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SearchMe
03-30-23, 15:34
1. If the ban is defeated, will the price of an AR pistol increase or decrease?

2. If the ban remains in force, will the price of an AR pistol increase or decrease?

markm
03-30-23, 16:10
I don't see the prices moving either way. People would either just have to take off the brace, or leave it on. Or say "Eff Off" and do whatever they want.

JediGuy
03-30-23, 16:43
IWI Zion 125 SBR’s were $400 this week.

Obvious, massive drop specifically because they are selling with a stock vs brace.

Buckaroo
03-30-23, 20:39
IWI Zion 125 SBR’s were $400 this week.

Obvious, massive drop specifically because they are selling with a stock vs brace.

Where?

lysander
03-31-23, 05:22
The only time new restrictive laws effect price is when existing items are exempted ("grandfathering"), as the supply of legal items is now limited.

In this case, (and in all subsequent restrictive laws, IMO) there will be no grandfathering, and things will either be legal, with normal pricing rules, or illegal.

Screwball
03-31-23, 06:04
In this case, (and in all subsequent restrictive laws, IMO) there will be no grandfathering, and things will either be legal, with normal pricing rules, or illegal.

Only increase in value I think would be those who get an amnesty SBR…

So you get a SBR exempt of engraving. If you wanted to sell it, would someone prefer an AR that just has the original manufacturer stamps on it… or own with those and someone’s name/location on it? I think you’ll see more Form 3s occurring with those SBRs at higher prices.

mark5pt56
03-31-23, 06:50
Currently, nobody wants any "pistol" To address the price going up if the rule is overturned-why would one pay more for something that they could purchase otherwise and do a form 1?

My opinion and my opinion only
If it's the 200 the govt wants-simply do a point of sale fee and the dealer submits monthly tax collected.
Should there be any NFA?
The ATFE should've never allowed the braces to begin with, it created the current problem and folks did use it to their advantage to avoid the 200 tax, like it or not it's the truth.

Aside from the should the NFA be a thing, I don't really care about the 200, make it a point of sale so there's no waiting. You still have to pass the check.

lysander
03-31-23, 07:24
Only increase in value I think would be those who get an amnesty SBR…

So you get a SBR exempt of engraving. If you wanted to sell it, would someone prefer an AR that just has the original manufacturer stamps on it… or own with those and someone’s name/location on it? I think you’ll see more Form 3s occurring with those SBRs at higher prices.

Why would anyone pay more for and pistol-SBR conversion?

If I want an SBR, I buy an SBR. . .

markm
03-31-23, 07:35
Why would anyone pay more for and pistol-SBR conversion?

If I want an SBR, I buy an SBR. . .

True. And I don't know of many cases where an SBR is transferred from end user to end user. Not worth the ass ache... and the reason I never sold any of my suppressors.

"Make" or buy an SBR is easier. Then you just have one idiot, or one idiot and a dealer. A two idiot transaction isn't worth it.

SearchMe
03-31-23, 12:39
Thanks for your posts.

If the BATF pistol brace regulation remains in effect, my understanding is that existing AR15 pistols with braces removed will remain legal. Am I right? I use the term "pistol" to mean an AR15 with a barrel shorter than 16" and no stock, built on a lower receiver that was never part of any rifle.

If the above is true, can the pistol in question have a standard 5-position buffer tube, or must it use a smooth pistol buffer tube?

flenna
04-01-23, 08:47
If the above is true, can the pistol in question have a standard 5-position buffer tube, or must it use a smooth pistol buffer tube?

It depends:
1. What party do you vote for?
2. What gender do you identify as?
3. How many diversity boxes do you check?

Depending on how you answer determines whether you get 10 years in Club Fed or just a wink and a nod. Seriously though, if you read the proposed rules even if you meet every single criteria for a pistol if they “decide” you are trying to circumvent the law then they will say it is an SBR anyway. How objective do think that determination will be? The only way to not lose the game is to just don’t play it.

SearchMe
04-01-23, 16:45
It depends [...] on how you answer determines whether you get 10 years in Club Fed or just a wink and a nod. Seriously though, if you read the proposed rules even if you meet every single criteria for a pistol if they “decide” you are trying to circumvent the law then they will say it is an SBR anyway. How objective do think that determination will be? The only way to not lose the game is to just don’t play it.
Sad but true. I'm on the loosing end of all those parameters, but we will overcome in the end.

I want to put together an AR pistol, but don't want to put hundreds of $ into a project that might never see the light of day. And of course, if I do it I want make purchases when prices are as low as possible. That could mean now or later, depending on what happens to prices relative to whatever happens with the damn ban.