rate of inflation.

6. Put every single borrower on the Public Service Loan Forgiveness program or a modified program. Be it 10 or 15 year repayment, cap out what you pay based on income (you can debate the details, 10-15%, whatever); this way far less people simply give up in life and the economy.

When we look back at this election cycle if Republicans get cooked, this student loan issue and “poor messaging” will play a key role. This was a once in a lifetime opportunity to flip younger voters red, but I believe it’s been completely squandered.

glocktogo
08-29-22, 13:58
Don’t underestimate the effect of poor Republican messaging on the “student loan forgivensss” issue as well. Younger people were being red pilled, boomer aged Republicans getting on TV saying “pay back your debt” isn’t exactly reading the room. Everyone knows the student loan system is broken, most people want fairness. A better message would be, “we need higher education reform and a plan to allow student loan borrowers to pay back what was borrowed.”

Telling millennial/Gen Z And soon to be Gen A aged people to “pay back your debt” when they were told as adolescents “you have to go to college” is super tone deaf. Student loans have like 8.5% interest rate, most accrue interest from the day they are taken out and the interest compounds, only death or disability removes the burden. I’d argue the 1,200% inflation rate over the past 40 years and exponential growth and the number of people on SSDI are not only correlated, there is likely a cause and effect relationship there. Imagine borrowing 40k because you are told you need to with your immature not fully developed brain and because of compounding interest it’s not 100k+ with 8.5% interest. Not only are those people never going to pay the debt back, it will cause many to simply give up.

This isn’t just a problem among green haired gender studies graduates (or drop outs) working as baristas. As an example,
There are physicians completing residency training with 600-700k in student loans and 8.5% interest working in primary care. For every sub specialist killing it there are probably at least 2-3 new physicians in the above situation. They will never pay that loan back in it’s entirety, yet they pay a ton in taxes, work their asses of, provide a major need in the economy and will end up paying far more than what they actually borrowed.

My higher education reform proposals:

1. Tie tuition at universities receiving student loans to the rate of inflation, if they increase the price beyond that, no student loans for that school.

2. Tie receiving student loans to students attaining a reasonable level of academic performance (3.0, 3.5, that can be debated), order standardized testing if you have to, to ensure competence is being attained.

3. Only give student loans for degrees they will allow for skills and knowledge needed in the economy (you can use BLS data, whatever, there has to be a metric). No loans for gender studies, but nursing, engineering, accounting, etc are good to go.

4. Cut the fat out of higher education. Why did I need to take sociology to hear about how horrible white men are for an entire semester. That course (among others) has been completely useless for me in my professional capacity. Cutting fat would help eliminate indoctrination and would ruin the careers of the indoctrinators.

5. Cap student loan interest rates at something far more reasonable than 8.5%, something close to the historical rate of inflation.

6. Put every single borrower on the Public Service Loan Forgiveness program or a modified program. Be it 10 or 15 year repayment, cap out what you pay based on income (you can debate the details, 10-15%, whatever); this way far less people simply give up in life and the economy.

When we look back at this election cycle if Republicans get cooked, this student loan issue and “poor messaging” will play a key role. This was a once in a lifetime opportunity to flip younger voters red, but I believe it’s been completely squandered.

This is what I don't get. Republicans should be attacking the liberal colleges which have obscenely raised the cost of a college education over the last 40 years. Instead of complaining that it isn't fair to forgive some student debt (it isn't), they need to be calling out the university cash cow racket for financially raping their students.

ABNAK
08-29-22, 15:10
My higher education reform proposals:

1. Tie tuition at universities receiving student loans to the rate of inflation, if they increase the price beyond that, no student loans for that school.

2. Tie receiving student loans to students attaining a reasonable level of academic performance (3.0, 3.5, that can be debated), order standardized testing if you have to, to ensure competence is being attained.

3. Only give student loans for degrees they will allow for skills and knowledge needed in the economy (you can use BLS data, whatever, there has to be a metric). No loans for gender studies, but nursing, engineering, accounting, etc are good to go.

