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Stopsign32v
10-03-22, 21:53
Gotta be reliable, 9mm or bigger, hold 15rd or more, and priced at or less than $350. Cheaper the better but has to go bang each time. Needing a dedicated glove box gun that if got stolen wouldn't be the end of the world. I don't own any sub $500 pistols so I don't know much about "budget" pistols.
I did get to looking at the FXS-9 and I must say it looks great, seems reliable, and accurate enough. Really think the manual safety is pretty dumb though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf-FH5K6IlU&t=528s
birdkiller
10-03-22, 22:26
The smith SD9VE is generally available in your budget. It has a proven track record of reliability, and a reasonable amount of parts available. It would be my #1 choice in a budget gun.
Second, as the glove box is frequently check when vehicles are burged, and easily broken open, if you actually mean a glove box, please consider other options. The majority of firearms used in street-level crime are stolen. I’d rather not impart the personal/civil/moral liability of having my gun stolen.
Lock boxes that are quick access and secured to the seat rails of a vehicle should at least significantly slow down unwanted access.
Police trade in, Glock .40 or M&P first gen tend to be the cheapest.
Look no further than Canik.
The Dumb Gun Collector
10-03-22, 23:20
Beretta APX. CHEAP AF, at least as good or better than any (Glock, CZ, etc). Fully supported by the oldest gun manufacturer on earth. They are around here for the mid $300s.
titsonritz
10-03-22, 23:34
Beretta APX. CHEAP AF, at least as good or better than any (Glock, CZ, etc). Fully supported by the oldest gun manufacturer on earth. They are around here for the mid $300s.
Closer to $200 if you do it right. Definitely THE sleeper pistol.
You're welcome...
https://rapid-rebates.com/apxa1carry
IMHO, the Stoeger STR 9mm checks a lot of boxes and is hard to beat at it’s price point.
everready73
10-04-22, 10:00
You can pick up a PSA Dagger (glock clone) for $299. The one i have has been gtg for 1k rounds. Lots of feedback online
Compatible with glock gen 3 parts. You can get the RMR slide version as low as $299 on sale as well
Canik and Berretta APX are 2 other good choices
Stoeger STR 9mm
In my opinion, this is the best deal going right now. It's $200 + sales tax (if applicable) delivered. It's basically a Glock clone with metal magazines. I've purchased this and the compact version. The quality appears to be on par with an actual Glock.
https://botach.com/stoeger-str-9-9mm-pistol/
Stoeger STR vs the PSA Dagger
https://youtu.be/PczHFrS1PiE
I'll add that the newer production STR-9's don't have that billboard model name on the side of the slide. Mine, which came from Botach, has the model number engraved smaller and black. It's tastefully discrete.
Does the Stoeger accept any Glock parts?
Also, mags are pretty pricey...$33 or so.
Stopsign32v
10-04-22, 19:27
The Stoeger looks like a clear winner for me. I'm curious about the optics ready version (if it ever comes down in price) but I also wonder how battery life for a red dot would be in a glove box that sees 110 degrees down to 30 degrees temp.
P2Vaircrewman
10-05-22, 09:18
I have a ton of Glock mags, not using Glock mags would be a deal breaker for the Stoeger.
Gary1911A1
10-06-22, 08:58
You can pick up a PSA Dagger (glock clone) for $299. The one i have has been gtg for 1k rounds. Lots of feedback online
Compatible with glock gen 3 parts. You can get the RMR slide version as low as $299 on sale as well
Canik and Berretta APX are 2 other good choices
I also agree. Mine only has about 400 rounds through it. I like the grip shape and even the S&W style trigger better than the Glock. That safety lever on the Glock Trigger feels like a dull knife on my finger after 100 rounds. I am a little concern if the slide is from China to keep the price low and therefore will be made of soft steel, but so far no abnormal signs of wear. Several models to choose from: https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-dagger/handguns.html
Used M&P would be my choice there. Most people put few rnds through their pistols, most are barely broken in as used. Personally, for that $, I'd opt for a used vetted legacy brand such as M&P, Glock, etc over anything new for that $.
everready73
10-06-22, 09:58
I also agree. Mine only has about 400 rounds through it. I like the grip shape and even the S&W style trigger better than the Glock. That safety lever on the Glock Trigger feels like a dull knife on my finger after 100 rounds. I am a little concern if the slide is from China to keep the price low and therefore will be made of soft steel, but so far no abnormal signs of wear. Several models to choose from: https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-dagger/handguns.html
I was told American steel.
