UPS has changed its policy in regards to shipping "firearm products"

[TexHill]

https://www.ups.com/us/en/support/shipping-support/shipping-special-care-regulated-items/prohibited-items/firearms.page

From the above link: "UPS accepts packages containing firearms (as defined by Title 18, Chapter 44, and Title 26, Chapter 53 of the United States Code) and firearm parts that do not constitute firearms as defined by federal law (together, “Firearm Products”) for shipment only as a contractual service and only from Shippers who are licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, or licensed collectors (as defined in Title 18, Chapter 44 of the United States Code) to authorized recipients, as outlined in the approved UPS agreement for the transportation of Firearm Products.

To receive service for packages containing Firearm Products, the Shipper must enter into an approved UPS agreement for the transportation of Firearm Products."

This is a big change. Previously, an individual could sell a gun to a person in another state and ship it to that person's desired FFL with having to get an FFL involved on the shipping side.

[WickedWillis]

https://www.ups.com/us/en/support/shipping-support/shipping-special-care-regulated-items/prohibited-items/firearms.page

From the above link: "UPS accepts packages containing firearms (as defined by Title 18, Chapter 44, and Title 26, Chapter 53 of the United States Code) and firearm parts that do not constitute firearms as defined by federal law (together, “Firearm Products”) for shipment only as a contractual service and only from Shippers who are licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, or licensed collectors (as defined in Title 18, Chapter 44 of the United States Code) to authorized recipients, as outlined in the approved UPS agreement for the transportation of Firearm Products.

To receive service for packages containing Firearm Products, the Shipper must enter into an approved UPS agreement for the transportation of Firearm Products."

This is a big change. Previously, an individual could sell a gun to a person in another state and ship it to that person's desired FFL with having to get an FFL involved on the shipping side.

UPS hasn't done this for years. I have been denied shipment several times at my local UPS facility trying to ship as an individual, even though their site says otherwise.

Also until January 2022 Fedex would ship them for you from an individual to an FFL or manufacturer. So now it's almost exclusively having an FFL ship for you which has been a pain in my area.

[Screwball]

Question… is there any verbiage about licensees shipping “appropriate” firearms?

Ask because I have a FFL-03, making me a licensed collector. Does that give me a blank check to ship firearms out? Or is there a registration system in place, like what was said for FedEx?

I’m going to the range tomorrow with my threaded Ruger MK3 upper, to confirm I don’t have any keyholing issues with common loads (and to try it with my Rugged Oculus). After that, I’m shipping it to CCR for refinishing. My local UPS hub would ship handguns Ground if I didn’t tell them they have to go Air. I doubt they will give me crap… but would be issues if they “disposed” of a declared firearm.

[Artos]

Went down to the hub & they told me as of Monday they no longer receive any firearms or parts over the counter even from dealers when I showed my ffl...had to track down my driver & hand it off to him.

I can't imagine the shit show going on...clown show.

[john armond]

Went down to the hub & they told me as of Monday they no longer receive any firearms or parts over the counter even from dealers when I showed my ffl...had to track down my driver & hand it off to him.

I can't imagine the shit show going on...clown show.

So, we aren't going to accept anything firearm related in the brick and mortar store, where it is in a more controlled environment, but you can hand it off to one of our drivers that frequently leaves his vehicle parked on the side of the road, unsecured, as he walks to make deliveries?

Makes perfect sense.

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/ups-driver-kidnapped-robbed-in-nw-atlanta

https://www.newsweek.com/ups-driver-kidnapped-tied-thieves-steal-packages-delivery-truck-police-1663820

https://www.foxnews.com/us/3-san-jose-ups-drivers-robbed-by-2-armed-suspects-in-separate-incidents

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/fbi-investigating-armed-robberies-of-fedex-ups-trucks-in-dc-area/2483359/

I understand that all packages end up on a truck of some kind, but I would think limiting exposure as much as possible would be beneficial to UPS.

[rocsteady]

So, we aren't going to accept anything firearm related in the brick and mortar store, where it is in a more controlled environment, but you can hand it off to one of our drivers that frequently leaves his vehicle parked on the side of the road, unsecured, as he walks to make deliveries?

Makes perfect sense.

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/ups-driver-kidnapped-robbed-in-nw-atlanta

https://www.newsweek.com/ups-driver-kidnapped-tied-thieves-steal-packages-delivery-truck-police-1663820

https://www.foxnews.com/us/3-san-jose-ups-drivers-robbed-by-2-armed-suspects-in-separate-incidents

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/fbi-investigating-armed-robberies-of-fedex-ups-trucks-in-dc-area/2483359/

I understand that all packages end up on a truck of some kind, but I would think limiting exposure as much as possible would be beneficial to UPS.

There you go, thinking again.

[Pachucko]

So, we aren't going to accept anything firearm related in the brick and mortar store, where it is in a more controlled environment, but you can hand it off to one of our drivers that frequently leaves his vehicle parked on the side of the road, unsecured, as he walks to make deliveries?

Makes perfect sense.

