View Full Version : The Next-Gen AK47: The Zastava M19 MCS
titsonritz
10-26-22, 17:22
Here is what happens when AK gets drunk at the bar and an FN SCAR is the last chick standing.
I guess Serbia didn't get the memo that Keymod is dead. Not sure about the AR style charging handle. Improved safety. The quick change barrel feature is pretty cool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CE2wNnmIOg
Isn't the entire point of the SCAR that it has a piston like a FNC / AK? Not sure why they wouldn't knock it off completely. But honestly Serbia is a bottom feeder of the AK world, using a heavy trunion (M70) has no benefit that I can understand and might as well have just stayed with a Type 3. They'd have also been better off chroming their barrels.
I think the only attraction is Iraq used a nearly identical AK so anyone who fought in the Iraq war and went looking for a 1:1 copy as a war trophy. I had one back when I felt like a needed a representative sample from every country I could, but when my $350 AK began to sell for $1,800 it went out the door with most of my other "built by century" rifles.
My guess is that they went with the AR15 style rear charging to help the structure of the redesigned top cover. Though the top rail is a definite improvement, the rear side charger isn't. They're calling it a multicaliber system, but I'd say it's only sort of one. That will only run 7.62x39 and 6.5Grendel. I imagine that they'll have a 5.56x45 version that will run 300BO. I'm in for one if they ever come to the US, but I'm an AK whore. I wonder if they'll skip past importing the 5.56x45 chambered M21. Why does Zastava go down with their model numbers?
The Dumb Gun Collector
10-28-22, 19:27
Looks pretty neat. I would definitely pick one up as long as it was sub 2k
Looks pretty neat. I would definitely pick one up as long as it was sub 2k
It's hard for me to wrap my head around a $2000 AK that isn't a Polytech or an original Type 3.
OGmechanic
10-30-22, 22:45
Isn't the entire point of the SCAR that it has a piston like a FNC / AK? Not sure why they wouldn't knock it off completely. But honestly Serbia is a bottom feeder of the AK world, using a heavy trunion (M70) has no benefit that I can understand and might as well have just stayed with a Type 3. They'd have also been better off chroming their barrels.
I think the only attraction is Iraq used a nearly identical AK so anyone who fought in the Iraq war and went looking for a 1:1 copy as a war trophy. I had one back when I felt like a needed a representative sample from every country I could, but when my $350 AK began to sell for $1,800 it went out the door with most of my other "built by century" rifles.
The barrels are cold hammer forged and Chrome lined now....Yugo AKs are hard to beat. and they are not built or assembled or converted by CAI anymore. all are made in zastava factory. Zastava cut ties with CAI a few years ago. 10,000 plus rounds though my 2021 production m70 and runs like a sewing machine. its been through several hard running classes.
The barrels are cold hammer forged and Chrome lined now....Yugo AKs are hard to beat. and they are not built or assembled or converted by CAI anymore. all are made in zastava factory. Zastava cut ties with CAI a few years ago. 10,000 plus rounds though my 2021 production m70 and runs like a sewing machine. its been through several hard running classes.
But aren't they still about 2 lbs. heavier than the other AKM pattern rifles? Again for the weight I think I'd rather have a Type 3.
This always seems to be the problem with the AK vice the AR. Although one CAN make the AR heavy, its harder.
Throw a light and optic on the AK and you feel like its enough. Go 'back' to a heavy trunnion and it all gets crazy with weight and then I don't want it regardless of the 'features'. If it gets heavy enough then I think Galil - but again, it is heavy. But I think I can get enough accuracy out of my VZ or AKM, and don't get the weight.
This always seems to be the problem with the AK vice the AR. Although one CAN make the AR heavy, its harder.
Throw a light and optic on the AK and you feel like its enough. Go 'back' to a heavy trunnion and it all gets crazy with weight and then I don't want it regardless of the 'features'. If it gets heavy enough then I think Galil - but again, it is heavy. But I think I can get enough accuracy out of my VZ or AKM, and don't get the weight.
Even with the recoil, I love my VZ58.
So I had a Krebs KCIMS installed on mine (VZ 58), and when I use the brake the recoil goes away. Thanks for acknowledging the recoil - it seems to be denied by many. Not a big deal, but snappier than an AK, and thus more noticeable.
So I had a Krebs KCIMS installed on mine (VZ 58), and when I use the brake the recoil goes away. Thanks for acknowledging the recoil - it seems to be denied by many. Not a big deal, but snappier than an AK, and thus more noticeable.
It's a super light, so obviously it's gonna have more recoil than firearms using the same round but have a couple more pounds. It's something I forget about with 5.56 until I shoot one of my old SP1s. It's not that they have a lot of recoil, but compared to M4s they have some recoil.
With my VZ, I don't have a threaded barrel so can't do a break, but it's not so bad I can't manage it. I like my handy, dandy x39 carbine.
MadAngler1
11-02-22, 22:57
Steyr, Zastava designed the M70 to handle rifle grenades. Hence the RPK type receiver and heavier trunion. Yes it is a pig but I love mine. Of course, you know this already, and you are probably one of the more knowledgeable people on this board.
