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I love the retarded media!
https://i.imgur.com/6ISFJ4h.jpg
Link to actual article in case someone cares.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/deputy-unloads-entire-gun-clip-on-car-after-being-spooked-by-falling-acorn/ar-BB1ihLuM?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=db25096f6d1f4fa990be221cf52b3e9a&ei=52
That's been making the rounds at work. Wonder if the dude had a PTSD type moment? The whole thing is crazy.
Body cams plus whitewash.
https://youtu.be/iVNnxr2SGFg?si=RGs7_xbEVthlnsUM
https://www.sheriff-okaloosa.org/sheriff-eric-aden-on-officer-involved-shooting/
Mr. Jackson is about to become a very wealthy man. Big blue just can’t get out of its own way, some days….
That's been making the rounds at work. Wonder if the dude had a PTSD type moment? The whole thing is crazy.
https://www.sheriff-okaloosa.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/IA-2023-031-Final-Report-Jackson.pdf
Claims to be a West Point grad; 11A with SOF experience. He's wearing a 75th KIA bracelet.
I'm skeptical of that.
Apparently an acorn falling on top of his vehicle is what set this shit show off. :eek:
Wild. Hate to say it, but this officer is unfit to be on duty. Not just spooked by the acorn sound, but actually thought he was shot. Definitely dealing with some kind of mental breakdown there.
Coal Dragger
02-14-24, 15:49
https://www.sheriff-okaloosa.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/IA-2023-031-Final-Report-Jackson.pdf
Claims to be a West Point grad; 11A with SOF experience. He's wearing a 75th KIA bracelet.
I'm skeptical of that.
I’m not skeptical at all. West Point grad.
The product coming out of that institution hasn’t won a war in going on 79 years.
Apparently an acorn falling on top of his vehicle is what set this shit show off. :eek:
Hope he doesn't start a new career at an orchard.
What did I just watch. Did the guy in the car have a Hollywood silenced gun on him? That they missed during the initial pat down??
I didn’t hear anything that sounded like gunfire till the officers started shooting. Did they shoot the cruiser full of holes?? Guessing the guy was unarmed and the officers shot one another or was the person claiming he was hit not really hit????
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Look at the search for weapon. The S.O. barely patted the guy, like he was scared to touch another man. That dude could have carried four guns and the deputy would still miss it.
That acorn is really something.
The sound of a suppressed gun vs. an acorn falling on a car roof is not in the same ballpark. They should take all of their deputies (hell, all police) to the range and somebody fire several suppressed guns in various caliber. They don't sound like acorn.
titsonritz
02-14-24, 16:22
I saw this earlier on a Mike Glover video. Not only did the cop think he was taking fire and emptied his “clip”, he thinks and act like he actually got shot. I don’t think this is the guy I want backing be up. Glover recalled a similar friendly fire incident in combat that cost a team member his life. He talked about the importance of decompressing from high stress jobs with BJJ and other physical activities. Luckily the guy in the car survived.
The female was also shooting in to the brush.
Acorns have tremendous knock down power.
https://www.sheriff-okaloosa.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/IA-2023-031-Final-Report-Jackson.pdf
Claims to be a West Point grad; 11A with SOF experience. He's wearing a 75th KIA bracelet.
I'm skeptical of that.
In the interview he says he was a SF officer with 10 years experience and two tours in Afghanistan. Though he never saw direct combat. Said he had heard suppressed weapons before and it sounded the same.
I still think this is some sort of mental health event. He was acting like he had been hit. Whole thing is weird.
Every time I see a video like this I think "wow that is the most bizarre one I'll ever see."
I am ALL for officers having a combative mindset but damn. Guy in the car was very, very lucky if he actually was not hit.
Once again THIS should become a training video. As much as this guy misunderstood almost every thing around him, his partner was a ****ing rock star. Right into the game, great communication, good balance of aggression and restraint.
But every cop in the nation is gonna have to put up with "I've been hit...with an acorn" for probably a year because of this one.
I still think this is some sort of mental health event. He was acting like he had been hit. Whole thing is weird.
I think it was just a colossal **** up.
I believe him when he says he thought he heard a suppressed gun shot. He was completely wrong, but I believe that is what he thought it was.
I believe him when he says he thought he was hit. He was completely wrong, but I believe he really did think he was hit.
Not one bit of it is excusable, but I believe him when he says he thought that is what is happening. He's really, really, really lucky he didn't kill the guy in custody.
I think it was just a colossal **** up.
I believe him when he says he thought he heard a suppressed gun shot. He was completely wrong, but I believe that is what he thought it was.
I believe him when he says he thought he was hit. He was completely wrong, but I believe he really did think he was hit.
Not one bit of it is excusable, but I believe him when he says he thought that is what is happening. He's really, really, really lucky he didn't kill the guy in custody.
Not sure about cheering her on for shooting at something she couldn't see. That's compounded by her not cuffing Little Acorn and having him sit on the curb after learning his claims were false.
titsonritz
02-14-24, 17:03
Here’s that Glover video.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2EHGI6_9O-o
I think it was just a colossal **** up.
I believe him when he says he thought he heard a suppressed gun shot. He was completely wrong, but I believe that is what he thought it was.
I believe him when he says he thought he was hit. He was completely wrong, but I believe he really did think he was hit.
Not one bit of it is excusable, but I believe him when he says he thought that is what is happening. He's really, really, really lucky he didn't kill the guy in custody.
Im not trying to excuse the guy or anything. But that seems way over the top for a normal sound minded person.
titsonritz
02-14-24, 17:10
Acorns have tremendous knock down power.
Pine cones are for the serious business.
Where did all those misses end up? Unprofessional, reckless and dangerous.
... his partner was a ****ing rock star. Right into the game, great communication, good balance of aggression and restraint.
I like her communication, but it looks as if she is shooting without identifying a target. Seems very reckless. Are cops trained to just start sending rounds in the general vicinity off where they think a bad guy is, and if they are wrong, oh well?
If any of us did that we'd be in jail.
I'm sure there is more to the story, and my take might be wrong, but I thought one had to first identify a target before opening fire on it.
That's been making the rounds at work. Wonder if the dude had a PTSD type moment? The whole thing is crazy.
Seems like it..I couldn't hear anything hitting the police car and normally acorns make a decent sound. I was at a body shop one time and heard the tingy noise as one hit the roof on a car and was like "what was that"
Not sure about cheering her on for shooting at something she couldn't see. That's compounded by her not cuffing Little Acorn and having him sit on the curb after learning his claims were false.
I know by default the police are "always wrong" in your mind but she acted within reasonable belief that her partner was under fire / had been shot and he ID'd the source of the fire.
I understand in your mind, he should have been executed on the spot for being wrong, but it seems like instead they were doing things in priority. Checking out the officer in question, confirming events. Hopefully while concurrently checking out the guy in custody and confirming events. Have not looked into it but seems like he was dismissed after complete review of the incident, he might still be charged and arrested.
But at the scene was probably not the f'ing time to cuff him up. They will still probably walking around looking for the rounds his vest could have stopped for the next few hours. And it's not like they didn't know who he was or that he was a flight risk. It certainly didn't look like he did anything intentional. But because he grossly misjudged the situation, he pretty much f'ed his career and will probably be buried in a civil suit.
