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https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/revere-hotel-boston-fbi-botched-training-cheryl-fiandaca-wbz/#
BOSTON – WBZ-TV I-Team sources say the FBI, along with other federal agents, entered the wrong hotel room as part of a training exercise.
Sources told WBZ chief investigative reporter Cheryl Fiandaca that mistakes were made as federal agents conducting a mock investigation in the middle of the night woke up an airline pilot who had no idea what was going on.
They handcuffed the man and interrogated him for nearly an hour before realizing their mistake, sources said.
It happened on the 15th floor of the Revere Hotel on Stuart Street.
Vic Hartman, a former 25-year veteran of the FBI, said the training exercise in public does not make sense to him.
Way to go feeebs!
At least you clowns didn’t call in the ATF and burn the hotel down on your way out.
FromMyColdDeadHand
04-06-23, 07:32
Why I leave my dog at home ;)
An hour before they figured it out?
Sounds like an off-book operation that went sideways…
SomeOtherGuy
04-06-23, 11:47
The level of competence, judgment and wisdom I've come to expect from the .gov in 2023.
Collapse and renewal cannot come soon enough.
titsonritz
04-06-23, 12:24
Since it was a "training exercise" did that have live ammo? I just imagine the dude rolling off behind the bed and lighting them up.
CAG was in on it, too. The hit went fine. The ISR guys effed up. Uncle Sugar gonna be paying out on this one.
“Vic Hartman, a former 25-year veteran of the FBI, said the training exercise in public does not make sense to him.”
If you want to police state like the Cheka, you need to train like the Cheka.
Randomly terrorizing innocent people through incompetence is a feature for the police state, not a bug.
FromMyColdDeadHand
04-06-23, 14:15
Hmmmm…. 45 minutes? And they used a shower? I know they say DOD, but this was an ‘FBI’ opp, right?
So, in 45 minutes I think that even an innocent person would eventually say the word “Lawyer”…
Did they read him his rights? Training op, so it was filmed for after-brief, right?
Not sure how much this is worth. I’d start at $5million, net to me. Pain and suffering- he can’t stay in hotel rooms anymore…
WillieThom
04-06-23, 15:01
CAG was in on it, too. The hit went fine. The ISR guys effed up. Uncle Sugar gonna be paying out on this one.
Before I even finished reading the OP’s post I thought, “Delta” and “culminating exercise.”
Here’s the audio of the 911 call.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2023/04/06/fbi-us-army-members-raid-wrong-hotel-room-arrest-guest-vpx.cnn
Feebs and CAG are sooooo soooory..... :lol:
Coal Dragger
04-06-23, 16:53
Well looks like some dudes probably just failed OTC.
Incompetency and corruption is why America has lost its standing.
Averageman
04-06-23, 17:32
So, is "Hand Cuffed in the Bathroom" code for "We were waterboarding the shi+ out of those guys?
WillieThom
04-06-23, 17:46
Incompetency and corruption is why America has lost its standing.
Sounds like we better………… prepare.
Johnny Rico
04-06-23, 18:00
Why are folks referring to CAG? You do realize the pilot is with Delta Airlines, not Delta Force?
So some random dude who didn't do jack gets his door kicked in and gets treated to some WWE meets gangsta water park type hijinks. Why do I think this "real world training" didn't go awry at all. Seems to be exactly what the fleebs want to do in the real world, to everyone.
ETA: Dude should just consider himself lucky the FBI didn't just make some shit up and bury him in a supermax for life to keep him quiet.
Averageman
04-06-23, 18:09
So some random dude who didn't do jack gets his door kicked in and gets treated to some WWE meets gangsta water park type hijinks. Why do I think this "real world training" didn't go awry at all. Seems to be exactly what the fleebs want to do in the real world, to everyone.
I actually wondered if it was real world snatch and grabbed the wrong guy.
Why are folks referring to CAG? You do realize the pilot is with Delta Airlines, not Delta Force?
The unit which was working with FBI was CAG. Just a different Delta from the Delta pilot. The Delta pilot, that was just delicious irony.
Johnny Rico
04-06-23, 19:01
Thanks for clearing that up.
Dude should just consider himself lucky the FBI didn't just make some shit up and bury him in a supermax for life to keep him quiet.
We make jokes about him being lucky he didn’t have his dog with him or they didn’t frame him to cover it up… but it’s coming. The police state gets worse from here.
