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What budget AR15 for under $1000 would you recommend for home defense and range shooting 300 to 400 yards? I am 69 years old and retired from the Army (I can shoot an AR16 at a distance). I would prefer a mid-length gas port, 16-inch barrel. I plan on shooting it a lot, so I need a good barrel. I currently use a 12 gauge and would like something with a little less kick.
Are the Radical or PSA ARs dependable? I have read mixed reviews, some say they are good, some say they are junk.
Is the S&W M&P barrel with a 1:9 twist accurate out to 300, 400 yards?
Would the S&W be any better that the Colt?
Inkslinger
02-27-23, 10:54
Under $1,000? Colt 6920.
https://www.gandrtactical.com/Colt-M4-Carbine-16-AR-15_p_235.html
For Mid length and something you plan to shoot "a lot", I'd go with a BCM middy. It'll be over 1k, but for what you want to do, a cheapo AR isn't the best bet.... you'll probably end up spending the difference in upgrades/repairs in the long run.
everready73
02-27-23, 11:14
I would go with a Colt 6920 OEM and throw the stock and rail of your choice on. Should be under 1k complete
https://armsunlimited.com/colt-le6920-oem2-rifle---no-furniture/
BCM is always a good option as well but will run a little over 1k
Colts are overrated, PSA is underrated here.
These would be my picks, a complete lower and charging handle will add another $250 or so, the PSA premium uppers use FN hammer forged barrels but the haters got to hate.
$459.99
https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-chf-mid-length-a2-5-56-nato-1-7-13-5-lightweight-m-lok-upper-w-mbus-sight-set-no-bcg-or-ch.html
$99.99
https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-toolcraft-5-56-phosphate-mpi-full-auto-bolt-carrier-group-no-logo.html
https://palmettostatearmory.com/ar-15/lowers.html
Hammer_Man
02-27-23, 11:25
What budget AR15 for under $1000 would you recommend for home defense and range shooting 300 to 400 yards? I am 69 years old and retired from the Army (I can shoot an AR16 at a distance). I would prefer a mid-length gas port, 16-inch barrel. I plan on shooting it a lot, so I need a good barrel. I currently use a 12 gauge and would like something with a little less kick.
Are the Radical or PSA ARs dependable? I have read mixed reviews, some say they are good, some say they are junk.
Is the S&W M&P barrel with a 1:9 twist accurate out to 300, 400 yards?
Would the S&W be any better that the Colt?
The S&W M&P seems to be well made, and if you’re on a budget it’s one I would recommend. The 1x9 twist works with 55 grain projectiles, so shooting buckets of M193 won’t be an issue. Keep in mind it’s a basic carbine, so it’s not going to be match gun accurate, but neither is the Colt. This forum is home of the Colt Cult, so take some of “CoLt Iz BesT” comments with a grain of salt. Colt does make a good AR, but S&W has a pretty good reputation for reliability as well.
That said, the 1x7 twist of the 6920 is preferable if you plan to shoot heavier 62-77 grain ammo. Additionally, the Colt barrel is chrome lined to mil spec, which some people prefer over nitride coatings. I wouldn’t let the carbine gas system dissuade you, as it’s plenty reliable. Recently I saw a CR6920 marked down to $929.00 at my local Sportsman’s, which is a pretty decent deal if you can swing it.
I would go with a Colt 6920 OEM and throw the stock and rail of your choice on. Should be under 1k complete
https://armsunlimited.com/colt-le6920-oem2-rifle---no-furniture/
BCM is always a good option as well but will run a little over 1k
This is a really cool option. You'll also need some sort of sight(s) and you might want to swap out the A2 grip as well, but a new grip is certainly not required.
The Colt OEM, 1or 2, is all you need. Add your preference of rail, optic and furniture and you’re good to go.
everready73
02-27-23, 14:01
This is a really cool option. You'll also need some sort of sight(s) and you might want to swap out the A2 grip as well, but a new grip is certainly not required.
