View Full Version : Law Tactical ARIC, BCG no buffer tube needed
crosseyedshooter
11-14-22, 10:21
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIjn4xb5EnY
Looks like they figured out a way to maintain stroke length of AR without the buffer tube (https://www.lawtactical.com/ar_internal_carrier_ARIC_p/99367.htm). I can't imagine this would be as reliable without the mass of the buffer, but that's pretty cool!
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In stock at Brownells. (https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/bolt-parts/bolt-carrier-groups/ar-15-aric-internal-carriers-prod147258.aspx)
When the reciprocating mass bottoms out where is the force transferred to the receiver? It could be a wear point.
Okay, from this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DyMTaZucxY) it looks like only the tab keeps the tail cap from sliding through the receiver. On an overgassed gun that could lead to battering in the same area as gas key contact?
From the disassembly video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWWrPZNEgw4) it appears that despite the use of flat wire the free length of the springs is less than standard Carbine springs, from which I infer that the spring force will be less consistent across the length of travel. With presumably very low reciprocating mass this may be a problem. If the spring force is high and there no damping element to slow the action there may be bolt-over-base malfunctions. If the spring force is low the bolt may not go into battery consistently. I would like to see the spec for the spring force and the reciprocating mass.
Does this make for a real AR pistol?
Interesting design, I'll wait to see regarding durability
So… it’s a D/I MCX setup?
LAW Tactical makes good stuff, so I’m sure it will be a hit. However, I’m not buying into it until it is proven.
If they do an Adams Arms setup, I’d try it out on my 16” carbine. Going into my 11.5” truck gun… goes to the previous statement… not until it is proven.
Somebody on another site commented that it looked like an M&P15-22 or CMMG22 Bolt carrier group.
I suspect it will be very picky about how you balance the gas system.
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Certainly one of the most innovative things I’ve seen released in sometime. Very interesting and cool. People, I being one have longed for a folding AR. By that I mean fire folded.
At first glance based on my rudimentary understanding of physics and engineering it will be both finicky and delicate compared to a standard AR.
My lingering questions are how far back into the receiver extension does the back of the carrier go? Does it require a law folder or can the hole in the lower be plugged with a rail piece on it to attack all of the brn style stocks? And I’d just like to see it in more detail.
If it works with other folders I’d pick it up to just to play with.
I can’t imagine this thing would ever be up to the task of a duty gun.
My lingering questions are how far back into the receiver extension does the back of the carrier go? Does it require a law folder or can the hole in the lower be plugged with a rail piece on it to attack all of the brn style stocks? And I’d just like to see it in more detail.
Watch the videos I referenced.
Okay, from this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DyMTaZucxY) it looks like only the tab keeps the tail cap from sliding through the receiver. On an overgassed gun that could lead to battering in the same area as gas key contact?
Looked at those vids, missed them earlier. I’d say maybe “cup” or tail cap clicks into the folder somehow? I don’t own the folder but from the video it appears he does something at the end with ‘clicking it into place’ also I’d think you could crank down the set screw after install to hold it by the folder some.
I also didn’t consider before the carrier will still ride in the upper and doesn’t rely those tiny little guide rods 100%. It still does look frigid and finicky. I’d bet it would do well with one of those rifle speed adjustable gas blocks.
Looked at those vids, missed them earlier. I’d say maybe “cup” or tail cap clicks into the folder somehow? I don’t own the folder but from the video it appears he does something at the end with ‘clicking it into place’
There is a tab inside the receiver-side of the folding mechanism that keeps the regular BCG from sliding out. I believe he is just depressing that to allow the cup to pass through, into its fully seated position.
Since when is the Receiver Extension a problem on the AR? Folding ARs/Pistol ARs are nonsense to me, but to each his own.
crosseyedshooter
11-14-22, 15:12
In principle, it’s a hybrid between AR-18/180 recoil system and AR-15 gas operation. I recall the original MCX had high cyclic rate issues and never read how that has been solved in current gen rifles. I’d hazard a guess that this will have similar characteristics with the lower mass and necessary spring rates. The longevity of this system will be interesting as more data comes in from users. It’s kind of how the firearms industry seems these days; the customers are the beta testers.
