View Full Version : CBP awards rifle contract to Geissele
https://www.highergov.com/idv/70B06C22D00000020/
Five year contract appears to include mostly parts but also complete rifles. SBR, standard carbines and also some type of DMR option.
DMR doesn't really make much sense without some "better" ammo to go with it. 62 grain ETSP and TBBC are fine but some type of 75-77 match bullet would seem to be a better choice for that stuff.
Anyway, this appears to be the next iteration of the upper and parts contract previously awarded to BCM.
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Interesting.
I wonder if BCM’s thermal fit + red locktite + over torque every single fastener had anything to do with that short-lived contract…
Interesting.
I wonder if BCM’s thermal fit + red locktite + over torque every single fastener had anything to do with that short-lived contract…I don't think it was short lived. I think it was a five year as many of these seem to be.
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Does that contract include the cost of having to fix all the defective chambers and gas ports on geissele's barrels?
geissele super duty fails to eject, fails to lock bolt back (https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/geissele-quality-control-a-lack-thereof.7134569/post-10374591)
four geissele barrels fail to extract part 1 (https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/Geissele-CHF-Barrel-Range-Report/12-774180/)
four geissele barrels fail to extract part 2 (https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/-/12-774180/?r=-1&page=1#i8459142)
Having to Mortar brand new 11.5 URGI part 1 (https://www.ar15.com/forums/Industry/Having-to-Mortar-brand-new-11-5-URGI/444-301864/)
having to mortar brand new 11.5" URGI part 2 (https://www.ar15.com/forums/Industry/Having-to-Mortar-brand-new-11-5-URGI/444-301864/?page=1#i4085812)
geissele 16" barrel short-stroking (https://www.ar15.com/forums/Industry/Set-up-for-16-SD-/444-302255/)
problem with yet another geissele 16" super duty (https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/geissele-quality-control-a-lack-thereof.7134569/post-10374872)
geissele super duty won't reliably chamber rounds (https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/Fixed-Amazing-results-Got-a-new-rifle-won-t-reliably-chamber-my-handloads-/42-536024/)
geissele barrel won't cycle reliably part 1 (https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/Geissele-16-CHF-Barrel-A-Quick-Look/12-772048/?page=2#i8432394)
geissele barrel won't cycle reliably part 2 (https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/Geissele-16-CHF-Barrel-A-Quick-Look/12-772048/?page=5#i8445934)
geissele 11.5" won't cycle reliably without a suppressor (https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/Geissele-16-CHF-Barrel-A-Quick-Look/12-772048/?page=4#i8439246)
geissele gas port size issue (https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/Geissele-16-CHF-Barrel-A-Quick-Look/12-772048/?page=4#i8440938)
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Does that contract include the cost of having to fix all the defective chambers and gas ports on geissele's barrels?
geissele super duty fails to eject, fails to lock bolt back (https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/geissele-quality-control-a-lack-thereof.7134569/post-10374591)
four geissele barrels fail to extract part 1 (https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/Geissele-CHF-Barrel-Range-Report/12-774180/)
four geissele barrels fail to extract part 2 (https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/-/12-774180/?r=-1&page=1#i8459142)
Having to Mortar brand new 11.5 URGI part 1 (https://www.ar15.com/forums/Industry/Having-to-Mortar-brand-new-11-5-URGI/444-301864/)
having to mortar brand new 11.5" URGI part 2 (https://www.ar15.com/forums/Industry/Having-to-Mortar-brand-new-11-5-URGI/444-301864/?page=1#i4085812)
geissele 16" barrel short-stroking (https://www.ar15.com/forums/Industry/Set-up-for-16-SD-/444-302255/)
problem with yet another geissele 16" super duty (https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/geissele-quality-control-a-lack-thereof.7134569/post-10374872)
geissele super duty won't reliably chamber rounds (https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/Fixed-Amazing-results-Got-a-new-rifle-won-t-reliably-chamber-my-handloads-/42-536024/)
geissele barrel won't cycle reliably part 1 (https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/Geissele-16-CHF-Barrel-A-Quick-Look/12-772048/?page=2#i8432394)
geissele barrel won't cycle reliably part 2 (https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/Geissele-16-CHF-Barrel-A-Quick-Look/12-772048/?page=5#i8445934)
geissele 11.5" won't cycle reliably without a suppressor (https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/Geissele-16-CHF-Barrel-A-Quick-Look/12-772048/?page=4#i8439246)
geissele gas port size issue (https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/Geissele-16-CHF-Barrel-A-Quick-Look/12-772048/?page=4#i8440938)
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More lol.
I can confirm the Geissele barrel problems are real.
But they’re mid-length, or even longer so that negate those other minor details.
I thought the CBP was just a travel agency now?
I wonder if BCM’s thermal fit + red locktite + over torque every single fastener had anything to do with that short-lived contract…
Where does BCM use red loctite?
Where does BCM use red loctite?
Gas block screws and sometimes barrel nut.
Interesting.