Gary1911A1
10-07-22, 10:02
I was told American steel.
Thanks!
308TRUMPFTW
10-07-22, 15:58
I bought a taurus g3c for that. Was 229 shipped. There are lots of options out there right now for "cheap" 9mms.
I bought a taurus g3c for that. Was 229 shipped. There are lots of options out there right now for "cheap" 9mms.My brother has a g2 that triples. Are the g3 a better pistol?
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Stopsign32v
10-07-22, 19:47
Held and dry fired a few today.
1) PSA Dagger
Absolutely nothing special about it. Didn't like the way the grip felt. The trigger was the worst out of all of them, reminded me of a terrible Glock trigger. Oddly I didn't notice the hinge trigger. Optic ready will be a huge point towards it though.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/yfEzDGFgFmY/maxresdefault.jpg
2) Stoeger str 9
Pointed better than the Dagger but was nothing special. Trigger was slightly better but again, nothing special at all.
https://cdn-bjekh.nitrocdn.com/fBAuxVeMPubiNczggfkZcthToPByJOXU/assets/static/optimized/rev-59d27d9/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/image1-2.jpg
3) FXS-9
Pointed pretty good for me but also has different backstraps. TRIGGER IS AMAZING! I'm a trigger snob and holy crap I've never felt a trigger this good in a sub $700 gun, it's that good. Love everything about it except no optics cut and a manual safety is a pretty big negative for me.
https://www.tactical-life.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2021/11/american-tactical-fxs-9-01.jpg
4) Canik
Had a good trigger but honestly wasn't as good as the FXS-9. Nothing special but I liked it. I think it had the highest capacity magazine but could be wrong.
https://images.guns.com/prod/2022/06/02/62993f4143a32dba2f79b9665fdd445c0fbcf5702b986.jpg?imwidth=600
Adrenaline_6
10-07-22, 20:43
The SAR9 is a good option. Comfortable, reliable, and cheap. It's looks like HK and Glock had a baby. My brother has one. He's shot it a bunch....Zero failures so far. I have shot it myself. Good ergos...decent trigger...recoil is mild...goes bang every time.
He picked it up on a sale for $249 ($30 mfr rebate).
Stopsign32v
10-07-22, 20:55
The SAR9 is a good option. Comfortable, reliable, and cheap. It's looks like HK and Glock had a baby. My brother has one. He's shot it a bunch....Zero failures so far. I have shot it myself. Good ergos...decent trigger...recoil is mild...goes bang every time.
He picked it up on a sale for $249 ($30 mfr rebate).
Doesn't look bad. Will have to look into it.
Right now (and I don't like them) the PSA Dagger is winning. Glock type trigger modifications and optic ready. Optic ready for me is HUGE! I want to convert all of my pistols to red dot.
308TRUMPFTW
10-07-22, 21:07
My brother has a g2 that triples.
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That sounds kinda fun.
Mine have been fine. No issues.
Oh another current "cheap" one is the girsan 92 copy. I think they make a hipower copy, a beretta 380 copy and a few 1911 as well.
Adrenaline_6
10-07-22, 21:20
Doesn't look bad. Will have to look into it.
Right now (and I don't like them) the PSA Dagger is winning. Glock type trigger modifications and optic ready. Optic ready for me is HUGE! I want to convert all of my pistols to red dot.