4. Cut the fat out of higher education. Why did I need to take sociology to hear about how horrible white men are for an entire semester. That course (among others) has been completely useless for me in my professional capacity. Cutting fat would help eliminate indoctrination and would ruin the careers of the indoctrinators.

5. Cap student loan interest rates at something far more reasonable than 8.5%, something close to the historical rate of inflation.

6. Put every single borrower on the Public Service Loan Forgiveness program or a modified program. Be it 10 or 15 year repayment, cap out what you pay based on income (you can debate the details, 10-15%, whatever); this way far less people simply give up in life and the economy.

When we look back at this election cycle if Republicans get cooked, this student loan issue and “poor messaging” will play a key role. This was a once in a lifetime opportunity to flip younger voters red, but I believe it’s been completely squandered.

Add in one more: student loans are no longer under the control of the Federal government. Make it private loans like it used to be.

Sorry, but there HAS to be an element of "pay back your debts" instilled and enforced. I have ZERO sympathy for someone with a loser-ass degree, or a generic one like Business. STEM or trades, i.e. a real freaking skill that can make you a useful member of society is what needs to be encouraged. Your plan doesn't sound bad (if you add in my suggestion about de-Federalizing the process) but yes, those "Boomers" are right about paying your debts.

tn1911
08-29-22, 16:54
This is what I don't get. Republicans should be attacking the liberal colleges which have obscenely raised the cost of a college education over the last 40 years. Instead of complaining that it isn't fair to forgive some student debt (it isn't), they need to be calling out the university cash cow racket for financially raping their students.

I’m starting year two of my masters and it’s obscene the amount of money out there you can get for certain degree fields. It requires a bit of work on your part and yes even work itself such as teaching assistantships.

These kids working at Starbucks holding a four year degree in WTF.... are the ones carrying medical school levels of debt and crying about it.

Yes sweetheart you’ll never make enough to pay off your $325,000 four year degree from GW in mid 17th century Baroque architecture history. You’re gonna be sucking sallie Mae’s schlong forever trying to repay that mistake.

ABNAK
08-29-22, 17:52
I’m starting year two of my masters and it’s obscene the amount of money out there you can get for certain degree fields. It requires a bit of work on your part and yes even work itself such as teaching assistantships.

These kids working at Starbucks holding a four year degree in WTF.... are the ones carrying medical school levels of debt and crying about it.

Yes sweetheart you’ll never make enough to pay off your $325,000 four year degree from GW in mid 17th century Baroque architecture history. You’re gonna be sucking sallie Mae’s schlong forever trying to repay that mistake.

"Oh I don't want to do THAT to make a living". I suspect that "follow your dream" bullshit they were fed doesn't add up to actually paying your friggin' bills. No sympathy whatsoever. I have been in the medical field for 32 years. I don't really like it. I don't watch medical shows, or read medical articles. It is a JOB, that's all. Not my life's calling. I am good at it (being a little OC helps), but it's certainly not a life's dedication type of thing. I flip a switch when I go home each day and enjoy my non-work life. I have no interest in overtime whatsoever, never have. That said, it has paid mine and my wife's bills quite well for over 3 decades. The last 2.5 years since the ChiCom virus has made me relish my rapidly approaching (although not fast enough!) retirement that much more. Suck it up buttercup, sometimes ya gotta do what pays the bills.

When I hear of these young dolts and their pie-in-the-sky lofty dreams I just shake my head. Rarely does someone get to do for a successful and realistic living (residing in Mom's basement while following your dreams doesn't count) what they actually enjoy as a hobby. The VAST majority of us working schleps just have to deal with it as we pay our bills, buy our house, vehicles, toys, take vacations, etc. It's the way life has been for eons. Deal with it.

I may just sound like a burned-out old fvck yelling at clouds.....but I am also not asking for anyone else to pay off my douche degree.

Dan_B
08-29-22, 19:59
I’m starting year two of my masters and it’s obscene the amount of money out there you can get for certain degree fields. It requires a bit of work on your part and yes even work itself such as teaching assistantships.

These kids working at Starbucks holding a four year degree in WTF.... are the ones carrying medical school levels of debt and crying about it.