If you don't want to worry about the rail and stock the Colt Trooper is just 1100 and complete minus sites
https://www.guns.com/firearms/rifles/semi-auto/colt-m4-le-trooper-223-rem-5-56-nato-30-rounds-16-1-barrel-new?p=706067&avad=234121_b2ec0abb9
Beat Trash
02-27-23, 14:34
https://www.guns.com/firearms/rifles/semi-auto/colt-carbine-5.56-223-rem-5-56-nato-semi-auto-30-rounds-16-barrel-new?p=370993&avad=211021_c2ec08801&utm_source=AvantLink&utm_campaign=35987&utm_medium=df_NA
Colt CR6960 is a midlength gas system. This site has them for $1,000.
Defaultmp3
02-27-23, 14:39
I've not heard too much about it, positive or negative, but the IWI Zion-15 is 720 USD for first responders and military, including retired, and is a middy. Being from a relatively large manufacturer, I'd imagine they would at least get you taken care of if you have issues.
That being said, meh, why go budget? I personally would rather scrimp some more to get a known quantity, or give up on the middy and get the Colt, even if it is a carbine.
This would be my choice as well. IWI makes some nice stuff for the price. The below price is without MIL discount.
https://www.classicfirearms.com/iwi-z15tac16-zion-15-semi-automatic-ar-15-rifle-16-barrel-223-5-56nato-30rd-black/
Rifleman_04
02-27-23, 14:59
6920.
Not midlength but it’s ready to go right out of the box
https://www.guns.com/firearms/rifles/semi-auto/colt-carbine-5.56-223-rem-5-56-nato-semi-auto-30-rounds-16-barrel-new?p=370993&avad=211021_c2ec08801&utm_source=AvantLink&utm_campaign=35987&utm_medium=df_NA
Colt CR6960 is a midlength gas system. This site has them for $1,000.
That is a really good deal. OP only has to com up with an extra dollar! :)
Forget Radical, don't even consider it. I'd say the same about the S&W and the PSA as well. Here is a good option that just needs a decent adjustable stock (Magpul CTR would fit the bill nicely) and the handguard of your choice. These are the two most commonly replaced parts on any factory built AR15.
https://www.primaryarms.com/colt-le6920-oem-2-556-ar15-rifle-no-handguard-stock-16in and PA offers a 10% mil discount
MistoGators
02-27-23, 16:51
BCM barreled upper for $510 with free BCM BCG right now ($190 value).
Aero complete lower for around $200.
MOE handguard for around $35.
MBUS rear sight for around $50.
generic charging handle for around $20.
A question for those who think Colt is over rated-
Do you know enough about the failure points of the AR (particularly the "under rated" brands) to walk a new shooter through good troubleshooting steps? Can you identify the source of malfunctions without the usual "out-running the magazine" bullshit? Do you know the difference between "over gassed" and "under buffered"?
Not many do and that's why Colt's are not over rated.
zsnowman, get yourself a Colt 6920 or 6960.
Good and budget seem a bit contradictory....
One More Time
02-27-23, 18:00
A buddy picked up a Sig M400 a couple months ago for about $800
Mid length with a pinned gas block.
Seemed to run well and be fairly accurate with a red dot.
You could get a BCM with the current free BCG deal and come in just under or right at the $1000. Complete BCM lowers are just under $400 and a basic upper will be around $510, with free BCG, you will have to add a charging handle and rear sight if you get a front sight base model. The only middy I own is a BCM 14.5” with the PW A2X FH and it is a soft shooter no doubt but I can honestly say that my 4 Colts with carbine gas shoot just as soft if not softer with the smoothest being a 14.5” SOCOM. I really wouldn’t get hung up on the middy over carbine thing, a properly built/gassed carbine is more than fine and Colt does it right. S&W builds over gassed guns in my first hand experience, not saying they’re junk because I think they’re decent but for the minimal savings, not worth it. Sure you’re gonna get more recommendations for Colt, BCM etc. on this site than other sites but consider the source.
Yeah that Colt 6960 mid-length for $1000 is what I'd go with.
What budget AR15 for under $1000 would you recommend for home defense and range shooting 300 to 400 yards? I am 69 years old and retired from the Army (I can shoot an AR16 at a distance). I would prefer a mid-length gas port, 16-inch barrel. I plan on shooting it a lot, so I need a good barrel. I currently use a 12 gauge and would like something with a little less kick.