Understood. SAR9 has an optic ready Mete version WITH a red dot (albeit its a Riton) for $349 at Kentucky Gun Company. It WAS on sale for $279..but they went lightning fast and are out of stock at the moment. They have a notify when back in stock feature though and it seems the $349 price will stay although unsure if this model will restock or if its being replaced by their optic ready rmr pattern model.
Colors too.
Tan:
https://www.kygunco.com/product/sar-usa-sar9metesablrd-sar9-mete-9mm-safari-blk-17
OD:
https://www.kygunco.com/product/sar-usa-sar9meteodblrd-sar9-mete-9mm-od-green-blk-17
That sounds kinda fun.
Mine have been fine. No issues.
Oh another current "cheap" one is the girsan 92 copy. I think they make a hipower copy, a beretta 380 copy and a few 1911 as well.
I have a Girsan Regard and it has been just as flawlessly reliable as my Beretta 92. One big plus is the Girsan uses cheap and plentiful 92 FS mags. I am a huge fan of the $23 CDNN bulk 18rd MecGar mags https://www.cdnnsports.com/beretta-92f-18rd-9mm-magazine-bulk-packaged.html
Andy
Doesn't look bad. Will have to look into it.
Right now (and I don't like them) the PSA Dagger is winning. Glock type trigger modifications and optic ready. Optic ready for me is HUGE! I want to convert all of my pistols to red dot.
Curious why you want to save a few hundred on a handgun yet are willing to spend more than that on a red dot?
Stoeger STR vs the PSA Dagger
https://youtu.be/PczHFrS1PiE
Stopsign32v
10-09-22, 14:41
Curious why you want to save a few hundred on a handgun yet are willing to spend more than that on a red dot?
Who said I was willing to spend a few hundred dollars on a red dot? You said that, not me.
https://palmettostatearmory.com/holosun-3moa-shake-awake-red-dot-pistol-sight-hs407a.html?utm_medium=email&utm_source=daily_deals&utm_campaign=20221009&utm_term=afternoon $169 from PSA and in person they have a deal going with a Dagger and 407 which is even cheaper.
For me, I would be looking at either the Beretta APX or the IWI Masada….
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titsonritz
10-09-22, 15:52
1) PSA Dagger
Absolutely nothing special about it. Didn't like the way the grip felt. The trigger was the worst out of all of them, reminded me of a terrible Glock trigger.
2) Stoeger str 9
Pointed better than the Dagger but was nothing special. Trigger was slightly better but again, nothing special at all.
4) Canik
Nothing special but I liked it.
Looking for something dirt cheap you're probably going to find nothing special.
Stopsign32v
10-09-22, 16:19
IWI Masada….
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Held it and dry fired it there but opted to not include it in this list. Pistol is absolutely terrible (for me at least). Nothing at all I liked about it and the guy behind the counter agreed with me. I think it held 18? But I loved the look of it but did not like holding it sadly. I really wanted to like the Masada! If it had felt half decent I would be going that route.
I might look at it once more another day before purchasing.
Stopsign32v
10-09-22, 16:32
Looking for something dirt cheap you're probably going to find nothing special.
True, good point. But I will say all were decent and at the end of the day would be just fine.
Beretta APX for $375.
https://www.armsunlimited.com/Beretta-APX-A1-9mm-Pistol-p/jaxf921a1.htm?CartID=1
I have an IWI Masada. It’s a good striker fired pistol that is on par with the Glocks. A bonus is that it’s provisioned for optic mounts. I wouldn’t say that it out performs the Stoeger STR-9 though.
titsonritz
10-11-22, 11:56
Beretta APX for $375.
https://www.armsunlimited.com/Beretta-APX-A1-9mm-Pistol-p/jaxf921a1.htm?CartID=1
I've seen the APX as low a $329 and with the $100 rebate, make it pretty cheap for a solid pistol. Something to keep in mind, however, if you want an optic cut...the APX has a void in the slide that must be weld filled prior to the cut, this increases cost and lead time.