Im not trying to excuse the guy or anything. But that seems way over the top for a normal sound minded person.
If I wasn't clear enough with "he was completely wrong", by that I mean he engaged in gross misjudgement of the situation and only dumb luck prevented him from killing somebody. Sounds like he had a solid background but turns out not everyone is a good fit for LE.
Where did all those misses end up? Unprofessional, reckless and dangerous.
I hope they are all contained in the vehicle, LOTS of houses in the background.
I like her communication, but it looks as if she is shooting without identifying a target. Seems very reckless. Are cops trained to just start sending rounds in the general vicinity off where they think a bad guy is, and if they are wrong, oh well?
If any of us did that we'd be in jail.
I'm sure there is more to the story, and my take might be wrong, but I thought one had to first identify a target before opening fire on it.
So he ID'd the vehicle as the source of the fire. I'm sure the guy was on the floor and not visible. Since she believed the shot (which of course never actually happened) came from the vehicle she Bonnie and Clyde'd the vehicle in what I imagine was an attempt to suppress any additional fire.
I find her actions completely within reasonable limits given she believed the suspect just shot her partner and was likely to shoot every other LEO he could.
This is why his actions were unacceptable, because saying things like "shots fired" and "I'm hit" can put a LOT of things in motion and real cops are gonna start trying to save your life.
Pine cones are for the serious business.
Pine cones would be like RPG.
I know by default the police are "always wrong" in your mind but she acted within reasonable belief that her partner was under fire / had been shot and he ID'd the source of the fire.
I understand in your mind, he should have been executed on the spot for being wrong, but it seems like instead they were doing things in priority. Checking out the officer in question, confirming events. Hopefully while concurrently checking out the guy in custody and confirming events. Have not looked into it but seems like he was dismissed after complete review of the incident, he might still be charged and arrested.
But at the scene was probably not the f'ing time to cuff him up. They will still probably walking around looking for the rounds his vest could have stopped for the next few hours. And it's not like they didn't know who he was or that he was a flight risk. It certainly didn't look like he did anything intentional. But because he grossly misjudged the situation, he pretty much f'ed his career and will probably be buried in a civil suit.
Well if you want to go that route, in your mind(and the minds of many others that explicitly stated this) Amber Guyger should at least be running around loose instead of in prison because she claimed she thought she was walking in to her apartment when she murdered Botham Jean.
The fact remains the female did not identify a threat, but started shooting blindly anyway.
I don't give a damn what the occupation of a person is who has such a vivid imagination that it passes in to the hallucination range and then responds violently based on that imagination. I didn't say anything about not knowing the deputies name or his being a flight risk, but it shouldn't have taken more than a few minutes to figure his story was bogus and it seems an odd course of action for a group so concerned about going home safe to leave an individual that had exhibited such a wild display of bizarrely violent behavior unsecured at the scene.
Per the Sheriff's press release, acorn boy didn't do anything illegal. So unless he gets charged federally(unlikely since no death, but would certainly bring a great outcry of foul from his defenders) acorn is free and clear to move on to another agency.
I hope they are all contained in the vehicle, LOTS of houses in the background.
Yep, lucky he didn't kill several people with that wild barrage. Still don't understand how you can "think" you're hit.
But I'm not a cop and I don't hate the police. I suppose stress can do weird stuff to people. I'm thinking were I his Captain, as punishment, I'd make him find all his bullets.
titsonritz
02-14-24, 20:15
Yep, lucky he didn't kill several people with that wild barrage. Still don't understand how you can "think" you're hit.
He probably hurt himself tripping over his feet and impacted something on his duty belt.
He probably hurt himself tripping over his feet and impacted something on his duty belt.
That makes sense now.
I’m not skeptical at all. West Point grad.
The product coming out of that institution hasn’t won a war in going on 79 years.
Underrated comment here. *slow golf clap*
Averageman
02-14-24, 20:56
I’m not skeptical at all. West Point grad.
The product coming out of that institution hasn’t won a war in going on 79 years.
Ha ha ha ha!
The only skill I've found every West Point Graduate could do, out of the blocks was read a Map, they had that over most non West Point Grads. Then you put them on a tank and they have to learn All Over Again.
The trick to navigating when mounted on Tanks or Bradleys was to find yourself on the Map, then read 2K's ahead of where you are from then on. Reading a map in Germany was easy because the tree lines have always remained the same and their are a lot of Monuments.
Its easier to go from mounted land navigation to dismounted, however the reverse dismounted to mounted land Nav is difficult for some people because everything moves so fast.
I have no idea what was going through his mind, but he's wrapped way too tight.
We might have lost a lot of good young Men over the last three decades to this.
I’m not skeptical at all. West Point grad.
The product coming out of that institution hasn’t won a war in going on 79 years.
Not the West Point thing; I couldn't care less about ring knockers. I'm skeptical he was combat arms at all. Dude's a ****ing pussy.
FromMyColdDeadHand
02-14-24, 21:52
Body cams plus whitewash.
https://youtu.be/iVNnxr2SGFg?si=RGs7_xbEVthlnsUM
https://www.sheriff-okaloosa.org/sheriff-eric-aden-on-officer-involved-shooting/
Oh my God, what a F’in retard. You know he crapped his pants. The screaming girlfriend is just the toping on the cake. That guy isn’t qualified to be a cop? Crap, I think they should take him to the puzzle factory for a re-boot. That they didn’t actually kill the guy is proof of how retarded he is. F’ing porn moustache…
Where did all those misses end up? Unprofessional, reckless and dangerous.
And a whole lotta drama queen. Poor little bitch.
Wow! That might be one of the stupidest ****ing things I’ve ever seen. That guy needs to be done. He should go work in an ice cream shop or something.
It looks like he shot up the back of the SUV pretty good, lucky it was an SUV, lots of surface area to catch those bullets. You can see parts of the tailgate flying and falling off, glass shattering. Maybe that red dot helped putting the bullets within that 4' x 4' backstop.
I think homey in the car should sue the SO.
The female was also shooting in to the brush.
So she identified the tree that attacked the officer and engaged it that quickly? Pretty solid situational awareness! I initially thought she was trying to kill the other officer.
Andy
So she identified the tree that attacked the officer and engaged it that quickly? Pretty solid situational awareness! I initially thought she was trying to kill the other officer.
Andy
As in not really seeing what she was shooting at in to the brush. Looking at the angles(and the mental state) they were likely a danger to each other.
As in not really seeing what she was shooting at in to the brush. Looking at the angles(and the mental state) they were likely a danger to each other.
Sarcasm my friend. Your take is spot on.
This reminds me of that cop here in Tennessee who had some kind of mental issue and opened fire on a house while an EMT was in front of him using his body to shield a patient
This reminds me of that cop here in Tennessee who had some kind of mental issue and opened fire on a house while an EMT was in front of him using his body to shield a patient
Not sure how it turned out, but they blamed that shooting on a guy(and charged him) with a cell phone because recording the deputy caused the deputy to have a panic attack that resulted in him shooting up the neighborhood.
https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/crime/2018/01/17/sevier-deputy-panic-attack-case-forced-resign-prior-law-enforcement-job/1034932001/
In the interview he says he was a SF officer with 10 years experience and two tours in Afghanistan. Though he never saw direct combat. Said he had heard suppressed weapons before and it sounded the same.