As for CAG, it’s just a best guess because we know they sometimes work/train with the FBI HRT. From the CNN article linked above: “Members of the FBI and the US Army Special Operations Command…”
Thanks for clearing that up.
I'm slow too, I had to read it three times before I was able to tell that both Delta were represented in this screwed up mess.
So they waterboarded some random guy for an hour before they figured out they were in the wrong room? But, if they were in the “right” room they would have waterboarded the willing participant for an hour? None of that adds up.
So they waterboarded some random guy for an hour before they figured out they were in the wrong room? But, if they were in the “right” room they would have waterboarded the willing participant for an hour? None of that adds up.
Makes you wonder how many people abroad have been killed due to a "mixup". It hapoens here with no knock raids... how many do we not hear about?
I'm slow too, I had to read it three times before I was able to tell that both Delta were represented in this screwed up mess.
Maybe three, who was the manufacturer of the shower fixture? :)
FromMyColdDeadHand
04-07-23, 00:59
So they waterboarded some random guy for an hour before they figured out they were in the wrong room? But, if they were in the “right” room they would have waterboarded the willing participant for an hour? None of that adds up.
THat was my point with the 'lawyer' comment. Unless they are TRAINING to violate people's rights..
How does CAG get around Posse Comitatus, not to be the whiny British twit in "Sacario"...
From what I understand, Posse Comitatus does not apply to them.
So let's say they got the right bad guy and not a Delta Airline pilot and things went the same way.
Since when do we water board criminals in the USA?
EVERYONE involved in this should go to prison F*@cking Bunch of Idiots. That is what FBI stands for. A bunch of FBI agents that for sure at 50% are lawyers see no problem in torturing an American citizen inside the USA.
CAG was in on it, too. The hit went fine. The ISR guys effed up. Uncle Sugar gonna be paying out on this one.
LOL yeah, not just a Delta pilot involved!
From what I understand, Posse Comitatus does not apply to them.
I'll bet the FBI portion of this clusterfvck was HRT. Can't picture CAG working with lowly Feeb "speshul agents".
The shower part is definitely worth raising an eyebrow over. You guys really think they were waterboarding him in there? I dunno. Doubt you'll ever hear the details. That pilot will be paid well to keep his mouth shut and details of the op will never be released, 'cause national security/OPSEC and all.
He wasn't being water boarded.
How does CAG get around Posse Comitatus, not to be the whiny British twit in "Sacario"...
"We" (the military) train with civilian agencies a lot. A LOT. There's no 'posse comitatus' issue to get around.
From what I understand, Posse Comitatus does not apply to them.
Posse Comitatus absolutely applies to CAG.
He wasn't being water boarded.
Dude, don't go there. You know that. I know that. About five other people here know that. The rest are thinking this is an extension of Jade Helm 15 and they are training to take us to FEMA camps.
I got no idea what happened to the pilot. Going by the stories he did get roughed up and held in a running shower. At an open and operating hotel.
Of course, at least he's alive. NM cops just up and killed this guy for the crime of sleeping in his own home.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-mexico-police-responding-domestic-violence-call-visit-wrong-address-fatally-shoot-resident-inside
Averageman
04-07-23, 08:53
He wasn't being water boarded.
Wanna bet?
So I break in to your hotel room and rough you up, if I drag your butt in to the bathroom it's not to check if you brushed your teeth.
Your going face first in to the water until you can answer all my questions.
Simply no other reason to go in the bath room is there?
Wanna bet?
So I break in to your hotel room and rough you up, if I drag your butt in to the bathroom it's not to check if you brushed your teeth.
Your going face first in to the water until you can answer all my questions.
Simply no other reason to go in the bath room is there?
Well....
I KNOW he knows some of the TTPs. I don't know that you know any of the TTPs.
But in any case, they will never confirm or deny, so your assumption doesn't negate his. But I will say that anyone who knows any of the TTPs or has been through SERE has a clue about water boarding.
Wanna bet?
So I break in to your hotel room and rough you up, if I drag your butt in to the bathroom it's not to check if you brushed your teeth.
Your going face first in to the water until you can answer all my questions.
Simply no other reason to go in the bath room is there?
B'okay.
Unless they are TRAINING to violate people's rights..
Just why in hell do you think the feeebs were there, moral support? The only think missing from this quagmire was the ATF, possibly that detective from Chicago that was running his own black site...
Well....
I KNOW he knows some of the TTPs. I don't know that you know any of the TTPs.