I've seen the APX as low a $329 and with the $100 rebate, make it pretty cheap for a solid pistol. Something to keep in mind, however, if you want an optic cut...the APX has a void in the slide that must be weld filled prior to the cut, this increases cost and lead time.That would be a deal. Guessing those days are past us.
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I've seen the APX as low a $329 and with the $100 rebate, make it pretty cheap for a solid pistol. Something to keep in mind, however, if you want an optic cut...the APX has a void in the slide that must be weld filled prior to the cut, this increases cost and lead time.
The APX-A1 in the link is the new OR version. Beretta should’ve named it something different than APX! I had to do a double take when I asked the guy behind the counter to hand me one and saw the price.
OutofBatt3ry
10-11-22, 21:13
"budget" guns are weird.
Glocks are $500 give or take. To be that broke, where the difference of $200-300 may be life changing, opens my eyes to how the majority(51%+) of people are literally poor in the States. I understand, but it's kind of sad.
That's true. At the same time, it's kind of hard to justify paying $500 for a Glock when a pistol of comparable quality can literally be purchased for $200. Yes, I own Glocks and the STR-9 is every bit as good. I'll assume that Glock gets the edge from a customer service and parts availability standpoint, but that's not worth 2.5 times the price. Sometimes you get what you pay for, but sometimes you just pay more.
P2Vaircrewman
10-11-22, 21:57
Broke or just fugal. It’s sort of how I view tools. If I figure I might only use it one or two times I’ll buy Harbor Freight. If it is a daily or weekly user I buy good quality.
Used M&P would be my choice there. Most people put few rnds through their pistols, most are barely broken in as used. Personally, for that $, I'd opt for a used vetted legacy brand such as M&P, Glock, etc over anything new for that $.
Great advice IMHO. You can buy most used firearms that are barely broken in, rifles even more so.
PB
308TRUMPFTW
10-18-22, 09:54
So did OP actually buy something?
Gotta be reliable, 9mm or bigger, hold 15rd or more, and priced at or less than $350. Cheaper the better but has to go bang each time. Needing a dedicated glove box gun that if got stolen wouldn't be the end of the world. I don't own any sub $500 pistols so I don't know much about "budget" pistols.
I did get to looking at the FXS-9 and I must say it looks great, seems reliable, and accurate enough. Really think the manual safety is pretty dumb though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf-FH5K6IlU&t=528s
That's easy. Hi-Point
Found this deal today.
Pretty dang cheap at $190 for an XD clone.
https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/products2.cfm/ID/286588
Found this deal today.
Pretty dang cheap at $190 for an XD clone.
https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/products2.cfm/ID/286588
I would not trust my life to an XD much less an XD clone.
Found this deal today.
Pretty dang cheap at $190 for an XD clone.
https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/products2.cfm/ID/286588
I have one on the way. I'll provide a range report.
I have one on the way. I'll provide a range report.
Thrash that thing and lets us know. Crazy cheap gun would be fun to torture and just see how it holds up, Im jelly!
PB
I would not trust my life to an XD much less an XD clone.That's your choice. Did you have an xd and experienced a failure?
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That's your choice. Did you have an xd and experienced a failure?
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I used to own four Springfield XD's and have been happy with them. To be honest, the only reason I started to get rid of them was because the constant hate. Peer pressure I guess?
But there has never been anyone that provided first hand proof as to why they are so 'terrible.' Still waiting.
That's your choice. Did you have an xd and experienced a failure?
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When they were new, buddy got one. We took it to the range, and a retention pin walked it's way out, fell out, and stopped working. It was so bad, after market companies started offering thicker retention pins. The location of the retention pin was fail, and there's a reason they're not used but rarely by major PDs, SMEs, etc. They were simply poorly designed and made guns, period. Now, maybe they have made improvements over the years, I can't say, don't care. An M&P, Glock, HK is a no brainer over an XD for me all day and day, much less a clone. Your mileage may differ.
