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I noticed on GunBroker that a seller has European CR6920's available for sale. The difference between them and the regular CR6920's is that all of the major parts are serialized and they come with a 10rd magazine. Has anyone here seen one? What are the specific parts that are serialized? Is there anything else that's different?
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/984882458
That's a new one for me. Very interesting. Looks like a decent price. Reminds me of those old German Mausers were every part, every bolt had a serial number.
I would think at least the bolt, barrel, upper and lower and serialized.
That's what I'd guess as well. The GunBroker link above shows that the seller has 100. The first one hasn't sold yet. Arms Unlimited's online inventory shows that they have 250 in stock. Of course, there's no way to know if they've sold any. Neither have sold one in a day, so I'm going to wait to see how their sales go. I suspect that they're not going to be hot sellers, so there's a chance that they'll have to lower the price to move those quantities. This kind of reminds me of the Mexican LE6920's that were offered for sale on GunBroker a few years ago. They got down to $600 each if I remember correctly. I'm not expecting these to get down that low, but they have room to drop in price some.
They seem neat. I’d pay 750$ for one.
the AR-15 Junkie
05-06-23, 13:11
Pretty sure that GB auction site is actually Arms Unlimited.
That would make sense as they seem to have some sort of connection for getting oddball Colt stuff.
the AR-15 Junkie
05-06-23, 13:41
That would make sense as they seem to have some sort of connection for getting oddball Colt stuff.
Both located in Las Vegas.
Arms Unlimited sold one over the weekend, so they're down to 249. For reference, they have 42 of the regular CR6920's available.
Hammer_Man
05-08-23, 11:20
Seems like a pretty good buy for someone in the market for a factory Colt. If I had the money to burn I’d buy one.
Arms Unlimited sold one over the weekend, so they're down to 249. For reference, they have 42 of the regular CR6920's available.
Gun broker still has 100 listed as available. These things are not exactly flying off the shelf
Seems like a pretty good buy for someone in the market for a factory Colt. If I had the money to burn I’d buy one.
$900 for one currently, it will be interesting to see how low they end up going for. I still kick myself for not picking up a 901 when they were cheap.
Arms Unlimited website is down to 232, so they've sold 18.
I wonder if it is a true .223 cut chamber.
I know some Euro countries ( and South Amer. countries ) don't allow Mil. chamberings
I wonder if it is a true .223 cut chamber.
I know some Euro countries ( and South Amer. countries ) don't allow Mil. chamberings
Interesting. On the Arms Unlimited site, clicking on any of the other Colt AR's, caliber is listed as 5.45X45 NATO (223 rem.), but on the Euro Colt, caliber is just listed as 223 Rem. If that's true, it's a no-go for me.
CDNN is selling one on GunBroker. The barrel indicates 223Rem with a 1/7 twist.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/989757369
Arms Unlimited lowered the price to $825, so I ordered one. I'll let you know if I find anything unusual aside from the serial numbers.
the AR-15 Junkie
11-14-23, 11:49
Interesting. On the Arms Unlimited site, clicking on any of the other Colt AR's, caliber is listed as 5.45X45 NATO (223 rem.), but on the Euro Colt, caliber is just listed as 223 Rem. If that's true, it's a no-go for me.
Its .223 for certain, vid below shows it conclusively.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-KjE8dSP9o
$900 for one currently, it will be interesting to see how low they end up going for. I still kick myself for not picking up a 901 when they were cheap.
Shit, I bought the Colt 6.5CM for $1,400 and kick myself for not buying 10 in 6.5 and 308 for $1,400. When I bought it I was like, this is dangerous but I'll take a shot.
PB
Shit, I bought the Colt 6.5CM for $1,400 and kick myself for not buying 10 in 6.5 and 308 for $1,400. When I bought it I was like, this is dangerous but I'll take a shot.