Are the Radical or PSA ARs dependable? I have read mixed reviews, some say they are good, some say they are junk.
Is the S&W M&P barrel with a 1:9 twist accurate out to 300, 400 yards?
Would the S&W be any better that the Colt?
If you're going to be using it for home defense, it means you would need to trust your life to it. In that case get a Colt. Forget PSA. S&W is not better than a Colt. Don't piece together a rifle like some here have suggested, get a factory made combat ready complete rifle. Midlength vs carbine gas is not important. What is important is that it goes bang every time and never lets you down when you need it. I would be hard pressed to pick anything over a 6920 for a rifle I would need to trust my life to. They are made for exactly that purpose.
I think colt makes a good budget entry level carbine. Like a 6720 or a 6920 if you like dumb barrel profiles. Both are not worth more than 1000$ and no one should ever spend more than that on one.
I'll second most on here and say go for the Colt or the IWI. I wouldn't waste my time on anything else as far as an out of the box gun, but you can probably build something to your liking for around $1250 that retail would cost you around $1750. I would also search tacswap and Armslist or the EE section here to find decent parts with low round counts.
CatBacker88
02-28-23, 09:08
A question for those who think Colt is over rated-
Do you know enough about the failure points of the AR (particularly the "under rated" brands) to walk a new shooter through good troubleshooting steps?
Can you identify the source of malfunctions without the usual "out-running the magazine" bullshit?
Do you know the difference between "over gassed" and "under buffered"?
Not many do and that's why Colt's are not over rated.
zsnowman, get yourself a Colt 6920 or 6960.
I don't usually say much here. I just read and try to learn as much as I can. This, right here, is solid advice and I would absolutely advise the same.
Yeah that Colt 6960 mid-length for $1000 is what I'd go with.
It’s a fantastic rifle that flies under the radar for some reason.
You might want to keep an eye out for Geissele blemish uppers, I have seen them pretty cheap.
PB
You might want to keep an eye out for Geissele blemish uppers, I have seen them pretty cheap.
PB
Dang dude! That is some "budget" you have PB! :)
Dang dude! That is some "budget" you have PB! :)
Go easy on a brother HK, I saw a blemish upper for about $600 if my memory serves me. I guess you can buy a full gun for that, but it won’t have a SSA trigger. :)
PB
Go easy on a brother HK, I saw a blemish upper for about $600 if my memory serves me. I guess you can buy a full gun for that, but it won’t have a SSA trigger. :)
PB
I did see these blem Geissele uppers onsale at Primary Arms recently, this plus a aero lower and an H or H2 buffer would probably come in at less than $1k, you could do a Larue or centurion trigger for less than a $100 which remarkably improves the standard milspec trigger
A buddy picked up a Sig M400 a couple months ago for about $800
Mid length with a pinned gas block.
Seemed to run well and be fairly accurate with a red dot.
Here's one for $875.00: https://www.classicfirearms.com/sigrm40016btrd-m400-16-tread-or-30r-tele/
Does the tube have that TREAD logo on it?
Here are some quality parts that you can purchase and assemble yourself. What you end up with is a quality AR at a really good price. Just ad the handguard and stock of your choice.
Sionics/Aero M4
Upper
$199 Sionics 16” Mid CL Barrel Medium Contour 1/8
$169 Sionics BCG
$15 Sionics Gas Tube
$15 Sionics Gas Block
$79 Aero Upper
Lower
$79 Aero M4
$89 Sionics LPK & Trigger
$100 Vltor A5 Buffer System
$23 MAGPUL Grip
$768 Total
Inkslinger
03-01-23, 06:09
Here are some quality parts that you can purchase and assemble yourself. What you end up with is a quality AR at a really good price. Just ad the handguard and stock of your choice.
Sionics/Aero M4
Upper
$199 Sionics 16” Mid CL Barrel Medium Contour 1/8
$169 Sionics BCG
$15 Sionics Gas Tube
$15 Sionics Gas Block
$79 Aero Upper
Lower
$79 Aero M4
$89 Sionics LPK & Trigger
$100 Vltor A5 Buffer System
$23 MAGPUL Grip
$768 Total
Here are some quality parts that you can purchase and assemble yourself. What you end up with is a quality AR at a really good price. Just ad the handguard and stock of your choice.