This guy found the gun works with broken pin. Our experience was different...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY3GggOCP68
I used to own four Springfield XD's and have been happy with them. To be honest, the only reason I started to get rid of them was because the constant hate. Peer pressure I guess?
But there has never been anyone that provided first hand proof as to why they are so 'terrible.' Still waiting.
Not the worst gun one can buy, but there's better choices similar $. If they were considerably less $ than a M&P, Glock, HK, then perhaps a consideration.
And FYI, S&W SD9 VE is their budget minded high cap gun with an MSRP just above $300, seen it in local shops for under $300. It's something better then the old Sigma (which was still a very reliable pistol BTW) not as good as the M&P. For that $, an excellent choice for a budget minded polymer high cap pistol. Used I bet close to $200 ish.
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/gun-review-smith-wesson-sd9-ve/
I used to own four Springfield XD's and have been happy with them. To be honest, the only reason I started to get rid of them was because the constant hate. Peer pressure I guess?
But there has never been anyone that provided first hand proof as to why they are so 'terrible.' Still waiting.
Same here. The reason for my migration from an XDM .40 to the G19 was primarily fueled by the hate from this site and others, the endless shit I took from my friends while taking classes, and the simple fact the G19 carries so much better.
To date I have had one single failure with my XDM .40 in nearly 10,000 rounds. Most of these rounds were fired with a Powder River Precision trigger and roll pin installed. 1,500 of those rounds were fired in two RedBack One classes, and one Frank Proctor class. (Much to Jason Falla's disappointment he awarded me a patch for having the highest level of accuracy in one of the pistol classes.) The rest of those rounds were fired primarily in action pistol leagues, and shooting steel challenge leagues. All these rounds were fired outdoors, on a very dirty gravel and sand range. That one failure, noted earlier, was not on a stock part. The overtravel pad on my Powder River trigger was set too tight and it failed on one shot in very cold weather. A quick pass with the file on my Gerber multi-tool solved the issue and it has never occurred again.
That said, my journey with Glock 19's has been stellar as well, and I trust them completely. The XDM is my nightstand gun, and still shoots steel in the summer.
I know it's a Taurus, but the TH9 can often be found sub-$300 and I've seen generally positive reviews so far. Not a lot of promotion since Taurus seems to be focusing on their G3/G4 series.
Sometimes you have to ask the question. What is your life worth?
My answer is a hell of a lot more than some of the garbage tossed out in this thread.
Sometimes you have to ask the question. What is your life worth?
My answer is a hell of a lot more than some of the garbage tossed out in this thread.
Kinda my feelings- “dirt cheap” and “self defense gun” don’t belong in the same sentence. If you look around you can find used G17s in the under $400 range.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/958103221
Kinda my feelings- “dirt cheap” and “self defense gun” don’t belong in the same sentence. If you look around you can find used G17s in the under $400 range.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/958103221
Hence my advice before, if you're really pressed for $, a used pistol from vetted companies and designs is the obvious choice. While it's a clunker, S&W SD9 VE is very reliable and tad under $300 new.
SD9VE “feels” like crap, both grip and trigger, but it works. I sold mine because I got another PPQ, and I decided having a “throwaway” was sorta silly.
I wouldn’t hesitate to get another SD9VE if stretched for cash. That’s what a friend got.
TheGhostRider
12-20-22, 18:06
Sometimes you have to ask the question. What is your life worth?
My answer is a hell of a lot more than some of the garbage tossed out in this thread.
This right here! 💯
My “budget” guns are Glock’s. My “glove box” gun… G 26.5 with G19 mags and x-grips.
Kept in a bolted down pistol safe… Not in the glove box.
My hip gun… G19 or one of my HK’s.
When it needs to go bang… I don’t want too worry if it actually will.
308TRUMPFTW
12-22-22, 16:34
So how does the peanut gallery feel about S&W shields? I have had a single stack shield for quite awhile and was thinking about replacing it with the newer version that holds 10-12.