PB
I bought a 901 from Arms Unlimited. If it makes you feel any better, I had to return it for a refund. It was missing a part (like the bolt catch or something else, but I don't remember) and things in the box along with the box label didn't seem right. I called Colt and the nice lady I spoke with told me that the receiver left Cost as a part, not as a complete rifle. I called Arms Unlimited and they admitted that they had assembled the rifle from parts they got from Colt. They took it back and I bought a factory built 901 from someone else for about $100 more. Arms Unlimited does have cool Colt stuff, but I'm wary when purchasing from them.
I bought a 901 from Arms Unlimited. If it makes you feel any better, I had to return it for a refund. It was missing a part (like the bolt catch or something else, but I don't remember) and things in the box along with the box label didn't seem right. I called Colt and the nice lady I spoke with told me that the receiver left Cost as a part, not as a complete rifle. I called Arms Unlimited and they admitted that they had assembled the rifle from parts they got from Colt. They took it back and I bought a factory built 901 from someone else for about $100 more. Arms Unlimited does have cool Colt stuff, but I'm wary when purchasing from them.
Yeah, that is fine if its stated in print so you know what you are getting, but failing to disclose that is pretty bad.
Yeah, that is fine if its stated in print so you know what you are getting, but failing to disclose that is pretty bad.
Exactly. I could be wrong, but I suspect that the SBR linked below isn't a factory rifle. It looks to me like they took an M5 SBR and added a subcompact weapon folding stock to it.
https://armsunlimited.com/colt-m5-scw-sub-compact-weapon-556-semi-auto-10-barrel-cqb-rifle/
Exactly. I could be wrong, but I suspect that the SBR linked below isn't a factory rifle. It looks to me like they took an M5 SBR and added a subcompact weapon folding stock to it.
https://armsunlimited.com/colt-m5-scw-sub-compact-weapon-556-semi-auto-10-barrel-cqb-rifle/
Yes. They are indeed installing the SCW kits on factory rifles. The rifle did not leave from Colt that way. Maybe it’s fine, maybe it’s not, but they should plainly state that in the description.
The Colt CR6920-EC's are back in stock. However, this time they come with a quad rail and a 14.5" pin and welded barrel for $899. The previous ones with the M4 handguards and 16" barrel were $825.
https://armsunlimited.com/colt-carbine-223-semi-auto-rifle-w-quad-rail-14-5-pin-weld/
https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-6faujhppx4/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/1184/3162/signal-2024-04-02-140338_002__40899.1712092099.jpg?c=1
They're showing 100 in stock. There will be 99 left after I complete my order.
Damn! Tempting. We've been running the previous 6920 version for a few months now. Great gun.
the AR-15 Junkie
04-08-24, 23:14
Its basically identical to the European Colt 16" model from last year except for the 14.5" P/W and the Quad Rail. Rail is held in place with 4 Torx screws.
Chamber is definitely .223 using the M Guns gage you can see in the picture and the headspace is tight at 1.4636.
My only gripe was the inside of the Colt box was badly damaged from the gun during shipment and no plastic bag. As I was bitching about the plastic bag missing the guy at the counter said, oh we have that we threw it in the trash. So dumpster diving I went and I got that bag in good order. I fixed the box with some super brown tape for the most part.
The gun is perfect so I am happy!
Funny thing the gun guys at the counter felt the need to tell me the barrel was marked .223 and be careful of my ammo choice lol.
Like last years gun, 10rd PMAG, a lock and a Spanish manual.
the QR code scanned 21032024 so March 21, 2024 build date.
https://i.imgur.com/F5Kalcu.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/C1ynINB.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/Ra9xnVB.jpeg
On the .223 vs 5.56 chamber thing, CIP (like SAAMI, but for Euros) doesn’t differentiate between 5.56x45mm NATO and .223 Remington like we do for chamber minimum dimensions. IIRC, the CIP minimum dimension chamber is very similar to .223 Wylde, in that it has a .224” freebore but can fire proper 5.56 ammo.