Yes sweetheart you’ll never make enough to pay off your $325,000 four year degree from GW in mid 17th century Baroque architecture history. You’re gonna be sucking sallie Mae’s schlong forever trying to repay that mistake.

Amazing what supply and demand can do…

Folks on my teams can pay what they borrowed with a couple of stock grants. Maybe slightly more post Powell’s nice wrt intent speech. LinkedIn has tons of open good paying jobs for the people who can get them done well.

ChattanoogaPhil
08-30-22, 16:58
"NEW POLL: Herschel Walker Pulls Ahead of Raphael Warnock in Georgia Senate Race"
- 3h ago.

https://www.msn.com

titsonritz
08-30-22, 18:20
"NEW POLL: Herschel Walker Pulls Ahead of Raphael Warnock in Georgia Senate Race"
- 3h ago.

https://www.msn.com

Going in the right direction.

SteyrAUG
08-30-22, 18:44
I’m starting year two of my masters and it’s obscene the amount of money out there you can get for certain degree fields. It requires a bit of work on your part and yes even work itself such as teaching assistantships.

These kids working at Starbucks holding a four year degree in WTF.... are the ones carrying medical school levels of debt and crying about it.

Yes sweetheart you’ll never make enough to pay off your $325,000 four year degree from GW in mid 17th century Baroque architecture history. You’re gonna be sucking sallie Mae’s schlong forever trying to repay that mistake.

Cars are the other one. People used to get 2 year loans, now a lot of places are offering 8 and 10 year loans.

So young adults end up with something close to two mortgages (student loans and cars) and will never be able to actually buy a house and that is why they are still living with their parents. Seriously bad financial decisions. I never had a new car in my 20s, but I know a lot of people in their 20s today who just bought a new car, but they still live with mom and dad.

yoni
08-30-22, 19:58
I was lucky I paid cash for a 911 SC in my 20's. Thanks to SWAT over time and being in the special ops office when we were notified that a federal grant was going to pay for 8 new police cars and all the salaries for the deputies assigned to the new DUI special unit. We became the highest paid employees by the county due to court OT. I walked into the Porsche dealership in Seattle and they didn't pay attention to me, I got pissed and drove to one just outside Seattle and asked them if they could get the black 911SC off the showroom in Seattle. I then had them call the credit union to verify funds and wrote them a check for the car.

When I went back to Israel to take a shot at the unit I wanted to be in, I sold the car. After I made it through selection, I used the money from selling the 911SC to pay cash for my land and starter home. Today that 30k investment is worth a ton of money, which makes me laugh that the Porsche I bought from OT made me over $1.5 million in profit. But it is going to the kids when I take my dirt nap, actually we built houses on the land for all the kids, so it is worth a lot more than $1.5 but the other houses belong to the kids.

G-D bless CAPITALISM. Socialism and communism suck and anyone pushing it need to be shot in the face until grey matter is on the ground.

drsal
08-30-22, 20:35
I was lucky I paid cash for a 911 SC in my 20's. Thanks to SWAT over time and being in the special ops office when we were notified that a federal grant was going to pay for 8 new police cars and all the salaries for the deputies assigned to the new DUI special unit. We became the highest paid employees by the county due to court OT. I walked into the Porsche dealership in Seattle and they didn't pay attention to me, I got pissed and drove to one just outside Seattle and asked them if they could get the black 911SC off the showroom in Seattle. I then had them call the credit union to verify funds and wrote them a check for the car.

When I went back to Israel to take a shot at the unit I wanted to be in, I sold the car. After I made it through selection, I used the money from selling the 911SC to pay cash for my land and starter home. Today that 30k investment is worth a ton of money, which makes me laugh that the Porsche I bought from OT made me over $1.5 million in profit. But it is going to the kids when I take my dirt nap, actually we built houses on the land for all the kids, so it is worth a lot more than $1.5 but the other houses belong to the kids.

G-D bless CAPITALISM. Socialism and communism suck and anyone pushing it need to be shot in the face until grey matter is on the ground.

Curious comment regarding Porsche. Last year I sold a 1988 911 convertible (21k miles) for 200K, should have waited as it went up approx 50-75k in the past year. No matter.

