View Full Version : $630 Colt 6920 LE trade ins
https://aimsurplus.com/products/leo-trade-in-colt-le6920-16in-223556-ar15-rifle-black?c=MON11132023&mc_cid=f13c3b8489
Wonder if they are all CR prefix or if there's a LE in the mix, kinda like the lottery.
does it matter at that price? smfh
does it matter at that price? smfh
Yeah, even with a shitload of rack wear, for any new shooter on a budget that is the move.
I'd venture to guess most have never been fired except for maybe once a year for quals.
Hammer_Man
11-14-23, 00:40
Sold out…
Snagged one. Going to stick an Aimpoint Pro on top and install an SSAE and go shooting.
Snagged one. Going to stick an Aimpoint Pro on top and install an SSAE and go shooting.
bUt mE’h RoLlMaRk😂😂. I’m sure it’ll be a great shooter! I would have gotten one but I have zero need or want of another AR currently. I’m sure you know, but if you’re LEO/.mil Aimpoint had a pretty good price on the PRO. They have the LRP mount version as well.
Snagged one. Going to stick an Aimpoint Pro on top and install an SSAE and go shooting.
I've got a Aimpoint PRO that was mounted, zeroed, then put back in the safe if you are interested.
Who has room for another AR at this point? :confused:
I'm half tempted to drop a few off a the Goodwill!!:cool:
titsonritz
11-14-23, 11:36
They are gone now
PB
More back in stock again
More back in stock again
Grabbed TWO!!! :lol:
Just kidding.
Boy they come and go fast. Out of stock again. Or the ghost in my house is doing me a solid.
I'm not looking again.
PB
Boy they come and go fast. Out of stock again. Or the ghost in my house is doing me a solid.
I'm not looking again.
PB
As soon as I read your post I checked and they were out of stock.
titsonritz
11-14-23, 17:39
If you’re serious about wanting one I’m sure the trick is to sign up for email notification and be prepared to jump on it.
Personally, the last thing I need is another AR, but if was going to push the button it would be on something like this.
If you’re serious about wanting one I’m sure the trick is to sign up for email notification and be prepared to jump on it.
Personally, the last thing I need is another AR, but if was going to push the button it would be on something like this.
This times 100.
Yea, I need another AR like a fish needs a bicycle. But I did just form 1 a lower, so I am looking around for a nice upper. But it will be a Colt 6945 or KAC sumpin another down the road.
PB
Yea, I need another AR like a fish needs a bicycle. But I did just form 1 a lower, so I am looking around for a nice upper. But it will be a Colt 6945 or KAC sumpin another down the road.
PB
Is it bad there are still maybe 6 AR platforms I plan to purchase?
Is it bad there are still maybe 6 AR platforms I plan to purchase?
Do tell, I might be missing the boat and we can’t have that. I thought I had my bases covered but I learn something every day.
PB
Do tell, I might be missing the boat and we can’t have that. I thought I had my bases covered but I learn something every day.
PB
Since discovering lightweight Centurion Arms rails I need a 6933-EPR.
I still need a Colt 901.
I still need a KAC SR-15 and SR-25.
I still need a Colt AR15A4.
I still need a Colt LR6991.
Since discovering lightweight Centurion Arms rails I need a 6933-EPR.
I still need a Colt 901.
I still need a KAC SR-15 and SR-25.
I still need a Colt AR15A4.
I still need a Colt LR6991.
I too need a SR-25, badly
I have an HBAR 20 inch competition gun, but not that exact gun (Colt AR15A4), great to have in the stable to shoot NRA matches and test loads when you need a 20 inch barrel. Great guns. Mine is not threaded so I can't toss a can on it, but I still dig it.
Ive always wanted a 6933, add that rail and yes and yes. Never saw that gun in the wild.
Solid list and hard to argue wanting any of those beauties. Colt and KAC is good company.
PB
titsonritz
11-15-23, 14:57
Yeah I’d like to get an SR-25 one of these days
I too need a SR-25, badly
I have an HBAR 20 inch competition gun, but not that exact gun (Colt AR15A4), great to have in the stable to shoot NRA matches and test loads when you need a 20 inch barrel. Great guns. Mine is not threaded so I can't toss a can on it, but I still dig it.
Ive always wanted a 6933, add that rail and yes and yes. Never saw that gun in the wild.
Solid list and hard to argue wanting any of those beauties. Colt and KAC is good company.
PB
Have a Hbar and a 20" Govt A2, but not a flat top.
I do have a 6933 and a 6945 for shorties, but when I learned the 6933EPR was a thing, I knew I needed one. Sold enough Knights stuff to know I want one, but so far I don't have one.
I have MWS guns a plenty which are great guns, but they are not SR-25's. My buddy that owns both insist its the same but I say similar- not same. It's much easier to say "same" when you own both. I have a bunch of SR25 mags that sit in waiting...
PB
I have MWS guns a plenty which are great guns, but they are not SR-25's. My buddy that owns both insist its the same but I say similar- not same. It's much easier to say "same" when you own both. I have a bunch of SR25 mags that sit in waiting...
PB
What is a new SR-25 running nowadays? Aren't they pushing $7K?
If you can find one, God only knows. I preached for years a SR-15 was a great deal for $2,300 now add $1k to that price. And it was a great deal back then. Now uppers cost almost that much. Knights gear cost a fortune.
PB
I have MWS guns a plenty which are great guns, but they are not SR-25's. My buddy that owns both insist its the same but I say similar- not same. It's much easier to say "same" when you own both. I have a bunch of SR25 mags that sit in waiting...
PB
I sold my sr25 as I like my LMTs more.
You are going to be sick when you open the box. Mine looks like new. No scratches or wear evident. Very happy
Damn Nigla, lets see it. And you did make me look again.
PB
Every time you guys keep replaying to this thread I get excited that they are back in stock….you’re killing me smalls.
Mine just landed. As it was just out of the box, nothing added.
https://i.ibb.co/h7twJw9/IMG-0353.jpg (https://ibb.co/gjBhLh9)
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Man, I would have bought 2 or 3 of those.
ViniVidivici
11-17-23, 19:39
Who has room for another AR at this point? :confused:
I'm half tempted to drop a few off a the Goodwill!!:cool:
No sir, you send those this way, I'll cover shipping!
Diamondback
11-17-23, 20:36
They're GONE already. :( Pity, I had just sent this to my politics hat on Discord as the "Get Your Head Out Of Your Ass Starter Kit"...
Tow of these, two decent WML's, two Aimpoint PRO's, two sets of PMAGs, two sets Walkers Razor Slims and you've got a pretty solid His & Hers Home D package for if my guesstimate's right around $2500 with ammo money to spare.
@OhThatGuy.....looks great! Congratulations on great score.
Mine just landed. As it was just out of the box, nothing added.
https://i.ibb.co/h7twJw9/IMG-0353.jpg (https://ibb.co/gjBhLh9)
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Did they restake the castle nuts?
I can't see to good, but if they are Magpul, I've seen those break while trying to stake. I don't think they recommend staking.
I'm sure we'll have another chance to buy some RARE Police Trade in Colts on the EE for $1,200 or so..........
(Not from the guy who posted pictures, doesn't appear he sells on here.)
Diamondback
11-18-23, 08:14
Ya know, I'll never understand why people insist on trying to pound square Delton-tier pegs into the round Not Crap hole when with a little patience and knowing where to look you can get a 6920 for not much more on deals like this.
Ya know, I'll never understand why people insist on trying to pound square Delton-tier pegs into the round Not Crap hole when with a little patience and knowing where to look you can get a 6920 for not much more on deals like this.
Because people are stupid and a large percentage of gun owners are stupid beyond belief. The one's who aren't stupid, are stupid poor, don't know what they don't know and can barely afford even a DelTon.
Don't believe me, search here for PSA and Colt and low and behold.
What Delton? Thats a Colt 6920 LE prefix. For 630.00
What Delton? Thats a Colt 6920 LE prefix. For 630.00
I took it as he was speaking generally, not about the rifles pictured or sold in this thread.
Diamondback
11-18-23, 09:00
What Delton? Thats a Colt 6920 LE prefix. For 630.00
I was referring to other threads, both here and on an NW regional. Point was, if more people knew about deals like this some of the garbage companies would be out of business...
I'm sure we'll have another chance to buy some RARE Police Trade in Colts on the EE for $1,200 or so..........
(Not from the guy who posted pictures, doesn't appear he sells on here.)
Yes, you know it, he knows it, and it appears the only people who don't know he is gouging are the newbs.
I’m holding onto mine. I only lose money on guns. It would feel weird to break my streak.
Mine has an LE serial number:
https://i.ibb.co/QnQsDhL/IMG-0367.jpg (https://ibb.co/pZwChNc)
Apparently I lost my place, do we still like this guy cause he got a great deal, or we hate him cause he's stupid and poor and a Delton hugging sob. You guys are too quick for me. If he flips it for big money, he's a dirtbag, I get that part.
Diamondback
11-18-23, 10:21
Apparently I lost my place, do we still like this guy cause he got a great deal, or we hate him cause he's stupid and poor and a Delton hugging sob. You guys are too quick for me. If he flips it for big money, he's a dirtbag, I get that part.