But in any case, they will never confirm or deny, so your assumption doesn't negate his. But I will say that anyone who knows any of the TTPs or has been through SERE has a clue about water boarding.
Probably ran cold-ass water over him buck nekked. That'd be a helluva way to be awakened. While stranger things have occurred, I am having a hard time picturing water boarding as the method of use regarding the shower.
It's hard to hear what people outside of a room are talking about when you're locked in a bathroom with water running.
Posse Comitatus absolutely applies to CAG.
Well to be honest if I’m being held hostage by some really bad hombres at the local Chinamart I’d much rather have CAG coming for my ass than the line of kitted up clowns I’m sure to see here locally to me. :eek:
Wanna bet?
So I break in to your hotel room and rough you up, if I drag your butt in to the bathroom it's not to check if you brushed your teeth.
Your going face first in to the water until you can answer all my questions.
Simply no other reason to go in the bath room is there?
Yup!
But holy hell. I’m not anything special just a guy who’s 6 ft and 220 who’s got a few scars from my time as a street cop and I’m absolutely sure I’ll be headed to the ER in need of serious medical attention but at least one of those shitbags is going to the ER with me and will remember for ever what’s it’s like to have his face or his balls ripped off by a guy fighting for his life.
OK I went back over the thread and see the water boarding was inserted later in the thread, so we only know he was put into the shower at this time.
The rest of what I said stands. You go in and see in 5 minutes that things are messed up. Apologize for waking the person up and leave.
OK I went back over the thread and see the water boarding was inserted later in the thread, so we only know he was put into the shower at this time.
The rest of what I said stands. You go in and see in 5 minutes that things are messed up. Apologize for waking the person up and leave.
Apparently that's just about what happened. They knew very quickly, had him medically checked out, and declined transport/eval.
Averageman
04-07-23, 10:19
Probably ran cold-ass water over him buck nekked. That'd be a helluva way to be awakened. While stranger things have occurred, I am having a hard time picturing water boarding as the method of use regarding the shower.
Headlock, turn on the shower and point it straight in his face.
Maybe not water boarding per se, but it will get the job done.
WillieThom
04-07-23, 11:00
Apparently that's just about what happened. They knew very quickly, had him medically checked out, and declined transport/eval.
Nope!
They waterboarded him, threatened his family, made fun of his wee-wee, waterboarded him some more, blasted him with cold water, then hot, then luke-warm, and then he got a swirly. No medical evaluation. No apologies. Just straight-up ass-whoopin’. How do I know all this? Because I was there. Just like everyone else here, besides you and the one or two others who actually know what they’re talking about.
Yes! You walk among giants. I bet you never realized how many M4C posters took the Long Walk, completed OTC, and then went into an operational squadron. Basically all of us. That’s how we know for sure so much of what took place in that hotel room. Because we were all there.
FACTS!
FromMyColdDeadHand
04-07-23, 11:01
"We" (the military) train with civilian agencies a lot. A LOT. There's no 'posse comitatus' issue to get around.
Posse Comitatus absolutely applies to CAG.
Just because it was training?
Dude, don't go there. You know that. I know that. About five other people here know that. The rest are thinking this is an extension of Jade Helm 15 and they are training to take us to FEMA camps.
Not a cop, but how many times do you take down a hotel room and end up with the people in the bathroom? Now, I'm not saying that the guy didn' piss or crap himself- not going to cast judgement on that.
Too bad the guy is probably bound up in an NDA, the story he could tell could be hilarious. Comedy is pain plus time.
Nope!
They waterboarded him, threatened his family, made fun of his wee-wee, waterboarded him some more, blasted him with cold water, then hot, then luke-warm, and then he got a swirly. No medical evaluation. No apologies. Just straight-up ass-whoopin’. How do I know all this? Because I was there. Just like everyone else here, besides you and the one or two others who actually know what they’re talking about.
Yes! You walk among giants. I bet you never realized how many M4C posters took the Long Walk, completed OTC, and then went into an operational squadron. Basically all of us. That’s how we know for sure so much of what took place in that hotel room. Because we were all there.
FACTS!
To be fair I doubted the waterboarding thing. That said, it was a massive FVCK UP. Fortunately the guy wasn't injured (apparently).
Not sure why anyone would be surprised by the "crack" FBI screwing up yet again. Shouldn't this be expected at this point?
Isn't this the same "crack" organization that pre-fed the lies and propaganda to the MSM on the Hunter Biden laptop and to this day have done nothing with the contents or the compromised usurper occupying 1600. Clearly they don't have time for any real law enforcement.