I wouldn't put the S&W Shield in the dirt cheap full size semiauto. They're neither dirt cheap nor full size. That said, I carried one for a while and still have it. A Walther PPS M2 replaced it as my daily carry gun. I like the grip feel and trigger of the Walther better. They're both reliable, so no worries in that department.
So how does the peanut gallery feel about S&W shields? I have had a single stack shield for quite awhile and was thinking about replacing it with the newer version that holds 10-12.
Not dirt cheap....Generally well regarded. I have one as my hot weather pistol/need for max discretion pistol that still holds 9mm. The gen2 has a much better trigger, but added Apex trigger still best. I'd say keep that, and get a M&P for a higher cap pistol if you want stay with S&W.
308TRUMPFTW
12-22-22, 16:59
I wouldn't put the S&W Shield in the dirt cheap full size semiauto. They're neither dirt cheap nor full size. That said, I carried one for a while and still have it. A Walther PPS M2 replaced it as my daily carry gun. I like the grip feel and trigger of the Walther better. They're both reliable, so no worries in that department.
I was thinking about it because a local store has the plus models in 9mm for 399. My regular shield 9mm has always shot well just thought the 13rd capacity would be nice to have. That's the same as my browning hipower.
Another to consider that's similar in size to the Shield Plus is the IWI Masada Slim. It holds 13rds of 9mm as well. It's new to the market, so there are not many reports out yet.
https://iwi.us/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/unnamed.jpg
That's true. At the same time, it's kind of hard to justify paying $500 for a Glock when a pistol of comparable quality can literally be purchased for $200. Yes, I own Glocks and the STR-9 is every bit as good. I'll assume that Glock gets the edge from a customer service and parts availability standpoint, but that's not worth 2.5 times the price. Sometimes you get what you pay for, but sometimes you just pay more.
I don't think anything listed so far is comparable to a Glock.
I understand the philosophy of having a sacrificial firearm to leave in a vehicle, but if I even think for a second I might have to defend my life with it, I go back to dependable guns. I understand some folks also can't afford $1500 handguns, but I can't wrap my head around going lower than $500 on a G19. It's like putting a gun in a sock and then in your pocket because decent CCW holsters are $100.
I carry a Walther PPS M2 or a G19. Both have proven to be 100% reliable. I won't substitute the STR-9 because there's no possibility of improvement. That said, I think the STR-9 is absolutely comparable to a Glock. What else would you compare it to besides the gun that it's most like? The question is how close the STR-9 is to the Glock. If it's reliable (so far yes, but we have a long way to go to prove that), then the only advantage the Glock offers is customer service and aftermarket support (parts, holsters, etc.). Is that worth 2 1/4 times the price of the STR-9? If you're a person who shoots regularly and likes to modify your gun, then it might be. If you're a person who is on a limited budget who doesn't shoot that much, then it is one of the best bang for the buck purchases that you can make.
I think that what we're seeing right now regarding Turkish firearms is a market anomaly. Turkey has 1st world manufacturing and a 3rd world currency. The Turkish Lira is worth just over 1/5 what it was just five years ago when compared to the dollar. The market will ultimately adjust. Meanwhile, there's nothing wrong with taking advantage of this purchasing opportunity. How many people would make different purchasing decisions if they could redo the '80's?
So how does the peanut gallery feel about S&W shields? I have had a single stack shield for quite awhile and was thinking about replacing it with the newer version that holds 10-12.
The added capacity would be a no-brainer for me. My concealed carry went from a single stack XDS (7+1 I believe) to an XD Mod 2 Subcompact (13+1) to a Hellcat Pro.
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I think that what we're seeing right now regarding Turkish firearms is a market anomaly. Turkey has 1st world manufacturing and a 3rd world currency. The Turkish Lira is worth just over 1/5 what it was just five years ago when compared to the dollar. The market will ultimately adjust. Meanwhile, there's nothing wrong with taking advantage of this purchasing opportunity. How many people would make different purchasing decisions if they could redo the '80's?
