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"When only 9% of kids are interested in serving, we have got to make sure that we are careful about not alienating wide swaths of the American public to the Army."
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/army-secretary-wormuth-culture-wars-woke-military/
I'll take "Things everyone above a McDonalds assistant manager should know" for $500 Alex.
Diamondback
10-15-22, 22:37
Sounds to me like he needs to be telling that Wokefascist SECDEF above him, not the guys below...
EDIT: Isn't that Donahoe the same piece of dogshit who booted Americans off an evac plane so he could ship a trophy technical home?
Join the army, be sent off to fight in a war nobody wants, that profits for politicians and defense contractors, without the proper tools or equipment, be ready to be prosecuted for doing your job so some jag can fill his quota, and do it all while needing to supplement your income with food stamps? Nah, thanks though.
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What an idiot. Thinks we don’t know what CYA looks like as normal Americans don’t want to serve in the woke army.
"When only 9% of kids are interested in serving, we have got to make sure that we are careful about not alienating wide swaths of the American public to the Army."
Now get back to pronoun awareness training. And don’t forget to tell the trannys we cover getting their junk chopped off.
Join the army, be sent off to fight in a war nobody wants, that profits for politicians and defense contractors, without the proper tools or equipment, be ready to be prosecuted for doing your job so some jag can fill his quota, and do it all while needing to supplement your income with food stamps? Nah, thanks though.
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Please explain what experience you have to make you think JAGs have a quota.
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Do many people who would join our Army serve in the Foreign Legion instead?
El Pistolero
10-16-22, 09:06
Do many people who would join our Army serve in the Foreign Legion instead?
Negative. Very few have.
Do many people who would join our Army serve in the Foreign Legion instead?
Almost zero.
I can't even fathom the challenge of being flag rank, having to tow the party line regardless of how you might feel about the policies.
Do many people who would join our Army serve in the Foreign Legion instead?
No idea but I did once serve with a short little French dude who was born and raised in Algiers who served in the Foreign Legion before coming to the states. He would get so pissed when we’d call him an African American, good dude.
ffhounddog
10-16-22, 18:14
I’ve killed for this country and it’s hilarious how much I get demonized for killing ISIS members. Told my dad about a knife kill and his eyes he is a retired colonel, told me he was in horror of what I said. He was a pilot so different beast. I retire In 2023 but I’ve been told they might keep me for another year.
I’ve killed for this country and it’s hilarious how much I get demonized for killing ISIS members. Told my dad about a knife kill and his eyes he is a retired colonel, told me he was in horror of what I said. He was a pilot so different beast. I retire In 2023 but I’ve been told they might keep me for another year.I'm going to be unpacking this post for the rest of the night [emoji15][emoji23]
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Averageman
10-16-22, 22:49
Stay out of the Culture War?
Isn't he like 40 years late?
We were talking at work and pretty much came to a simple conclusion. Armed Forces are spending all their funding and energy trying to entice people to join who have no desire to serve.
The proof is in the numbers. Its not like tens of thousands of trans and gay kids are lining up at the recruiter's office.
They have certainly driven the point home that straight recruits are not welcome unless they are female or POC tho.
Andy
We were talking at work and pretty much came to a simple conclusion. Armed Forces are spending all their funding and energy trying to entice people to join who have no desire to serve.
The proof is in the numbers. Its not like tens of thousands of trans and gay kids are lining up at the recruiter's office.
They have certainly driven the point home that straight recruits are not welcome unless they are female or POC tho.
Andy
Pretty much.
People won't stay at a job running third shift at a 7-11 if they don't feel like they are appreciated. But somebody honestly expects them to take a round the clock job that breaks down to food and housing with a minimum wage quality check at the end of the month while being sent from shithole to shithole and then blamed for that place being a shithole?
The smartest CEO I ever met had just one rule "if you don't take care of the people who take care of you...they won't."
If you are gaming the military for free school and an education applicable in the private sector when your service is up, that is one thing. But for the guys "serving their country", if you don't make them feel like their country appreciate the effort, and that means a LOT more than just folks saying "thank you for your service" then you are gonna have a Carter quality military which is pretty much what we have now but with a clown contingent.
Anyone who remembers the military post vietnam remembers exactly this same problem. We didn't appreciate or respect our veterans so we had a weak, underfunded military that few took seriously around the world.
If you are gaming the military for free school and an education applicable in the private sector when your service is up, that is one thing.
You still only need so many mechanics, truck drivers, and fuelers.
Combat arms is much more working to middle class and far less diverse than the rest of the Army. You know, the America that still teaches their kids to love America.
Because of my job I am close to guys in army SF and Navy SOIDC, and a lesser extent AFSOF. They continue to recruit heavily and continue to get a metric crap-ton of applications for their programs; problem is, there are always more open billets than what they can recruit for (given criteria), the pipeline is > 2 years long, there is inherent attrition in the pipeline, and they lose operational guys to other billets along the way.
I do not know if a lot of interest and applicants for SOF is true across the entire SOF domain or just those areas, or what, but they are keeping the bodies coming in, just not as many or as fast as they want.
