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Dude makes no apologizes about enjoying putting people down he felt were "pure evil" and gives details
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A buddy told me of an LE shooting where it was a NO BRAINER use of lethal force where the cop went and cried about it. WTF?
A buddy told me of an LE shooting where it was a NO BRAINER use of lethal force where the cop went and cried about it. WTF?
I'm not gonna pass judgement on how some may react after killing someone. There's some evil people out there who deserve no tears to be sure.
A buddy told me of an LE shooting where it was a NO BRAINER use of lethal force where the cop went and cried about it. WTF?
An adrenaline rush like that may be enough tot trigger an emotional response alone, whether it appears warranted or not.
Even if it wasn’t that, just because the guy deserved to die, doesn’t mean that cop wanted to be the one to do it.
While I certainly haven’t been responsible for an evil person dying, the closer I’ve been to death and the more frequently that’s happened, the harder it’s been for me to compartmentalize it into different categories.
Suicide, combat, accident, illness, etc.
At times, it’s seems that it’s all death and all bad.
Now again, none of these guys were bad, but the point being that abnormal human reactions and emotions feel reasonable to me when it comes to death.
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A buddy told me of an LE shooting where it was a NO BRAINER use of lethal force where the cop went and cried about it. WTF?
It can be heavier than you’d expect, even for people that you wouldn't expect.
dreamcrusher8307
03-23-23, 17:25
A buddy told me of an LE shooting where it was a NO BRAINER use of lethal force where the cop went and cried about it. WTF?
Part of this could also be the realization that for the next several years you may be dealing with criminal, administrative, and civil hearings, no matter how open and shut the case is.
A buddy told me of an LE shooting where it was a NO BRAINER use of lethal force where the cop went and cried about it. WTF?
I've never been in a gunfight but I've dropped a decent amount of bombs in the GWOT. I tend to think the level of stress associated with the event, and how prepared you are to deal with that, can be just as difficult to deal with than the actual act of killing someone.
I tend to be somewhat confucianist about this and believe it is evil to forgive evil and to be good you must destroy evil.
This is my biggest disconnect with christian thought.
A buddy told me of an LE shooting where it was a NO BRAINER use of lethal force where the cop went and cried about it. WTF?
I've seen guys in the military do the same, not everyone can manage the mindset. Lots of people begin both thinking "I'll be able to help people and make the world a better place." Many do not understand until it is much too late that the world they are trying to help is populated by some exceptionally evil individuals who are capable to doing exceptionally horrible things to the people who deserve it the least.
Even when they take lives and save lives, it can still f them up very badly because they never thought they'd actually have to do it and it was much more traumatic "to them" then they ever imagined it could be. I knew a female officer that joined the Ft. Lauderdale narcotics squad ("Raiders") who was basically recruited from the ranks so they could have a more diverse group. She thought she was good to go and they constantly reinforced the notion that she was a good fit.
Then they had a bad night where she shot two people, one of whom has just shot another officer, and it was a 100% "needed to happen" event but it completely f'd her up and she never got over it. She left the Raiders team before the investigation was even concluded and within a year was no longer employed as a police officer. She had a hard time finding another job in related fields because "she quit" and everyone assumed she must have done something wrong.
I am Jewish and as a result I know the 10 commandments say don't murder, rather than the mistranslated don't kill.
I have killed, I have never murdered anyone.
When I moved back to the USA, I learned that after so much in my past and living in a war zone had me operating in just normal life at a much higher level of intensity.
Which I refuse to call PTSD.
I remember we had a family emergency in the middle of a war, so all of my brother in laws and I returned to Israel. I grabbed a ride on a chopper and landed in a government helipad in Jerusalem . I had to borrow money from one of the people there to pay for the taxi. I was in jeans, t shirt chicom web gear, Hi Power in shoulder holster and a AK 47. The security at the place I landed had to tell the taxi driver I was cool and not a terrorist. When I got to the hospital, I was greeted by security pointing guns at me. I gave them a phone number to call and it all was cool.
I went into the hospital and checked in on how the mother in law was. 4 of us stunk to high heaven and were dirty having come straight from the war. After a few hours we went to my father in laws house to eat. As we were eating we were talking about the war which included of course stories of killing people and even one of us had shot down a chopper full of Syrian commandos. We were laughing our @sses off.
Such is boys and war
Averageman
03-24-23, 07:36
Part of this could also be the realization that for the next several years you may be dealing with criminal, administrative, and civil hearings, no matter how open and shut the case is.
Some part of me beleives this might be true.
I have a Brother that's a Single Dad with three kids at home. He retired as an E-8 and went to work as a local Sherriff's Depuity. It's a small Community is Southern Arizona, but it is very political. I worry about him there, because they've thrown more than one guy under the Bus in the past.
I spent all my time in Combat Arms, did the do in the first Gulf War and put four rings on my gun tube. Shooting Tanks, PC's or Arty Pieces never bothered me and yes, they were manned.
