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Currently have a 14.5” barrel with a muzzle break on it, flat shooting gun but it is like a dragon when I shoot it, wanted it to be my go to but everything I have read not good for flash reduction.
Wondering if I should have the muzzle brake cut off and have a flash hider pinned and welded or am I over thinking it and should leave it alone?
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I would, because brakes are obnoxious, and because I can do it without a goonsmiff. A2X or Fossa 556 would be my choice if I didn’t have cans.
I would have to have it done by my local LGS.
The muzzle device is not can adaptable nor could I put a BMD either.
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davidjinks
03-05-23, 09:47
I hate breaks unless they’re being used solely for a suppressor, I.E. the can never comes off.
I am currently using the Deadair flash hiders with Keymo. I find they do a great job at flash mitigation and they don’t ring. And latter on down the road I can throw on a Deadair can.
Currently have a 14.5” barrel with a muzzle break on it, flat shooting gun but it is like a dragon when I shoot it, wanted it to be my go to but everything I have read not good for flash reduction.
Wondering if I should have the muzzle brake cut off and have a flash hider pinned and welded or am I over thinking it and should leave it alone?
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My recommendation, designed for 14.5"barrels, and interfaces with a number of suppressors:
https://www.griffinarmament.com/taper-mount-stealth-flash-suppressor-2-25/
El Vaquero
03-05-23, 10:24
Take a look at the closed tine Surefire Warcomp. Not quite as good flash suppression as the regular closed tine but you get the ported holes on top.
Don’t look at the three pronged Warcomp. That has a lot of flash.
Take a look at the closed tine Surefire Warcomp. Not quite as good flash suppression as the regular closed tine but you get the ported holes on top.
Don’t look at the three pronged Warcomp. That has a lot of flash.
Watched a few videos of this at night. Almost non existent flash.
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For your study:
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/ar-15-flash-hiding-test-2/
Thanks.
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I've never used this one, as I have no interest in P&W barrels, but this Flash Hider is thin enough that a .750 gas block will fit over it, thus negating one of the biggest reasons not to P&W a barrel.
https://adamsarms.net/product/vdi-manimal-extended-flash-hider/
I have used a couple of the Yankee Hill Machine Phantom 5C2 I believe it is, the one without the teeth. Very nice machining if you are into that. Like an A2 it needs timing.
I'm a big fan of the Bravo Company extended A2. Excellent flash supression.
titsonritz
03-05-23, 15:55
I would, because brakes are obnoxious, and because I can do it without a goonsmiff. A2X or Fossa 556 would be my choice if I didn’t have cans.
Yeah mine too...
https://i.imgur.com/2OyPmOz.jpg
The bitch is...good luck finding a FOSSA, they are most often unobtanium. You've got to be extra patient for one, which makes a P&W a bit of an obstacle.
BTW there are suppressors that will work with these MDs like the Gemtech HALO and Griffin’s GP-N.
For my non suppressed rifles I use the FOSSA 5.56. For my 18" Reece/DMR type rifle I use a Precision Armament AFAB hybrid muzzle device. For my 11.5" suppressed carbine I like the Dead Air Xeno Threaded Taper Mount Flash hider.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpy4DEMrd2M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCCB8zmBIuE
titsonritz
03-06-23, 02:40
For my non suppressed rifles I use the FOSSA 5.56. For my 18" Reece/DMR type rifle I use a Precision Armament AFAB hybrid muzzle device. For my 11.5" suppressed carbine I like the Dead Air Xeno Threaded Taper Mount Flash hider.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpy4DEMrd2M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCCB8zmBIuE
I'm feeling predictable now, I have an AFAB on my 18" SOLGW SPR'ish gun.
Another vote for removing it. Brakes on ARs get old very quickly.
Hammer_Man
03-06-23, 07:56
If you plan to run a suppressor, buy a MD that will mount whichever suppressor you want. I run Surefire 3 and 4 prong flash hiders almost exclusively because I have a Surefire can. A lot of suppressor manufacturers are starting to use 1.375x24 threads, which will work with Q plan B, and Dead Air Keymo adapters and mounts.
The best flash hider is the SEI Vortex. Has that changed?
Hammer_Man
03-09-23, 13:37
The best flash hider is the SEI Vortex. Has that changed?
It’s still one of the best AFAIK.
The best flash hider is the SEI Vortex. Has that changed?
It’s still one of the best AFAIK.
If not THE, certainly one of the best.
The old Phantom is good in a pinch!
https://i.imgur.com/iF41wGp.jpg
Sidneyious
03-09-23, 14:21
Im really liking the yhm new srx
https://i.ibb.co/F6KqwX3/Photo-Nov-21-2022-9-28-45-AM-1-38372-1669071533.jpg (https://ibb.co/XXbksDL)
Very much YHM Phantom-esque!
I went a different route for now.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230310/b115f8ade74e31974af6c845d4c031e5.jpg
I will figure out what to do with the fire breathing dragon at a later date.
