View Full Version : Whats happening with the pistol brace ban?
settingsuns
04-16-23, 11:05
You guys are always keeping up to speed. I see tons of firearms with pistol braces installed all on the internet, from AR's to CZ's. What's really happening?
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People are waiting for the Black Robes to rescue them from a potential BS felony.
Good luck with that......
bamashooter
04-17-23, 07:10
The usual. Capon owners are caving in. Not surprising.
hoopharted
04-18-23, 18:47
People are waiting for the Black Robes to rescue them from a potential BS felony.
Good luck with that......
why would anyone need to be rescued from a felony , take the brace off , you only have to worry about a felony if you keep it on and start posting pictures on the internet which i am sure the Reddit weirdos will do
i hate this sky is falling crap "we are all felons now" ,its ridiculous , were you arrested? charged? convicted? kind of requirements to being a felon
why would anyone need to be rescued from a felony , take the brace off , you only have to worry about a felony if you keep it on and start posting pictures on the internet which i am sure the Reddit weirdos will do
i hate this sky is falling crap "we are all felons now" ,its ridiculous , were you arrested? charged? convicted? kind of requirements to being a felon
Yes, take the brace off, but it's still in your possession. I don't care what the ATF says, but having a AR pistol and an uninstalled brace in the same home is just asking for trouble. Many are hoping to keep a $60. to $200. brace just in case the black robes rule in their favor. That juice is just not worth the squeeze.....
Nor would I SBR it. Just get rid of the brace, and if we get a court ruling favorable then just go buy another brace or retrieve it from a non AR pistol owning friend..
I have no AR pistols, I would gladly store a brace for a fellow gunny who wants it out of their immediate possession.
This is not "the sky is falling crap" this is serious business and we all need to protect ourselves from corrupt government oversite.....
why would anyone need to be rescued from a felony , take the brace off , you only have to worry about a felony if you keep it on and start posting pictures on the internet which i am sure the Reddit weirdos will do
Yes, I really don't like the government telling me that my 11.5 inch is now more deadly because of a "brace" that might be shouldered v. my 14.5, 16 and 20" guns with much more velocity coming out of those barrels. I've got so many other uppers and stocks, it really isn't the biggest deal. Luckily for the AFT, all my braces fell into the Mississippi, it was somewhere south of St Paul and north of New Orleans
Yes, take the brace off, but it's still in your possession. I don't care what the ATF says, but having a AR pistol and an uninstalled brace in the same home is just asking for trouble. Many are hoping to keep a $60. to $200. brace just in case the black robes rule in their favor. That juice is just not worth the squeeze.....
Nor would I SBR it. Just get rid of the brace, and if we get a court ruling favorable then just go buy another brace or retrieve it from a non AR pistol owning friend..
I have no AR pistols, I would gladly store a brace for a fellow gunny who wants it out of their immediate possession.
This is not "the sky is falling crap" this is serious business and we all need to protect ourselves from corrupt government oversite.....
How many meters from your pistol is required? Is there a time limit by foot/car/moped needed to separate it? If I were gay and had a brace... I wouldn't do a GOD DAMNED thing differently right now.
How many meters from your pistol is required? Is there a time limit by foot/car/moped needed to separate it? If I were gay and had a brace... I wouldn't do a GOD DAMNED thing differently right now.
This. Don't register. Don't comply. Falling for the "free stamp" BS means you are essentially admitting to the ATF that you are committing a felony as the rule went into effect as soon as it hit the register back in January. So anyone who owned a brace at that point was a felon in their eyes. Registering under the "amnesty period" means you are providing a government agency with proof that you committed a felony. I'm sure that will never come back to haunt anyone.
bobcatdriver
04-20-23, 16:56
This. Don't register. Don't comply. Falling for the "free stamp" BS means you are essentially admitting to the ATF that you are committing a felony as the rule went into effect as soon as it hit the register back in January. So anyone who owned a brace at that point was a felon in their eyes. Registering under the "amnesty period" means you are providing a government agency with proof that you committed a felony. I'm sure that will never come back to haunt anyone.
Perhaps it would be nice to hear from forum members who have taken advantage of the "free stamp". You are not admitting to any type of "felony" by applying for this. The legal headaches would be more than the system could bear if this was the intention.