I would have liked to see Zastava adopt more modern machining techniques and produce an AK with an upper like a SCAR rather than a large top cover with a pic rail (similar to the Galil ACE). Interchangable barrels are nice, but I see limited real world use. I won’t be swapping between 6.5 Grendel and 7.62x39 on the same platform. I would buy two seperate rifles. I also hope the M19’s top rail holds zero with time and use. Same goes for the interchangeable barrels.
God willing this comes stateside, I would probably pick up the 6.5 Grendel version if the magazines are easy to come by.
Steyr, Zastava designed the M70 to handle rifle grenades. Hence the RPK type receiver and heavier trunion. Yes it is a pig but I love mine. Of course, you know this already, and you are probably one of the more knowledgeable people on this board.
I would have liked to see Zastava adopt more modern machining techniques and produce an AK with an upper like a SCAR rather than a large top cover with a pic rail (similar to the Galil ACE). Interchangable barrels are nice, but I see limited real world use. I won’t be swapping between 6.5 Grendel and 7.62x39 on the same platform. I would buy two seperate rifles. I also hope the M19’s top rail holds zero with time and use. Same goes for the interchangeable barrels.
God willing this comes stateside, I would probably pick up the 6.5 Grendel version if the magazines are easy to come by.
I knew it handled rifle grenades due to the front folding sight / gas block setup. I never really put 2 and 2 together to realize that is why they incorporated the RPK trunion. I have had a LOT of AKs, at one time about 32 examples, but I'm not an expert on the design, I'm more versed on HK platforms.
titsonritz
11-03-22, 02:25
Even with the recoil, I love my VZ58.
Cool guns but they choked on making them not to accept AK mags.
Cool guns but they choked on making them not to accept AK mags.
It's not an AK, they weren't meant to accept AK mags any more than HK 93 were meant to accept AR mags. The Czechs did everything they could to NOT make a AK rifle, they were told to design a rifle around the 7.62x39 round. Honestly AK mags are kinda crap compared to VZ58 mags.
It's not an AK, they weren't meant to accept AK mags any more than HK 93 were meant to accept AR mags. The Czechs did everything they could to NOT make a AK rifle, they were told to design a rifle around the 7.62x39 round. Honestly AK mags are kinda crap compared to VZ58 mags.
Truth. They rock in with Swiss like fit. The rifle allows you to install a bolt release that is easier to use than an AR and because of the bold hold open, your extended mag and bold release can make the manual of arms pretty nice and quick. Even if you don't, the BHO and fit make mag changes nice.
The Czechs knew a few things.
Truth. They rock in with Swiss like fit. The rifle allows you to install a bolt release that is easier to use than an AR and because of the bold hold open, your extended mag and bold release can make the manual of arms pretty nice and quick. Even if you don't, the BHO and fit make mag changes nice.
The Czechs knew a few things.
Exactly. The 58 was leaps ahead of the 47 and in most ways superior to the AKM. Side folding stock? No problem, two bolts, no changing out an entire rear trunion. Suppressed? Go ahead, it will even mount up level and will actually offer decent suppression. Superior mags, bolt hold open (as mentioned), superior mag release and while we are at it at FUNCTIONAL selector that isn't a giant piece of stamped sheet metal.
But I swear everyone thinks everything needs to take Glock mags and AR mags (or in this case AK mags) because god forbid something is designed around a better magazine. I remember back in the 90s, BEFORE Pmags, people getting NATO stocks for their AUG so they could run a shittier magazine ON PURPOSE. Today you have people buying actual Swiss 551 /553 firearms and still wanting to run an AR magazine in them.
Somewhere, someplace is a frustrated gun owner who WANTS to buy a HK SP5 but they haven't come out with one that accepts Glock 33 round magazines yet.
But I swear everyone thinks everything needs to take Glock mags and AR mags (or in this case AK mags) because god forbid something is designed around a better magazine. I remember back in the 90s, BEFORE Pmags, people getting NATO stocks for their AUG so they could run a shittier magazine ON PURPOSE. Today you have people buying actual Swiss 551 /553 firearms and still wanting to run an AR magazine in them.
Somewhere, someplace is a frustrated gun owner who WANTS to buy a HK SP5 but they haven't come out with one that accepts Glock 33 round magazines yet.
Love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I needed a laugh this AM.
Somewhere, someplace is a frustrated gun owner who WANTS to buy a HK SP5 but they haven't come out with one that accepts Glock 33 round magazines yet.
Gun buyers are just as dumb as the rest of the population. And it forces companies to venture of into bad ideas because there's a demand. To your point, I bet HK has received more than one email for the SP5 that will take a glock mag.
Gun buyers are just as dumb as the rest of the population. And it forces companies to venture of into bad ideas because there's a demand. To your point, I bet HK has received more than one email for the SP5 that will take a glock mag.
I just want a Glock 19 that will accept MP5 mags, until then F Glock.
I just want a Glock 19 that will accept MP5 mags, until then F Glock.
:sarcastic: That's coming up next SHOT show!
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