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Complete rant here, but why has it become acceptable to throw around silly school yard names when it comes to what should be serious conversations? I’m sure the left does it too, but I’ve always believed the whole point of being a conservative was to be rational and not make dumb, emotional decisions. Yet people throw around “Obummer/Sleepy Joe/Killary/Libtard” constantly. Best case it’s immature and cringeworthy, worst case it completely undermines any good point you make when you sound like you get your facts from internet trolls. I don’t need some low rent late night monologue punchline to criticize people I have philosophical disagreements with—even when I agree with people I can’t take them seriously when they do this. Perhaps I am just old fashioned, but it’s dumb and I think we’d all be better if we left the silly names to the kids and tried to treat our political discourse with the seriousness it deserves.
Am I alone here?
Am I alone here?
YES!! The left will always drag any debate down to a grade school level.
FromMyColdDeadHand
12-07-22, 09:08
Drumpt or what ever they claimed Trumps original name when he claimed.
All matter of ‘Bush’ references for either POTUS.
Granted, Trump did take it to a new level, but most of his were pretty funny
In some ways I agree, the dems have given up on silly names and just gone with racist nazi. So much more mature.
People were too loved by their moms, or not loved enough; small penises; inferiority complex. Pick your cliche. If people can't argue their points or make conversation without resorting to that, they are beyond help.
Averageman
12-07-22, 09:38
Complete rant here, but why has it become acceptable to throw around silly school yard names when it comes to what should be serious conversations? I’m sure the left does it too, but I’ve always believed the whole point of being a conservative was to be rational and not make dumb, emotional decisions. Yet people throw around “Obummer/Sleepy Joe/Killary/Libtard” constantly. Best case it’s immature and cringeworthy, worst case it completely undermines any good point you make when you sound like you get your facts from internet trolls. I don’t need some low rent late night monologue punchline to criticize people I have philosophical disagreements with—even when I agree with people I can’t take them seriously when they do this. Perhaps I am just old fashioned, but it’s dumb and I think we’d all be better if we left the silly names to the kids and tried to treat our political discourse with the seriousness it deserves.
Am I alone here?
I believe you think this is a problem Conservatives have, trust me it's not. The Left has made great strides with the simple term "Nazi". Nobody wants to be called a Nazi (No matter how much Nazi stuff they do.) and that was the normal term used by the Left to describe Cop's way back in to the 1960's.
Is calling names immature and does it take all of the intelligence out of your argument and reduce the whole mess to a school yard brawl? Yes it does, it is however sometimes a very effective weapon to use in the street. Imagine turning a street corner and you hear "This Nazi Facisit just grabbed my pussy." He of course didn't do that, but just as you turned the corner she ran out of an intellectual argument and slapped the guy and screamed that phrase.
Being a normal hetrosexual Male, you'll want to move forward to protect our Princess here and if not assault the guy, put your body between his and hers.
See how that works?
If we were having a debate, would I look for inflamatory phrases to make your argument? This can be a tricky one because you can become emotionally invested in making your enemy look bad, but too far (Ala Trump) makes you look bad.
Would you preffer a more dignified debate? I certainly would, however, I believe things have gone too far.
I was just looking at an old story about a guy who's daughter was raped at school, in the rest room by a trans gender student.
The School supported the Tranny Student in every way, no matter what his past record of assaultive behavior was. The Dad and Daughter very likely knew little or nothing at all about this Student. And the two were set on a collision course with destiny.
I would challange you as a Father to take this issue before the School Board. This guy did and he was assaulted, hand cuffed and removed from the building.
The Left now figures they hold so much ground from playing the long game, that they can do anything to you, so they do.
Debating them is useless because they run on emotion, just like the "He grabbed my Pussy" Girl, they will pull no punches when it comes to destroying you, and they will destroy you.
Find a bomb in an Olympic Village? Yeah, well immeadiatly, you're a Nazi and planted it there.
Did someone approach you with the President's Sons computer that was left to be past due in billing and is now your property? Well we must destroy your lives, hide the computer and lie about the entire matter to the point where Twitter, the DNC, the FBI all become involved.
If you want intellectual debate, find a Conservative. If you want a punch in the dick, debate a Liberal.
Nothing new to see, done as long as politics existed. No, people nor politicians were not more civil before:
“...a hideous hermaphroditical character which has neither the force and firmness of a man, not the gentleness and sensibility of a woman.”
Journalist James Thomson Callender hired by Thomas Jefferson writing about John Adams.
Even today, calling a presidential opponent a hermaphrodite would raise some eyebrows.
Humans always assign a name to people, put them in that box, and marginalize/ignore them. Some times it's warranted, some times it's not. Humans are not good at nuance generally, made worse by the ADHD of the internet no doubt.