On another note, there’s this article (https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/12/09/ews-bufferless-bcg-preorder/), from The Firearm Blog, on Bufferless BCGs from Evolution Weapon Systems (https://www.evolutionweaponsystems.com/p/back-ordered-buffer-less-bcg-223556-w--1913-rail-adapter) published a few years back. I wonder if there’s any relation?
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Diamondback
11-14-22, 21:29
Does it require a law folder or can the hole in the lower be plugged with a rail piece on it to attack all of the brn style stocks? And I’d just like to see it in more detail.
If it's cross-compatible KNS Precision makes the plug. I'd be tempted to combine this with aa KNS 1913 adapter, then a Midwest STAP sidefolder storage tube (with or without my MacGyvered QD adapter from an optic riser) and an SBA3 or SBA4 brace. IF Pedo Merrick (no proof, but he DOES have that skeevy chomo look about him) and his Bunch of Asshat Terrorist Fascists weren't on the warpath toward AR's y whatever tricks they can think up, that is...
the AR-15 Junkie
11-14-22, 23:04
Is SOTAR promoting this BCG?
If it's cross-compatible KNS Precision makes the plug. I'd be tempted to combine this with aa KNS 1913 adapter, then a Midwest STAP sidefolder storage tube (with or without my MacGyvered QD adapter from an optic riser) and an SBA3 or SBA4 brace. IF Pedo Merrick (no proof, but he DOES have that skeevy chomo look about him) and his Bunch of Asshat Terrorist Fascists weren't on the warpath toward AR's y whatever tricks they can think up, that is...
It’s not cross compatible. It uses the extra length of the law folder. That said, someone could make a rail adapter that has the extra needed length. It’s not a particularly complicated part compared to the folder.
Since when is the Receiver Extension a problem on the AR? Folding ARs/Pistol ARs are nonsense to me, but to each his own.
Since people decided they wanted a more compact package for storage, transport etc
Since people decided they wanted a more compact package for storage, transport etc
And they want the superior weight, balance, and egos of an AR vs an AK or FAL or similar.
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One More Time
11-15-22, 08:00
For short guns the Law folder is pretty handy for transport, with an 8" 9mm AR it fit in my range bag or backpack.
Shooting it folded doesn't interest me at all, not too hard to close it up as is.
I sold off the 9mm stuff and put it on a rifle for a bit, now it sits in a drawer.
Diamondback
11-15-22, 08:29
It’s not cross compatible. It uses the extra length of the law folder. That said, someone could make a rail adapter that has the extra needed length. It’s not a particularly complicated part compared to the folder.
Still no problem, just screw the KNS plug into the LAW folder, clamp on optic riser then bolt on the non-folder STAP. Longer, heavier and clunkier but same final result.
Now if only I could find a rail-mount hinge to partner with takedown kits... thinking something designed for "pull barrel/HG back an inch to unlock hinge, flip, pull back again to lock in firing position then work your QRB/Dolos/etc locks as normal."
Needs a dedicated lower with seamless folding stock design to really interest me.
Brazos_Jack
12-22-22, 10:56
I just got a Law Tactical ARIC and installed it in my 7.62x39 AR carbine. It already had a Law Tactical folding adapter and a Sentry 7 adjustable gas block. It is very much like the recoil system of the AR-180. It will be a while before I can test it due to the winter cold. I plan to set the gas block only 2 clicks from fully closed and the open it a click or two at a time until I achieve reliable lock back.
Brownells has been doing a good job with their videos. I like their smithbuster series as well. The two guys hosting seem like good dudes.
crosseyedshooter
12-31-22, 13:19
Here’s a comparison on the two systems. Interesting that neither has accommodations for a forward assist and they both arguably need one to overcome the first round resistance on a fully loaded mag.
http://youtu.be/B4bsk1yoK-Q
Any real world (non gun-influencer) experiences? Especially with 300 BLK subsonics.
seems the window of reliability closes:
https://youtu.be/2JCxgVnVf_4
crosseyedshooter
01-30-23, 13:13
Ouch!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuJszcH_R-M
titsonritz
01-30-23, 15:12
Ouch!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuJszcH_R-M
I don't take anything that dude says seriously.
Anybody have hands on with one of these yet? I mean, other than YouTubers.
No offense to any YouTubers here...
Sidneyious
04-07-23, 23:11
I don't take anything that dude says seriously.I ignored everything that man says when he started to say the NRA was trying to put a hit out on him.
Dudes a ****ing tool.
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