I'll be the first to say, I absolutely love my Canik Elite Combat. I got pretty excited when they released their Elite Subcompact to the US market, but I did not buy one. I love their handguns.
I carry a Walther PPS M2 or a G19. Both have proven to be 100% reliable. I won't substitute the STR-9 because there's no possibility of improvement. That said, I think the STR-9 is absolutely comparable to a Glock. What else would you compare it to besides the gun that it's most like? The question is how close the STR-9 is to the Glock. If it's reliable (so far yes, but we have a long way to go to prove that), then the only advantage the Glock offers is customer service and aftermarket support (parts, holsters, etc.). Is that worth 2 1/4 times the price of the STR-9? If you're a person who shoots regularly and likes to modify your gun, then it might be. If you're a person who is on a limited budget who doesn't shoot that much, then it is one of the best bang for the buck purchases that you can make.
I think that what we're seeing right now regarding Turkish firearms is a market anomaly. Turkey has 1st world manufacturing and a 3rd world currency. The Turkish Lira is worth just over 1/5 what it was just five years ago when compared to the dollar. The market will ultimately adjust. Meanwhile, there's nothing wrong with taking advantage of this purchasing opportunity. How many people would make different purchasing decisions if they could redo the '80's?
I really don't know chit about Turkish designed and made pistols. Are they any good?
Designed and made are two different things. Most Turkish guns sold on the US market are not original designs, but clones of other designs. Sometimes parts interchange and sometimes they don't. Based on what I've purchased, their clones are every bit as good as the originals from a quality and reliability standpoint. Yes, they have some cheaply made guns just like we do in the US, but that's the exception and not the rule.
Heck, when you stick the top half of a Glock onto the bottom half of an HK, you get a surprisingly decent handgun:
https://www.sarsilmaz.com/en/product/sar-9
308TRUMPFTW
12-23-22, 19:17
Designed and made are two different things. Most Turkish guns sold on the US market are not original designs, but clones of other designs. Sometimes parts interchange and sometimes they don't. Based on what I've purchased, their clones are every bit as good as the originals from a quality and reliability standpoint. Yes, they have some cheaply made guns just like we do in the US, but that's the exception and not the rule.
The 1911s are pretty good IMHO.
I understand the philosophy of having a sacrificial firearm to leave in a vehicle, but if I even think for a second I might have to defend my life with it, I go back to dependable guns. I understand some folks also can't afford $1500 handguns, but I can't wrap my head around going lower than $500 on a G19. It's like putting a gun in a sock and then in your pocket because decent CCW holsters are $100.
This to a T.
It's not really a full-size pistol, but I bought this Bersa BP9CC for $200. After shipping and transfer, the total cost was right at $250. Reviews online have been good, so we'll see. It's a nice bonus that it came with a threaded barrel. Two magazines were included. It was made in Argentina.
https://i.postimg.cc/7PQgxDsf/Bersa-BP9-CC-right-view.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/7hc7XMGg/Bersa-BP9-CC-left-view.jpg
The AimSurplus LE Trade-ins fit this subject perfectly. Got a G22 delivered for $330.
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Amchar guns in McDonough ga has Glock 17 gen 4 for $349 and they ship.
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One gun that has been getting surprisingly good reviews (for a Taurus) is the TS9. I've seen them in the $250 range online. I'm not sure I buy into the "government contract overrun, so get them now" hype but it would seem to be a good buy. On the negative side, this gun has little to no performance history (Philippine contract notwithstanding) and no optics cut, which nowadays is a deal breaker for some folks.
https://www.taurususa.com/pistols/taurus-ts9/taurus-ts9-lugar-matte-black-9mm-full-size-17-rds
I'd be curious about the specifics of this test:
https://i.imgur.com/pTvnI7W.jpg
Adrenaline_6
05-28-24, 10:14
Heck, when you stick the top half of a Glock onto the bottom half of an HK, you get a surprisingly decent handgun:
https://www.sarsilmaz.com/en/product/sar-9
I have shot this and it is a surprisingly good pistol.