I think most Euro nations require that the barrel and bolt to be serialized, with some requiring other parts also, and of course the receiver for US import. If you buy a Euro-made Glock or Beretta, you can see SNs everywhere, also.
the AR-15 Junkie
04-09-24, 13:40
On the .223 vs 5.56 chamber thing, CIP (like SAAMI, but for Euros) doesn’t differentiate between 5.56x45mm NATO and .223 Remington like we do for chamber minimum dimensions. IIRC, the CIP minimum dimension chamber is very similar to .223 Wylde, in that it has a .224” freebore but can fire proper 5.56 ammo.
I think most Euro nations require that the barrel and bolt to be serialized, with some requiring other parts also, and of course the receiver for US import. If you buy a Euro-made Glock or Beretta, you can see SNs everywhere, also.
On this rifle, the barrel, bolt, bolt carrier, upper and lower receiver all have Colt and the serial # engraved on it.
Chamber is definitely .223 using the M Guns gage you can see in the picture and the headspace is tight at 1.4636.
Wow. That's interesting. Beautiful gun by the way. I don't have a gauge, but based on Chrono comparisons and pressure indicators, the Euro 6920 I have behaves like a 5.56 chamber were several of my other carbines do not. (it chrono's slower than my 14.5s with pressure problems.)
As I was bitching about the plastic bag missing the guy at the counter said, oh we have that we threw it in the trash. So dumpster diving I went and I got that bag in good order. I fixed the box with some super brown tape for the most part
Gun store apes are more retarded than Postal Employees.
Forgot to mention….a CIP or Wylde chamber will fail that gauge.
Forgot to mention….a CIP or Wylde chamber will fail that gauge.
I want the reamer to fix my one Wylde chamber AND run in my suspect chambers. And now that I see the guage, I'm going to need that too.
the AR-15 Junkie
04-09-24, 20:07
I want the reamer to fix my one Wylde chamber AND run in my suspect chambers. And now that I see the guage, I'm going to need that too.
I have that reamer, works well in some barrels, one of the few tools of Neds I would buy.
Not reaming my Euro Colts, part of the charm of the rifle, for me.
https://i.imgur.com/llHpSm5.jpeg
I have that reamer, works well in some barrels, one of the few tools of Neds I would buy.
Not reaming my Euro Colts, part of the charm of the rifle, for me.
I can appreciate that. Do you plan to shoot the Euro or keep as a collector?
So dumb rookie question. I just want to confirm that since these are .223 barrels, not 5.56 barrels, you shouldn't/can't use 5.56 ammo like XM193. Saw some mention that it's like a wylde chambering, so would 5.56 be ok?
Honestly, that's what's kept me from getting one, since I already have a ton of 5.56 ammo, multiple US AR's and don't want to FU, grab this rifle without thinking and start running 5.56 through it.
So dumb rookie question. I just want to confirm that since these are .223 barrels, not 5.56 barrels, you shouldn't/can't use 5.56 ammo like XM193. Saw some mention that it's like a wylde chambering, so would 5.56 be ok?
Honestly, that's what's kept me from getting one, since I already have a ton of 5.56 ammo, multiple US AR's and don't want to FU, grab this rifle without thinking and start running 5.56 through it.
If the chamber specs are similar to wylde, then you should have no problems at all shooting 5.56 pressure ammo. I had high hopes when CZ purchased Colt, but so far everything they have put out is about as exciting as watching paint dry.
I hope things change in the future.
Someone should double-check this, but I believe CIP chambers are meant to digest 5.56x45 NATO ammo. They certainly do exactly that, in actual use. In the chamber minimum dimensions, a CIP chamber should have even more safety factor than Wylde, with a rather long freebore. The freebore diameter and length are labeled “check for safety reasons” on the drawing, and I doubt that warning gets ignored, with Euros being the way that they are. There are a couple other dimensions so labeled, as well.