I still think this is some sort of mental health event. He was acting like he had been hit. Whole thing is weird.This. Lots of things not adding up.
He joined that sheriff's department as a cadet in 2022. At that time deputy starting salary was $42K.
He claimed at that point he had been in the army 10 years.
Many aspects of his timeline just don't work out. You can't even put in a packet for SF as an officer until you are a CPT (or 1LT promotable to CPT).
Funny thing about the army, they post and distribute Captain promotions. The only Jesse Hernandez I found in a search was promoted in 2012. (It's possible I miss his, but it's usually pretty easy to find)
Jesse Hernandez is a fairly common name, but if that's him it doesn't match with his 10 years experience. If he made captain in 2012, he would have more than 10 years of experience by 2022.
Disparaging comments about West Point grad's notwithstanding, I also find it highly unlikely that a grad that stayed past the minimum to reach Captain with an SF background would join the sheriff's office as a deputy for $42k a year. To be blunt, they have a lot better prospects than that.
Civvy career prospects would be quite good for any officer good enough to get recommendations for SF. It's not an automatic go to SFAS, You have to have stellar recommendations from senior raters and similar.
If he commissioned via USMA I don't see any evidence of it, nor evidence that fits his timeline that he made captain. Which would have occurred prior to or during SFAS/Q course.
Stranger things have happened (commie USMA grad), but just a lot of things are suspicious that make me think he's the proverbial SF seal sniper ranger via West Point to boot.
Full disclosure: I did not serve, and I respect those who do. But I am *very* familiar with the West Point commission and early officer pipeline below field grade. Given each USMA class is about a 1000 to 1500 something tells me that for all the bad ones you guys have experienced there might just be some good officers in there as well.
Disparaging comments about West Point grad's notwithstanding, I also find it highly unlikely that a grad that stayed past the minimum to reach Captain with an SF background would join the sheriff's office as a deputy for $42k a year.
The deputies were making at least 30% more than that.
https://www.sheriff-okaloosa.org/join-ocso/employment/
Per capita for Ocaloosa is $40,002
The deputies were making at least 30% more than that.
They bumped the pay then, the article in 2022 the sheriff mentioned the starting salary of $42K which was above average for starting deputies.
You've kind of missed the point anyway, a USMA grad who made Captain with an honorable discharge I would be surprised to see civvy job anything under a $100-120k, often more.
They can get into pretty much any grad school they want, and usually do. That is based on the quality of education, probably with some assumptions about resolve as well.
The exceptions might be some of the diversity candidates. But I can tell you with confidence that any white or Asian USMA grad who is not the son of a general had to be extremely good to get in and make it out in good standing.
I know some extremely good ones very well and I also know some that are embarrassing. I have similar experiences with enlisted.
We going to make disparaging comments about the E3 spending 70% of his take-home pay on a Challenger and insurance? Whose officer has to defend regarding wife/girlfriend abuse charges? Theft & prostitution rings? Talk local LEO out of felony charges for DUI or fighting in the local strip club?
I know that officers sometimes get caught in the above as well, but numerically and statistically officers have to deal withquite a bit of felony stuff from their enlisted.
To be fair, soldiers and officers in the US army commit crime on average less than the civilian population. That despite the fact that 20% of soldiers have violent crime convictions versus 7% civilian.
I'm old enough to know that stereotypes exist for a reason, but they're rarely true across entire populations. Most generalisms are wrong.
I think it's okay to joke about the proverbial ring knockers and private snuffy stereotypes. (Even though many USMA grads do not even wear their rings in the mil to try to break that stereotype)
I draw the line at making disparaging comments about entire groups of soldiers or officers based on the behavior of a few.
Especially in this case where it looks like he's got a mental health issue. At best he has PTSD. I can assure you that in no course at USMA do they teach you to shoot at falling acorns.
Well, at least he got home safe.
ViniVidivici
02-15-24, 09:58
This is becoming a disturbing trend.
Almost every day now online I'm seeing another story like this.
Just the other day it was those two dumb biitch soccer mommies with badges unloading their guns into an apartment, at the resident.
So now, in addition to gangs, tweakers, other violent thugs, and the ever-present 5150 zombies walking around, I have to watch out for idiot cops randomly unloading like this?
This is getting ridiculous. These nincompoops are lucky nobody's shooting back at them, yet.
This. Lots of things not adding up.
He joined that sheriff's department as a cadet in 2022. At that time deputy starting salary was $42K.
He claimed at that point he had been in the army 10 years.
Many aspects of his timeline just don't work out. You can't even put in a packet for SF as an officer until you are a CPT (or 1LT promotable to CPT).
Funny thing about the army, they post and distribute Captain promotions. The only Jesse Hernandez I found in a search was promoted in 2012. (It's possible I miss his, but it's usually pretty easy to find)
Jesse Hernandez is a fairly common name, but if that's him it doesn't match with his 10 years experience. If he made captain in 2012, he would have more than 10 years of experience by 2022.
Disparaging comments about West Point grad's notwithstanding, I also find it highly unlikely that a grad that stayed past the minimum to reach Captain with an SF background would join the sheriff's office as a deputy for $42k a year. To be blunt, they have a lot better prospects than that.
Civvy career prospects would be quite good for any officer good enough to get recommendations for SF. It's not an automatic go to SFAS, You have to have stellar recommendations from senior raters and similar.
If he commissioned via USMA I don't see any evidence of it, nor evidence that fits his timeline that he made captain. Which would have occurred prior to or during SFAS/Q course.
Stranger things have happened (commie USMA grad), but just a lot of things are suspicious that make me think he's the proverbial SF seal sniper ranger via West Point to boot.
Full disclosure: I did not serve, and I respect those who do. But I am *very* familiar with the West Point commission and early officer pipeline below field grade. Given each USMA class is about a 1000 to 1500 something tells me that for all the bad ones you guys have experienced there might just be some good officers in there as well.
They bumped the pay then, the article in 2022 the sheriff mentioned the starting salary of $42K which was above average for starting deputies.
You've kind of missed the point anyway, a USMA grad who made Captain with an honorable discharge I would be surprised to see civvy job anything under a $100-120k, often more.
They can get into pretty much any grad school they want, and usually do. That is based on the quality of education, probably with some assumptions about resolve as well.
The exceptions might be some of the diversity candidates. But I can tell you with confidence that any white or Asian USMA grad who is not the son of a general had to be extremely good to get in and make it out in good standing.
I know some extremely good ones very well and I also know some that are embarrassing. I have similar experiences with enlisted.
We going to make disparaging comments about the E3 spending 70% of his take-home pay on a Challenger and insurance? Whose officer has to defend regarding wife/girlfriend abuse charges? Theft & prostitution rings? Talk local LEO out of felony charges for DUI or fighting in the local strip club?
I know that officers sometimes get caught in the above as well, but numerically and statistically officers have to deal withquite a bit of felony stuff from their enlisted.
To be fair, soldiers and officers in the US army commit crime on average less than the civilian population. That despite the fact that 20% of soldiers have violent crime convictions versus 7% civilian.
I'm old enough to know that stereotypes exist for a reason, but they're rarely true across entire populations. Most generalisms are wrong.
I think it's okay to joke about the proverbial ring knockers and private snuffy stereotypes. (Even though many USMA grads do not even wear their rings in the mil to try to break that stereotype)
I draw the line at making disparaging comments about entire groups of soldiers or officers based on the behavior of a few.