The individual to whom Stick etc refers is a blatant violator of not only site policy re commercial ads in the EE but possibly also FFL requirements with how many guns he lists there (aka "engaging in the business without a license"). Frankly, I dunno why Management didn't chuck his chicken in the cookpot long ago... Six bills and change for a complete ready-to-roll Colt is a damn good deal, one we should clue our less-advantaged friends who don't yet have AR's in on whenever we can help make the connection.
Save the world from crap ARs, one Arms Unlimited trade-in batch at a time! :)
What did I miss? Are these showing up on the forum EE’s now for double the money? I would have seriously bought one for each member of my family at the price these were listed for on AIM. I missed out though.
The individual to whom Stick etc refers is a blatant violator of not only site policy re commercial ads in the EE but possibly also FFL requirements with how many guns he lists there (aka "engaging in the business without a license"). Frankly, I dunno why Management didn't chuck his chicken in the cookpot long ago... Six bills and change for a complete ready-to-roll Colt is a damn good deal, one we should clue our less-advantaged friends who don't yet have AR's in on whenever we can help make the connection.
Save the world from crap ARs, one Arms Unlimited trade-in batch at a time! :)
Thanks man, appreciate the heads up.
shadowspirit
11-18-23, 12:16
Those Colts must have lasted a day before they were sold out.
I miss the 'restricted rollmark' LE trade in sales
that said, I do want a bushmaster with the restricted rollmarks but missed that last year
https://aimsurplus.com/products/leo-trade-in-colt-16in-223556-ar15-rifle-w-magpul-handguard-black
Back in stock! AR-15A3 Tactical Carbine LEO rollmark with this batch!
https://aimsurplus.com/products/leo-trade-in-colt-16in-223556-ar15-rifle-w-magpul-handguard-black
Back in stock! AR-15A3 Tactical Carbine LEO rollmark with this batch!
Well, I don't know what that rollmark is but I just got one.
Just ordered another one.
Threw some parts on the one I just got.
https://i.ibb.co/mHvr5dF/IMG-0383.gif (https://imgbb.com/)
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Holy crap dude. I just threw up from getting dizzy watching your circular video.
Holy crap dude. I just threw up from getting dizzy watching your circular video.
I threw up making it.
Looks like these are 6721’s with HBAR barrels and 1/9 twist. Probably not everyone’s favorite but a perfectly serviceable Carbine nonetheless.
These with a 12” Centurion cut out rail and some new furniture would be 🔥.
Looks like these are 6721’s with HBAR barrels and 1/9 twist. Probably not everyone’s favorite but a perfectly serviceable Carbine nonetheless.
How does their value compare with the 6920s?
I threw up making it.
The floor design made me dizzy..
The floor design made me dizzy..
What the lady of the house spent on that carpet cost me 1 extra rifle.
Looks like these are 6721’s with HBAR barrels and 1/9 twist. Probably not everyone’s favorite but a perfectly serviceable Carbine nonetheless.
AIM says 1/7 twist - 16" carbine gas. If I search for the specs of the 6721 it also says 1/7 twist. I don't think Colt made LE rifles with a 1/9 twist, but that may be period dependent.
ETA: As best I can tell there were two revisions of the 6721, one had a 1/9 twist and the other has a 1/7. Hoping these are 1/7 but will be perfectly happy if they are 1/9. The rifle with a 1/7 twist appears to be a Revision 1, if I am accurate in the short bit of research I did on this topic.
What the lady of the house spent on that carpet cost me 1 extra rifle.
That carpet looks like a dead gray cat! :) Animal rights activists would be all over you for that stuff. Nice wood in that table though.
What the lady of the house spent on that carpet cost me 1 extra rifle.
#slushfund
Are the AR15 A3 all small pin ie standard .154?
From that time period my assumption is large.
AIM says 1/7 twist - 16" carbine gas. If I search for the specs of the 6721 it also says 1/7 twist. I don't think Colt made LE rifles with a 1/9 twist, but that may be period dependent.
ETA: As best I can tell there were two revisions of the 6721, one had a 1/9 twist and the other has a 1/7. Hoping these are 1/7 but will be perfectly happy if they are 1/9. The rifle with a 1/7 twist appears to be a Revision 1, if I am accurate in the short bit of research I did on this topic.
Thanks for sharing the info. I wish they’d have noted the heavy barrel profile in their specs. I’m not quite pumped on the front heavy balance these apparently have.
Thanks for sharing the info. I wish they’d have noted the heavy barrel profile in their specs. I’m not quite pumped on the front heavy balance these apparently have.
It’s fine if you use for full auto
It’s fine if you use for full auto
They also have 5 lbs listed in the specs so the info isn’t matching up to the pics. I reached out to them asking for some clarification on the heavy barrel, so I’ll transmit what they say.
They also have 5 lbs listed in the specs so the info isn’t matching up to the pics. I reached out to them asking for some clarification on the heavy barrel, so I’ll transmit what they say.
Yeah, I wouldn't put it past AIM to have some Web company get the specs wrong by copying from some other Colt product. They may even be 1/9 twists......
I honestly don’t mind what the barrel profile and twist rate are. The Lower and BCG alone are worth $699. I’m thinking about sending the upper to Retro Arms for a chop and thread to 11.5 anyway. And the 1/9 will shoot the 55gr I shoot 99% of the time just fine.
I have a feeling as more and more PD’s transition to the latest and greatest they think they need a lot more of these cool old Colts are going to pop up. Aim and AU seem to be the current honey holes for guns like these.
I honestly don’t mind what the barrel profile and twist rate are. The Lower and BCG alone are worth $699. I’m thinking about sending the upper to Retro Arms for a chop and thread to 11.5 anyway. And the 1/9 will shoot the 55gr I shoot 99% of the time just fine.
Good call. Maybe I’ll have mine chopped back to 13.9 with a P&W muzzle device to take some weight / length off if I end up having the order ship.
Thanks for sharing the info. I wish they’d have noted the heavy barrel profile in their specs. I’m not quite pumped on the front heavy balance these apparently have.
A3 tacticals are 6721s and they definitely are Hbars, slightly heavier than M4 (6920) profiles. So definitely front heavy, add a old school pic rail and some stuff and they aren't my favorite. However it's an accurate little rifle and if you installed some form of free floated Mlok rail it would be a nice shooter.
Good call. Maybe I’ll have mine chopped back to 13.9 with a P&W muzzle device to take some weight / length off if I end up having the order ship.
I would not mess with a rollmarked A3 Tactical. When supply runs out, it won't take long for them to become slightly collectible again.
Think of those HK P7s that were being imported for $499. For YEARS you could get a P7 for $499, but even those too dried up. Now go look.
Think of those HK P7s that were being imported for $499. For YEARS you could get a P7 for $499, but even those too dried up. Now go look.
I cry when I think of the broom handle Mausers (C96s) that were a glut on the market for a few years, and for some reason I had to wait until prices were high and trade an expensive rifle to get one.
Then think of the Chinese .45 caliber versions that were also dirt cheap, and somehow I couldn't scratch the funds to get one then either.
If I knew these were for sure small pin and I would be in for a couple, just…because. 1/7 twist would be nice too.
Then think of the Chinese .45 caliber versions that were also dirt cheap, and somehow I couldn't scratch the funds to get one then either.
The vast majority of those Chinese .45s were fakes. They were made at the Shansei arsenal but they didn't date from the 1930s. Sometime in the 1990s they decided to have the factory just start cranking out Mausers again, but they skipped many things like a proper heat treat and they artificially aged them to look like the originals.
They can be tricky to spot as a result.
If I knew these were for sure small pin and I would be in for a couple, just…because. 1/7 twist would be nice too.
If the vendor were to be called, I bet they’d happily answer the question.
Can’t say for sure, but I’d wager these, at least some of them, are later small pin variants given that they do not have the restricted LE/MIL stamp on the mag well. But who knows what you’ll actually receive. Seems to be a mixed bunch.
I ordered one. If it’s in decent shape and passes a basic function check and is without glaring issue I’ll be happy with it. If not I just won’t accept it and I’ll send it back.
The vast majority of those Chinese .45s were fakes. They were made at the Shansei arsenal but they didn't date from the 1930s. Sometime in the 1990s they decided to have the factory just start cranking out Mausers again, but they skipped many things like a proper heat treat and they artificially aged them to look like the originals.
They can be tricky to spot as a result.
Makes me feel better, thanks!
I would not mess with a rollmarked A3 Tactical. When supply runs out, it won't take long for them to become slightly collectible again.
Think of those HK P7s that were being imported for $499. For YEARS you could get a P7 for $499, but even those too dried up. Now go look.
You mean my P7 is worth more than the $499 I paid for the police trade-in? Doesn't matter, it isn't for sale regardless.
You mean my P7 is worth more than the $499 I paid for the police trade-in? Doesn't matter, it isn't for sale regardless.
I'm not selling mine either.
AIM confirmed the heavy barrel on the batch that just sold out. I ended up cancelling my order to free one up for somebody who wants one.