The other dimensions seem to fall within the range of other .223 and 5.56 chambers, and I don’t see anything that would make me afraid to test it with 5.56-marked ammo.
While we know that the barrels are marked 223Rem, where are y'all getting the idea that they are chambered to CIP 223Rem specifications and not SAAMI specifications? I wouldn't assume that Colt reamed them to CIP specifications just because they were supposed to be sending the rifles to Europe. I can't imagine that they have both CIP and SAAMI 223Rem chamber reamers. Or, have I completely misunderstood something here?
So dumb rookie question. I just want to confirm that since these are .223 barrels, not 5.56 barrels, you shouldn't/can't use 5.56 ammo like XM193. Saw some mention that it's like a wylde chambering, so would 5.56 be ok?
Even if it was really a .223 chamber, it's not like the gun will blow up. You'd probably have diminished reliability with 5.56 (failure to extract, for example) and possibly popped primers.
I'd love to know for sure what the deal is, AND if the current run is chambered differently than the first 16" version. Mine definitely behaves like a 5.56 chamber. And I surely have some barrels that DO NOT behave.
the AR-15 Junkie
04-11-24, 09:17
Bolt Closes on 1.4636, does NOT close on 1.4646.
While we know that the barrels are marked 223Rem, where are y'all getting the idea that they are chambered to CIP 223Rem specifications and not SAAMI specifications? I wouldn't assume that Colt reamed them to CIP specifications just because they were supposed to be sending the rifles to Europe. I can't imagine that they have both CIP and SAAMI 223Rem chamber reamers. Or, have I completely misunderstood something here?
I’d be surprised if Colt sold these in Europe without a chamber that met CIP standards and proof loads. I think the Euros have pretty strict proofing regs.
The easy way to check this is to use a Hornady modified cartridge kit with a long flat-base bullet like the Speer 70gr seated backwards. When you remove the modified case from the chamber, the length of bullet-ass sticking out of the case is roughly freebore length.
I'm curious... is the 14.5 pin a Euro requirement? I thought that retarded shit was to accomodate US NFA stupidity.
the AR-15 Junkie
04-12-24, 14:18
I'm curious... is the 14.5 pin a Euro requirement? I thought that retarded shit was to accomodate US NFA stupidity.
I will proffer a guess as I have NO insider information. My guess is based on a lot of these Colt Contract over runs they have been selling.
As bad as Colt lately seems to like to proof mark parts, the fact that every part is proof marked Colt with the serial # and with Spanish language manuals tells me these were indeed made for the European market.
Here is my guess, say the contract called for 4000 rifles, Colt made a few extra like always. The 4000 14.5s sent to Europe had no pin and welds as not required there. The remaining extra 100 or so left over with 14.5 barrels were then P/W to meet NFA and sent off to Arms Unlimited to sell to us.
Thats just a guess, but one of my inside sources told me back in January to start saving my pennies as these Euro 14.5 P/Ws were coming.
So who knows.
Thats just a guess
Totally makes sense. I'm sure the end users on the export guns wouldn't be pin/weld required, so an overun modification for domestic sale makes sense.
the AR-15 Junkie
04-12-24, 15:12
Totally makes sense. I'm sure the end users on the export guns wouldn't be pin/weld required, so an overun modification for domestic sale makes sense.
Here is a video of mine. Front Sight is slightly canted but everything gauges out perfect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKYJ5yAtbWs
Arms Unlimited has sold out of the version with the 14.5" pinned & welded flash hider with quad rail. That didn't take long.
minuteman1636
04-24-24, 23:33
I'm curious... is the 14.5 pin a Euro requirement? I thought that retarded shit was to accomodate US NFA stupidity.
The European sales contract was for both 14.5" and 16" carbines. AU ended up with the 16" carbines first. The 14.5" barrels were p/w to make them easier to sell here on the U.S. market.
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