Especially in this case where it looks like he's got a mental health issue. At best he has PTSD. I can assure you that in no course at USMA do they teach you to shoot at falling acorns.
The whole report, this whole event, is just sketchy as hell. I also do not buy West Point alumni and SOF guy. The results of what happened just don't match that background and experience.
That said, the bell curve is a thing, and there are underperformers at WP and in SOF, so who knows... But I will save making any conclusions until there's more info.
That was on Okaloosa Island/county, my favorite vacation location. I'll keep my eyes out for deputy Jesse Hernandez next time we're there.
I'll keep my eyes out for deputy Jesse Hernandez next time we're there.
I'm scratching my head at the lady officer's actions. Even though she was found justified to use deadly force, firing multiple shots into the backseat of the cruiser blindly is just outright scary.
This is not at all a justification, but they supposedly had photos of a suppressor and the victim had been repeatedly stating that the bad guy that they couldn't find had a suppressor.
The deputy stated that he heard what he thought was a suppressed shot.
I still think the guy had to have mental issues of some kind. But a large acorn or hickory nut hitting a car from 30 ft above is about as loud as a suppressed shot. So I can sort of see him being startled, but not starting a mag dump.
Based on the article… the deputy resigned.
Adrenaline_6
02-15-24, 12:50
What in the???
Tactical pinecones will be the new rage. I would bet money there will be tactical pinecones in the next Call of Duty video game.
Well if you want to go that route, in your mind(and the minds of many others that explicitly stated this) Amber Guyger should at least be running around loose instead of in prison because she claimed she thought she was walking in to her apartment when she murdered Botham Jean.
That's hardly an equivalency, and IIRC she was impaired, her actions were not reasonable and that is why she got 10 years.
That's hardly an equivalency, and IIRC she was impaired, her actions were not reasonable and that is why she got 10 years.
She was not impaired: https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/dallas-officer-accused-of-killing-neighbor-had-no-drugs-or-alcohol-in-system-detectives-testifies/
And yes it is equivalent because(if she was telling the truth) "she believed" she was walking in to her apartment and was in fear for her life which(according to many of her defenders) meant it was totally justified.
Some wanted her to not get a prison sentence while others thought she should also get her job back.
And neither incident(giving her the huge benefit of the doubt she was telling the truth) was based on what most would consider rational thought.
titsonritz
02-15-24, 13:45
I'm scratching my head at the lady officer's actions. Even though she was found justified to use deadly force, firing multiple shots into the backseat of the cruiser blindly is just outright scary..
But hey at least she held onto that paperwork.
The whole report, this whole event, is just sketchy as hell. I also do not buy West Point alumni and SOF guy. The results of what happened just don't match that background and experience.
That said, the bell curve is a thing, and there are underperformers at WP and in SOF, so who knows... But I will save making any conclusions until there's more info.
Was talking about this yesterday with some people and we have a possible theory. Maybe he worked with/for a SOF unit but not actually an 18 series or Batt dude? Like some sort of support guy. That makes sense of the 2 tours in Afghanistan with no combat experience.
Coal Dragger
02-15-24, 17:41
Another uniformed administrator.
I just saw the video today and came over here to see if someone had posted a thread about it. Pure insanity. How both of them were cleared of any wrongdoing is beyond me. The cop is an actual full-on retard and his partner is no better. Just run up and start mag dumping without identifying if or where there's a threat and then ask "where is he?" Shoot first ask questions later huh?
I just saw the video today and came over here to see if someone had posted a thread about it. Pure insanity. How both of them were cleared of any wrongdoing is beyond me. The cop is an actual full-on retard and his partner is no better. Just run up and start mag dumping without identifying if or where there's a threat and then ask "where is he?" Shoot first ask questions later huh?
He wasn't cleared, he resigned to avoid getting fired.
He wasn't cleared, he resigned to avoid getting fired.
Per Sheriff Eric Aden:
"The deputies were cleared however of any criminal wrongdoing."
Per Sheriff Eric Aden:
"The deputies were cleared however of any criminal wrongdoing."
The story develops. First ones I read there seemed to be agreement that it was well outside a "reasonable response."
The story develops. First ones I read there seemed to be agreement that it was well outside a "reasonable response."
That's in the same press release I called a whitewash.
"The internal investigation by Okaloosa County Sheriff’s Office Professional Standards ultimately determined his use of force during a call on November 12th was not objectively reasonable."
Sheriff Eric Aden on Officer Involved Shooting Investigation | Okaloosa County Sheriff's Office
https://www.sheriff-okaloosa.org/sheriff-eric-aden-on-officer-involved-shooting/
Acorn falls on car, officer hits the ground and mag dumps into his own car while screaming “I’m hit” and crawls away. Another officer starts shooting, at what I have no idea. Are we sure this isn’t an unreleased episode of Reno 911?
You shoot what you can see. You shoot based on what you actually know. Area fire is an unacceptable practice in the Law Enforcement community.
There were quite a few rounds fired in this incident, unbelievable!
ViniVidivici
02-16-24, 11:00
And again, the kind of thing that any one of us non-LE (I know most here, but not all, are smart enough not to do this) would have been nailed to the wall for, but these incompetent fuucktards get a pat on the head and sent home?
You shoot what you can see.
I'd argue that there's a time and place to shoot where you know the threat is even though you can't perfectly see him. There was a shooting where the driver of a truck who was stopped shot an officer by the driver's door in the body armor and knocked him down. Another officer button hooked behind the tail gate and dumped a mag into the drivers seat area killing the shitbag. He couldn't see the guy, but made a clean and legit shoot.
I'd argue that there's a time and place to shoot where you know the threat is even though you can't perfectly see him. There was a shooting where the driver of a truck who was stopped shot an officer by the driver's door in the body armor and knocked him down. Another officer button hooked behind the tail gate and dumped a mag into the drivers seat area killing the shitbag. He couldn't see the guy, but made a clean and legit shoot.
True, but in that case the officer knew exactly what the threat was and where it was. The lady cop here just mag dumped into the car and then asked "where is he?" indicating that she didn't know what she was supposed to be shooting at, but just started blasting anyway.
And again, the kind of thing that any one of us non-LE (I know most here, but not all, are smart enough not to do this) would have been nailed to the wall for, but these incompetent fuucktards get a pat on the head and sent home?
Exactly this. Any one of us would be sitting in a jail cell for doing the same thing.
Ha ha ha ha!
The only skill I've found every West Point Graduate could do, out of the blocks was read a Map, they had that over most non West Point Grads. Then you put them on a tank and they have to learn All Over Again.
The trick to navigating when mounted on Tanks or Bradleys was to find yourself on the Map, then read 2K's ahead of where you are from then on. Reading a map in Germany was easy because the tree lines have always remained the same and their are a lot of Monuments.
Its easier to go from mounted land navigation to dismounted, however the reverse dismounted to mounted land Nav is difficult for some people because everything moves so fast.
I have no idea what was going through his mind, but he's wrapped way too tight.
We might have lost a lot of good young Men over the last three decades to this.