AIM confirmed the heavy barrel on the batch that just sold out. I ended up cancelling my order to free one up for somebody who wants one.
I think I just got it.
I think I just got it.
Nice. I’m glad it went to somebody here.
My AIM 6721 shipped today.
Nice. I’m glad it went to somebody here.
Now I gotta figure out what I'm doing with it. If it's still pretty clean I'm gonna restore it to original configuration, if it's really scratch and dent it's gonna be a bang around gun but gonna need different rail, grip and stock. Might get a rattle can finish. Maybe winter tiger stripe.
Mine arrived today. I broke it down at the FFL and everything was perfect. It was filthy as could be, mostly dust and grime. Mine was made in 2012. It arrived with a Magpul MOE handguard (which was broken), A2 grip and M4 Waffle Stock. Factory end plate had been replaced with that Magpul sling attachment end plate. Overall I’m pleased. Mine had very very little wear. The only wear really was on the brass deflector from riding in a rack. Dry film lube was still present in the upper and the internals appeared as new.
I get this feeling this thing was qual’d with and likely never shot again. Mine is a small pin with a 1/9 twist.
indianalex01
11-21-23, 18:12
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People spending 1K + and then want to use krylon. What a joke. In the Corps that’s all we had but now we don’t. People can fake the funk though.
What does this mean?
indianalex01
11-21-23, 20:21
What does this mean?
Damn. I posted the wrong thing. That makes no sense. Sorry
Damn. I posted the wrong thing. That makes no sense. Sorry
If that was directed to me, I can explain it.
If it's got enough scratch and dent that it's really no longer a collectible Colt, then it becomes a regular use rifle and it doesn't matter what it looks like. And if it's gonna be one that gets banged around on the range, I'm not gonna do any kind of expensive finish and at that point might as well make it interesting with something unusual like winter camo. We get enough snow to justify it and maybe it would motivate me to get my butt to the range more often in the winter.
indianalex01
11-21-23, 20:47
If that was directed to me, I can explain it.
If it's got enough scratch and dent that it's really no longer a collectible Colt, then it becomes a regular use rifle and it doesn't matter what it looks like. And if it's gonna be one that gets banged around on the range, I'm not gonna do any kind of expensive finish and at that point might as well make it interesting with something unusual like winter camo. We get enough snow to justify it and maybe it would motivate me to get my butt to the range more often in the winter.
No it wasn’t directed at anyone on here. Complete mistake. It doesn’t even make sense on this thread.
I picked up my Aim Colt Rifle and Browning Hi Power trade-ins from the FFL today.
The Colt is 1/9 twist HBAR, shows wear, as expected. Will post some pictures after I get them cleaned up to my satisfaction. Also, it appears to be small trigger and hammer pins, but that is only based on pushing them out a bit, not measuring. Fairly certain small however.
Black, not copper extractor spring, with insert, that seems a little weak, so that will be replaced with a Colt copper with insert right off the bat.
Mine had a gay Hogue soft grip that I don't care for, but I have spare Colt grips, so that is going on right away also.
The Colt carrier has a C on it, as if that really matters, but I know it does to some and the bolt is MPC.
Warming the sonic cleaner to get this to my level of cleanliness.
https://hkguns.zenfolio.com/img/s/v-10/p3236541624-5.jpg
It has an H buffer and the carbine spring is 10.5" long, so it is within spec.
Bore is too carbon and copper fouled to tell much, however, based on the gas port erosion I'd say 3-5K rounds. Someone with more experience reading these may know better when I can post a picture.
Found my first issue, gas tube fails the gauge. Looks like I get to try my hand at taper pins once more. Yikes.
It was pretty obviously without a bulb at the end, but I used the gauge regardless.
Carrier and bolt are in very good shape, carrier gauges Green in all aspects.
ETA: Gas tube replaced, didn't have to mess with the taper pins thank goodness.
Barrel could probably use some more work, but I have a glass of Cabernet calling. She is cleaned up pretty well at this point and should run well.
https://hkguns.zenfolio.com/img/s/v-10/p991220556-5.jpg
Forgot that 6721s were 1:9, guess I have my .55 gr carbine now.
I hate that they installed those rear receiver sling plates. Did they at least stake the castle nuts when the reinstalled?
Forgot that 6721s were 1:9, guess I have my .55 gr carbine now.
I hate that they installed those rear receiver sling plates. Did they at least stake the castle nuts when the reinstalled?
The Castle nut on my rifle is staked in one place. I don’t mind it, but I don’t use a single point sling on anything but an MP5. It kind of rattles around and makes some noise.
I really dislike that Magpul endplate. I have a spare Colt A2 stock kit that I may swap it out for. I have a 6720 upper on an A4 Colt lower and I really like that setup, especially with irons.
Found my first issue, gas tube fails the gauge. Looks like I get to try my hand at taper pins once more. Yikes.
It was pretty obviously without a bulb at the end, but I used the gauge regardless.
https://hkguns.zenfolio.com/img/s/v-10/p3237934933-5.jpg
Carrier and bolt are in very good shape, carrier gauges Green in all aspects.
ETA: Gas tube replaced, didn't have to mess with the taper pins thank goodness.
Barrel could probably use some more work, but I have a glass of Cabernet calling. She is cleaned up pretty well at this point and should run well.
https://hkguns.zenfolio.com/img/s/v-10/p3238319777-5.jpg
https://hkguns.zenfolio.com/img/s/v-10/p3238322188-5.jpg
Nice gun!
titsonritz
11-23-23, 11:18
I really dislike that Magpul endplate. I have a spare Colt A2 stock kit that I may swap it out for.
Perfect excuse to ditch that Magpul endplate.
I thought I only had VLTOR end plates in stock, found a few Colts and the Magpul single point is now in the trash.
Hammer_Man
11-23-23, 18:50
I thought I only had VLTOR end plates in stock, found a few Colts and the Magpul single point is now in the trash.
That is a perfectly good place for a Magpul end plate. You’ll have to update once you get it to the range.
That is a perfectly good place for a Magpul end plate. You’ll have to update once you get it to the range.
https://vimeo.com/888098372?share=copy
Took her to an indoor range to function check and zero the RDS with some 55 grain Barnes hand loads.
Ejection was good, zero malf's and some pretty good RDS groups at 25 and 50 yards, though only about 25 rounds as I had another scope to zero.
Overall very pleased and she is a good little shooter.
I won't use CommieTube and Vimeo links appear not to embed properly.
https://vimeo.com/888098372?share=copy
Used to be one needed Tapco parts to goober a rifle up this much. PDs do love them some Magpul parts. But of course they keep the Rogers Space Stock.
https://i.imgur.com/FPsjlYR.jpg
The rifle itself is in very nice shape. But god do I hate those ASAP sling plates.
Used to be one needed Tapco parts to goober a rifle up this much. PDs do love them some Magpul parts. But of course they keep the Rogers Space Stock.
The rifle itself is in very nice shape. But god do I hate those ASAP sling plates.
Not a fan of the Hogue grips on an AR either.
I have a buddy who is a retired Ranger/160th Nightstalker pilot who loves the Rogers stock. He shoots competitively on an "amateur" level and is an avid shooter overall, so I'll take his word for it. I've not tried that stock and the two Colts I got over the years with them got new stocks immediately!
There’s nothing functionally wrong with the Magpul endplate. That method of sling mounting is woefully dated, but the part itself is quality and will serve just fine as an endplate. I agree it’s stupid though and will be replacing mine. I wouldn’t place it in the category of Tapco though.
Not a fan of the Hogue grips on an AR either.
I have a buddy who is a retired Ranger/160th Nightstalker pilot who loves the Rogers stock. He shoots competitively on an "amateur" level and is an avid shooter overall, so I'll take his word for it. I've not tried that stock and the two Colts I got over the years with them got new stocks immediately!
So I will admit two things about the Rogers stock.
1. It locks up tighter than anything you've ever seen. I get why a competitive shooter would love them.
2. My objection is largely aesthetic. It's why we call them space stocks. The B5 just looks great, and more importantly is amazingly comfortable...but won't lock up as tight.
There’s nothing functionally wrong with the Magpul endplate. That method of sling mounting is woefully dated, but the part itself is quality and will serve just fine as an endplate. I agree it’s stupid though and will be replacing mine. I wouldn’t place it in the category of Tapco though.
It's just an extra rattle I don't need and won't be using. And yeah, Magpul stuff isn't nearly as bad as Tapco, it's actually really good stuff. I just wish these Colts were a little more stock rifles.
So I will admit two things about the Rogers stock.
1. It locks up tighter than anything you've ever seen. I get why a competitive shooter would love them.
2. My objection is largely aesthetic. It's why we call them space stocks. The B5 just looks great, and more importantly is amazingly comfortable...but won't lock up as tight.
LOL they look like shit! I agree 100% that a B5 looks and feels better, but has a little wobble you say the Rogers doesn't. Six one, half dozen the other.....
LOL they look like shit! I agree 100% that a B5 looks and feels better, but has a little wobble you say the Rogers doesn't. Six one, half dozen the other.....