Dan_B
08-30-22, 21:05
I was lucky I paid cash for a 911 SC in my 20's. Thanks to SWAT over time and being in the special ops office when we were notified that a federal grant was going to pay for 8 new police cars and all the salaries for the deputies assigned to the new DUI special unit. We became the highest paid employees by the county due to court OT. I walked into the Porsche dealership in Seattle and they didn't pay attention to me, I got pissed and drove to one just outside Seattle and asked them if they could get the black 911SC off the showroom in Seattle. I then had them call the credit union to verify funds and wrote them a check for the car.

When I went back to Israel to take a shot at the unit I wanted to be in, I sold the car. After I made it through selection, I used the money from selling the 911SC to pay cash for my land and starter home. Today that 30k investment is worth a ton of money, which makes me laugh that the Porsche I bought from OT made me over $1.5 million in profit. But it is going to the kids when I take my dirt nap, actually we built houses on the land for all the kids, so it is worth a lot more than $1.5 but the other houses belong to the kids.

G-D bless CAPITALISM. Socialism and communism suck and anyone pushing it need to be shot in the face until grey matter is on the ground.

Amen and awesome story. The kids owe you big time.

Dan_B
08-30-22, 21:12
Cars are the other one. People used to get 2 year loans, now a lot of places are offering 8 and 10 year loans.

So young adults end up with something close to two mortgages (student loans and cars) and will never be able to actually buy a house and that is why they are still living with their parents. Seriously bad financial decisions. I never had a new car in my 20s, but I know a lot of people in their 20s today who just bought a new car, but they still live with mom and dad.

Decision have consequences. Wealth redistribution may get votes, but it’s damn wrong, despite being supported by both parties.

SteyrAUG
08-30-22, 21:33
Decision have consequences. Wealth redistribution may get votes, but it’s damn wrong, despite being supported by both parties.

Don't wait for an argument from me.

I always tell people I can finance a Ferrari but I can't afford a Ferrari, I can always tell who is who, by who actually understands my statement.

FromMyColdDeadHand
08-31-22, 07:33
The GOP peaked too early. When it was last summer and they were talking about how certain issues would drive the election… I know that those issue will probably play out.

That and the DNC/MSM will continue to run a new issue every 7-10 days to keep people minds off how bad things are.

Bad GOP candidates??? Maybe, but like Warnock and that Lurch in PA are dream candidates…

Todd.K
08-31-22, 21:46
Student loan fairness is easy.

If you take out a loan, you pay your loan off. It’s your loan, not my loan. KEEP YOUR ****ING HAND OUT OF MY ****ING POCKET.

The second order consequences of “debt forgiveness” are just absolutely terrible, but I doubt most people with student loan debt even know what that means.

And it’s even dumber to think that there is a giant untapped bloc who will vote GOP if only we were nicer to them about their bad financial choices. The vast, vast majority of those people are going to vote D, that’s why the democrats are paying them off.

AKDoug
09-01-22, 10:27
The Alaskan ranked choice voting system just resulted in a democrat replacing Don Young as our Congressman. The explanation is simply too long for me to type, but you can read all about it in several articles if you are interested. Bottom line, if ranked choice voting comes to your state, fight it with everything you have.

Disciple
09-01-22, 13:01
Please cite one of the articles you agree with. I don't trust any vote result at this point, but in theory I think a ranked choice vote can be better. I don't know the details of the Alaskan system however and there are many ways it could be biased.

Artos
09-01-22, 16:08
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/08/breaking-democrat-peltola-defeats-republican-sarah-palin-alaska-special-election-first-democrat-win-50-years-thanks-rank-choice-voting-mail-ballots/

I haven't really looked into it, but it's being repeated on SM that 60% of the people voted red yet blue won.

Disciple
09-01-22, 16:29
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/08/breaking-democrat-peltola-defeats-republican-sarah-palin-alaska-special-election-first-democrat-win-50-years-thanks-rank-choice-voting-mail-ballots/

I haven't really looked into it, but it's being repeated on SM that 60% of the people voted red yet blue won.