I did however shoot a guy with my M-2 from the Commandeer Coupla, that occasionally visits my bad dreams. I can promise you I never cried for that guy, but I think about that MF'er specifically from time to time. He kind of came apart like a dropped cracker.
You have to get past it though and lead a life, I mean that's why you came back right?
Wife, Kids, House, Family?
I was lucky, I stayed in the Army for another 9 years and retired, so I was surrounded by guys who were going through the same thing.
You just have to learn that life is more than the past, it's about your future
Averageman
03-24-23, 07:36
Doubled.
Men have been living with their past lives forever, some more successfully than others.
Time heals most all wounds !
Part of this could also be the realization that for the next several years you may be dealing with criminal, administrative, and civil hearings, no matter how open and shut the case is.
Really good point, not to mention being judged by friends, family and media who think your stress levels indicate guilt.
Averageman
03-24-23, 19:12
Men have been living with their past lives forever, some more successfully than others.
Time heals most all wounds !
And Whiskey heals the others.
A buddy told me of an LE shooting where it was a NO BRAINER use of lethal force where the cop went and cried about it. WTF?
There is a big difference between zapping some OSA that you encounter while on active duty abroad and putting rounds in someone here in CONUS. There is stress involved in both, but taking the life of someone in your community could cause you more stress, regardless of their perceived value based on their conduct and criminal history.
Criminal prosecution and civil liability are secondary considerations.
Averageman
03-24-23, 20:02
There is a big difference between zapping some OSA that you encounter while on active duty abroad and putting rounds in someone here in CONUS. There is stress involved in both, but taking the life of someone in your community could cause you more stress, regardless of their perceived value based on their conduct and criminal history.
Criminal prosecution and civil liability are secondary considerations.
Here's the thing, you live in the community and you so as an individlal you as an individual might be able to handle the Heat, but how about your wife? Your Kids, their Daycare, the gardener, pool tech, etc?
A lot of heat from these things seems to radiate heat before the whole story is ever told.
Even after the story is told, you better hope you didn't get thrown under the bus by inuendo or outright liars in order to keep the peace in a small town.
FromMyColdDeadHand
03-25-23, 10:57
Really good point, not to mention being judged by friends, family and media who think your stress levels indicate guilt.
Crap, that is something that I never even thought of. If anything I’d think someone actually ‘guilty’ would NOT exhibit much. Outside of of some personal variance, I’d assume the more affected, the worse the event that caused the effect.
Crap, that is something that I never even thought of. If anything I’d think someone actually ‘guilty’ would NOT exhibit much. Outside of of some personal variance, I’d assume the more affected, the worse the event that caused the effect.
The more decent a person you are, the more you second guess your own actions. Literal sociopaths like Hillary don't even remember all the evil shit they do.
I can think of a dozen cops off the top of my head who HAD to shoot somebody to save lives and it f'ed them up for life. They couldn't stop second guessing themselves no matter how much they talked to a therapist. Lots of their social circles who don't understand the first damn thing about being a cop either distanced themselves because the situation was uncomfortable (which made them feel even more like they did something wrong) or just decided "he has a case of the guilties" and then they think about every mistake that person made in their entire life and think they see a pattern of wrong doing. Never mind that the guy on his worst day doesn't even come close to some of the shit the people who were judging him have done.
When there is a process in place where you have to justify everything you do, you start from a position of "prove you are innocent, prove you didn't make any mistakes." I understand why it is like that, but it's one hell of a thing to sit in that chair. Right from the gate they begin from a position that the person who was trying to kill "cops, kids, anyone in the room" was a person whose life was somehow more important than yours and you have to 100% justify taking it.
Add in attorney's for the surviving family who can make a guy who saved girl scouts from a serial killer second guess his actions and lots of really decent people fall apart. The guy who is your attorney as often as not, is from some LE association and while he is defending you he is also being extremely cautious to not anchor his career to your experience and if he even thinks it might go bad he will recommend some BS deal that isn't in your best interest regardless of how completely justified the shooting may have been.
And Whiskey heals the others.
Just remember that poison and medicine are close cousins, separated by dose, and booze has a narrow therapeutic index. A lot of great men have lost a lot to that one.
Just remember that poison and medicine are close cousins, separated by dose, and booze has a narrow therapeutic index. A lot of great men have lost a lot to that one.
Well said. Alcohol doesn’t heal anything, it’s just covers it up for a little while.
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I am all for a once a year getting together with brothers in arms, burning some meat and then settle down to a night of drinking and talking.
So far the only down side to it has been, one of the group a real serious guy and a great friend at about 2 am if we are in a home starts stripping and more than once we have found him sleeping it off naked. Even on the kitchen table once.
But no more than that one night, does the booze flow like that for me.
fedupflyer
04-07-23, 18:56
This is a good time to recommend the book "On Killing" by Lt Col Dave Grossman.
He goes into the psychology and physiology aspects of violence and war.
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