That's pretty much the truth of it. And for me personally, the width of the stock (like the B5) translates to better accuracy than the "zero movement" lock up of the Rogers. Every shooters experience may vary.
I also have the same problem with the Rogers stock that I do with the Magpul MOE, the adjustment lever is in the wrong damn place.
How was your gas tube and barrel?
How was your gas tube and barrel?
Barrel looks great, I don't have a gas tube gauge but I'm assuming it's good to go. Looking at the case deflector I don't think this one has been shot very much at all.
Forgot that 6721s were 1:9, guess I have my .55 gr carbine now.
Don't jump the gun. The 9 twist bolt gun we run with stabilize 88 gr Hornadys. Now you might not get that level, but 69s for sure, and maybe 77s
Don't jump the gun. The 9 twist bolt gun we run with stabilize 88 gr Hornadys. Now you might not get that level, but 69s for sure, and maybe 77s
I zeroed mine with 55's because conventional wisdom you know. Now you're going to make me shoot some 77's to see how it performs.
I zeroed mine with 55's because conventional wisdom you know. Now you're going to make me shoot some 77's to see how it performs.
I too thought that perhaps the 1/9 wouldn’t be optimal for heavier projectiles, but then watched multiple reviews showing quite the opposite. If that translates at greater ranges I can’t say, but I believe a quality 1/9 will shoot 69-77 just fine, especially under 300m.
The 6721s are notoriously accurate for a service barrel.
Weight:twist is a guide not a rule, and bullet length and surface engagement matter. Try out a variety.
Don't jump the gun. The 9 twist bolt gun we run with stabilize 88 gr Hornadys. Now you might not get that level, but 69s for sure, and maybe 77s
This isn't my first 1:9, it was a popular twist for many companies back in the ABC days. Friend of mine used to run a 6721 all the time and he shot in the top 30% of the club.
This isn't my first 1:9, it was a popular twist for many companies back in the ABC days. Friend of mine used to run a 6721 all the time and he shot in the top 30% of the club.
Yes. THe 6721 was my first AR back in the day. My Dad got it on LE Letterhead for me (because of the fukktard Clinton Era Ban)
I need to correct my earlier post. The 1/9 we shoot works great up to 80 grain Noslers. We re-tested it today with 88s, and although stable, accuracy was not acceptable.
I zeroed mine with 55's because conventional wisdom you know. Now you're going to make me shoot some 77's to see how it performs.
The only time I saw a 77 wildly unstable was a buddy's A1 with a 12 twist. Keyhole city.
This isn't my first 1:9, it was a popular twist for many companies back in the ABC days. Friend of mine used to run a 6721 all the time and he shot in the top 30% of the club.
Yea, let us know how it shoots 69's and 77's. I would be very confident it will run 69's and that would be fine by me if that is all it shot great. 69's are a great all around bullet weight. Every barrel is its own animal.
PB
Diamondback
11-26-23, 21:07
Wow, a lot of expensive addons on some of these. You can bet if I was on patrol and had to use a department-provided rifle I'd make sure any of my privately-purchased add-ons came off before turn-in time...
indianalex01
11-26-23, 22:12
The 6721s are notoriously accurate for a service barrel.
Weight:twist is a guide not a rule, and bullet length and surface engagement matter. Try out a variety.
Service barrel? Aren’t they a heavy profile 1/9? I am unaware of any service using them. Maybe I am miss understanding something.
Yea, let us know how it shoots 69's and 77's. I would be very confident it will run 69's and that would be fine by me if that is all it shot great. 69's are a great all around bullet weight. Every barrel is its own animal.
PB
Honestly I don't even have any. Most of my 5.56 is .55 or .62 and I've never really found either round lacking. I've got some Critical Defense ammo someplace that might be .73 gr but I don't shoot it regularly. I don't realistically expect to shoot at bad guys in body armor and all of my loaded "stand by" mags are either .55 or .62 so that is what I'd be working with.
Service barrel? Aren’t they a heavy profile 1/9? I am unaware of any service using them. Maybe I am miss understanding something.
Service doesn't always mean military, lots of people equate it with suitable for LE applications. Strictly speaking NONE of these rifles are military, military are 14.5" barrels and select fire. "Service grade" is one of those words that gets thrown around like "mil spec" and there is no such thing as a "mil spec" 16" barrel. It's really more of a general equivalency thing.
And even then we still had to create a "chart" because with 10 different companies making "mil spec" rifles, they were making them to 10 different in house specifications.
And yes, the 6721 is a 1:9 twist Hbar.
Yea, let us know how it shoots 69's and 77's. I would be very confident it will run 69's and that would be fine by me if that is all it shot great. 69's are a great all around bullet weight. Every barrel is its own animal.
PB
I have mainly 77gr hand loads, I may even have some 69's in my stash, I'll have to look. When I get a chance to get back to the range I'll post some thoughts on how it shoots them. It was pretty darned accurate with 55's at short yardage.
Service barrel? Aren’t they a heavy profile 1/9? I am unaware of any service using them. Maybe I am miss understanding something.
Service doesn't always mean military, lots of people equate it with suitable for LE applications. Strictly speaking NONE of these rifles are military, military are 14.5" barrels and select fire. "Service grade" is one of those words that gets thrown around like "mil spec" and there is no such thing as a "mil spec" 16" barrel. It's really more of a general equivalency thing.
Yep. "Service" as in general service, service grade, non-precision, etc.
Good Lord, I can't believe some cop "armorer" installed commercial buffer tubes on a Colt rifle. Now I have to check out the entire buffer system.
Good Lord, I can't believe some cop "armorer" installed commercial buffer tubes on a Colt rifle. Now I have to check out the entire buffer system.
I didn't even think to check that out when I replaced my end plate. Now you're going to force me to inspect it more closely. Thanks for posting that information.
titsonritz
12-02-23, 00:28
Good Lord, I can't believe some cop "armorer" installed commercial buffer tubes on a Colt rifle. Now I have to check out the entire buffer system.
Probably to put that Magpul stock he had to have but wasn’t available in Milspec.
Probably to put that Magpul stock he had to have but wasn’t available in Milspec.
Even worse, was a Roges space stock. Fit really tight but I just thought it was gunk or whatever. Dropped a known Colt buttstock on it and same thing, really tight. I thought "there is no f'ing way" a LE armorer pulled a factory colt buffer tube and changed it out for a commercial one so I grabbed my calipers and sure as shit they did.
I guess at least I get to dump that Magpul sling setup. I'm assuming buffer, buffer spring and everything else is wrong. Sheesh. Also I funking HATE installing buffer tubes, my main talent is launching detent springs across the room. Bunch of f'ing asshle "I know how to build ARs because I have youtube" f'ing morons.
Now I'm up $200 in correct parts which is almost my price for a NIB 6920. Thankfully Colt has non standard pins so most people can't go F over the fire control parts.
This is the universe telling you to install an A5 system.
Good Lord, I can't believe some cop "armorer" installed commercial buffer tubes on a Colt rifle. Now I have to check out the entire buffer system.
Even worse, was a Roges space stock. Fit really tight but I just thought it was gunk or whatever. Dropped a known Colt buttstock on it and same thing, really tight. I thought "there is no f'ing way" a LE armorer pulled a factory colt buffer tube and changed it out for a commercial one so I grabbed my calipers and sure as shit they did.
Not even the 10th goofiest thing from an LE armory.
Thankfully Colt has non standard pins so most people can't go F over the fire control parts.
You say that now...
I just verified mine is milspec, which makes sense since it had the Colt stock. Glad I didn't miss something when replacing the end plate.
Just double checked. My tube is mil-spec.
I have found that an overwhelming number of LE/.mil guys do unimaginably stupid things to firearms. They are often the worst of the worst when it comes to spreading Fudd lore and general dipshit information.
titsonritz
12-02-23, 13:17
This is the universe telling you to install an A5 system.
Was thinking the same thing
I just took a buddy shooting that I had sold him a stock Colt 6920, that had the Colt Law Enforcement on the side, the Upper had a big deep "C" and it and the BCG as well. It was the most beautiful stock Colt carry handle 6920 one could ever buy. For those lover of all things Colt, it was the perfect 6920.
I shot irons out to 500 and it hurt my heart a little knowing I let that jewel out of my possession. At least it was a good friend. That didn't make Mark feels any better about it.
PB
I just took a buddy shooting that I had sold him a stock Colt 6920, that had the Colt Law Enforcement on the side, the Upper had a big deep "C" and it and the BCG as well. It was the most beautiful stock Colt carry handle 6920 one could ever buy. For those lover of all things Colt, it was the perfect 6920.
I shot irons out to 500 and it hurt my heart a little knowing I let that jewel out of my possession. At least it was a good friend. That didn't make Mark feels any better about it.
PB
I have one of these. It’s one of my favorite Colts. I tingle every time I touch it.
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This is the universe telling you to install an A5 system.
So two things:
Trying to keep it mostly "original Colt" since it's a rollmarked A3.
Already bought the factory replacement parts.