Defund the FBI and ATF.
Good opportunity for a deep breath and a lane check for some.
OK I went back over the thread and see the water boarding was inserted later in the thread, so we only know he was put into the shower at this time.
The rest of what I said stands. You go in and see in 5 minutes that things are messed up. Apologize for waking the person up and leave.
LOL! No... it was closer to an hour and involved a 911 call and a response by BPD...
They handcuffed the man and interrogated him for nearly an hour before realizing their mistake, sources said.
It's hard to hear what people outside of a room are talking about when you're locked in a bathroom with water running.
Yes, we don’t need to get into wild conspiracy theories about water boarding when there are more reasonable explanations.
They had to figure out how to best cover up the hit, and you don’t want the mistaken target listening in. Just go through with disappearing him even though it’s the wrong guy? Maybe plant kiddie porn on his laptop? Lucky for him “training mistake” is what they decided on.
It's hard to hear what people outside of a room are talking about when you're locked in a bathroom with water running.
Sounds good.
https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartIV/TitleI/Chapter265/Section26
Coal Dragger
04-07-23, 15:44
Too bad the guy is probably bound up in an NDA, the story he could tell could be hilarious. Comedy is pain plus time.
Why would the victim be bound by an NDA?
Would you sign an NDA under those circumstances? I wouldn’t.
Why would the victim be bound by an NDA?
Would you sign an NDA under those circumstances? I wouldn’t.
Neither would I.
I'd expect to see careers ended, I'd want to see people in jail.
I don't care how much money I was offered to sign.
Neither would I.
I'd expect to see careers ended, I'd want to see people in jail.
I don't care how much money I was offered to sign.
I doubt they’d offer money, more likely they would threaten prosecution for some uber obscure national security bullshit if you didn’t sign.
Neither would I.
I'd expect to see careers ended, I'd want to see people in jail.
I don't care how much money I was offered to sign.
If I had to speculate wildly I would assume he resisted at least a little after being jumped in the night. I can certainly see the fleebs leveraging charges for "assault of a federal officer" in exchange for a release of liability and a NDA.
Again just wild speculation based on 0.0 facts and my rampant distrust of federal law enforcement. I'm just responding to the posed hypothetical question.
So I'm piling zero facts on top of zero facts, all based on some blurbs from some rather low information news stories. God I love the internet! ;)
Coal Dragger
04-07-23, 17:53
I doubt they’d offer money, more likely they would threaten prosecution for some uber obscure national security bullshit if you didn’t sign.
That wouldn’t hold up in any court of law.
The feds and US Army roped old boy into this shit show against his will. They have zero legal leverage to force him into Jack or shit.
Heads need to roll. All of them.
Diamondback
04-07-23, 18:00
Nazi Sturmtruppen gonna Nazi Sturmtruppen, 'nuff said.
Neither would I.
I'd expect to see careers ended, I'd want to see people in jail.
I don't care how much money I was offered to sign.
I'd tell 'em I want a brand new Colt M4A1 (the real deal), and they hand-walk the application through the ATF NFA process tomorrow. Maybe an HK416 instead.
:cool:
Who cares? Why is this a big deal? If I was at a hotel and I got jumped by a bunch of FBI and Delta dudes, if it was even Delta by the way, when it was all said and done I would hope they'd be like hey we're real sorry here's a coin and I'd be like hey that was ****ing awesome high five boys. It's not going to shatter me for the rest of my life.
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Diamondback
04-07-23, 19:00
That wouldn’t hold up in any court of law.
The feds and US Army roped old boy into this shit show against his will. They have zero legal leverage to force him into Jack or shit.
Heads need to roll. All of them.
No, not roll, be mounted on pikes and prominently displayed Pour Encourager Les Autres.
Who cares? Why is this a big deal? If I was at a hotel and I got jumped by a bunch of FBI and Delta dudes, if it was even Delta by the way, when it was all said and done I would hope they'd be like hey we're real sorry here's a coin and I'd be like hey that was ****ing awesome high five boys. It's not going to shatter me for the rest of my life.
Oh I dunno, maybe when you see shit like that podunk New Mexico PD that killed the guy the other night because they got the wrong house, that you'd expect the tip-of-the-spear .mil and HRT Feebs to perhaps be a little more accurate in their targeting? Just spit-balling of course.....:rolleyes:
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Who cares? Why is this a big deal? If I was at a hotel and I got jumped by a bunch of FBI and Delta dudes, if it was even Delta by the way, when it was all said and done I would hope they'd be like hey we're real sorry here's a coin and I'd be like hey that was ****ing awesome high five boys. It's not going to shatter me for the rest of my life.