Sionics/Aero M4
Upper
$199 Sionics 16” Mid CL Barrel Medium Contour 1/8
$169 Sionics BCG
$15 Sionics Gas Tube
$15 Sionics Gas Block
$79 Aero Upper
Lower
$79 Aero M4
$89 Sionics LPK & Trigger
$100 Vltor A5 Buffer System
$23 MAGPUL Grip
$768 Total
That’s a sound parts list. There’s one other thing to consider though. That’s the end user’s ability to assemble those parts to make a properly functioning rifle. That may or may not be a factor with the op, but I would generally recommend a complete rifle to avoid any growing pains.
Here are some quality parts that you can purchase and assemble yourself. What you end up with is a quality AR at a really good price. Just ad the handguard and stock of your choice.
Sionics/Aero M4
Nothing wrong with that parts list, assuming the OP has the skills and interest to assemble.
When you're done you'll have a carbine that at best is worth on the used market half what you paid to build it. Just the nature of homebuilt mix and match ARs.
If you want to build and have the skills, then it's a fun way to get started.
To me it's the long way around to avoid buying a 6720, 6920, or 6960 for just a little bit more.
I started out building lowers and buying uppers. Then realized I could buy an LMT complete lower for about the same as I could build one, so I use them and built uppers out of DD parts.
Neither of those options make financial sense now when you can still get complete Colt 69xx carbines in the $800-900 range. (or potentially less if you find the right deal on an OEM1 or OEM2)
Rifleman_04
03-01-23, 10:27
https://www.bigtexordnance.com/product/solgw-legacy-rifle-16-mid-gas-liberty-fighting-trigger-l9-sons-of-liberty-gun-works/?utm_source=remarkety&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Wed%20YouTube%20030123&utm_content=&_rmId=9DQ8GlKldwilN1EOlO2ASZbKWonyYGCeMnZ5
Ready to go.
Hammer_Man
03-01-23, 10:50
https://www.bigtexordnance.com/product/solgw-legacy-rifle-16-mid-gas-liberty-fighting-trigger-l9-sons-of-liberty-gun-works/?utm_source=remarkety&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Wed%20YouTube%20030123&utm_content=&_rmId=9DQ8GlKldwilN1EOlO2ASZbKWonyYGCeMnZ5
Ready to go.
That’s a good buy right there. Will most likely be a fantastic rifle for somebody.
[Pulls pin and throws hand grenade]
https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-sabre-forged-13-7-mid-length-5-56-fsb-with-13-two-piece-quad-rail-and-jmac-gfhc-e-pin-weld-b5-rifle.html
Interesting specs with some upgrades that you wouldn't expect to see on a PSA rifle. Can't wait for someone to do a full review and burn down
Interesting specs with some upgrades that you wouldn't expect to see on a PSA rifle. Can't wait for someone to do a full review and burn down
@Mrgunsandgear, you're near PSA correct? I'd like to know if their QC has been upgraded along with the parts for this new "Sabre" series
@Mrgunsandgear, you're near PSA correct? I'd like to know if their QC has been upgraded along with the parts for this new "Sabre" series
That is the million dollar question, isn't it? They can use nice parts but if their assembly methods are sheeit it doesn't matter much.
One More Time
03-03-23, 11:48
Here's one for $875.00: https://www.classicfirearms.com/sigrm40016btrd-m400-16-tread-or-30r-tele/
Does the tube have that TREAD logo on it?
It's a newer one with it blacked out.
That yellow one would have to go.
Hammer_Man
03-04-23, 19:37
It's a newer one with it blacked out.
That yellow one would have to go.
IIRC the Tread logo is just a piece of plastic that can be removed from the M-lok easily.
hotbiggun42
03-04-23, 21:49
I would buy a PSA but for under $1000
https://armsunlimited.com/springfield-saint-victor-ar15-5.56mm-rifle-black/
For a range/target blaster, I've seen the below DPMS for $620-ish on some websites.