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/ups-driver-kidnapped-robbed-in-nw-atlanta

https://www.newsweek.com/ups-driver-kidnapped-tied-thieves-steal-packages-delivery-truck-police-1663820

https://www.foxnews.com/us/3-san-jose-ups-drivers-robbed-by-2-armed-suspects-in-separate-incidents

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/fbi-investigating-armed-robberies-of-fedex-ups-trucks-in-dc-area/2483359/

I understand that all packages end up on a truck of some kind, but I would think limiting exposure as much as possible would be beneficial to UPS.

I thought they trust the drivers more than the store employees for some reason.

I UPS’d a few high value coins a year or so back and had to do the same thing (track down a driver).


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[Buncheong]

I have never told UPS the absolute truth about what’s in the box.

“What’s inside?” the nice Burmese man would ask. “Vintage machine parts,” I would say, and that’s what he put in the computer.

Never had a problem in 24 years.

[HCrum87hc]

I have never told UPS the absolute truth about what’s in the box.

“What’s inside?” the nice Burmese man would ask. “Vintage machine parts,” I would say, and that’s what he put in the computer.

Never had a problem in 24 years.

This. I always prepackage and prelabel my items. I've never been asked what's in the box. If I were to be asked, it'd be something along the lines of machine parts or tools.

[TexHill]

So, we aren't going to accept anything firearm related in the brick and mortar store, where it is in a more controlled environment, but you can hand it off to one of our drivers that frequently leaves his vehicle parked on the side of the road, unsecured, as he walks to make deliveries?

Makes perfect sense.

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/ups-driver-kidnapped-robbed-in-nw-atlanta

https://www.newsweek.com/ups-driver-kidnapped-tied-thieves-steal-packages-delivery-truck-police-1663820

https://www.foxnews.com/us/3-san-jose-ups-drivers-robbed-by-2-armed-suspects-in-separate-incidents

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/fbi-investigating-armed-robberies-of-fedex-ups-trucks-in-dc-area/2483359/

I understand that all packages end up on a truck of some kind, but I would think limiting exposure as much as possible would be beneficial to UPS.

UPS stores are independent franchises and have never accepted firearms. The hub/distribution centers are wholly owned by UPS and have always accepted firearms shipments in the past without requiring an FFL or a contract with UPS. This has changed with the new policy.

[Artos]

This. I always prepackage and prelabel my items. I've never been asked what's in the box. If I were to be asked, it'd be something along the lines of machine parts or tools.

99%+ of the time your package will get to it's destination...that small chance of it getting lost or more likely damaged & those high dollar parts aren't gonna be covered by ins. Just saying.

[Buncheong]

UPS insurance never pays, anyway. “Parcel improperly packed by sender,” etc. is what they will say. My classmate’s business sees it all the time and once I fully understood the scam, I stopped paying for insurance.

USPS likewise: they won’t pay.

Stop buying insurance - you’re throwing money away.

[Artos]

I've had both UPS & USPS pay for damages / loss over the years...just takes a while. Most all my shipments are consignments so the customer pays & being an FFL, I give detailed descriptions when buying / printing the labels.

You do you...

[chadbag]

Seeing as "Firearm Products", those they've defined as not being "firearms" as defined by US Title, don't have a definition of " licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, or licensed collectors", how does on become such a thing in order to be able to ship "gun parts"? There is no licensing of any of that for such parts.

[chadbag]

I've had UPS pay insurance. When I was actively in business, I had a guy order a DD upper I had in stock, and an Aimpoint. He specifically requested UPS (I normally was using Fedex Ground) and to send it COD. As I'd not had problems with any of that in the past I did so. I tracked it up until the final station, where it disappeared. I tried to get a hole of the customer and he never would reply or get back to me or call me back.

The stuff was evidently stolen on an inside job. Guy knew exactly what to look for and have it disappear off the belt.

I reported it to UPS and told them my suspicions of it being an inside job. They just asked me for the invoice and proof of the value I was claiming on insurance and paid it. Never did hear if they tried to follow up and see what happened.

[OhThatGuy]

That sucks. None of my local dealers will do outbound transfers.

[davidjinks]

I have never told UPS the absolute truth about what’s in the box.

“What’s inside?” the nice Burmese man would ask. “Vintage machine parts,” I would say, and that’s what he put in the computer.

Never had a problem in 24 years.

I try to come up with items that make them scratch their heads. I sent a package to RAW to have an upper built. I made 2 white labels on my printer that said “Cooling Vents”. When I got to the main shipping store the dude asked what that was. I told him I’m a machinist who is contracted by the government to make computer parts.

EDITED TO ADD: I have also found that if you insure your package for the max allotted insurance by UPS, there never seems to be a problem.

[TexHill]

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[WillBrink]

Explained by Armed Attorney's YT page, a great channel to watch, and one of them is very easy on the eyes to boot:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17TRO52zChM

[henri]

I've sent a few telescopes with fragile lenses via ups over the years, next day or 2day is the safest way to ship, a bit more expensive but worth it.