As a Stinger team lead, I had to do a lot of mounted navigation. You're definitely right about it being a challenge. I like to think I got pretty good at it. After all, I only ever put us behind enemy lines once, and I only inadvertently invaded one foreign nation! :D
The Dumb Gun Collector
02-16-24, 20:56
71407. <<<<hilarious meme
As a Stinger team lead, I had to do a lot of mounted navigation. You're definitely right about it being a challenge. I like to think I got pretty good at it. After all, I only ever put us behind enemy lines once, and I only inadvertently invaded one foreign nation! :D
Who hasn't had a new Lt have you accidentally invade another country?
I spent a few minutes in Iran once. Shitty place.
Coal Dragger
02-16-24, 21:57
71407. <<<<hilarious meme
Have we stopped to consider that he appears to be armed with a SIG P320?
There’s a greater than 0% chance his pistol started firing of its own accord and he was merely ensuring it was firing into the safest back stop available.
Maybe this man is actually a hero!
Have we stopped to consider that he appears to be armed with a SIG P320?
There’s a greater than 0% chance his pistol started firing of its own accord and he was merely ensuring it was firing into the safest back stop available.
Maybe this man is actually a hero!
Post of the day
Have we stopped to consider that he appears to be armed with a SIG P320?
There’s a greater than 0% chance his pistol started firing of its own accord and he was merely ensuring it was firing into the safest back stop available.
Maybe this man is actually a hero!
Send that to the Sheriff and there is a good chance there will be a new press release on why Little Acorn is back.
The Dumb Gun Collector
02-17-24, 10:03
71408
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hotbiggun42
02-17-24, 12:56
You guys never had acorn fights with slingshots when you were kids? They sting!
Wondered if any had noticed the similarities.
https://youtu.be/TdvzsyFP2-I?si=nbdZc6Haxtc2chpL
The poor guy sitting handcuffed in that cruiser probably needed to change his underwear after that fiasco.
titsonritz
02-17-24, 14:33
The last time we had an internet sensation on this level it was the DEA agent who shots himself through the foot with a Glock 40 immediately after stating he was only one in the room professional enough to handle a Glock 40.
Don't forget Tex Grabner.
Coal Dragger
02-17-24, 14:44
The last time we had an internet sensation on this level it was the DEA agent who shots himself through the foot with a Glock 40 immediately after stating he was only one in the room professional enough to handle a Glock 40.
Maybe that dude, and officer Acorn can get together and form a firearms training company.
titsonritz
02-17-24, 14:47
Don't forget Tex Grabner.
“I just ****ing shot myself” lol
You’re right, forget about that one.
If not posted, the bodycams. He also falls over and claims he was hit. The entire thing is bizarre:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVNnxr2SGFg
If not posted, the bodycams. He also falls over and claims he was hit. The entire thing is bizarre:
Yes Will, we've talked about his fall, roll over, crawl, squeal, yelp many times. :)
The poor guy sitting handcuffed in that cruiser probably needed to change his underwear after that fiasco.
I bet he was UNDER the floormats. Can you imagine. You think you "might" be going up for car theft and then they start to minigun the car you are in like it's a Terminator film. Not sure what kind of gynmastics he pulled to survive that but he is damn lucky.
titsonritz
02-17-24, 18:50
. Not sure what kind of gynmastics he pulled to survive that but he is damn lucky.
Hoodland Matrix.
I bet he was UNDER the floormats. Can you imagine. You think you "might" be going up for car theft and then they start to minigun the car you are in like it's a Terminator film. Not sure what kind of gynmastics he pulled to survive that but he is damn lucky.
Curious about how many rounds went elsewhere because only 1 hit was mentioned in the whitewash along with:
"I asked Sergeant Roberts if she had considered the backdrop of where she was shooting.
She said she had and that behind where she was firing was an open street and closed
businesses." which is a long, long way from "unoccupied" that all parties would like to imply.
Curious about how many rounds went elsewhere because only 1 hit was mentioned in the whitewash along with:
"I asked Sergeant Roberts if she had considered the backdrop of where she was shooting.
She said she had and that behind where she was firing was an open street and closed
businesses." which is a long, long way from "unoccupied" that all parties would like to imply.
The acorn guy was worse, he had nothing but people and houses in his background. The only thing I saw in her background was Acorn Cop.
titsonritz
02-17-24, 21:17
The acorn guy was worse, he had nothing but people and houses in his background. The only thing I saw in her background was Acorn Cop.
…and the assault oak tree.
Yes Will, we've talked about his fall, roll over, crawl, squeal, yelp many times. :)
I didn't read the 9 pages of the thread to see it. Never seen anything quite like that one. Here's the full report:
https://www.sheriff-okaloosa.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/IA-2023-031-Final-Report-Jackson.pdf
FromMyColdDeadHand
02-18-24, 10:09
Sounds like the (now) former cop should have a PSD made of squirrels.
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I’m starting to think Officer Don Quixote had some type of mental break, which is the only explanation I can come up with for his Reno 911 behavior. Sgt. Sancho Panza, with more than 10 years experience, should have known better when she mag dumped into the cruiser before asking where the shooter is.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JmTonwKdHac?feature=share
Adrenaline_6
02-20-24, 08:38
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JmTonwKdHac?feature=share
LOL...and so it begins.
Averageman
02-20-24, 11:13
I'm trying to wrap my mind around being that keyed up immeadiatly. That Man appeared to go from 0 to Krazy in .25 seconds, very intense.
I guess I'm used to the "Slow Burn" rather than an immeadiate change like that.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JmTonwKdHac?feature=share
Good comms, nice roll technique, zero hits, got home safe.
Overall expertly done. 10/10.
As in not really seeing what she was shooting at in to the brush. Looking at the angles(and the mental state) they were likely a danger to each other.
They just need to take her firearms away completely... in case her aim is any better than her judgement.
Per Sheriff Eric Aden:
"The deputies were cleared however of any criminal wrongdoing."
"criminal"... not other kinds of wrongdoing, for which he was most probably about to be fined.
Red pill/Blue pill.
"criminal"... not other kinds of wrongdoing, for which he was most probably about to be fined.
Red pill/Blue pill.
Looking at Florida law, it seems likely they would have determined non-special snowflakes did engage in criminal wrongdoing.
https://www.husseinandwebber.com/crimes/violent-crimes/culpable-negligence/
joedirt199
02-21-24, 17:39
Dept. probably paid the cuffed guy some money to hush up and go away.
Not to be outdone by officer Acorn, police in Columbus, GA lit up a speeder they pulled over when his car backfired. Shot up the BWM and blew a couple of his fingers off when he stuck up his arms to surrender.
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/officer-opens-fire-ga-mans-car-after-it-backfires-during-traffic-stop-lawyer-says/YYMMINFWRJHN5NYF4K7XBLC74A/
And yet another example of utter retardation in LE.
"Texas woman mistaken as a home intruder by two female cops said she saw holes appear in the wall before she realized what was happening. The two female cops mag dumped the instant they saw her, and then some."
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1760667256785395944
joedirt199
02-23-24, 06:40
Not to be outdone by officer Acorn, police in Columbus, GA lit up a speeder they pulled over when his car backfired. Shot up the BWM and blew a couple of his fingers off when he stuck up his arms to surrender.