Personally, I try and look into the person and the context before I label them and ignore them.
Guilty.
"Shitshispants", "Kumswalla", "AOChe", "Pootieboi". Yup, I use them regularly. I've never denied that I'm an asshole.
I generally TRY to hold such in reserve for the most deserving. Yeah, it's childish. On the other hand it saves time. In one simple act of petulance I can convey that I have zero respect for the person, their ideas and ideals, and even their existence as a human being deserving of such. It's a "nuclear option" whereas intelligent discourse can be viewed as " conventional warfare" political discussion. It also quickly and easily stakes out my position and my likelihood of being swayed.
Now, if I were in a serious discussion with you I would not call you a libtard, commie, Nazi, etc. It's kind of a deal breaker on continued conversation.
I cannot have a polite political discourse with anyone who calls me a racist Nazi, simply because I disagree with their political ideology. That’s really the crux of the matter.
Diamondback
12-07-22, 10:57
Nothing new about this, you shoulda heard some of the things the Founders said about each other.
Kinda with Utahjeepr here... I know I have a really big asshole streak myself, but I try to keep it bottled up--admittedly being less successful than I'd like and more often than I'd like--until forced to unleash it by some even bigger asshole.
Road House Wisdom: There's a time to Not Be Nice, but until then Be Nice. Or the Top Gun version, "do not fire until fired upon."
Complete rant here, but why has it become acceptable to throw around silly school yard names when it comes to what should be serious conversations? I’m sure the left does it too, but I’ve always believed the whole point of being a conservative was to be rational and not make dumb, emotional decisions. Yet people throw around “Obummer/Sleepy Joe/Killary/Libtard” constantly. Best case it’s immature and cringeworthy, worst case it completely undermines any good point you make when you sound like you get your facts from internet trolls. I don’t need some low rent late night monologue punchline to criticize people I have philosophical disagreements with—even when I agree with people I can’t take them seriously when they do this. Perhaps I am just old fashioned, but it’s dumb and I think we’d all be better if we left the silly names to the kids and tried to treat our political discourse with the seriousness it deserves.
Am I alone here?
Not alone. I also find it cringey, but of course I am not without sin. Doesn’t matter what the other side does, it still undermines our cause.
Do you want to win, or whine about wanting to be nicer than the other side?
Do you want to win, or whine about wanting to be nicer than the other side?
That’s just it. Name calling doesn’t lead to a win. It just drives away the fence-sitters.
titsonritz
12-07-22, 13:36
Complete rant here, but why has it become acceptable to throw around silly school yard names when it comes to what should be serious conversations? I’m sure the left does it too, but I’ve always believed the whole point of being a conservative was to be rational and not make dumb, emotional decisions. Yet people throw around “Obummer/Sleepy Joe/Killary/Libtard” constantly. Best case it’s immature and cringeworthy, worst case it completely undermines any good point you make when you sound like you get your facts from internet trolls. I don’t need some low rent late night monologue punchline to criticize people I have philosophical disagreements with—even when I agree with people I can’t take them seriously when they do this. Perhaps I am just old fashioned, but it’s dumb and I think we’d all be better if we left the silly names to the kids and tried to treat our political discourse with the seriousness it deserves.
Am I alone here?
Shut-up racist Nazi.
Do you want to win, or whine about wanting to be nicer than the other side?
I’m not convinced it has anything to do with winning. Trump did it, and the left had all manner to say about Bush. Perhaps it’s just the world we are in, but I personally can think of a lot more mature, and accurate things to say about the left than “Libtard.” And I’m not defending the way “racist” and “Nazi” have been weaponized, that’s probably a worse cheapening of language. But a bunch of grown ass men calling stupid names and giggling like teenage girls is not the solution to any of our problems. I’m pretty secure in my beliefs so I’m not a fence sitter, but I’m also not going to make friends with the dude in the “Joe and the Hoe Gotta Go” t-shirt.
But I’m a total a-hole to my friends and call them all manner of colorful nicknames, so I get the urge—I just think we can save that stuff for sports bitching and act seriously when the situation calls for it.
Guilty.
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I have spent my adult life around Air Force aviation so colorful callsigns and innuendos are a way of life for me. A 69 second time hack is ALWAYS a good idea. But that’s amongst peers and like minded people. Doing it to some politician who probably already thinks I’m an idiot because I like guns, deer hunting and believe the efficacy of a well placed JDAM to solve foreign policy problems just seems like a crazy guy yelling at cars on the freeway. But I have yelled at cars…so…
My only complaint is about picking good names and then staying on a consistent message. Call them all the C word and just stick with that.