That's exactly what you're doing. The rule clearly states that a pistol braced equipped rifle with a barrel length of under 16 inches is now classified as an SBR. If you posess an unregistered SBR you're subject to being charged with a felony and I believe it's a 250k fine. And this rule took effect in January. When you submit your "free" form 1 you are required to also submit a picture of your brace equipped "rifle" along with all of the other details. You are admitting to being in possession of an unregistered SBR as per the new brace rule. You're giving them all the evidence they'd need to prosecute you if they wanted to. Want to guess what happens if they reject your Form 1? Knock, knock...
Rifleman_04
04-20-23, 17:35
They essentially pulled the same bs with solvent trap suppressors last year did they not?
They did. They rejected a bunch of them and then notified people they were illegally in possession of a can. I think that one was a little more vague because technically guys only had possession of unfinished kits so the ATF would have had to prove constructive intent. But don't quote me on that.
And the doomsayers are here.
Other threads mention the legal protections in effect during previous and current amnesty.
However, to specifically address one item mentioned about, the picture does not have to include a pistol brace.
This. Don't register. Don't comply. Falling for the "free stamp" BS means you are essentially admitting to the ATF that you are committing a felony as the rule went into effect as soon as it hit the register back in January. So anyone who owned a brace at that point was a felon in their eyes. Registering under the "amnesty period" means you are providing a government agency with proof that you committed a felony. I'm sure that will never come back to haunt anyone.
I’m sure people said the same thing during the 68 MG amnesty period. Amnesty registered MGs command huge money now and unregulated MGs have to stay buried/hidden and are worth 10 years in prison.
Doomsayer? Nah. I just have zero faith in our government, specifically bureaucratic agencies who create arbitrary regulations that have the force of law, to respect our rights.
I’m sure people said the same thing during the 68 MG amnesty period. Amnesty registered MGs command huge money now and unregulated MGs have to stay buried/hidden and are worth 10 years in prison.
Apples to oranges. An individual can choose pay the tax and build a short barreled rifle after the amnesty ends, pin/weld or replace the barrel, or remove the barrel and sell the firearm on the open market. Hell, on an AR you can remove the brace and you no longer have a short barrel rifle.
A machine gun cannot be easily converted to a non-NFA firearm.
Andy
I also think we had a very different political climate in 86. Entire sections of the government weren't being weaponized to silence political opposition. But that's probably an entirely different thread.
Is it that different, though? We like to think “things are worser!” but my grandfather had plenty of unpleasant things to say about the assassinated Kennedy’s 40 years later. In the 1960’sc we were still coming off the New Deal and truly socialist experiments, supported by both parties, while also leveraging laws to subordinate Americans based on racial lines. Some things really aren’t that different.
Is it that different, though? We like to think “things are worser!” but my grandfather had plenty of unpleasant things to say about the assassinated Kennedy’s 40 years later. In the 1960’sc we were still coming off the New Deal and truly socialist experiments, supported by both parties, while also leveraging laws to subordinate Americans based on racial lines. Some things really aren’t that different.
You're probably right. We just see it more now due to all kinds of sources of information that we didn't have before.
why would anyone need to be rescued from a felony , take the brace off , you only have to worry about a felony if you keep it on and start posting pictures on the internet which i am sure the Reddit weirdos will do
i hate this sky is falling crap "we are all felons now" ,its ridiculous , were you arrested? charged? convicted? kind of requirements to being a felon
It’s more than that… If you have the brace anywhere in the house it falls under the ‘readily converted’ umbrella the ATF wrote into their new arbitrary rules.
Personally I don’t really care too much. I have one pistol brace and only because I was military and constantly moving. The intent was always to get it SBR’d and now that I’m retired that’s what I’m doing.
bobcatdriver
04-24-23, 12:50
It’s more than that… If you have the brace anywhere in the house it falls under the ‘readily converted’ umbrella the ATF wrote into their new arbitrary rules.
Personally I don’t really care too much. I have one pistol brace and only because I was military and constantly moving. The intent was always to get it SBR’d and now that I’m retired that’s what I’m doing.
Are you taking advantage of the tax free amnesty, or just straight out SBR'ing?
Are you taking advantage of the tax free amnesty, or just straight out SBR'ing?
Just straight up SBR’ing once I get around to it.
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