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Not everyone is in to being held against their will.
WillieThom
04-07-23, 19:28
I'd tell 'em I want a brand new Colt M4A1 (the real deal), and they hand-walk the application through the ATF NFA process tomorrow. Maybe an HK416 instead.
:cool:
I like your style.
I like your style.
New shit brother, not some weapon with 5K rounds through it! :cool:
Coal Dragger
04-07-23, 20:30
Who cares? Why is this a big deal? If I was at a hotel and I got jumped by a bunch of FBI and Delta dudes, if it was even Delta by the way, when it was all said and done I would hope they'd be like hey we're real sorry here's a coin and I'd be like hey that was ****ing awesome high five boys. It's not going to shatter me for the rest of my life.
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Not just no, but F-No.
As a guy who travels for a living I will observe that my time resting in the hotel is pretty important. I imagine it’s the same for an airline pilot. Plus if something goes down at the hotel as stupid as this it means old boy isn’t getting his rest to safely operate a flight the next day and get home. Not sure how the airline would handle it, but my guess is poorly and probably results in loss of income and delays getting home.
There’s no fun and games here, just lots and lots of stupid. Everyone involved from the top down, should get shit canned.
Good take on what seems to be the known detail.
https://youtu.be/g4W5k1q05W8
Posse Comitatus absolutely applies to CAG.
I remember reading with the second inauguration that this changed.
Not just no, but F-No.
Wait!? So you’re saying a challenge coin from delta wouldn’t make getting water boarded in the middle of the night by our government better?
Dude… it’s a challenge coin. You can’t just get one anywhere.
FromMyColdDeadHand
04-08-23, 09:42
So it sounds like the pilot opened the door. Not sure it makes much of a difference. Frankly, let them forcible open the door. Not my property.
"What's the password..."?
Outside of some cash:
-Being picked up by a Little Bird for my next High School Reunion
-A ride in Joe Biden's corvette
-Refuse a BJ from Kamala
-Tour of the secret tunnels under Denver Airport
-Air Force flyover on my birthday every year
And if there were a stewardess in the room? Might explain why the pilot is being docile... :)
SomeOtherGuy
04-08-23, 10:21
Wait!? So you’re saying a challenge coin from delta wouldn’t make getting water boarded in the middle of the night by our government better?
Dude… it’s a challenge coin. You can’t just get one anywhere.
Get a t-shirt that says "I was tortured in a covert op gone stupid and all I got was this lousy t-shirt."
Diamondback
04-08-23, 10:44
Make it a challenge coin and whatever meatpipe-smoker that sicced them on me like human attack-dogs and his family gets the same treatment as I just did WHILE I WATCH from the Good Guy Side of the line and we're talking.
Who cares? Why is this a big deal? If I was at a hotel and I got jumped by a bunch of FBI and Delta dudes, if it was even Delta by the way, when it was all said and done I would hope they'd be like hey we're real sorry here's a coin and I'd be like hey that was ****ing awesome high five boys. It's not going to shatter me for the rest of my life.
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Hmmmm…. 45 minutes? And they used a shower? I know they say DOD, but this was an ‘FBI’ opp, right?
So, in 45 minutes I think that even an innocent person would eventually say the word “Lawyer”…
FBI answers that one by playing this on an endless loop 'Against the law to lie to a Federal Agent...Against the law to lie to a Federal Agent... Against the law to lie to a Federal Agent...Against the law to lie to a Federal Agent...Against the law to..........'
Hey, I just realized I wasn't on PF. Disregard.
So it sounds like the pilot opened the door. Not sure it makes much of a difference. Frankly, let them forcible open the door. Not my property.
"What's the password..."?
Outside of some cash:
-Being picked up by a Little Bird for my next High School Reunion
-A ride in Joe Biden's corvette
-Refuse a BJ from Kamala
-Tour of the secret tunnels under Denver Airport
-Air Force flyover on my birthday every year
And if there were a stewardess in the room? Might explain why the pilot is being docile... :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0vy33Br_3s
Diamondback
04-11-23, 17:55
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0vy33Br_3s
"Why, when we can just shoot your dog, your kids and then you if you ever talk?"
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