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It's always something:
https://www.psmagazine.army.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/3258814/m17m18-mhs-help-stop-extractor-pin-damage/
Renegade04
01-05-23, 12:16
It's always something:
https://www.psmagazine.army.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/3258814/m17m18-mhs-help-stop-extractor-pin-damage/
Looks like some Army armorers do not know what they are doing. Maybe these guys need to go back and retake the M17/M18 Armorers Course.
Thus far, the most frequent reason to disassemble the slide seems to be reinstallation of a loose rear sight improperly installed at the factory. Common in M17/18, and there are ps mag and TACOM docs on that as well. Many of those fixes are performed by non-armorer personnel in the field on range days.
We have a thread on the rear sight issue, also started by Slater: https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?238842-M17-M18-rear-sight-maintenance
Looks like some Army armorers do not know what they are doing. Maybe these guys need to go back and retake the M17/M18 Armorers Course.
Armorers shouldn’t be doing it at all.
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Words and context matters for "armorer." Troop that passes out and collects guns and mags in one context, troop that fixes them in another, and then service/unit variations.
It's always something:
https://www.psmagazine.army.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/3258814/m17m18-mhs-help-stop-extractor-pin-damage/
Troops shouldn't be removing anything from the slide areas. As far as armorers go, that is pretty straight forward, and the part of that pin that is damaged, isn't being cause from not putting it back together correctly. If it isn't installed correctly, the pin won't stay in the slide. It's pretty idiot proof.
There is something else going on here that is causing that damage. I am in the process of checking some of our officers 320's standard inspection stuff, and I haven't seen anything even remotely close to that kind of damage/ wear on that extractor pin.
As much as I like the 320 platform, IM glad now I have moved away from it as far as duty carry.
TXPO
Renegade04
01-07-23, 07:38
Troops shouldn't be removing anything from the slide areas. As far as armorers go, that is pretty straight forward, and the part of that pin that is damaged, isn't being cause from not putting it back together correctly. If it isn't installed correctly, the pin won't stay in the slide. It's pretty idiot proof.
There is something else going on here that is causing that damage. I am in the process of checking some of our officers 320's standard inspection stuff, and I haven't seen anything even remotely close to that kind of damage/ wear on that extractor pin.
As much as I like the 320 platform, IM glad now I have moved away from it as far as duty carry.
TXPO
It appears as though this is an Army issue, not a pistol issue. Someone is doing something they should not. Just because it may be a few military M17s and/or M18s that are being affected, it does not mean that the individuals who are handing these weapons are competent and know what they are doing, thus placing fault on the pistols. We all know that when the human factor is put into the equation, things can go wrong and too many are quick to blame it on the inanimate object. Even all of the hype over the discharging issues surrounding some of the P320s, it was found that, in most cases, the human factor was the problem and not the pistols. Poor handing, bad safety practices, and improper holsters were the culprits.
Not an army specific thing, army published the info. M17/18 thing.
M17/18s aren't 320s - and this particular part and associated procedure is different.
Even if the design is GTG, design features are affected by human factors.
Humans have to follow SOPs to properly perform maintenance correctly.
I'm still thinking this relates to ongoing sight issues and well meaning troops fixing guns behind the line. Some leaders have believed that the guns must go back to Sig to be fixed, so the desire to avoid that process can be strong.
Poor handing, bad safety practices, and improper holsters were the culprits.
Well that’s pretty wrong. How hard you gonna simp for that gun?
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Well that’s pretty wrong. How hard you gonna simp for that gun?
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Concur.
As for the new issue with the Army pistols it does seem like they're just getting reassembled incorrectly.
The M17/M18 seems to have had a succession of minor issues, but nothing major (or at least nothing has been publicized). From carbon buildup on the loaded chamber indicator (leaving it stuck in the "up" position) to "sluggish" behavior:
https://www.psmagazine.army.mil/News/Article/2229115/m17m18-mhs-is-your-pistol-acting-sluggish/
Renegade04
01-08-23, 13:28
The M17/M18 seems to have had a succession of minor issues, but nothing major (or at least nothing has been publicized). From carbon buildup on the loaded chamber indicator (leaving it stuck in the "up" position) to "sluggish" behavior:
https://www.psmagazine.army.mil/News/Article/2229115/m17m18-mhs-is-your-pistol-acting-sluggish/
The way I see it, if there is so much carbon buildup that causes that issue, then the weapon is poorly maintained. Why should it get so filthy and neglected when cleaning is relatively quick (less than 10 minutes) and easy. One thing the Marine Corps stresses is maintaining your weapon and keep it clean. You have much less issues.
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