Zip ties for securing a sling?

[ABNAK]

I got one of those IDF "seatbelt" slings and was wondering if anyone utilized zip ties for securing a sling to the weapon? The only real area where it could be in question is looping it through the FSB.....would it get hot enough to melt a zip tie? I'm talking through the upper part of the FSB, not under the part where the gas tube comes into it.

Kind of like some guys use paracord, but I'm thinking about zip ties.

[Inkslinger]

Zip ties won’t last as long as 550 cord. They start to get brittle after a while. I’ve had them break right out of the pack.

[ViniVidivici]

I don't know why you'd use them over 550 cord though.

I use it on various guns, double loop, tied with a Fishermans Bend.

I wouldn't trust the zip ties, they tend to break or come loose when put under twisting or pulling force, which can happen with a sling, as you well know.

I don't ever loop any thing through the FSB, just because of the heat/melting potential.

[titsonritz]

550 cord is your friend.

[ABNAK]

I don't know why you'd use them over 550 cord though.

I use it on various guns, double loop, tied with a Fishermans Bend.

I wouldn't trust the zip ties, they tend to break or come loose when put under twisting or pulling force, which can happen with a sling, as you well know.

I don't ever loop any thing through the FSB, just because of the heat/melting potential.

Duly noted, as that was my main concern.

However, it is interesting to read the replies 100% in favor of paracord > zip ties. Again, duly noted fellas, thanks.

[Inkslinger]

Take a look at these little gizmos from 100 Concepts.

https://onehundredconcepts.com/products/paracordqdparacordqd

[SteyrAUG]

Why not just stitch feeder tabs to both ends and buckle them in like a standard sling? You could even use those "throw away" slings Colt sends with every rifle.

[ViniVidivici]

Take a look at these little gizmos from 100 Concepts.

https://onehundredconcepts.com/products/paracordqdparacordqd

That's a cool idea right there.

[JediGuy]

If you don’t want to tie a knot, these are good. The Micro option is nice to have available.
https://apedefense.com/shop/soft-goods/slings/ape-defense-sling-loops/

Or Proctor is “the OG” in commercializing the formal 550 setup.
https://www.frankproctorshooting.com/proctor-sling-loops/

Or, BFG has options that are not 550 and retain pseudo-QD capability. U-Loop and UWL may both work for you. I buy most BFG items from their site on sales or clearance, because…I have saved a lot of money with their points. But they can be found a little cheaper at vendors.
https://www.blueforcegear.com/slings/sling-hardware.html

[joedirt199]

Wrap the paracord around the far post vs. The front post of the front sight. Further from the gas port and should have less heat durring extended shot strings.

[Ned Christiansen]

Total no on zip ties for that application. Even the biggest and baddest are not up to it. Here's an older thread about slings if of interest:
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?187949-Sub-awesome-sling-setups/page4

I rig slings on a lot of carbines each summer. The only thing I might use a zip tie for is, heat a nail and burn a hole through the slide 3/4" from the very ned, rig sling, put a zip tie through the hole to keep the end from ever slipping through.

Going through my old thread above I'm surprised to find no pics of what I do with para cord, I'll get some up. Basically on the front I take a piece of paracord one cubit long (ya gotta research that, nyuck nyuck) and make a simple loop from it, about 3" diameter. I choker hitch that thought a hole in the fore end or around teh cross-bar of an A-frame front sight base (where the gas tube goes). I've never had one melt off even though in this installation it's very close to the barrel let alone the gas tube. You can do the same thing up the back of the A frame but then things are flopping into your line of sight.

At the rear I take a length from fingertip to armpit and in the middle make a fairly tight loop, big enough to, say, pass a 3/4" rod. This winds up at the top of the stock slider; the ends go down, inder the slider body, and back up on top where they are knotted and melted-in.

[lysander]

Zip-ties?

No.

Ranger cord is the proper solution for all eventualities.

https://i.imgur.com/DtnwOKB.jpg

[Hank6046]

Ranger cord is the proper solution for all eventualities.

https://i.imgur.com/DtnwOKB.jpg

I can just see the Sgt, "Perfect, that's not going anywhere"

[CrowCommand]

Uhhh wtf is going on there?


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[titsonritz]

Uhhh wtf is going on there?



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That’s the original prototype of the USAF GAU-5A.

[ABNAK]

That’s the original prototype of the USAF GAU-5A .

Don't see the levers that release the barrel (?).

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a30987343/gau-5a-assault-rifle/

[lysander]

That was reported as a failure of the barrel nut threads on the upper during Ranger school. The Ranger Candidate tied the two halves together and continued training until one of the instructors noticed it.

[bamashooter]

Zip-ties?

No.

Ranger cord is the proper solution for all eventualities.

https://i.imgur.com/DtnwOKB.jpg

Looks like a student from down south with some dummy cord. Regarding zip ties. Good field expedient solution. Carry several along with miniature Tobascos.

[GTF425]

Uhhh wtf is going on there?


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Ranger student on the jump into FL.

[markm]

Ranger student on the jump into FL.

That or an ARFcom discrete carry/tennis racket case build for a tactical fag guy!

[ubet]

That was reported as a failure of the barrel nut threads on the upper during Ranger school. The Ranger Candidate tied the two halves together and continued training until one of the instructors noticed it.

I would have liked to been a fly on the wall for that conversation


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[Disciple]

Take a look at these little gizmos from 100 Concepts.

https://onehundredconcepts.com/products/paracordqdparacordqd

Better than a girth hitch (larkshead) on a pigtail?

https://wp-uploads.kitesmart.com.au/2020/09/How-to-tie-a-Larkshead-knot.jpg

[MegademiC]

Better than a girth hitch (larkshead) on a pigtail?

https://wp-uploads.kitesmart.com.au/2020/09/How-to-tie-a-Larkshead-knot.jpg

Its an mlok carabiner! That actually looks slick and beats trying to do a figure 8!

[Inkslinger]

Better than a girth hitch (larkshead) on a pigtail?

https://wp-uploads.kitesmart.com.au/2020/09/How-to-tie-a-Larkshead-knot.jpg

I would say yes. Are you separating those two pieces with one hand quickly?

https://youtu.be/FSkjb4FeIn0?si=7HaBFZDt3M7fzh0g

[grizzlygunner999]

I used way to much zip ties and duct tape on gear during the early OIF years. But it worked.

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[Disciple]

I would say yes. Are you separating those two pieces with one hand quickly?

https://youtu.be/FSkjb4FeIn0?si=7HaBFZDt3M7fzh0g

I cannot do that with the girth hitch but it's quite a bit more secure, weighs less, costs almost nothing, etc. What's the scenario for escaping the sling that quickly? If a break-away action is needed a side release buckle or open tail are fast and work under tension.

[titsonritz]

I cannot do that with the girth hitch but it's quite a bit more secure, weighs less, costs almost nothing, etc. What's the scenario for escaping the sling that quickly? If a break-away action is needed a side release buckle or open tail are fast and work under tension.

You can if you have a fastex buckle like this…

https://www.originalsoegear.com/products/550-sling-adapter

[Disciple]

You can if you have a fastex buckle like this…

https://www.originalsoegear.com/products/550-sling-adapter

Yes, that's a "side release buckle."

[ViniVidivici]

That's the way my slings are, that I made, a fastex buckle serves as the tightening/loosening mechanism, with the fringe benefit of quick release if so needed.

'Bout the only time I use it though is separating lower from upper for maintenance.