The key takeaway I get from that is "We warned about this back in May! Alaska moved to mail-in voting. And at the same time, they dropped signature verification on ballots." Like I said I don't trust any result at this point, especially mail-in systems.

However with regard to ranked choice voting and AKDoug's plea to "fight it with everything you have" I don't see the problem, unless it makes it easier to falsify votes in a way I do not understand. If we hold our nose and choose to believe the result as reported by WaPo, then over half of the Begich supporters would rather have Peltola than Palin, either by explicit second choice or implicitly by refusing to mark Palin as the second choice.

https://i.ibb.co/hXf96fk/Alaska-voting.png

FromMyColdDeadHand
09-01-22, 16:37
Ranked choice voting should work to keep our crazies on the extremes, unless a majority want the crazy. I don't know enough about the race and I've heard Palin isn't as popular as you'd think she is.

Also, that vote total is misleading, correct? That is the total as they go down the list, right? I'd rather see something like the GA system where you have to get a plurality in actual, not 'composite' races. I think that rank-stank voting hides what the actual choices from people, because of the rank order.

And frankly, I think you should be able to dead-head your vote- I only want my vote counted for this person. From what I understand, the rank order voting makes you vote 'for' all the candidates- that is a real problem for a lot of people- and I wonder how many never got submitted...

Imagine having to put a check next to Chucky Schumer's name, even if he is your last choice. I'd write my own name in before I put a check next to his last name.

And mail in ballots with out signature is CHEATING. There is no other way to put it.

Disciple
09-01-22, 17:06
And frankly, I think you should be able to dead-head your vote- I only want my vote counted for this person. From what I understand, the rank order voting makes you vote 'for' all the candidates-

I believe that the "11,222 exhausted votes" in the graphic are exactly this option you seek. https://www.elections.alaska.gov/RCV.php

.45fan
09-01-22, 17:17
It looks to me, that type of voting keeps trash like murkowski in office. And if I'm not mistaken will give an empty seat to dumbocrats because the right is too effin stupid to pick ONE candidate and go that route.

Disciple
09-01-22, 17:30
And if I'm not mistaken will give an empty seat to dumbocrats because the right is too effin stupid to pick ONE candidate and go that route.

Actually I think this is a correction of the spoiler problem. Instead of being told you have to back candidate X because candidate Y is unelectable you can freely vote your conscience for Y but also vote for X as second choice so your vote is not wasted.

.45fan
09-01-22, 17:47
Actually I think this is a correction of the spoiler problem. Instead of being told you have to back candidate X because candidate Y is unelectable you can freely vote your conscience for Y but also vote for X as second choice so your vote is not wasted.That's about as clear as mud.
I see there is an empty seat due to death, but the voting shows the highest number going to a dumbocrat due to people on the right not sticking together and voting for candidates X, Y, Z.

Biggy
09-01-22, 18:42
Just more fake news.

flenna
09-01-22, 18:43
All the Republicans would have to do to sweep the House and Senate is to channel Ronald Reagan and put on every billboard, every television ad, every tweet, every FB post “Are you better off today than you were two years ago?”. But they are too stupid and, I’m convinced, are more comfortable being the minority party. It’s much better for fundraising that way.

Disciple
09-01-22, 20:01
That's about as clear as mud.
I see there is an empty seat due to death, but the voting shows the highest number going to a dumbocrat due to people on the right not sticking together and voting for candidates X, Y, Z.

Tell me what you find poorly articulated. If we take the vote count as factual, and "over half of the Begich supporters would rather have Peltola than Palin" as I observe, this is more than merely not sticking together, it's hostility or ambivalence to one's supposed constituents. A different ballot would not make these people embrace Palin.

If however the right actually did "stick together" meaning that they would prefer any R over any D the ranked choice vote would work in their favor. All the Begich supporters would have put Palin as their second choice, none of their votes would have been wasted, and Palin would have won with 59.8%.

.45fan
09-01-22, 20:32
Tell me what you find poorly articulated. If we take the vote count as factual, and "over half of the Begich supporters would rather have Peltola than Palin" as I observe, this is more than merely not sticking together, it's hostility or ambivalence to one's supposed constituents. A different ballot would not make these people embrace Palin.