The good: Inexpensive. Specs look decent.
The questionable. Made by DPMS, now a sister company of PSA, I understand. Both under the JJE Capital umbrella. The Melonited barrel is a deal breaker for those who prefer a chromed bore.
https://dpmsinc.com/dpms-dr-15-20-5-56-nato-classic-a2-rifle-with-mbus-rear-sight-black.html
Sidneyious
03-11-23, 18:56
I honestly would just get a colt if its an actual colt.
Its the basic milspec rifle with some good to go parts.
Its a very bland gun but it will probably out live your grand kids.
I dont trust psa and would rather go buy the $850 M&P my lgs sells and take the extra $150 and buy a cheap sig optic and a sling.
I have a Colt 6920 and an 11.5” PSA… which is now an SBR.
The Colt is actually the only AR I bought complete. Mainly got it because we have M4s and 6920s at work. Very happy with it… and actually got it for $899 off PSA. Having a good extra AR never is a bad thing… if you can do it.
My 11.5” PSA was originally built as a Heat clone. I used an M4 Carbine lower (third position is “burst”). It has a Fostech Echo trigger. Completely a fun gun, but after confirming function, I’d have zero hesitation using it for defense. I do have two sets of forends… one thin and the standard one has an IWC mount with Surefire light (I like options).
When I got the PSA pistol kit, the front sight post was canted. I got it zeroed, but this is what the rear sight looked like.
https://i.imgur.com/jz5TNWM.jpg
Spoke to PSA via AR15.com, as their CS rep over there does get stuff done. Sent it back and while it isn’t perfect, the zeroed rear sight is pretty close to centered. Gun runs extremely well.
Also need to consider PSA has really stepped up their QC. Think it really started getting good when the AKs got to GF3. Their original builds… more were prone to issues. Will issues still arise? Yea, they have been really putting out a metric crap ton of firearms over the past couple years. There are A LOT of gun owners who might not be gun owners if it wasn’t for PSA and their availability. Definitely need to give them credit for that.
Am I saying that PSA guns should be everyone’s go to firearm? Absolutely not. But if someone is on a budget and doesn’t have the funds to purchase something at the Colt level or better… PSA is actually a good value and can serve you well. I do recommend putting it thru it’s paces, and if there are issues… contact PSA to fix it.
BuzzinSATX
03-11-23, 20:42
I have a Colt 6920 and an 11.5” PSA… which is now an SBR.
The Colt is actually the only AR I bought complete. Mainly got it because we have M4s and 6920s at work. Very happy with it… and actually got it for $899 off PSA. Having a good extra AR never is a bad thing… if you can do it.
My 11.5” PSA was originally built as a Heat clone. I used an M4 Carbine lower (third position is “burst”). It has a Fostech Echo trigger. Completely a fun gun, but after confirming function, I’d have zero hesitation using it for defense. I do have two sets of forends… one thin and the standard one has an IWC mount with Surefire light (I like options).
When I got the PSA pistol kit, the front sight post was canted. I got it zeroed, but this is what the rear sight looked like.
https://i.imgur.com/jz5TNWM.jpg
Spoke to PSA via AR15.com, as their CS rep over there does get stuff done. Sent it back and while it isn’t perfect, the zeroed rear sight is pretty close to centered. Gun runs extremely well.
Also need to consider PSA has really stepped up their QC. Think it really started getting good when the AKs got to GF3. Their original builds… more were prone to issues. Will issues still arise? Yea, they have been really putting out a metric crap ton of firearms over the past couple years. There are A LOT of gun owners who might not be gun owners if it wasn’t for PSA and their availability. Definitely need to give them credit for that.
Am I saying that PSA guns should be everyone’s go to firearm? Absolutely not. But if someone is on a budget and doesn’t have the funds to purchase something at the Colt level or better… PSA is actually a good value and can serve you well. I do recommend putting it thru it’s paces, and if there are issues… contact PSA to fix it.
All PSA products I’ve bought have been solid. Zero complaints and no issues to date.
I avoided them when they first came out, but about 2018, I bought a complete upper that I use with a CMMG .22 bolt and it shot thousands of rounds of cheap bulk .22 and is “coke can accurate” out to 50 yards.