But since it's been mentioned, what does the Vltor A5 do that would make me want to upgrade? I'm seriously interested.
fedupflyer
12-02-23, 18:36
Just double checked. My tube is mil-spec.
I have found that an overwhelming number of LE/.mil guys do unimaginably stupid things to firearms. They are often the worst of the worst when it comes to spreading Fudd lore and general dipshit information.
Care to sharea few examples?
You have piqued my interest.
Care to sharea few examples?
You have piqued my interest.
I've had guys show up with AIRSOFT CRAP on weapons they thought we were going to approve for duty use. Its hard to get worse than that.
So two things:
Trying to keep it mostly "original Colt" since it's a rollmarked A3.
Already bought the factory replacement parts.
But since it's been mentioned, what does the Vltor A5 do that would make me want to upgrade? I'm seriously interested.
FWIW: I use the A5's on every rifle other than an original Colt or HK rifle. All my Colts and HK's have the buffers they were shipped with........I use them mainly because they are well made, reliable and highly regarded.
FWIW: I use the A5's on every rifle other than an original Colt or HK rifle. All my Colts and HK's have the buffers they were shipped with........I use them mainly because they are well made, reliable and highly regarded.
I’m not sure about recoil, but the principle I bought into is the range of function.
I've had guys show up with AIRSOFT CRAP on weapons they thought we were going to approve for duty use. Its hard to get worse than that.
My BIL is LE and his AR is outfitted with airsoft crap…I don’t want to argue with him about it so I just stay quiet. I think he used a UTG quad rail.
I've had guys show up with AIRSOFT CRAP on weapons they thought we were going to approve for duty use. Its hard to get worse than that.
Seen it.
titsonritz
12-03-23, 14:42
I’ve seen and heard all kinds of horror stories of cop’s guns at IG’s armorers classes I attended.
fedupflyer
12-03-23, 16:03
I’ve seen and heard all kinds of horror stories of cop’s guns at IG’s armorers classes I attended.
Share some of the stories with the group.
I'm inspired.
Couple guys showed up with "custom" ARs. Wild triggers I've never seen since, phase 5 BCGs, obnoxious muzzle devices, airsoft grade charging handles, unlabeled WMLs, sightmark dots, oh and punisher skull dust covers. They did not run and butthurt ensued.
Care to sharea few examples?
You have piqued my interest.
Lots of UTG bullshit, Punisher bullshit 🙄, complete obliviousness to what a zero was on a rifle, vertical grips where they ought not be, complete thoughtlessness as to sling placement, lightweight this, tactical that, speed whatnot…just a complete lack of actual core knowledge regarding what makes a rifle fit for actual duty use.
Lots of UTG bullshit, Punisher bullshit ��, complete obliviousness to what a zero was on a rifle, vertical grips where they ought not be, complete thoughtlessness as to sling placement, lightweight this, tactical that, speed whatnot…just a complete lack of actual core knowledge regarding what makes a rifle fit for actual duty use.
I always put a vertical grip at 9 o'clock so I can use a Sten gun hold in an emergency. Also helps me be tactical around corners. And if I ever have to flip the rifle to use the RDS I have mounted at 3 o'clock, then I have a vertical grip right under it. A navy seal guy showed me that setup.
Diamondback
12-04-23, 23:25
OTOH, even UTG can occasionally make something useful... as long as you know its limitations, like how I turned their QD optic risers into QD mounts for the Charger MWS's rifle stock and pistol sling, and part of the takedown coupler on the ASDW PIP.
Would not use in a "bet your life" situation, but let's be real, how much smacking around is a Ruger 10/22-pattern gonna be expected to take?
OTOH, even UTG can occasionally make something useful... as long as you know its limitations, like how I turned their QD optic risers into QD mounts for the Charger MWS's rifle stock and pistol sling, and part of the takedown coupler on the ASDW PIP.
Would not use in a "bet your life" situation, but let's be real, how much smacking around is a Ruger 10/22-pattern gonna be expected to take?
Recreational firearms are recreational firearms and I think all of us would agree that a person can do whatever they want. So long as it doesn't make the firearm dangerous to operate go have fun.
And in the olden days we used to have to widget the hell out of things. There were no rail hand guards for MP5s, that crap was brand new for AR-15s. But we did drill some MP5 hand guards and bolt some ghetto looking light mounts to it. I even had one with a mini mag light attached with mini radiator clamps because it was better than that flimsy Laser Products tape switch hand guard.
Recreational firearms are recreational firearms and I think all of us would agree that a person can do whatever they want. So long as it doesn't make the firearm dangerous to operate go have fun.
And in the olden days we used to have to widget the hell out of things. There were no rail hand guards for MP5s, that crap was brand new for AR-15s. But we did drill some MP5 hand guards and bolt some ghetto looking light mounts to it. I even had one with a mini mag light attached with mini radiator clamps because it was better than that flimsy Laser Products tape switch hand guard.
I need a bumper sticker that says "Ask me how to get duct tape residue off a quad rail"
But since it's been mentioned, what does the Vltor A5 do that would make me want to upgrade? I'm seriously interested.
Not too much. If you're building from scratch, it's the best choice, but if you already have a good carbine set up, not worth tearing stuff apart. An H2 buffer in carbine is very close to the A5/rifle system.
So two things:
Trying to keep it mostly "original Colt" since it's a rollmarked A3.
Already bought the factory replacement parts.
But since it's been mentioned, what does the Vltor A5 do that would make me want to upgrade? I'm seriously interested.
I think it makes the gun run more smoothly and can increase reliability. I was not getting lock back on my AR, and this resolved that issue. No lock back not a huge deal. If your gun is running fine, no need. But I think for running hot guns suppressed, it shines in that dept. That’s why most of my guns have A5’s. And it’s important to note there is no downside except cost and time. From my experience.
PB
To offer another point of view, millions of colts run fine without A5 systems. My guns are unsupressed, I run them wide open on hot ammo, they lock back all the time every time. PBs guns may run smoother, and are most probably cleaner than mine, and he's happy with A5s, so this is not meant to be an argument at all. If you are not going to supress, I'd say it's not needed, but as PB says there's no real downside if ya gotta have it.
I think it makes the gun run more smoothly and can increase reliability. I was not getting lock back on my AR, and this resolved that issue. No lock back not a huge deal. If your gun is running fine, no need. But I think for running hot guns suppressed, it shines in that dept. That’s why most of my guns have A5’s. And it’s important to note there is no downside except cost and time. From my experience.
PB
Totally agree. I do think the recoil impulse is smoother with an A5. Took me a bit to get used to. But add a can to it and that is where it shines. I only have one rifle left running a carbine set up and that is because it started life as a BCM complete lower. The rest are builds that used it from the jump. And the only reason I haven't changed over the carbine set up is because I'm cheap, lol.
How does the A5 RE affect LOP? How much longer is it than a milspec carbine tube? If I fully collapsed the stock on an A5 would that be comparable to running 1 click out on a 4 position carbine?
The A5 system's superiority isn't subjective. RSilvers did an analysis of this years back and posted the results. The gist of it was that the H2 carbine most closely mimicked the A5 or Rifle buffer system within the constraints of the carbine action spring. Assuming he wasn't a complete fraud and made the whole thing up, the comparison was laid out and quantified.
How does the A5 RE affect LOP? How much longer is it than a milspec carbine tube? If I fully collapsed the stock on an A5 would that be comparable to running 1 click out on a 4 position carbine?
That part of the comparison is negligible unless you run the carbine stock completely closed. There's like a 3/4" difference or something.
How does the A5 RE affect LOP? How much longer is it than a milspec carbine tube? If I fully collapsed the stock on an A5 would that be comparable to running 1 click out on a 4 position carbine?
Colt on the bottom. They both collapse fully.
I by no means have monkey arms, but the VLTOR's are a bit more comfy at full extension and I feel a tad cramped on a Colt. But that is probably just what I'm used to shooting.
https://hkguns.zenfolio.com/img/s/v-10/p3362132187-5.jpg
The A5 system's superiority isn't subjective. RSilvers did an analysis of this years back and posted the results. The gist of it was that the H2 carbine most closely mimicked the A5 or Rifle buffer system within the constraints of the carbine action spring. Assuming he wasn't a complete fraud and made the whole thing up, the comparison was laid out and quantifie
That part of the comparison is negligible unless you run the carbine stock completely closed. There's like a 3/4" difference or something.
Well Mark, if either gun runs 100% then it is subjective. If it's more reliable suppressed for instance, then you win, smoothness is most definitely an accommodation. Just a conversation my friend, not trying to light a dumpster fire.
How does the A5 RE affect LOP? How much longer is it than a milspec carbine tube? If I fully collapsed the stock on an A5 would that be comparable to running 1 click out on a 4 position carbine?
Also know, they make 7 position tubes and some smaller A5 tubes. So if it bothers you and need compact, they made a smaller tube. LOP is not an issue unless you need the smallest setting LOP possible. I never run mine fully collapsed so it doesn’t matter to me except transport. So if you see both sizes understand where that comes from. FYI.