I wonder if BCM’s thermal fit + red locktite + over torque every single fastener had anything to do with that short-lived contract…
Have you never been involved in GOV firearm contracts or bids? Just curious, its not a good or bad thing either way.
Have you never been involved in GOV firearm contracts or bids? Just curious, its not a good or bad thing either way.
Firearms, nope. I have been involved with a few inspection contracts for military equipment.
Firearms, nope. I have been involved with a few inspection contracts for military equipment.
Thanks for the reply, for some reason I thought you had. There are a lot of reasons contracts switch hands, first and foremost is price.
Anyway, this appears to be the next iteration of the upper and parts contract previously awarded to BCM.
Wow. I didn't know BCM was doing that. Pretty cool.
Wow. I didn't know BCM was doing that. Pretty cool.
They got the US Marshalls contract a few years ago and then have slowly worked their way into the US State Department is my understanding.
https://www.highergov.com/awardee/bravo-company-usa-inc-10056976/
Unless you are the superduperhighspeedguys who can open purchase whateverdafukcyouwant, the #1 factor in most military contracts after minimal technical compliance is PRICE.
.GOV is CHEAP, they will spend hundreds of thousands of dollars in GS-drone contract specialist manhours making sure to save $0.01 on a contract. That is important work.
Yup, RHINO nailed it. Two companies with known good products with the ability to meet or exceed production requirements, and the answer is always going to be price.
Yeah but they get to speak to Bill. And who can put a price tag on that? :D
Yeah but they get to speak to Bill. And who can put a price tag on that? :D
Lol, yeah I'm sure.
I enjoy Geissele for what they started with - accessories. Triggers primarily, but also charging handles, rails, and optic mounts.
Like most companies that expand, there have been growing pains and that 'special touch' with the community they once had has been somewhat lost.
But unlike upset consumers, a company knows what makes them money and often a niche market is no longer worthwhile to pursue.
I know it started with the horrible Black Friday when cheep gun bubbas had to wait to get stuff at 50% off, then bendiboi rails on the 'gram. But I'm sure Geissele just threw in the towel and realized they'll never make the enraged interwebz happy and concentrated on growth and profitability. I mean who gives a fuk what a bunch of couch potatoes on the interwebz think? I certainly wouldn't give 2 fuks if I was Bill.
Lol, yeah I'm sure.
I enjoy Geissele for what they started with - accessories. Triggers primarily, but also charging handles, rails, and optic mounts.
Like most companies that expand, there have been growing pains and that 'special touch' with the community they once had has been somewhat lost.
But unlike upset consumers, a company knows what makes them money and often a niche market is no longer worthwhile to pursue.
I know it started with the horrible Black Friday when cheep gun bubbas had to wait to get stuff at 50% off, then bendiboi rails on the 'gram. But I'm sure Geissele just threw in the towel and realized they'll never make the enraged interwebz happy and concentrated on growth and profitability. I mean who gives a fuk what a bunch of couch potatoes on the interwebz think? I certainly wouldn't give 2 fuks if I was Bill.
I personally have no ax to grind with the G Men. I've got a few of their triggers and am perfectly happy with them. Being from the area, and knowing the Philly attitude that extends out to the surrounding areas where they are located, the temperament of the company is not something I am not used to. Read into that what you will :D
But I do disagree that abandoning the consumer market is a good strategy. Not unless you are talking DD DoD contract type volumes. And certainly not at the levels we are talking about with the CBP contract. If anything they should use that to bump their street cred and get more of the consumer market.
I don't think they 'abandoned' the consumer market, I just think they no longer play the 'forum' games.
The gun industry is brutal territory.
They got the US Marshalls contract a few years ago and then have slowly worked their way into the US State Department is my understanding.
https://www.highergov.com/awardee/bravo-company-usa-inc-10056976/
USMS SOG has been running Nordic Components blasters since 2018 or 2019. The contracts were through Lionheart Alliance.
I don't think they 'abandoned' the consumer market, I just think they no longer play the 'forum' games.ALG no longer making rails was a disappointing move.
Not seeing how that is related to forums.
May be a valid business decision though.
ALG no longer making rails was a disappointing move.
Not seeing how that is related to forums.
May be a valid business decision though.
As long as we are on that note, I could never figure out why they were diluting their own brand with the ALG rails. Then again, the money was all coming to the same place, so maybe it wasn't an issue.
As long as we are on that note, I could never figure out why they were diluting their own brand with the ALG rails. Then again, the money was all coming to the same place, so maybe it wasn't an issue.I saw the ALG rails as complementary to G rather than competitors. And they were still very high quality, just at a lower price point.
Been even buying used ones to have on hand as a decent basic tube handguard with the option to add rails where needed.
As long as we are on that note, I could never figure out why they were diluting their own brand with the ALG rails. Then again, the money was all coming to the same place, so maybe it wasn't an issue.
I thought they were starting a Woman owned business for contracting purposes, but maybe they decided it wasn't a move they needed to make or they put her on at the main company. No idea really.
Not seeing how that is related to forums.