I’ve since bought a KS47 that I seriously like a lot and a PA-10 Gen 2 that shot fine but was heavy so I sold it to a buddy. That gun shoots sub MOA in .308 and 18” barrel.
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BCM barreled upper for $510 with free BCM BCG right now ($190 value).
Aero complete lower for around $200.
MOE handguard for around $35.
MBUS rear sight for around $50.
generic charging handle for around $20.
When I bought my first AR I essential did the same build, (except I went with complete lower BCM blemished lower). Their free BCG promotion is a smoking good deal. I have several BCM ARs and you’ll be happy with the one of their uppers.
everready73
03-13-23, 09:31
If you can stretch to $1200 you can get a really nice rifle. Looks like Sionics switched up their pricing structure a little bit.
You can get their 16 middy with chrome lined barrel for $1200 if you go with the phosphate bcg and no sights. These used to be $1600 with the NP3 bcg and mbus pros. I have several of their phosphate BCG that include OCKS screws and they are really good, so no big loss there IMO.
Also comes with Magpul stock and grip and Radian Raptor charging handle. Pretty good value overall
https://sionicsweaponsystems.com/lawenforcement/sionics-patrol-rifle-three/
All PSA products I’ve bought have been solid. Zero complaints and no issues to date.
I avoided them when they first came out, but about 2018, I bought a complete upper that I use with a CMMG .22 bolt and it shot thousands of rounds of cheap bulk .22 and is “coke can accurate” out to 50 yards.
I’ve since bought a KS47 that I seriously like a lot and a PA-10 Gen 2 that shot fine but was heavy so I sold it to a buddy. That gun shoots sub MOA in .308 and 18” barrel.
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For the record, the canted front sight post upper was purchased end of October 2020.
BuzzinSATX
03-13-23, 19:13
For the record, the canted front sight post upper was purchased end of October 2020.
I was not saying PSA is perfect, and at their price point, I really wouldn’t expect them to be.
My limited experience with PSA is positive. I think they are better than they were 10 years ago. But everyone makes stuff sub-par from time to time.
I bought a Staccato P Duo a couple years back. After a couple hundred rounds, I had a problem. I sent the gun in. They repaired it and it was fine. They are an excellent company and fast turnaround on the part they owned up to being out is spec.
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Didn’t imply anything… just was giving more perspective for my post.
I'm guessing that, for example, PSA's and DPMS' A4 clones are pretty much identical as far as components?
Primary arms sends out this model dropped to $400 occasionally.
https://www.primaryarms.com/andro-corp-industries-bravo-556-ar15-rifle-16in
Eurodriver
03-14-23, 18:00
For the record, the canted front sight post upper was purchased end of October 2020.
Man that’s recent. I thought they fixed that like 8 years ago
ChattanoogaPhil
03-29-23, 15:37
BCM upper with free BCG is tough to beat for the price.
I have a Colt 6920 and an 11.5” PSA… which is now an SBR.
The Colt is actually the only AR I bought complete. Mainly got it because we have M4s and 6920s at work. Very happy with it… and actually got it for $899 off PSA. Having a good extra AR never is a bad thing… if you can do it.
My 11.5” PSA was originally built as a Heat clone. I used an M4 Carbine lower (third position is “burst”). It has a Fostech Echo trigger. Completely a fun gun, but after confirming function, I’d have zero hesitation using it for defense. I do have two sets of forends… one thin and the standard one has an IWC mount with Surefire light (I like options).
When I got the PSA pistol kit, the front sight post was canted. I got it zeroed, but this is what the rear sight looked like.
https://i.imgur.com/jz5TNWM.jpg
Spoke to PSA via AR15.com, as their CS rep over there does get stuff done. Sent it back and while it isn’t perfect, the zeroed rear sight is pretty close to centered. Gun runs extremely well.
Also need to consider PSA has really stepped up their QC. Think it really started getting good when the AKs got to GF3. Their original builds… more were prone to issues. Will issues still arise? Yea, they have been really putting out a metric crap ton of firearms over the past couple years. There are A LOT of gun owners who might not be gun owners if it wasn’t for PSA and their availability. Definitely need to give them credit for that.