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/officer-opens-fire-ga-mans-car-after-it-backfires-during-traffic-stop-lawyer-says/YYMMINFWRJHN5NYF4K7XBLC74A/
We did the same to a guy who we pursued for some time. He was a major turd in our county and was trying to ram the patrol car when he put his BMW in a ditch. The car backfired and two deputies opened fire. One deputy fired one shot and hit the hood of his supervisor's car he was using at the time. The other lit up the driver side window and killed the guy. The evidence techs were able to get the car to back fire after the fact when no gun was found in the car during the incident.
Some more awesomeness. K-9 grabs officer but then decides to just go for a jog with the perp. Cruisers crashing into each other, driving through ditches, etc….
https://twitter.com/jimmy_gable/status/1759695670569500998
And yet another example of utter retardation in LE.
"Texas woman mistaken as a home intruder by two female cops said she saw holes appear in the wall before she realized what was happening. The two female cops mag dumped the instant they saw her, and then some."
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1760667256785395944
Same thing happened in my AO a few years ago. An officer was creeping around a house in the dark on a prowler call and saw a guy standing in the living room through an open window holding a gun. The officer shot and killed the homeowner and got away with it.
Note to self: call the police after I take care of the burglar myself.
Same thing happened in my AO a few years ago. An officer was creeping around a house in the dark on a prowler call and saw a guy standing in the living room through an open window holding a gun. The officer shot and killed the homeowner and got away with it.
Note to self: call the police after I take care of the burglar myself.I think I remember that.
Some more awesomeness. K-9 grabs officer but then decides to just go for a jog with the perp. Cruisers crashing into each other, driving through ditches, etc….
https://twitter.com/jimmy_gable/status/1759695670569500998
That was funny. :laugh:
Some more awesomeness. K-9 grabs officer but then decides to just go for a jog with the perp. Cruisers crashing into each other, driving through ditches, etc….
https://twitter.com/jimmy_gable/status/1759695670569500998
Wow Keystone Kops 2024. Looks like every cruiser was damaged to some extent. The only way that whole CF is more embarrassing is if the suspect got away.
- public drunk chief interferes with a DUI investigation, drunk chief and Sgt. go hands on each other, threats tossed back and forth, Sgt. hands keys back to drunkchief, and drunk chief allowed to go on his merry drunken way.
https://youtu.be/1EEEPCIDh9Q?si=W5nWvQdIGhH7e543
- public drunk chief interferes with a DUI investigation, drunk chief and Sgt. go hands on each other, threats tossed back and forth, Sgt. hands keys back to drunkchief, and drunk chief allowed to go on his merry drunken way.
https://youtu.be/1EEEPCIDh9Q?si=W5nWvQdIGhH7e543
Ya know. I really did truly believe dash cams and body cams would bring an end to that "catch and release" practice. It really should be a case of both of you guys are now without a job.
Ya know. I really did truly believe dash cams and body cams would bring an end to that "catch and release" practice. It really should be a case of both of you guys are now without a job.
Pretty sure that criminal charges are very much in order as well.
Pretty sure that criminal charges are very much in order as well.
At least the chief wasn't actually driving. I thought the chief was the subject of the DUI stop initially. I try not to watch vids from the NYP.
At least the chief wasn't actually driving. I thought the chief was the subject of the DUI stop initially. I try not to watch vids from the NYP.Oh, didn't realize he wasn't driving either.
Some more awesomeness. K-9 grabs officer but then decides to just go for a jog with the perp. Cruisers crashing into each other, driving through ditches, etc….
https://twitter.com/jimmy_gable/status/1759695670569500998
Wtf? Why are these idiots even employed? Did Walmart refuse to hire them as door greeters?
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That’s epic!
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Oh, didn't realize he wasn't driving either.
Nope, walked on a DUI stop done by one of his officers while reportedly intoxicated himself and started messing with the works. I guess that's better than driving around messed up, the officer involved seemed very concerned with protecting his investigation and I don't blame him.
Ya know. I really did truly believe dash cams and body cams would bring an end to that "catch and release" practice. It really should be a case of both of you guys are now without a job.
There used to be a video of this guy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Roorda saying video was never intended to be used against police, but just instead to back up what they were saying. Unfortunately that is often the case and the best thing that often comes out of it is someone doesn't get incarcerated when the le oral/written version of events has no resemblance to what happened as recorded on video.
At least the chief wasn't actually driving. I thought the chief was the subject of the DUI stop initially. I try not to watch vids from the NYP.
He wasn't a driver in the incident the cops showed up for, but I am not sure he didn't drive to the scene and drive to the office for the suspension meeting.
At around 1:38 Sgt. states chief is "drunk again" so it seems this isn't the first time the players didn't want to deal with the problem impartially.
Nope, walked on a DUI stop done by one of his officers while reportedly intoxicated himself and started messing with the works. I guess that's better than driving around messed up, the officer involved seemed very concerned with protecting his investigation and I don't blame him.
Seen other videos with a similar outcome, but here is another drunk chief who was the subject of the initial traffic stop. Let go also, surprisingly they didn't just let him drive off.
https://youtu.be/Bbf9rZlrIks?si=FnsytsWTDp8XTyot
Don't forget Tex Grabner.
Derek "Tex" Grebner, tactical expert.
Snippets of body can footage during the after party.
https://youtu.be/HfkC5WK1p3o?si=cABftDeul1wuUIW8
I'd argue that there's a time and place to shoot where you know the threat is even though you can't perfectly see him. There was a shooting where the driver of a truck who was stopped shot an officer by the driver's door in the body armor and knocked him down. Another officer button hooked behind the tail gate and dumped a mag into the drivers seat area killing the shitbag. He couldn't see the guy, but made a clean and legit shoot.
As a LEO, you should take into account that there may be a hostage or unwilling non-participant who is in close proximity to the threat. I am not going to criticize the officer involved in the shooting incident with the suspect in the tractor, but if you are going to shoot at anyone, you should make darn certain of the backstop behind the suspect.
https://www.sheriff-okaloosa.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/IA-2023-031-Final-Report-Jackson.pdf
Claims to be a West Point grad; 11A with SOF experience. He's wearing a 75th KIA bracelet.
I'm skeptical of that.
NGL, you had me going for a second.
In the interview he says he was a SF officer with 10 years experience and two tours in Afghanistan. Though he never saw direct combat. How is any of that possible during the GWOT?
Not the West Point thing; I couldn't care less about ring knockers. I'm skeptical he was combat arms at all. Dude's a ****ing pussy. my first thought was support dude, and then I remembered all the fuelers and mechanics and cooks and such that come out on missions as top gunners, drivers, or just generally an extra rifle. For Group, Tongo Tongo comes to mind.
Okaloosa Sheriff’s Department back in the news again…
Florida deputies who fatally shot US airman burst into wrong apartment, attorney says
https://apnews.com/article/police-shooting-airman-florida-8bcc82463ada69264389edf2a4f1a83d
Okaloosa Sheriff’s Department back in the news again…
Florida deputies who fatally shot US airman burst into wrong apartment, attorney says
https://apnews.com/article/police-shooting-airman-florida-8bcc82463ada69264389edf2a4f1a83d
We're gonna need a whole lot more details on this one, because none of it makes any sense as reported. :(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKLxdAnhXSM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKLxdAnhXSM
Goes well with the acorn shootout.
titsonritz
05-10-24, 01:21
Pro tip, don’t have your gun in hand visible when opening the door for the cops.
Pro tip, don’t have your gun in hand visible when opening the door for the cops.