If however the right actually did "stick together" meaning that they would prefer any R over any D the ranked choice vote would work in their favor. All the Begich supporters would have put Palin as their second choice, none of their votes would have been wasted, and Palin would have won with 59.8%.

I didn't mean you articulated anything wrong, its just so different than I have ever seen, it is literally as clear as mud.

Where I am, the highest number of votes wins. That is why I said the dumbocrat would have got the empty seat and the two R candidates would be losers.

To be clear I'm not for one candidate over the other, I just don't understand the procedures they are using.

AKDoug
09-01-22, 20:52
The key takeaway I get from that is "We warned about this back in May! Alaska moved to mail-in voting. And at the same time, they dropped signature verification on ballots." Like I said I don't trust any result at this point, especially mail-in systems.

However with regard to ranked choice voting and AKDoug's plea to "fight it with everything you have" I don't see the problem, unless it makes it easier to falsify votes in a way I do not understand. If we hold our nose and choose to believe the result as reported by WaPo, then over half of the Begich supporters would rather have Peltola than Palin, either by explicit second choice or implicitly by refusing to mark Palin as the second choice.
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With a traditional primary system we would have had a Republican vs. the Democrat and it's highly likely the Republican would have won. Sarah is definitely not popular for two main reasons; 1) her governorship was a train wreck, then she quit two years in and 2) she's been primarily an Arizona resident for the last decade or so. Begich can't escape his last name being associated with a largely Democrat family heavily involved in politics in Alaska.

Ranked choice voting is also saving Murkowski. She doesn't have the support of Alaskan Republicans and she'd likely would have lost in a traditional primary. However, if the system hadn't gone to ranked choice, she'd have likely changed her affiliation to Independent and been on the ballot anyway.

The ranked choice campaign a couple years ago was funny as hell. Their #1 ad campaigned said that ranked choice voting would remove the influence of "dark money" in campaigns, yet 90% of the campaign funds for ranked choice came from out of state and much of it was "dark money."

Buncheong
09-02-22, 04:00
I suspect the Democrats will do fairly well in November. How many laws will they have to break to get there? How much fraud will they have to engage in, in order to get there? Dunno.

But I tend to think they will do pretty well.

AKDoug
09-03-22, 00:14
I suspect the Democrats will do fairly well in November. How many laws will they have to break to get there? How much fraud will they have to engage in, in order to get there? Dunno.

But I tend to think they will do pretty well. They are going to do well. Their portrayal of anyone right of Mitch McConnel as a right wing crazy is starting to gain traction with the middle of the road people that decide most of the elections.

prepare
09-03-22, 05:10
Dark times are ahead. And not just a metaphorical dark period. The left is on a path of destruction that will have real consequences. Food shortages, energy shortages, travel restrictions, economic collapse, supply chain disruptions, bureaucratic government medical system, and digital tyranny just to name a few…

utahjeepr
09-03-22, 19:38
Part of the problem I think is that a lot of Republicans LIKE being the minority party.

It's the ultimate do-nothing job. Prestige of office, access to the various money pots, and all ya gotta do is talk crap about what you would be doing IF you were the majority. Hence why they can't get their shit together in times they actually are the majority. They don't know what to do other than talk smack and coast.

WillBrink
09-05-22, 07:35
Tangential from Carlson:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFczkAlwxQk

lowprone
09-06-22, 18:20
The Republicans left me long ago, at some point I will register as independent .

Diamondback
09-06-22, 18:47
I'm gonna put down a marker on WA-SEN for all to see right now.

News reports are saying that Tiffany Smiley is closing in and within tossup distance of Patty Bin Murray. With how finely tuned the Seattle Cheat Machine is, the ONLY way Murray loses is if that Machine decides it's time to Pawn Sacrifice her and set the stage for Pramila Jayapal Maka Dhingra or Kshama Sawant, three certified Raving Psychotic Extreme Leftists who would drive Josef Stalin into joining the GOP.

I HOPE Smiley wins, but knowing this state it's either Murray for six more years or one or the other of the Insane Indian Triplets in six years.