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This is going to be addicting…! I enjoyed the first time out shooting an RMR red dot on a handgun. After 250 rounds I am happy with my transition for iron sights to red dot thus far.
Here are a few pictures:
The group above the gun was a 5 shot group at 7 yards shot on a silent 2 second cadence count.
https://i.imgur.com/BxvswJkl.jpg
This was a 15 round group at 15 yards rapid fire, fired as soon as I recovered from recoil.
https://i.imgur.com/huQRlfZl.jpg
I didn’t seem to struggle with finding the red dot after recoil at all. I thought it was going to be like shooting with a laser sight but its way different. I have been really struggling to embrace the whole red dot trend thinking it’s just a fad! I suppose it here to stay. I an sold on the idea now.
Nice.
I’m transitioning all my pistols to dots. My 57 yr old eye’s simply cannot focus on the front sight. With a dot, i look through it and focus on the target. I like that. I’ll Practice dry fire at home to get better at getting the dot from holster. Thats my only worry, the speed to first acquire the dot.
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Sweet. It is addicting for sure. I enjoy starting and finishing with a round of Dot Torture or a magfull at 25. The more you do it, the more natural it’ll be, and soon you’ll be shooting as well as some people do with a rifle (sadly).
Nice! I don't think I've tried an RDS on a glock yet.
Nice; those Zev Duty Slides are a great value as well.
Thanks guys. I'll be going to the range again in the next day or so to hone in my red dot skills a little more. I suppose at some point I'll put red dot on my CCW.
As far as the ZEV Duty slide, I like it. It gave me nothing but troubles, mostly FTF and FTE the first 250 rounds or so. It's been trouble free for about the last 500 rounds.
Sweet. It is addicting for sure. I enjoy starting and finishing with a round of Dot Torture or a magfull at 25. The more you do it, the more natural it’ll be, and soon you’ll be shooting as well as some people do with a rifle (sadly).
Dot Torture, Cold, with RD is a pretty good indicator of your overall “ownership” of basics.
We usually start a Drills Session with it, in spite of the grumbling.
(“ALL of you can shoot close and quick fairly well. We are here to work on your weak areas, what you SUCK at”.)
(“ALL of you can shoot close and quick fairly well. We are here to work on your weak areas, what you SUCK at”.)
I love shooting odd/wild stuff with pistol. Long distance, One hand, Left hand, Left hand supported. The weirder the better as long as it's not a total waste of ammo.
I look at it like the skateboarders. If you learn a trick, learn it switch stance. With the dot, it's 90 percent mental. Put the dot on the target, and don't flinch the shot.
Dot Torture, Cold, with RD is a pretty good indicator of your overall “ownership” of basics.
We usually start a Drills Session with it, in spite of the grumbling.
(“ALL of you can shoot close and quick fairly well. We are here to work on your weak areas, what you SUCK at”.)
Its a good tool for identifying your weaknesses, for sure. I shot it yesterday with irons at 4yds for the first time in a while, with a G44. Cold. I was not happy with my results.
Last pre-deployment trainup class I went to started off with a B8 at 25m. Basic fundamentals all day, mostly slow fire, with only a single block on recoil control. One of the best classes I’ve attended.
titsonritz
11-29-22, 18:08
I was a believer my first go around too. Nice shooting.
I was a believer my first go around too. Nice shooting.
The proof is in the pudding and with the RDS, I shoot like I'm 21 again. But Man. It took me 10 or more shoots to warm up to the RDS. And I still don't have one of my own.
I think trying different guns and dots kinda slowed me getting used to it. But on the other hand I got to try a variety of set ups.
I love shooting odd/wild stuff with pistol. Long distance, One hand, Left hand, Left hand supported. The weirder the better as long as it's not a total waste of ammo.
I look at it like the skateboarders. If you learn a trick, learn it switch stance. With the dot, it's 90 percent mental. Put the dot on the target, and don't flinch the shot.