I just think they realized that engaging with people on the forums often led to dealing with individuals who had an agenda and would never be 'happy'. "Oh I want to talk to Bill". Dude has a multimillion dollar company to run and his time is likely better spent on selling product than dealing with unhappy cloners and the like.
I saw the ALG rails as complementary to G rather than competitors. And they were still very high quality, just at a lower price point.
Been even buying used ones to have on hand as a decent basic tube handguard with the option to add rails where needed.
Same here. I just assumed it allowed the marketing of "value" items such as triggers and rails without diluting the main brand. I personally wish they were still cranking out ALG rails for people like me who want quality but don't plan on fast roping into a battle anytime soon.
Andy
USMS SOG has been running Nordic Components blasters since 2018 or 2019. The contracts were through Lionheart Alliance.
The guys who make the double barrel ARs and 3 gun shotgun components? I didn't know that they make any actual ARs.
I just think they realized that engaging with people on the forums often led to dealing with individuals who had an agenda and would never be 'happy'. "Oh I want to talk to Bill". Dude has a multimillion dollar company to run and his time is likely better spent on selling product than dealing with unhappy cloners and the like.Yep, though I think that's true doubly so for G in general.
They have a very big presence at things like the NRA convention, etc. Very consumer-oriented as their triggers are big money for them.
Probably 90% of their boost space oriented to triggers
I don't think they 'abandoned' the consumer market, I just think they no longer play the 'forum' games.
That I get. In general forums have turned into such a caustic environment that there really is little to be gained by using them to engage with the general public. Especially when users can hide behind screen names and talk crap just because.
The guys who make the double barrel ARs and 3 gun shotgun components? I didn't know that they make any actual ARs.
Yes. Nordic is a large precision machine shop and they make parts for several big names in the industry. Launched their own 556 / 762 guns in 2015 but some of their customers weren't happy about them entering the gun business. Now they only make Nordic branded blasters for law enforcement and some CONUS / OCONUS mil groups.
Nordic Comp Youtube (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCG9EwHIIC5nafBLO7LukkTg/videos)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wONV3Gw8sU
I don't think they 'abandoned' the consumer market, I just think they no longer play the 'forum' games.
They’re all over ARFCOM. I’ve talked to Bill through PM on there.
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call_me_ski
10-31-22, 21:39
They seem more selective in what then comments they engage in, even in their industry forum.
MadAngler1
11-04-22, 21:13
Does that contract include the cost of having to fix all the defective chambers and gas ports on geissele's barrels?
geissele super duty fails to eject, fails to lock bolt back (https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/geissele-quality-control-a-lack-thereof.7134569/post-10374591)
four geissele barrels fail to extract part 1 (https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/Geissele-CHF-Barrel-Range-Report/12-774180/)
four geissele barrels fail to extract part 2 (https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/-/12-774180/?r=-1&page=1#i8459142)
Having to Mortar brand new 11.5 URGI part 1 (https://www.ar15.com/forums/Industry/Having-to-Mortar-brand-new-11-5-URGI/444-301864/)
having to mortar brand new 11.5" URGI part 2 (https://www.ar15.com/forums/Industry/Having-to-Mortar-brand-new-11-5-URGI/444-301864/?page=1#i4085812)
geissele 16" barrel short-stroking (https://www.ar15.com/forums/Industry/Set-up-for-16-SD-/444-302255/)
problem with yet another geissele 16" super duty (https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/geissele-quality-control-a-lack-thereof.7134569/post-10374872)
geissele super duty won't reliably chamber rounds (https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/Fixed-Amazing-results-Got-a-new-rifle-won-t-reliably-chamber-my-handloads-/42-536024/)
geissele barrel won't cycle reliably part 1 (https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/Geissele-16-CHF-Barrel-A-Quick-Look/12-772048/?page=2#i8432394)
geissele barrel won't cycle reliably part 2 (https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/Geissele-16-CHF-Barrel-A-Quick-Look/12-772048/?page=5#i8445934)
geissele 11.5" won't cycle reliably without a suppressor (https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/Geissele-16-CHF-Barrel-A-Quick-Look/12-772048/?page=4#i8439246)
geissele gas port size issue (https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/Geissele-16-CHF-Barrel-A-Quick-Look/12-772048/?page=4#i8440938)
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I echo Molon’s concerns. Having said, I’ve been 100% happy with my Geissele 11.5” SBR. I run it suppressed all of the time and have had zero issues.
I own 3 Geissele’s (10.3”and 2 16”) and shoot them very regularly and have never had the slightest problem. I’m not discrediting the reports, only here to say that Geissele CAN make a great gun. I’m sure they are going through the pains of expanding their operation. Hopefully over the next few years they become more consistent.
Every maker has duds; Colt, BCM, Daniel Defense, etc has had it’s problems. I have two Daniel Defense barrels that are so over-gassed suppressed it hurt to shoot. I had to install new gas buster charging handles and a Bootleg Tactical suppressed BCG in order to shoot comfortably
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