Communists hate being called communists for some reason.
That’s just it. Name calling doesn’t lead to a win. It just drives away the fence-sitters.
I can’t argue against the evidence.
Nazi, white supremacist, ultra mega MAGA, threats to democracy candidates have been notching up so many wins lately.
Maybe there is still time to go back to being nice winners like Romney.
It's something both sides engage in equally when they can't make a coherent argument, but whenever someone talks about how bad things have become, I like to remind them that a senator was beaten unconscious on the Senate floor way back when. Maybe we could use some more of that.
https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/The_Caning_of_Senator_Charles_Sumner.htm
I know right! I remember when politicians were all so very cordial, respectful, dare I say it? Presidential.
Then Orange man came. :confused: He started po slinging. Our fine politicians haven't been the same since. :help:
Averageman
12-07-22, 15:04
So, what you're asking us is "Why doesn't the Mitt Romney approach Win?"
I provide people with the level of respect they deserve. The "office" of the President only affords you so much consideration.
One of these days the progressives that are left will probably call us murderers !
Averageman
12-07-22, 16:16
One of these days the progressives that are left will probably call us murderers !
I think you're late, people have been blamed for someone else going home and commiting suicide because they were misgendered.
And I remember laughing at all of those funny Saturday Night Live episodes that feature "Pat" the ungenderizable tranny?
My how we have moved forward from all of that,.....Humor, because I can remember the Human Condition as actually being funny. The more bizare the human condition, the funnier it was and all of us have had that moment when you're trying to figure out which sex a "Pat" was.
But Pat went home and killed itself so you killed Pat.
You didn't kill "Pat", "Pat" was a weak Hot house flower. Too gentle and confused to exisit amoung us mere mortals "Pat" took the easy way out.
Sorry, I just think "Pats" are an anomaly, a bit of a twist on nature. I think we can counsel and guide them, but that's about it. I feel bad for them, but they need to adapt to us, not us to them.
Diamondback
12-07-22, 17:58
Hey, the Washington voter registration system misregistered me as "female" because some data-entry dweeb screwed up on the initial entry and I had to fight with those piss-sucking papershufflers for TEN YEARS to get it fixed, and you don't see me being a butthurt little bitch about it...
hotbiggun42
12-07-22, 18:11
Dumbacrats, Mcshitstain(thank you for your service), Obummer, fauxahannas, lying dog face pony soldier, its all good fun. Trust me they all despise us as well.
Complete rant here, but why has it become acceptable to throw around silly school yard names when it comes to what should be serious conversations? I’m sure the left does it too, but I’ve always believed the whole point of being a conservative was to be rational and not make dumb, emotional decisions. Yet people throw around “Obummer/Sleepy Joe/Killary/Libtard” constantly. Best case it’s immature and cringeworthy, worst case it completely undermines any good point you make when you sound like you get your facts from internet trolls. I don’t need some low rent late night monologue punchline to criticize people I have philosophical disagreements with—even when I agree with people I can’t take them seriously when they do this. Perhaps I am just old fashioned, but it’s dumb and I think we’d all be better if we left the silly names to the kids and tried to treat our political discourse with the seriousness it deserves.
Am I alone here?
Symptom of reverting low-brow tribalism ... The people that use these kinds of attacks, never debate anything...they are simply attacking targets...that's on the Right and the Left.... There are no conservatives or liberals on the Right or the Left...just fringe wack-jobs.
I insult ANY useless politician. Like Cocaine Mitch, Lindsey Gr-amnesty, etc.
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Diamondback
12-07-22, 19:50
Dumbacrats, Mcshitstain(thank you for your service), Obummer, fauxahannas, lying dog face pony soldier, its all good fun. Trust me they all despise us as well.
Speaking from experience having been groomed by them from a young age to be an activist/strategist, there are not words to describe the depths of their hatred for the "filthy proles" including the "pawns" of their own side. Perhaps especially, because these people knowingly manipulate others to take actions detrimental to their own interests and sometimes even outright harmful to their own life-and-limb. They WANTED black people to get mowed down wholesale in the BLM riots and CHAZhole uprisings as a pretext to federalize all LE and ban guns. When they didn't get what they wanted, all that rage had to go somewhere hence the attempted persecution of Kenosha Kyle by Fatlock and his partner in butt-piracy.
These people HATE YOU. They WANT YOU DEAD. Yes, YOU PERSONALLY. The sooner we all wrap our heads around that cold, stark hard reality, and learn to govern ourselves in our dealings with them and the institutions they control accordingly, the sooner we have a chance of putting the brakes on this Marxist coup and starting to reverse it.
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