PB
Hammer_Man
12-06-23, 18:23
I’d rather get OE Colt parts than an A5 conversion. Just personal opinion based on the semi collectible nature of these carbines.
https://armsunlimited.com/colt-m4-ar15-4-position-receiver-extension/
https://armsunlimited.com/colt-m4-ar15-receiver-extension-castle-nut/
https://armsunlimited.com/colt-m16-m4-ar15-receiver-end-plate/
https://armsunlimited.com/colt-carbine-h2-buffer/
https://armsunlimited.com/colt-m4-ar15-carbine-buffer-action-spring/
I’d rather get OE Colt parts than an A5 conversion. Just personal opinion based on the semi collectible nature of these carbines.
https://armsunlimited.com/colt-m4-ar15-4-position-receiver-extension/
https://armsunlimited.com/colt-m4-ar15-receiver-extension-castle-nut/
https://armsunlimited.com/colt-m16-m4-ar15-receiver-end-plate/
https://armsunlimited.com/colt-carbine-h2-buffer/
https://armsunlimited.com/colt-m4-ar15-carbine-buffer-action-spring/
In the end, that's what I did. I have some Colt parts inbound that were take offs from a 6920 made around the same time.
So this one ended up costing me a bit more like $900 for a used LE Colt but at least I have a 6721 in the stable.
Another great Colt in the hands of a worthy man, a happy ending.
Oh look, I missed the deal of the year. Again. :laugh:
Oh look, I missed the deal of the year. Again. :laugh:
Wouldn't want you to feel left out, I might have a commercial buffer tube available...really cheap.
Wouldn't want you to feel left out, I might have a commercial buffer tube available...really cheap.
This is funny
Defaultmp3
12-07-23, 07:44
Also know, they make 7 position tubes and some smaller A5 tubes. So if it bothers you and need compact, they made a smaller tube. LOP is not an issue unless you need the smallest setting LOP possible. I never run mine fully collapsed so it doesn’t matter to me except transport. So if you see both sizes understand where that comes from. FYI.Huh. How are there "smaller A5 tubes"? AFAIK, all A5 compatible receiver extensions are the same length and will give essentially the same LOP, the only differences are the number of stock positions they have.
Well Mark, if either gun runs 100% then it is subjective. If it's more reliable suppressed for instance, then you win, smoothness is most definitely an accommodation. Just a conversation my friend, not trying to light a dumpster fire.
It wasn't a matter of smoothness. RSilvers quantified the differences. Believe me, I don't go tearing off Carbine REs to switch to A5. The gist was that the rifle buffer system is optimal on a correctly gassed AR. The A5 system is effectively the rifle system. And the Carbine with H2 buffer was quantified as the closest set up to the rifle/A5.
It wasn't a matter of smoothness. RSilvers quantified the differences. Believe me, I don't go tearing off Carbine REs to switch to A5. The gist was that the rifle buffer system is optimal on a correctly gassed AR. The A5 system is effectively the rifle system. And the Carbine with H2 buffer was quantified as the closest set up to the rifle/A5.
Got it, thanks. I had a Colt A4 that I had trouble reaching the pedals with so I managed to acquire an issue carbine conversion for it. It came with an H6 buffer but I remember using an H2 also. It had Colt 4 pos RE and carbine spring, and type II A waffle stock. I traded it to a good friend with normal length arms, along with all the original parts. He still hasn't changed it back lol. It was just as smooth and reliable as the rifle setup, and a damned accurate gun. Kinda wish I still had it, but it has a good home.
I installed a Colt endplate (staked beautifully in 2 places) on mine today and chucked that Magpul abomination in the trash. I also installed a Colt ambi safety while I was at it. Mine is now returned to full Colt glory!
I installed a Colt endplate (staked beautifully in 2 places) on mine today and chucked that Magpul abomination in the trash. I also installed a Colt ambi safety while I was at it. Mine is now returned to full Colt glory!
Woah woah woah woah woah. You ain't gettin away without pictures of yours there bud. :)
ETA: Good job on the removal btw....also, with as many LE as I "think" there are on here, you'd think one of them would recognize their department rifles with those distinctive magpul end plates and fill us in on their respective provenance.
Although maybe they're just being quiet about it given none of us were very happy with them.
I have tried and tried and tried to post pics on here. It never works. This is the only forum I have problems on. Is there some trick to it here?
I have tried and tried and tried to post pics on here. It never works. This is the only forum I have problems on. Is there some trick to it here?
You need it hosted and then you just copy / paste the link to it in the little picture icon in the tool bar. Hover over the icons and you'll see "Insert Image."
I installed a Colt endplate (staked beautifully in 2 places) on mine today and chucked that Magpul abomination in the trash. I also installed a Colt ambi safety while I was at it. Mine is now returned to full Colt glory!
I bought a Colt with Ambi safety. But I’ve never seen a Colt ambi safety for purchase. Where do you find such? I’ve only found LMT and KAC.
PB
Diamondback
12-07-23, 18:26
I bought a Colt with Ambi safety. But I’ve never seen a Colt ambi safety for purchase. Where do you find such? I’ve only found LMT and KAC.
PB
Doesn't Colt use Schmid Tool, or am I misremembering? Could be that I seem to recall Schmid having a lot of military ambi-safety supply contracts...
I bought a Colt with Ambi safety. But I’ve never seen a Colt ambi safety for purchase. Where do you find such? I’ve only found LMT and KAC.
PB
Specialized Armament.....Arms unlimited
I've got one out of an A4 rattling around somewhere if you need one.
I bought a Colt with Ambi safety. But I’ve never seen a Colt ambi safety for purchase. Where do you find such? I’ve only found LMT and KAC.
PB
Arms Unlimited has Colt cage code ambi safeties. They are in fact just Schmid tool safeties with Colts cage code, but I digress. They also sell the exact same safety with their stamp for $30 cheaper.
I bought a Colt with Ambi safety. But I’ve never seen a Colt ambi safety for purchase. Where do you find such? I’ve only found LMT and KAC.
PB
All the newer Colts seem to have them. I'm not a huge fan. The ambi seems sorta sluggish, not a positive click. Not a huge deal or anything.
Hammer_Man
12-07-23, 20:25
Schmid ambi safety with the long/short arms $15.00
https://armsunlimited.com/schmid-ambidextrous-semi-auto-safety-selector-short/
Colt ambi safety (most likely made by Schmid) with long/short arms $44.00.
https://armsunlimited.com/colt-ar15-ambidextrous-semi-auto-safety-selector/
Specialized Armament.....Arms unlimited
I've got one out of an A4 rattling around somewhere if you need one.
Shit I totally forgot about them. I went to a gun show in Phx with Iraqgunz and he bought a bag of spare parts from that guy and walked out rubbing his arse. "ouch that hurt". LOL
Colt springs and whatnot are not cheap.
PB
Hammer_Man
12-08-23, 07:22
Shit I totally forgot about them. I went to a gun show in Phx with Iraqgunz and he bought a bag of spare parts from that guy and walked out rubbing his arse. "ouch that hurt". LOL
Colt springs and whatnot are not cheap.
PB
The Colt parts sold by SA aren’t imbued with any special super secret tactical fairy dust. It’s the same crap everybody else sells for less money.
Arms Unlimited has Colt cage code ambi safeties. They are in fact just Schmid tool safeties with Colts cage code, but I digress. They also sell the exact same safety with their stamp for $30 cheaper.
Not quite the same. The Colt safeties are reversible for left-handed shooters but none of the regular Schmidt safeties that I have seen are. There are also two different styles of long lever for the Colt Safeties as well. The old ones have the same long lever as the Schmidt safeties and the new ones have the regular style that almost everyone except for Colt has been using on semi auto safeties recently. :)
Not quite the same. The Colt safeties are reversible for left-handed shooters but none of the regular Schmidt safeties that I have seen are. There are also two different styles of long lever for the Colt Safeties as well. The old ones have the same long lever as the Schmidt safeties and the new ones have the regular style that almost everyone except for Colt has been using on semi auto safeties recently. :)
Wasn’t aware of that! Good to know. Never crossed my mind to check that because as a right handed shooter I would never even think about swapping a safety around.
So they ARE imbued with the magical Colt super tactical fairy dust after all! :)
Hammer_Man
12-09-23, 13:02
Out of curiosity I pulled the ambi Schmid safety out of one of my unfinished projects, and sure enough it doesn’t have the extra cut outs to swap it side to side. I stand corrected, the “Colt” ambi safety is different. The ability to swap the long lever to the starboard side of your weapon will shave at least 10 seconds off any Mozambique drills you run with it, and will increase your hit probability by at least 98%.
Still, aside from being swappable (which I really don’t see how that matters with an ambi) they are the exact same material and made by the same company. The swap-ability isn’t worth $30 to me.
indianalex01
12-09-23, 13:49
Out of curiosity I pulled the ambi Schmid safety out of one of my unfinished projects, and sure enough it doesn’t have the extra cut outs to swap it side to side. I stand corrected, the “Colt” ambi safety is different. The ability to swap the long lever to the starboard side of your weapon will shave at least 10 seconds off any Mozambique drills you run with it, and will increase your hit probability by at least 98%.