Am I saying that PSA guns should be everyone’s go to firearm? Absolutely not. But if someone is on a budget and doesn’t have the funds to purchase something at the Colt level or better… PSA is actually a good value and can serve you well. I do recommend putting it thru it’s paces, and if there are issues… contact PSA to fix it.
Never in my life have I seen, let alone owned, an AR with a canted front sight and I got my first AR in 1981 and the high water mark of most ARs in my personal collection was something like 42 variants (it's now more like 20). Can't front sights are something I expect to occasionally encounter, but would never buy, on AKs back when they were $300.
We aren't a commie country where wonky sights are ok and scopes have reticles which travel all over the field of view. That crap is just unacceptable.
Never in my life have I seen, let alone owned, an AR with a canted front sight and I got my first AR in 1981 and the high water mark of most ARs in my personal collection was something like 42 variants (it's now more like 20). Can't front sights are something I expect to occasionally encounter, but would never buy, on AKs back when they were $300.
We aren't a commie country where wonky sights are ok and scopes have reticles which travel all over the field of view. That crap is just unacceptable.
Agreed. Was the only AR I’ve ever seen that on. Of course we hear horror stories about bad QC with every manufacturer… but I was shocked with it as it is more common with imported AKs (my WASR is actually straight, as is my AK-P).
If I got a similar issue with the Colt, I’d be pissed… but what more can be done other than send it back? I wouldn’t have the conscience to pawn it off on someone else, unless they were fully aware of it. Only other gun I have with a FSB is my ADCO built NM A4 upper (traded it on my Tavor)… wouldn’t expect it on that.
But need to also consider that I paid $400 for that PSA pistol parts kit. Receiver… a few odds/ends (to include one of those retro H&R stocks) and a binary trigger… the gun is just a fun toy. Never an issue with any magazine dump or anything else. I understand that some people don’t have the disposable income as I do… so if it’s between a PSA and no gun… I rather the PSA (if they confirm it is good to go).
Putting the rounds thru it, I feel confident that after adjusting the FSB, it is good to go. Again, it’s not one that I’m going to run as a defensive gun… but wouldn’t hesitate if I needed to.
Agreed. Was the only AR I’ve ever seen that on. Of course we hear horror stories about bad QC with every manufacturer… but I was shocked with it as it is more common with imported AKs (my WASR is actually straight, as is my AK-P).
If I got a similar issue with the Colt, I’d be pissed… but what more can be done other than send it back? I wouldn’t have the conscience to pawn it off on someone else, unless they were fully aware of it. Only other gun I have with a FSB is my ADCO built NM A4 upper (traded it on my Tavor)… wouldn’t expect it on that.
But need to also consider that I paid $400 for that PSA pistol parts kit. Receiver… a few odds/ends (to include one of those retro H&R stocks) and a binary trigger… the gun is just a fun toy. Never an issue with any magazine dump or anything else. I understand that some people don’t have the disposable income as I do… so if it’s between a PSA and no gun… I rather the PSA (if they confirm it is good to go).
Putting the rounds thru it, I feel confident that after adjusting the FSB, it is good to go. Again, it’s not one that I’m going to run as a defensive gun… but wouldn’t hesitate if I needed to.
If it was me and they can't make it acceptable or replace it, refund my money.
I bought a Colt Hbar used on GB and it has some FTF issues that I just couldn't trouble shoot no matter what I checked. Sent it to Colt and it came back with a new upper. Keep in mind I was not the original owner.
It is possible to get a bad example of anything, the difference is how much the manufacturer gives a damn about what they send out.
Hearing about out of spec KAC receivers from other posters is mind blowing, I'd definitely be sending those to KAC for replacements.
Sidneyious
04-03-23, 16:08
Keep in mind I was not the original owner.
This is why I like some companies more than others.
Yes I will pay a little more for that peace of mind.
That said I have purchased outside of that realm a lot recently because quite frankly I wasnt waiting for a restock notification.
Im still waiting on some places to restock some stuff and its been 3 years.
I gave up and moved on, if I have to replace it then that means im paying a little more again.
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