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Stickman
05-25-23, 10:32
This idea was kicked off by a thread in GD, and I figured we could give thought to it in this little slice of internet heaven as well.

"Fixing" these various institutions is not as difficult as people think.

Treat the DOJ like the military in one aspect.... ALL BRANCHES OF THE DOJ are subject to the same rules, and are hired based on the same test. Once in, the training is all the same. Once a new hire/ rookie has made it through basic, then they go to their AIT (advanced individual training) to get them up to speed on their assigned role. Once in assignment, they are given additional schooling, much in the same way things are done now. If the individual wants to promote up, they can look at other branches of DOJ, or wait for slots to open. Individuals are ROTATED THROUGH DIFFERENT ASSIGNMENTS AND LOCATIONS without an option to stay unless they are TDY a certain amount of time. This doesn't need to be every 3 or 4 years, it can be a little longer, but rotations strongly disturbs corruption and cronyism (or good ole boy programs).

Each DOJ branch has to use the same system of purchasing as the military through an already established system. That goes for everything from basic daily supplies through ammunition and weapons. Each DOJ branch answers to a civilian oversight committee. If this means the military gets additional offerings, that is great. Each branch has meetings with the President in the same manner as the military with a "Civilian" and DOJ commander. Think Sec of Army as well as Army chief of staff, and lastly, a chairman of the joint chiefs.


Anyone who has arrest and investigative powers should fall under this umbrella.

Perhaps more importantly, the names should be changed along with funding and personnel allotments for each DOJ branch. ATF does NOT need to be its own arm of the law. Take BATF and DEA and put them together, IRS should probably be put in with them as well. FBI, SS, CBP can all be added together as well. This breaks up the kingdoms which are built. TSA should be should be disbanded and the requirements for security should be placed on airport police and airport security. DOE and other smaller agencies should likewise be folded into one larger department. TSA should be given preferential hiring treatment for jail and court facilities as that is their alleged "forte.


LASTLY, and most controversial would be the deputizing of all NATIONAL GUARD MPs to work on an as needed basis as augmentees for DOJ positions. This option be optional for all NG members, not mandatory, and it should be looked at as a "shred" or additional MOS tasker. There is ZERO need to have infantry troops who are untrained deal with US border security, flying drones, searching cargo in ports etc. This should be an optional pool of manpower. The time used during federal days should obviously be counted towards retirement, much in the same way things are now for Guard troops.

The addition of NG involvement and "commissioning" or "deputizing" would boost military ranks, as well as increase pay and retirement. It would fill gaps in the various DOJ fields, and due to this, the DOJ would NOT NEED obscene amounts of manpower. The size of the agencies could easily be cut when they are lumped together, as well as reduced again when NG was available to fill the ranks as needed.

In the end, this would give more support, stronger overwatch, and greater capabilities for the DOJ. It would reduce costs and increase effectiveness of the DOJ as well as the NG.

Diamondback
05-25-23, 15:10
Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. :)

I would also add the legislative Oversight Committees having the authority to dismiss appointees and officers For Cause, without having to go all the way to the entire House/Senate to tell the guy at the top "either this person's fired, or you are and the next guy gets the same choice" when needed.

Clint
05-25-23, 17:27
Great ideas.

The smaller the .Gov, the better.

flenna
05-25-23, 18:50
Step one would be that Congress would want to fix the DOJ, and they don’t.

JediGuy
05-25-23, 19:02
Sounds like an improvementů

Do you think consolidation would centralize power and make the kingdoms larger and harder to hold accountable?

Diamondback
05-25-23, 19:06
JG, hence my proposal of adding a bypass where either Executive or Leg Oversight can give a bad-actor the boot. Ideally I'd also like to give both Judicial Branch and State gov in jurisdiction leverage too.

Budget
05-25-23, 19:23
Another issue is the separation of DHS and DOJ. You have DHS entities with multiple titles yet DOJ sticks their agencies with one each. Title 18, 21, 28 are the big ones. The idea is that they are truly "special agents" and an exception to the government just randomly going after people. Hence the ATF has title 18 authority to specifically target guns, bombs, and booze. DEA has title 21 authority to go for drugs and related crimes. Each can enforce 21 and 18 respectively if they tie into their original investigations. The theory is that in and of itself is a type of accountability measure so they aren't just targeting one type of crime.

From my experience the vast majority of feds are just like anyone else. They don't care for the government, but see a need for federal LE. The major issue is putting a hiring preference on college educated kids and less for people with life experience.

Every DoJ agency has its own internal inspection group that checks things like cases, informant files, things of that nature. They can do things like make you write memos because your case wasn't updated within 90 days. Then there is OPR. They can hammer you if you mess up but it takes a lot to get to that level. IE using your company car as an Uber, losing guns, getting arrested, etc.

There is oversight in the sense that HR is oversight. It is liability mitigation. Allow a recruit to go through the academy multiple times until they pass to avoid a lawsuit type stuff.

Having worked with most federal LEAs at one point or another, the biggest flaw is they have little to no connection to the communities they police. When you're a hammer everything looks like a nail. I think if you started embedding some of these Task Force groups with locals, they would have a greater deal of respect for their communities as well as become more efficient by going after the problem children. I've said it before, no one is getting killed in drive bys over kilos. The most violent people are young and inexperienced gang bangers. LE generally shoot young dudes not the OGs who have been raided before and had prison time.

Stick, I like your ideas a lot, just wanted to add my thoughts and perspective.

Diamondback
05-25-23, 19:26
DHS is a whole different ting, an abomination and a heresy against the American way that should have been left in Hell along with the rest of Nazi Germany that inspired it.

Sidneyious
05-27-23, 03:05
DHS is a whole different ting, an abomination and a heresy against the American way that should have been left in Hell along with the rest of Nazi Germany that inspired it.

well recently the current order, in a dhs letter to call all Christians, conservatives and republicans as domestic terrorists and nazis, so if you are registered as a republican you might want to change that.

prepare
05-27-23, 04:21
Step one would be that Congress would want to fix the DOJ, and they don’t.

There is NO will, backbone, or courage to implement necessary changes.

Diamondback
05-27-23, 08:32
well recently the current order, in a dhs letter to call all Christians, conservatives and republicans as domestic terrorists and nazis, so if you are registered as a republican you might want to change that.

I haven't been a Republican since the Party left me behind when I refused to move Left with it and they brought in "imported talent" to kick me from my PCO seat in 2008. Apparently "expecting that they make even TOKEN effort to make good on the party platform and campaign promises" was simply intolerable... BOTH the Big Two need to be burned to the ground, the problem is unless it's at the same time the fall of one leaves the other unchecked.