So don't have a firearm in hand during a home invasion until you determine the occupation if the party that kicked your door in?
"The other guy gets a vote." That dude did nothing wrong, even holding his gun, down, by his side, in a non-threatening manor. Should he, could he, have put it down first? OK, sure, maybe. Maybe--maybe--a lack of critical thinking, BUT in a stressful encounter.
But. But all the cop saw was a guy with a gun in his hand, and seemingly lacked the critical thinking skills to be able to triage the scene quickly to determine shoot/no shoot. Not everyone with a cut needs to have a full-on trauma resuscitation, there are a million other ways to mitigate the situation. The cop was 100% at fault.
Im confident the 2nd amendment advocacy groups will be all over this soon, right???
:sarcastic:
"The other guy gets a vote." That dude did nothing wrong, even holding his gun, down, by his side, in a non-threatening manor. Should he, could he, have put it down first? OK, sure, maybe. Maybe--maybe--a lack of critical thinking, BUT in a stressful encounter.
But. But all the cop saw was a guy with a gun in his hand, and seemingly lacked the critical thinking skills to be able to triage the scene quickly to determine shoot/no shoot. Not everyone with a cut needs to have a full-on trauma resuscitation, there are a million other ways to mitigate the situation. The cop was 100% at fault.
I can't disagree, and a tragic outcome, but as the cop, do you wait there on the X to find out the intent of the person with the gun while on a call like that? He responded on pure instinct and impulse, and is at fault, but not difficult to understand why/how it happened either. I read he was at the wrong apt, but he did go to the apt she told him to, 1401. Just a tragic event that could have been avoided had dude not answered door knowing LE was on the other side, and or, LEO perhaps jumped off the X and drew weapon, and gave commands to the dude with the gun to put it the F down. I do have some empathy for the LEO there, but ultimately, shoot/no shoot decisions are part of that job.
Im confident the 2nd amendment advocacy groups will be all over this soon, right???
:sarcastic:
"I support the 2A, but not when a person possesses a firearm in their home especially after an le hears damning evidence of a crime in progress such as hearing from someone that someone else thought something was happening somewhere, but not really sure where it was happening at."
titsonritz
05-10-24, 09:52
So don't have a firearm in hand during a home invasion until you determine the occupation if the party that kicked your door in?
Why would one open the door for home invaders? Read between the lines, I said nothing of the sort.
Pro tip, don’t have your gun in hand visible when opening the door for the cops.
So don't have a firearm in hand during a home invasion until you determine the occupation if the party that kicked your door in?
I'm not an operator, or an instructor, or any of that. However my Dad taught me at an early age that if someone is banging on my door in the middle of the night, or any time really, not to stand in front of the door and not to show my firearm.
It had to do with minimizing my chances of getting shot by a criminal. Never thought it would be useful against cops until a deputy came banging on my door at midnight.
I was in my 20's, working out of town, staying in my travel trailer, and awoke in a drunken Jack Daniels fog. I didn't know it was a cop, I couldn't see outside, could have been anyone. I grabbed my chiefs special and cracked the door, saw the badge, and tossed the handgun behind me on the couch.
Cocksucker served me a summons for a child support increase. At midnight. I said What the hell is wrong with you? He says You're never here. I say that's a fng lie, I'm here every day after 4 pm.
He was a stupid bastard, ex wife's a stupid bitch and her lawyer can go to hell for causing this. I was home every weekend and they knew this. I had my gun in my hand, his was holstered, if he'd have seen mine small town Barney might have pulled, I'd have shot him and would probably still be in prison today.
Why would one open the door for home invaders? Read between the lines, I said nothing of the sort.
LE and home invaders are both known to force entry while yelling they are LE, no reading between the lines needed.
titsonritz
05-10-24, 10:42
LE and home invaders are both known to force entry while yelling they are LE, no reading between the lines needed.
Guess you can’t read between them if you refuse to accept or fail to comprehend they exist. By all means feel free to confront cops with a visible firearm in your hand.
Guess you can’t read between them if you refuse to accept or fail to comprehend they exist. By all means feel free to confront cops with a visible firearm in your hand.
You don't know who is coming in till they are inside.
Anyone in their home hearing a disturbance should empty their hands and at least hold them above their head to avoid getting shot.
Perhaps a private sector home invasion crew will allow you to retrieve your firearm from another room after you check employment status.
joedirt199
05-10-24, 11:32
I used to serve papers after 8pm when we were on call for hopsital duty, in case a detainee had to stay in the hospital over night from the jail. It always baffled me how many people answer the door late at night with a gun in their hand. They have windows that they could look outside and see who is there. Some would ask who it was and I would tell them sheriffs dept. Told our Major it was getting too scetchy serving papers after dark and he agreed. Only real issue was apartments with no window near door or peephole.
I used to serve papers after 8pm when we were on call for hopsital duty, in case a detainee had to stay in the hospital over night from the jail. It always baffled me how many people answer the door late at night with a gun in their hand. They have windows that they could look outside and see who is there. Some would ask who it was and I would tell them sheriffs dept. Told our Major it was getting too scetchy serving papers after dark and he agreed. Only real issue was apartments with no window near door or peephole.
I was trying to see if there was a peephole in that door in that vid. Could not make one out. Can't imagine a front door like that without a peephole. I have cameras all over the place. Had an LEO middle of the day knock at the door, I watched via cam and did not answer. He was clearly not there on anything urgent. He knocked a few times, and left. I went down to the station the next day and inquired about what the visit was for, and he came out and explained there's been rash of car break ins and was both warning houses on the street and asking if anyone had seen anything, maybe had some vid, etc.
Can't guarantee there is a peep hole in the door, but there is something centered and about face high on every residential door the deputy walks past. Also, the deputy seemed to be trying to avoid an area that would be visible via peepholes.
https://youtu.be/hYC7IQMBK5s?si=g2VLbfMttq1LrRk8
Not many external shots, but they might answer.
https://ariumliving.com/fort-walton-beach/ocean-city/elan-apartments-by-arium/?utm_source=gmb
Pro tip, don’t have your gun in hand visible when opening the door for the cops.
Super Pro tip, don't open the door. You're under no obligation to make it easier for them to kill you.
Super Pro tip, don't open the door. You're under no obligation to make it easier for them to kill you.
There is the possibility of making them tired, but that gets weighed against their becoming angry, frustrated, and wanting to retaliate over the perceived disrespect.
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?225312-Breonna-Taylor-Shooting-New-Details-The-Media-etc-Really-IS-Trying-to-Start-a-War&p=3154149#post3154149
There is the possibility of making them tired, but that gets weighed against their becoming angry, frustrated, and wanting to retaliate over the perceived disrespect.
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?225312-Breonna-Taylor-Shooting-New-Details-The-Media-etc-Really-IS-Trying-to-Start-a-War&p=3154149#post3154149
Had he not answered the door, they'd probably still be weakly and ineffectually flailing at it!
Averageman
05-10-24, 16:47
Super Pro tip, don't open the door. You're under no obligation to make it easier for them to kill you.
Exactly, if you're pounding on my door, I'm going to guess you're not in an emotional state that's going to make me dealing with you, very easy.
I can wait twenty minutes until you can either calm the F*ck Down or get someone who is calm.