Are you joking? About shaving seconds off of Mozambique drills? This has to be BS
So they ARE imbued with the magical Colt super tactical fairy dust after all! :)
And HKs DO have black forest elfin magic.
The Colt ambi selector makes it easier for any armorer be it military or LE to accommodate left handed personnel, by having the long lever where it's needed.
Edit; The non ambi Colt selectors are also reversible.
My god I had forgotten how much I despise working on ARs beyond a simple strip and clean.
Decided to get rid of the spongy magpul grip and pulled out the screw and dropped it out. Immediately my selector fell off. That's right, this rife is chock full of stupid springs and detents. I thought it was gonna take me 2 minutes to swap out a pistol grip, it took me 5 minutes to get the screw in just the grip itself and then I put in the detent spring and try and align it with the receiver and the screw falls out.
Repeat 5x.
I finally get the screw threading into the receiver and I notice my safety selector is wonky because the detent has forced it out of the receiver. Back the stupid screw up a bit, painter tape the selector TO the receiver and start screwing it in again and lets check that detent spring just to make sure all is well before we are past the half way point....F me it's bent. So I back the screw out a bit, line up the stupid spring and we start going again.
12 minutes later I have successfully replaced the stupid sponge grip with a correct A2 grip and if the damn PD had simply left it the F alone I'd be a lot less annoyed.
The magpul handguard surprisingly came off quickly and easily but I still haven't gotten the damn Colt handguards back on there yet. I might just wait until I have a second person to help me. I started to back of the castle nut on the buffer tube and remembered....WAIT there is a captured detent spring under that plate AND when you start backing out that POS commercial buffer tube there is that second spring loaded detention pin so I just took the mild pressure off the castle nut (not like they staked it or secured it in any meaningful way, it was slightly more than hand tight).
And I think I'm done for the night. No more launching tiny springs across the room and crap like that. I need a co armorer.
At least they didn't screw with the bolt or bolt carrier, all of that was good to go.
I understand your frustration. A trick when working with the grip/selector is to orient the rifle upside down. Gravity keeps everything in place allowing you to work stress free.
Diamondback
12-12-23, 05:48
Another is get one of those XXL Ziplocs and put the receiver in that so any flying parts get trapped. And +1 to DoubleW, used properly gravity is a good friend.
I understand your frustration. A trick when working with the grip/selector is to orient the rifle upside down. Gravity keeps everything in place allowing you to work stress free.
Also put a dab of grease on the end of the detent spring that goes into the grip. Helps keep it in place. Same for the hole in the receiver and detent itself. Just a dab of grease. Once the grip is on I flip it over and use a T handle for the grip screw. I get it in place and then flip it back over to tighten it. Gravity keeps the grip screw on the T handle while you feed it up into the grip. Turn it back over to align and screw in.
On the rear takedown detent and spring, I loosen the castle nut first and back it all the way off. Then I can slowly slide the end plate back on the RE and take the detent spring out. That also allows me to focus on the RE retainer and spring as I unscrew the RE from the receiver and make sure it doesn't go flying. On reassembly I keep the castle nut and end plate backed all the way off. Thread in the RE until it makes contact with the retained pin, then turn it 1/4 more. Put the detent spring in and then I compress it with a small flat head while I turn the RE the 1/4 turn back. Just my .02.
I remember my first buffer retainer launch, still haven't found that one.
My god I had forgotten how much I despise working on ARs beyond a simple strip and clean.
Decided to get rid of the spongy magpul grip and pulled out the screw and dropped it out. Immediately my selector fell off. That's right, this rife is chock full of stupid springs and detents. I thought it was gonna take me 2 minutes to swap out a pistol grip, it took me 5 minutes to get the screw in just the grip itself and then I put in the detent spring and try and align it with the receiver and the screw falls out.
Repeat 5x.
I finally get the screw threading into the receiver and I notice my safety selector is wonky because the detent has forced it out of the receiver. Back the stupid screw up a bit, painter tape the selector TO the receiver and start screwing it in again and lets check that detent spring just to make sure all is well before we are past the half way point....F me it's bent. So I back the screw out a bit, line up the stupid spring and we start going again.
12 minutes later I have successfully replaced the stupid sponge grip with a correct A2 grip and if the damn PD had simply left it the F alone I'd be a lot less annoyed.
The magpul handguard surprisingly came off quickly and easily but I still haven't gotten the damn Colt handguards back on there yet. I might just wait until I have a second person to help me. I started to back of the castle nut on the buffer tube and remembered....WAIT there is a captured detent spring under that plate AND when you start backing out that POS commercial buffer tube there is that second spring loaded detention pin so I just took the mild pressure off the castle nut (not like they staked it or secured it in any meaningful way, it was slightly more than hand tight).
And I think I'm done for the night. No more launching tiny springs across the room and crap like that. I need a co armorer.
At least they didn't screw with the bolt or bolt carrier, all of that was good to go.
The only thing worse is when you ask your buddy to do you a favor and tiny spring launches ( he starts cussing ) and your thinking, is that stock spongy LMT grip that bad ? LOL. We haven't fcked with AR's in a couple years and now we are back to shooting them a bit more and with that comes tinkering.
PB
My god I had forgotten how much I despise working on ARs beyond a simple strip and clean.
Decided to get rid of the spongy magpul grip and pulled out the screw and dropped it out. Immediately my selector fell off. That's right, this rife is chock full of stupid springs and detents. I thought it was gonna take me 2 minutes to swap out a pistol grip, it took me 5 minutes to get the screw in just the grip itself and then I put in the detent spring and try and align it with the receiver and the screw falls out.
Repeat 5x.
I finally get the screw threading into the receiver and I notice my safety selector is wonky because the detent has forced it out of the receiver. Back the stupid screw up a bit, painter tape the selector TO the receiver and start screwing it in again and lets check that detent spring just to make sure all is well before we are past the half way point....F me it's bent. So I back the screw out a bit, line up the stupid spring and we start going again.
12 minutes later I have successfully replaced the stupid sponge grip with a correct A2 grip and if the damn PD had simply left it the F alone I'd be a lot less annoyed.
The magpul handguard surprisingly came off quickly and easily but I still haven't gotten the damn Colt handguards back on there yet. I might just wait until I have a second person to help me. I started to back of the castle nut on the buffer tube and remembered....WAIT there is a captured detent spring under that plate AND when you start backing out that POS commercial buffer tube there is that second spring loaded detention pin so I just took the mild pressure off the castle nut (not like they staked it or secured it in any meaningful way, it was slightly more than hand tight).
And I think I'm done for the night. No more launching tiny springs across the room and crap like that. I need a co armorer.
At least they didn't screw with the bolt or bolt carrier, all of that was good to go.
Safety glasses and a helmet.
Diamondback
12-12-23, 08:52
I remember my first buffer retainer launch, still haven't found that one.
So do I, having polycarbonate lenses is THE reason I still have a right eye. :)
these guns are back in stock
Mine was mostly fine, but I did have to purchase and install a Colt end plate. Several others had to purchase entire stock kits in order to return to baseline Colt. So between that, transfer fees, and the specter of the unknown, I’d highly recommend the $750 OEM 1&2 over these.
Back at AIM $629
https://aimsurplus.com/products/leo-trade-in-colt-le6920-16in-223556-ar15-rifle-black
Mine was mostly fine, but I did have to purchase and install a Colt end plate. Several others had to purchase entire stock kits in order to return to baseline Colt. So between that, transfer fees, and the specter of the unknown, I’d highly recommend the $750 OEM 1&2 over these.
That was my conclusion as well. Kinda cool if you like the gamble, like to tinker and have parts laying around. It is cheaper but kinda a gamble I guess. Lotta people have parts bins out the ying yang, I know this all too well.
PB
Back at AIM $629
https://aimsurplus.com/products/leo-trade-in-colt-le6920-16in-223556-ar15-rifle-black
Those went fast.
Also credit where credit is due, I contacted AIM about the commercial buffer tube and they told me to send it back and they'd replace it with a mil spec tube.
Those went fast.
Also credit where credit is due, I contacted AIM about the commercial buffer tube and they told me to send it back and they'd replace it with a mil spec tube.
Lot to like about that service. +1 for Aims for that purchase or for future purchases. I would have lost that bet.
PB
Those went fast.
Also credit where credit is due, I contacted AIM about the commercial buffer tube and they told me to send it back and they'd replace it with a mil spec tube.
Did somebody buy a bunch? I got 1 of this batch.
Are they gone now ? If so, plenty of people are more than happy to buy a Colt for that price. It is a Colt. I was sitting at my desk when the notice came in. Took maybe 10 minutes if so.
I was looking at their website, seems they do a bunch of these police trade ins. Never knew that deal. Id like a beater Sig 226
PB
Lot to like about that service. +1 for Aims for that purchase or for future purchases. I would have lost that bet.
PB
Been dealing with AimSurplus for a long time. Never had a real problem with them and they have always been dependable. They are everything Botach / Buds Guns are not.
titsonritz
12-15-23, 18:23
Yep, Aim is solid for sure.
Hammer_Man
12-15-23, 19:16
Looks like I missed it again….