Good outlook, coming from someone who used to dabble in skateboarding and has played his fair share of Tony Hawk Pro Skater games. Being able to consistently hit 50 yard steel standing on one foot with the pistol upside down and pressing the trigger with my pinky has really simplified my understanding of the core fundamentals of marksmanship. Sight picture, trigger press. Grip and stance can be wildly out of whack and the target can still get center punched. Fine tuning those things comes later when the marksmanship fundamentals are acquired and it’s time to improve recoil control and follow ups.
Good outlook, coming from someone who used to dabble in skateboarding and has played his fair share of Tony Hawk Pro Skater games. Being able to consistently hit 50 yard steel standing on one foot with the pistol upside down and pressing the trigger with my pinky has really simplified my understanding of the core fundamentals of marksmanship. Sight picture, trigger press. Grip and stance can be wildly out of whack and the target can still get center punched. Fine tuning those things comes later when the marksmanship fundamentals are acquired and it’s time to improve recoil control and follow ups.
Never was a video gamer, but shooting challenging stuff like one hand/left hand, etc. make coming back to a full two hand pistol grip shot a piece of cake. The stretching of your abilities and getting out of your comfort zone definitely helps your confidence and ability.
So if you ever get into a serious defense situation, you don't choke, fall to pieces or fight with doubt and hesitation. I've shot with so many students and fellow shooters who might as well NOT carry. Zero chance they're ready to fight with a pistol. Even us dedicated shooters could get caught off guard and get behind the 8 ball at some point.
A fun challenge with friends is a game of H-O-R-S-E. Competitive, but without the pressure of the timer.
A fun challenge with friends is a game of H-O-R-S-E. Competitive, but without the pressure of the timer.
Even adding the timer to stuff it good. Shoot! I was trying to shoot the Dickens drill left hand only with the timer. (didn't get the minimum hits though)
Honestly, I wouldn't be shooting pistol at all if it weren't for PB making me strap on a battle belt and do it. I run 50 rounds at most per year through my carry gun. :p
Once you get good with a dot, it will go on all your carry guns in all likelihood. Best thing is you can do very productive practice just drawing and finding the dot and sight picture with no ammo in your living room. Which is the biggest challenge transitioning to a dot.
PB
^^Truth.
I have a Dot Torture on the wall opposite my desk at office.
I dry fire the drill (as possible) a few times each morning.
Nice.
I’m transitioning all my pistols to dots. My 57 yr old eye’s simply cannot focus on the front sight. With a dot, i look through it and focus on the target. I like that. I’ll Practice dry fire at home to get better at getting the dot from holster. Thats my only worry, the speed to first acquire the dot.
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You can still do that with a fiber optic front. I have always focused on the target and let the front sight blur. It's the way I've shot archery for 40 years, and the way I started shooting pistols a long time ago. Blurry front sight centered on a blurry rear sight, with target focus. Seems weird to most folks, but it has always worked for me.
BUT.. I can do the same thing with a RDS and be more accurate at distance with the pistols I've borrowed. It's a win/win, but like MarkM I haven't jumped on the ship yet. Mostly due to the daunting cost of upgrading my pistols when I feel that I am more than competent with what I already own.
You can still do that with a fiber optic front. I have always focused on the target and let the front sight blur. It's the way I've shot archery for 40 years, and the way I started shooting pistols a long time ago. Blurry front sight centered on a blurry rear sight, with target focus. Seems weird to most folks, but it has always worked for me.
BUT.. I can do the same thing with a RDS and be more accurate at distance with the pistols I've borrowed. It's a win/win, but like MarkM I haven't jumped on the ship yet. Mostly due to the daunting cost of upgrading my pistols when I feel that I am more than competent with what I already own.
I do like those fiber optic front sight except that they're generally fragile compared to a solid steel sight. (subject to smashing)
As far as dot upgrade, I'm a weird gun guy who really has ONE 20 year old (Glock) main pistol and a Shield for pocket carry. If I did an RDS, it would be for one gun only to replace the old Glock.
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