You still only need so many mechanics, truck drivers, and fuelers.
Combat arms is much more working to middle class and far less diverse than the rest of the Army. You know, the America that still teaches their kids to love America.
I agree, but there are more opportunities than that. Pilots and doctors come out of the military, ain't the easiest way to get "free medical school" but it can be done.
That said, as several have pointed out, the mainstream of those who would serve in the military, in the capacities that are needed most, tend to come from working class, middle America and don't like being told they are bad because they are born with some imagined privilege and they join because they truly want to serve their country, not in defiance of being told they can't at some time in the past.
How we as a country take care of those who defend us and have defended us probably says more about our country than anything else we might say or do. Everyone wants school teachers to be viewed as heroes, but rarely do they have to fight terrorists.
If we are going to allocate my tax dollars towards any kind of social welfare program, combat veterans should top that list. That a honorably discharged veteran can one day find himself homeless in the country he served is IMO a national disgrace. Even if we just put them in dorms at a "old soldiers home", they have earned at least that much.
That a honorably discharged veteran can one day find himself homeless in the country he served is IMO a national disgrace. Even if we just put them in dorms at a "old soldiers home", they have earned at least that much.
I think I could get behind that.
I think I could get behind that.
3 hots and a bed, cable tv in common areas and a base level of dignity and quality of life...if we can't do that for everyone who defended this country then we certainly can't accomplish any of the "for everyone" socialism that the left keeps talking about.
Obviously this would have to be a safety net option available to military veterans and if you don't NEED it, you don't get it. Would also resolve some of the homeless problem by removing qualified veterans from their numbers and lessening the burden on those who try and provide for the homeless.
If ever they messed up and made me president, this would be one of my first platform goals.
Diamondback
10-17-22, 21:26
3 hots and a bed, cable tv in common areas and a base level of dignity and quality of life...if we can't do that for everyone who defended this country then we certainly can't accomplish any of the "for everyone" socialism that the left keeps talking about.
Obviously this would have to be a safety net option available to military veterans and if you don't NEED it, you don't get it. Would also resolve some of the homeless problem by removing qualified veterans from their numbers and lessening the burden on those who try and provide for the homeless.
If ever they messed up and made me president, this would be one of my first platform goals.
Bonus, you also get a jobs-creation program staffing them... preferably with veterans or immediate family thereof, might even help the residents with rebuilding their lives giving them work onsite.
Bonus, you also get a jobs-creation program staffing them... preferably with veterans or immediate family thereof, might even help the residents with rebuilding their lives giving them work onsite.
Of course. There are dozens and dozens of ways to build it out. Training, counseling, grants, etc. In fact it's all already been done, just hasn't been done for that segment of the population that IMO is most deserving. Thankfully combat veterans tend to be a resourceful group of individuals who don't need many non practical things to get by in life so they tend to be pretty successful when it comes to taking care of themselves. The only exceptions seem to be those who have simply seen too much and are trying to numb it out with alcohol or drugs and those who were injured and have ongoing pain that resulted in similar dependencies.
Diamondback
10-17-22, 23:02
And part of my thinking staffing it with veterans is that way our Wounded Warriors can retain a sense of purpose, still serving their brothers-in-arms.
HUGE self-esteem booster and help particularly with fighting depressive episodes--different context, but similarly I know that finding a "sense of purpose" standing between my future ex and the POS who intended her harm was a big help in pulling myself out of a morass I'd fallen into in my late high-school/early college years.
I like this idea of providing housing/jobs for homeless Vets.
How many barracks are sitting empty on military bases, right now, that could be put to use for this cause?
Join the army, be sent off to fight in a war nobody wants, that profits for politicians and defense contractors, without the proper tools or equipment, be ready to be prosecuted for doing your job so some jag can fill his quota, and do it all while needing to supplement your income with food stamps? Nah, thanks though.
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BOOM goes the dynamite. I'm friends with the local Air Force recruiter, and even they can't make quota. The official word is that not one wants to work anymore. LMAO. No one wants to go to Syria under Biden.
BOOM goes the dynamite. I'm friends with the local Air Force recruiter, and even they can't make quota. The official word is that not one wants to work anymore. LMAO. No one wants to go to Syria under Biden.
USSOCOM is staying busy, and they are doing the things they like to do. But the 3% does not the force make.
No one is making quota. Even the branches making quota are robbing Peter (the DEP pool) to pay Paul (go today to make numbers pretty). Even the Coast Guard is struggling.
I like this idea of providing housing/jobs for homeless Vets.
How many barracks are sitting empty on military bases, right now, that could be put to use for this cause?
Close to zero. We almost always don’t have enough barracks for active duty.
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Do many people who would join our Army serve in the Foreign Legion instead?
I know 3 guys that I served with that got out and joined the Frrench foreign legion. Actually meet up with two of them while deployed several years later.
I know 3 guys that I served with that got out and joined the Frrench foreign legion. Actually meet up with two of them while deployed several years later.
I did not know anyone who went in, but we worked with them overseas. Hella fun and damn good.
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