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Lord. We pulled the suppressor off of a 14.5 this weekend and it had the Breakout AAC mount. Holy Smoke! That sucker was obnoxiously punishing. Just miserable. I'd forgotten how awful a break is on a 14.5
Lord. We pulled the suppressor off of a 14.5 this weekend and it had the Breakout AAC mount. Holy Smoke! That sucker was obnoxiously punishing. Just miserable. I'd forgotten how awful a break is on a 14.5
First time I took my wife shooting was indoors with an 11.3” and brake. It didn’t recoil a lot, but my head was ringing.
I just test fired a new upper that Trajectory Arms set up for me.
FCD 6315km on a proof research 14.5" barrel. Very soft shooting with no bark at all.
The other two muzzle devices I've tried (aside from the A2 Flash hider) are PWS brake, and BCM's gunfighter. I ended up cutting the PWS off the barrel due to brain damage concerns. The BCM, on the other hand seemed a little loud, but no brain damage.
On my 16" GPR I've got a VG6 Gamma muzzle brake. It was a little annoying for person on either side of me due to blast, though I was fine behind it.
I added a VG6 Cage device, which mitigated most of the blast for persons on either side, but left the muzzle jump control intact.
https://www.vg6precision.com/vg6-gamma-556
https://www.vg6precision.com/vg6-cage-device
https://youtu.be/eQ1v92okAho
I would put on whatever not obnoxious, flash hider or suppressor mount that makes sense for your purposes. In the mean time install a properly ported gas tube from Black River Tactical.
If you want a carbine to shoot soft then get it properly gassed and forget about a muzzle brake. Black River makes this easy.
I would put on whatever not obnoxious, flash hider or suppressor mount that makes sense for your purposes. In the mean time install a properly ported gas tube from Black River Tactical.
If you want a carbine to shoot soft then get it properly gassed and forget about a muzzle brake. Black River makes this easy.
The amount of foolishness that came out of years of over-gassed barrels is astonishing. I'd love to put a foot in the ass of every mongo who spec'd barrel ports too large. DD's .081-.083 10.5" barrels??? I'd love to punch that retard into a coma!
On my 16" GPR I've got a VG6 Gamma muzzle brake. It was a little annoying for person on either side of me due to blast, though I was fine behind it.
I added a VG6 Cage device, which mitigated most of the blast for persons on either side, but left the muzzle jump control intact.
https://youtu.be/eQ1v92okAho
The CAGE does work nicely. I used to have one on a midlength of mine, but eventually swapped it out and I think its on something else now.
The amount of foolishness that came out of years of over-gassed barrels is astonishing. I'd love to put a foot in the ass of every mongo who spec'd barrel ports too large. DD's .081-.083 10.5" barrels??? I'd love to punch that retard into a coma!
I think all of that came around the time that people were crying their KAC guns weren't working well when fired dry and dirty with Tula. Everyone took notice in the MFG world and wanted no part of the pile on. Once they figured out most people didn't know or understand the difference, it was open season on barrel ports.
Circle around years later, and DD gets lambasted for using one size on milspec MK18 barrels, and one size for civilian barrels.
I think all of that came around the time that people were crying their KAC guns weren't working well when fired dry and dirty with Tula. Everyone took notice in the MFG world and wanted no part of the pile on. Once they figured out most people didn't know or understand the difference, it was open season on barrel ports.
Circle around years later, and DD gets lambasted for using one size on milspec MK18 barrels, and one size for civilian barrels.
Yeah. The crap ammo being used by dirt blasting imbeciles was a factor. But the port on DDs barrels was the epitome of the dumb assery the lead to people saying the AR "shits where it eats", and "let's make a piston version" to solve problems brought on by morons who spec'd ports ridiculously badly.
I once had a 16" barrel with carbine gas that was so harsh I had it cut down to 11.5" with no change to the gas port. At first I was worried that it wouldn't have enough gas to work, but it still doesn't short stroke even with an H2 installed, regardless of ammo.
The first time I shot a properly gassed, flat shooting carbine it was a revelation. It almost makes brakes or comps obsolete.
I once had a 16" barrel with carbine gas that was so harsh I had it cut down to 11.5" with no change to the gas port. At first I was worried that it wouldn't have enough gas to work, but it still doesn't short stroke even with an H2 installed, regardless of ammo.
The first time I shot a properly gassed, flat shooting carbine it was a revelation. It almost makes brakes or comps obsolete.
I genuinely want to put foot in over-gassers asses! Remember the O-rings in extractors? So much stupidity due to these ass clowns.
To be fair, about half the time back then we needed O-rings just because the extractor springs sucked if they weren't heavy duty Colts. But yes we did put up with and have to learn how to fix or diagnose a lot of problems over the past twenty years just to get ARs to work because of over gassing issues.
Sorry for the thread drift.
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