I remember my first buffer retainer launch, still haven't found that one.
So do I, having polycarbonate lenses is THE reason I still have a right eye. :)
71155
Been dealing with AimSurplus for a long time. Never had a real problem with them and they have always been dependable. They are everything Botach / Buds Guns are not.
I will say, my trade in 6721 did not ship with a mag and AIM sent me a new PMAG same day no questions asked. They for sure have excellent service.
I will say, my trade in 6721 did not ship with a mag and AIM sent me a new PMAG same day no questions asked. They for sure have excellent service.
LOL. I didn't get a mag, but there wasn't a magazine in the picture so I didn't expect one. That and I'm sitting on hundreds of Pmags.
titsonritz
12-15-23, 22:50
71155
That’s funny shit right there.
There was an amazing advantage to taking IG’s class prior to getting into building. I’ve never launched one.
Well, lets just say those of us who didn't, have launched plenty. Therefore the tracking system posted above.
ETA: I didn't get a mag either and didn't feel sore about it until reading the post above. But I have enough mags regardless. Maybe too many actually.
Well took a little doing but I finally got all the Magpul stuff off my Colt and restored it to a proper 6721.
https://i.imgur.com/zOd09Wc.jpg
Happy with the result.
Now I just need a terribly scratched rack grade one so I can do some rattle can camo.
LOL. I didn't get a mag, but there wasn't a magazine in the picture so I didn't expect one. That and I'm sitting on hundreds of Pmags.
Not sure about the 6920’s, but when I ordered the 6721 it was both shown with and advertised as with a magazine.
Looks like I missed it again….
Get on the email notifications for when they restock and you’ll have around 15 mins to snag one once you get the alert.
Yeah, I saw what was obviously one of these on one of the auction sites for over a grand. So someone's buying them up and trying to flip them. Probably the guy on here who shall remain on my IL.
Yeah, I saw what was obviously one of these on one of the auction sites for over a grand. So someone's buying them up and trying to flip them. Probably the guy on here who shall remain on my IL.
Plenty of flippers. The larger shock is that someone didn't buy 10 or more of them and just break them down into parts to sell.
Diamondback
12-16-23, 15:08
Plenty of flippers. The larger shock is that someone didn't buy 10 or more of them and just break them down into parts to sell.
Frankly, if I were a cynical PD armorer and knowing these guns were leaving the Dept for tradein, at the last minute I'd be tempted to buy a bunch of crap commercial buffer tubes etc and strip-n-swap all the good parts before boxing 'em up. Take "my" parts back home and sell out of the garage... or sell the "Dept Spares" separately as Surplus to bring in a few bucks for the Dept.
Not endorsing the idea, just when the less-good half of your childhood finds you surrounded by a certain kind of human-shaped bag of crap, you learn REAL fast how their minds work as a simple survival necessity so you don't end up jut another pawn in their sick sociopathic chess-games.
Frankly, if I were a cynical PD armorer and knowing these guns were leaving the Dept for tradein, at the last minute I'd be tempted to buy a bunch of crap commercial buffer tubes etc and strip-n-swap all the good parts before boxing 'em up. Take "my" parts back home and sell out of the garage... or sell the "Dept Spares" separately as Surplus to bring in a few bucks for the Dept.
I asked my LGS if they ever did deals with any PD's for trades. He said, yeah quite often but they typically get sold at a steep discount to the officers by the PD and they end up buying them all. So not too many, if any, actually hit the shelves.
So not likely to see any in stock any time soon.
I asked my LGS if they ever did deals with any PD's for trades. He said, yeah quite often but they typically get sold at a steep discount to the officers by the PD and they end up buying them all. So not too many, if any, actually hit the shelves.
So not likely to see any in stock any time soon.
With me most PD trade in's are a "I'll buy those for X price and sell you the new guns you want for Y price."
When flat top M4s became the newest "must have" I bought a bunch of A2 carbines and rifles for half the price of my dealer cost for 6920s.
Not sure about the 6920’s, but when I ordered the 6721 it was both shown with and advertised as with a magazine.
The link for the A3's I ordered do not show or mention a magazine. Your post #58 on page 6. Close up photo of rollmark shows a rifle w/ magazine but I'm not gonna worry about it.
The link for the A3's I ordered do not show or mention a magazine. Your post #58 on page 6. Close up photo of rollmark shows a rifle w/ magazine but I'm not gonna worry about it.
As you stated, the third pic of the close up rollmark shows a mag. The original listing (since removed) listed a 20rd mag as included. The listing has since been changed to “0” to indicate no mag is included. No doubt to dissuade other buyers from asking for a mag they never intended to include.
Disregard. Actually read the post.
Daniel
Anybody receive one from this latest batch yet?
Mine came in from the latest batch at AIM and it looks damn near new. The mark on the reviver in the close up is barely visible to the naked eye. No mag included.
https://i.ibb.co/SQ8kHp5/IMG-1077.jpg (https://ibb.co/hXjGrvL)
Looks good cosmetically, how does the bulb on the gas tube look?
Looks good cosmetically, how does the bulb on the gas tube look?
I’m not sure if I’d know what to look for, I don’t mess with DI guns very often. Is it a flat section on the bulb to look out for? When I got home and started replacing the grip I realized that the front sight has been smashed backward. Its jammed rearward between the ears.
At the end of the gas tube, inside the receiver, there should be a small bulb on the end. Mine was flattened out, as I posted in the picture earlier in this thread.
I’m not sure if I’d know what to look for, I don’t mess with DI guns very often. Is it a flat section on the bulb to look out for? When I got home and started replacing the grip I realized that the front sight has been smashed backward. Its jammed rearward between the ears.
Yikes. Should be able to grab it with small vice grips and bend it up enough to remove and replace.
Who's funky handguard is that?
LOL. How does a cop manage to bend a protected front sight all the way back?
The things we've seen on this thread so far. :sarcastic:
titsonritz
12-20-23, 22:52
Who's funky handguard is that?
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Was wondering the same thing.
Was wondering the same thing.
I thought it was Tapco or CAA, but it's not. Interesting rail for sure
My attempts to find an M4 RAS for the 6721 fruitless, I ordered a B&T rail and vertical grip for it. Seems the recent bounty of P&S and Expo rails have also dried up. I wanted to keep it retro with a Colt carbine handguard, but I just prefer a quad rail and vert grip.
My attempts to find an M4 RAS for the 6721 fruitless, I ordered a B&T rail and vertical grip for it. Seems the recent bounty of P&S and Expo rails have also dried up. I wanted to keep it retro with a Colt carbine handguard, but I just prefer a quad rail and vert grip.
Shit. The tidal wave of RAS rails is already gone? The B&T is an outstanding rail though. If you get one of those, you won't be disappointed.
Shit. The tidal wave of RAS rails is already gone? The B&T is an outstanding rail though. If you get one of those, you won't be disappointed.
Retro builders are skyrocketing prices of a lot of things that should be surplussed at 10% of their former retail value. Same way clone builders have soaked up all of those cheap HK parts the Germans dropped on us 20 years ago.
Wish I had grabbed one more of those $99 FN G1 part kits that were in exc. to new condition.
Shit. The tidal wave of RAS rails is already gone? The B&T is an outstanding rail though. If you get one of those, you won't be disappointed.
Oh I know. I already have 3 of them. I’m the one who posted the original thread about them.
My attempts to find an M4 RAS for the 6721 fruitless, I ordered a B&T rail and vertical grip for it. Seems the recent bounty of P&S and Expo rails have also dried up. I wanted to keep it retro with a Colt carbine handguard, but I just prefer a quad rail and vert grip.
if you still need some let me know as mine are mint
SharkArms just had a sale on salty ones fyi, he may still have some
alvincullumyork
01-03-24, 16:57
Aim got another shipment in and it was sold out in less than 20 minutes!
Reading some of the reviews it looks like some people are getting CR6920 rifles instead of the LE6920. What's the difference?
Aim got another shipment in and it was sold out in less than 20 minutes!
Reading some of the reviews it looks like some people are getting CR6920 rifles instead of the LE6920. What's the difference?
Two letters
Aim got another shipment in and it was sold out in less than 20 minutes!
Reading some of the reviews it looks like some people are getting CR6920 rifles instead of the LE6920. What's the difference?
I got one.
I asked on the other site… less than 30 rifles from an NJ department. I’m originally from NJ, so asked if they could say which PD… no idea, as they were bought second hand.
These are LE6920… with B5 MLOK forends.
Difference is markings. LE guns used to be marketed for L/E… and are older. These are prior to Colt getting out of ARs for that short time.
The CR guns are after Colt getting back into ARs. There might have been one before, but I’m not that into the Colt weeds. They also are the ones with the “CARBINE” on the lower. I picked up one from PSA for sub-$900 on a sale. It’s a Colt.
More/less… same gun. I just wanted a spare AR. If it has L/E markings… cool, I guess. But it really will just be another rifle.
Two letters
Exactly. I have a CR prefix Colt FBI and it’s one of the best shooting rifles I own. It’s also built as well as any Colt out there.
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