https://i.imgur.com/pTvnI7W.jpg
That's no big deal. I shot a full box of 50rds through my pistol this weekend. BTW, what's up with the decimal places? :p
That's no big deal. I shot a full box of 50rds through my pistol this weekend. BTW, what's up with the decimal places? :p
Maybe they really mean a 20 shot endurance test. :D
That's no big deal. I shot a full box of 50rds through my pistol this weekend. BTW, what's up with the decimal places? :p
English uses commas, some other languages use decimals.
You know you're American when you don't know basic foreigner stuff. :blink: :laugh: (laughing with you)
Maybe they really mean a 20 shot endurance test. :D
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That's probably the truth!
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20 rounds! That must have been a ringer! No way it was a random, off the shelf pistol. 20 rounds....yea, right.
Note that the poster doesn't even say how the pistol did. There could have been 1.000 failures for all we know.
From a 2019 TFB article:
"The acquisition of 10,000 9x19mm Taurus Striker TS-9 pistols by the PNP – Philippine National Police has finally been confirmed by the Brazilian manufacturer, with deliveries in three batches: 2,000 units in 2018 and the remaining 8,000 examples in 2019. The testing protocol made and carried out by PNP at the manufacturer’s industrial facilities in São Leopoldo, Rio Grande do Sul State, was as follows:
Two hundred pistols were randomly chosen from each batch, and two of them submitted to the test program, including metrology, trigger pull weight, drops, and shots fired after exposed to mud, sand, and water. That was followed by 20,000 shots being fired, after which the particular batch was approved."
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/03/28/taurus-striker-ts-9-pistols-ordered-by-pnp/
It still doesn't indicate how many failures the pistols experienced.
I wouldn't say that the PNP going from IMI to Taurus was an improvement, though the price was almost certainly less.
https://i.postimg.cc/XYGy610M/Jericho-941-F-PNP.jpg
(You can see the PNP engraving on the slide and frame of this used IMI Jericho that I have.)
I'd take a moderately used IMI over a new Taurus.
Guns for poor people (and countries) who may or may not know what they're getting or a toy for the person with better guns to count on.
They'd be better off making and issuing something like a Star model B 9x19 or blow-back 7.65 mm.
I'd rather have a less-capable but high quality/ reliable / durable gun than one that checks boxes but isn't as quality.
BuzzinSATX
05-30-24, 19:31
The AimSurplus LE Trade-ins fit this subject perfectly. Got a G22 delivered for $330.
This is so true…LE trade in Glocks and S&W’s are the epitome of a low cost but totally worth it gun!
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The TS9 may turn out to be one of those "here today, discontinued tomorrow" guns, but feedback so far seems to be almost universally positive. Supposedly Taurus hired a designer named Wilhelm Bubits to design (or help design) this gun.
BuzzinSATX
05-30-24, 21:31
English uses commas, some other languages use decimals.
You know you're American when you don't know basic foreigner stuff. :blink: :laugh: (laughing with you)
You know you’re an American when you…
Don’t have a passport
Don’t speak two or more languages
Don’t know that football is played with a round ball
And…
Don’t GAF about your three limitations listed above.
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It's not really a full-size pistol (in width it is, but not in length and height), but Bereli has the Beretta APX A1 Compact for $299 + tax with free shipping. Beretta currently has a $100 rebate on it, so your net cost is a little over $200. That's hard to beat.
robbins290
06-06-24, 12:05
This is so true…LE trade in Glocks and S&W’s are the epitome of a low cost but totally worth it gun!
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That's how I got my first glock. Was on a budget and bought it from a department. Had nothing but milsurps and a POS ruger p95 at the time. WHAT AN UPGRADE.
Would recomend a LEO trade in over any taurus or ruger.
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