View Full Version : The Myth of the Nazi Police State - WW2 Documentary Special
Heard the gist of this years ago, but this has a little more elaboration.
https://youtu.be/oEs3hMp60JM
hotbiggun42
12-30-22, 14:31
I watched a little of that video but it doesnt really matter if history was unfair or innacurate in reguards to the Nazis, truth is they lost the war and they commited war crimes the details and inacuracies dont matter.
The gestapo was pretty much the cops, the SD and Allgemeine SS that did most of the stuff people think about when they think "gestapo."
The gestapo was pretty much the cops, the SD and Allgemeine SS that did most of the stuff people think about when they think "gestapo."
Local or federal cops?
Local or federal cops?
All police were essentially centralized, and the gestapo did come under the SS umbrella, but they were more glorified gold shield detectives. The true "police state" guys that everyone needed to fear was the SD.
National Socialist Germany can sometimes be difficult to fully understand when it comes to these groups because there was dramatic overlap between military and LE, but essentially everything was eventually answerable to the state. The gestapo was less monolithic than the Soviet NKVD for example (and I think that was the point of the video) and they had a designated role, but there were other organizations that made Germany far more of a police state than the gestapo.
And while it's true that lots of people violated lots of laws like listening to foreign radio or making defeatist statements, the SS didn't care because they still owned you and your children a dozen different ways. Try and be a German family and NOT allow your kids to join the Hitler Jugend, you will pop on their radar fast and probably find yourself at Dachau with all the other Germans who objected to various policies.
Start a subversive student group like the White Rose and you WILL meet the actual gestapo in your area. They were arrested for distributing anti nazi flyers at a German university.
On 22 February 1943, Scholl, her brother, Hans, and their friend, Christoph Probst, were found guilty of treason and condemned to death. They were all beheaded by guillotine by executioner Johann Reichhart in Munich's Stadelheim Prison.
While the video above tries to correct some misconceptions about which organization was responsible for what, calling the police state a "myth" is a disservice.
All police were essentially centralized, and the gestapo did come under the SS umbrella, but they were more glorified gold shield detectives. The true "police state" guys that everyone needed to fear was the SD.
National Socialist Germany can sometimes be difficult to fully understand when it comes to these groups because there was dramatic overlap between military and LE, but essentially everything was eventually answerable to the state. The gestapo was less monolithic than the Soviet NKVD for example (and I think that was the point of the video) and they had a designated role, but there were other organizations that made Germany far more of a police state than the gestapo.
And while it's true that lots of people violated lots of laws like listening to foreign radio or making defeatist statements, the SS didn't care because they still owned you and your children a dozen different ways. Try and be a German family and NOT allow your kids to join the Hitler Jugend, you will pop on their radar fast and probably find yourself at Dachau with all the other Germans who objected to various policies.
Start a subversive student group like the White Rose and you WILL meet the actual gestapo in your area. They were arrested for distributing anti nazi flyers at a German university.
On 22 February 1943, Scholl, her brother, Hans, and their friend, Christoph Probst, were found guilty of treason and condemned to death. They were all beheaded by guillotine by executioner Johann Reichhart in Munich's Stadelheim Prison.
While the video above tries to correct some misconceptions about which organization was responsible for what, calling the police state a "myth" is a disservice.
So in essence kind of like what we have now with Federal DHS / CISA outsourcing the censorship of citizens on Social Media.........to end run right around the constitution.
I watched a little of that video but it doesnt really matter if history was unfair or innacurate in reguards to the Nazis, truth is they lost the war and they commited war crimes the details and inacuracies dont matter.
They aren't acting as apologists.
So in essence kind of like what we have now with Federal DHS / CISA outsourcing the censorship of citizens on Social Media.........to end run right around the constitution.
Well not exactly. Perhaps philosophically similar in some regards, but in practice we haven't even come close to the shit the National Socialist pulled with declaring emergency powers in 1933 following the burning of the reichstag.
What we have currently are many laws that violate the intent, and in some cases the specific wording of the constitution and we have agencies and organizations in power that enforce those laws. The first was probably the Dick Act of 1903 which changed the nature of the militia from a group of "armed citizens" to an auxiliary government force and retasked the National Guard into this role as the "organized militia." This forever changed the nature of the second amendment and laid the foundation for future abuse.
Everyone talks about the 1934 NFA and Miller but don't really understand it wasn't infringement so much as overstep. The president does have the power to regulate commerce and trade via executive order, but obviously FDR created a defacto ban on several classes of firearms with the NFA and if it was working correctly, it should have been challenged and overturned by the supreme court.
The other thing nobody seems to notice is, nobody did anything about machine guns and silencers used by organized crime throughout the roaring 20s. Men like Joe Kennedy built empires on the illegal alcohol trade and the violence that came with it. But it wasn't until prohibition was repealed in December of 1933 that these weapons were addressed when it was realized that Federal prohibition agents and a significant portion of the FBI would be put out of work near the worst point of the depression that a new "prohibition" related to firearms was created.
Justification for the law cited "road bandits" like Bonnie and Clyde, John Dillinger and the like but these bank robbers never came close to the body counts of organized crime during the "alcohol ban." Something else nobody remembers, originally it was intended that handguns would ALSO be classified as NFA weapons and regulated the same way in 1934 but the NRA fought that measure.
But the true infringement came in 1968 when the ATF was given the power to legislate by decree with the "sporting clause." This changed the nature of firearms laws and required a sporting application for any firearm manufactured or imported and left the ATF as the deciding body to determine which firearms qualified. That meant even if you had $200, you still couldn't get something the ATF felt didn't qualify. That is also why certain firearms such as the Walther PPK could no longer be imported to the US after the 1968 GCA was passed and why Walther had to create the PPK/S to qualify as "importable" to the US.
This is also why getting rid of the NFA would be meaningless as ATF would simply declare all NFA weapons as "non suited for sporting applications" and all of them would become non transferable. This was actually the original version of the Hughes amendment which was attached to the 1986 FOPA, and if passed in that form all of the NFA weapons in private hands would become non transferable to anyone and would be surrendered to the ATF when those owners passed away or decided they no longer wanted to own their NFA weapons. And if that version passed there would be very few people alive today that actually own anything NFA.
Diamondback
01-01-23, 08:54
Steyr, have you ever suggested this to anyone at Firearms Policy Coalition while they're bulk-filing lawsuits? Seems to me the Sporter Clause blatantly violates Miller's "militia suitable test", but the hard part is finding a plaintiff with standing. "So what that you can't import a genuine British FAL? DSA has an American-made FAL nevermind that it's metric not inch, so no harm in this court's eyes, ergo no standing."
Steyr, have you ever suggested this to anyone at Firearms Policy Coalition while they're bulk-filing lawsuits? Seems to me the Sporter Clause blatantly violates Miller's "militia suitable test", but the hard part is finding a plaintiff with standing. "So what that you can't import a genuine British FAL? DSA has an American-made FAL nevermind that it's metric not inch, so no harm in this court's eyes, ergo no standing."
Ain't just FALs. ATF used the sporter clause to ban imports of 7n6 5.45 ammo and attempted to do the same with domestic sale of SS109 5.56 ammo.
Diamondback
01-01-23, 15:56
Ain't just FALs. ATF used the sporter clause to ban imports of 7n6 5.45 ammo and attempted to do the same with domestic sale of SS109 5.56 ammo.
I know, I was just picking that as a quick sample of the kind of cutesy argument the Walking Dogshit crapping up the bench would throw.
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