Experts say gun alone doesn’t justify deadly force in fatal shooting of Florida airman
https://apnews.com/article/florida-deputy-black-airman-killed-fortson-5b97a30b51272413346b255235f3ba70
Policing experts say Fortson simply holding a gun when he opened the door wasn’t enough justification to use deadly force, but investigators will also have to consider what information the deputy knew when he responded and whether Fortson showed any behavioral indication that he posed a threat. They also say the proliferation of legal and illegal firearms is forcing officers throughout the country to have to decide faster than ever what constitutes a deadly threat.
Experts say gun alone doesn’t justify deadly force in fatal shooting of Florida airman
https://apnews.com/article/florida-deputy-black-airman-killed-fortson-5b97a30b51272413346b255235f3ba70
Policing experts say Fortson simply holding a gun when he opened the door wasn’t enough justification to use deadly force, but investigators will also have to consider what information the deputy knew when he responded and whether Fortson showed any behavioral indication that he posed a threat. They also say the proliferation of legal and illegal firearms is forcing officers throughout the country to have to decide faster than ever what constitutes a deadly threat.
Experts say gun alone doesn’t justify deadly force in fatal shooting of Florida airman
https://apnews.com/article/florida-deputy-black-airman-killed-fortson-5b97a30b51272413346b255235f3ba70
Policing experts say Fortson simply holding a gun when he opened the door wasn’t enough justification to use deadly force, but investigators will also have to consider what information the deputy knew when he responded and whether Fortson showed any behavioral indication that he posed a threat. They also say the proliferation of legal and illegal firearms is forcing officers throughout the country to have to decide faster than ever what constitutes a deadly threat.
Next dove season will deserve the carnage description if firearm in hand gets the good shoot seal of approval.
Averageman
05-13-24, 11:36
Is
"They also say the proliferation of legal and illegal firearms is forcing officers throughout the country to have to decide faster than ever what constitutes a deadly threat."
That also part of the job Description?
Or does answering the door with a handgun in hand and pointed safely at the ground constitute a reason to kill the Homeowner?
This is why I wont answer the door.
I told my Son when he was growing up, "Don't call the Cops because someone will get shot if they show up." This is why.
This is why I wont answer the door.
I told my Son when he was growing up, "Don't call the Cops because someone will get shot if they show up." This is why.
I 110% agree with this assessment.
TBH I don't even concealed carry anymore because having that gun on me sharply increases the probability that I'll be shot by a cop, and I'm far more likely to run into a cop just going about my business than I am a "bad guy".
The absolute last thing that I ever want injected into any situation that I'm a party to is a cop...
Rifleman_04
05-13-24, 11:57
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-4th-circuit/2167519.html
Don’t need an “expert” because this was already settled by the courts. If you use any justification along the lines of “I was in fear for my life”, “I’m going home at the end of my shift” or “I was scared” and you are in LE you need to find another line of work. Pretty disappointed in anyone defending this.
Averageman
05-13-24, 12:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSdXiQLqCpg
I dunno, Fire Ants, that's damn near torture.
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-4th-circuit/2167519.html
Don’t need an “expert” because this was already settled by the courts. If you use any justification along the lines of “I was in fear for my life”, “I’m going home at the end of my shift” or “I was scared” and you are in LE you need to find another line of work. Pretty disappointed in anyone defending this.
Plenty of cops defending it on arfcom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSdXiQLqCpg
I dunno, Fire Ants, that's damn near torture.
And that one too.
Is
"They also say the proliferation of legal and illegal firearms is forcing officers throughout the country to have to decide faster than ever what constitutes a deadly threat."
That also part of the job Description?
Or does answering the door with a handgun in hand and pointed safely at the ground constitute a reason to kill the Homeowner?
This is why I wont answer the door.
I told my Son when he was growing up, "Don't call the Cops because someone will get shot if they show up." This is why.
In this day and age, calling the cops to your position is like calling for an artillery fire-mission ON your position. If you're calling the cops you'd better be calling them because you're being overrun, or you're calling for them to respond to somewhere besides where you are. If you didn't call the cops, DON'T answer your door! :(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSdXiQLqCpg
I dunno, Fire Ants, that's damn near torture.
That IS torture! Every one of those cops should be fired and prosecuted! :mad::mad::mad:
In this day and age, calling the cops to your position is like calling for an artillery fire-mission ON your position. If you're calling the cops you'd better be calling them because you're being overrun, or you're calling for them to respond to somewhere besides where you are. If you didn't call the cops, DON'T answer your door! :(
That IS torture! Every one of those cops should be fired and prosecuted! :mad::mad::mad:
Their QI defense(no doubt coming and no doubt novel due to using stinging insects as torture) may fall on deaf ears because they did it in the same circuit as the 2 Houston cops who let the drunk driver go and then falsely arrested the Good Samaritan who played a role in stopping the drunk.
Their QI defense(no doubt coming and no doubt novel due to using stinging insects as torture) may fall on deaf ears because they did it in the same circuit as the 2 Houston cops who let the drunk driver go and then falsely arrested the Good Samaritan who played a role in stopping the drunk.
The video is damning in one very important way. Officer Excessive Force is intentionally lifting her right leg and both cuffed hands up, so as to maximize contact between her face and the ants. I don't care what Soccer Mom did to piss him off, at that point he's over the line.
Experts say gun alone doesn’t justify deadly force in fatal shooting of Florida airman
https://apnews.com/article/florida-deputy-black-airman-killed-fortson-5b97a30b51272413346b255235f3ba70
Policing experts say Fortson simply holding a gun when he opened the door wasn’t enough justification to use deadly force, but investigators will also have to consider what information the deputy knew when he responded and whether Fortson showed any behavioral indication that he posed a threat. They also say the proliferation of legal and illegal firearms is forcing officers throughout the country to have to decide faster than ever what constitutes a deadly threat.
Supreme court already ruled on that one too. Simply being armed doesn't constitute justification for deadly force. This one is pretty bad.
Supreme court already ruled on that one too. Simply being armed doesn't constitute justification for deadly force. This one is pretty bad.
When I was a patrol officer we encountered armed folks routinely. Traffic stops were the most common thing but from time to time we did answer burglary/prowler calls where we just assumed the homeowner who calls us was going to be armed for their protection.
And many were.
Our dispatch was great at keeping them on the line and telling them, ok the police are at you location. Stay inside and wait on them to come to you.
We never shot a homeowner in the many hundreds of those calls I answered. A lot of times once the property was cleared we would end up answering their questions about use of force in defense of property or life under current Georgia law.
They were grateful and so were we.
When I was a patrol officer we encountered armed folks routinely. Traffic stops were the most common thing but from time to time we did answer burglary/prowler calls where we just assumed the homeowner who calls us was going to be armed for their protection.
And many were.
Our dispatch was great at keeping them on the line and telling them, ok the police are at you location. Stay inside and wait on them to come to you.
We never shot a homeowner in the many hundreds of those calls I answered. A lot of times once the property was cleared we would end up answering their questions about use of force in defense of property or life under current Georgia law.
They were grateful and so were we.
As it should be. I've also seen the other side. I remember when a plain clothes officer responded to an "armed suspect" call, despite the badge on his belt and that he was wearing business attire (shirt and tie) he was shot killed by another uniformed officer simply because he was holding a gun.
Lots of people really have no business being LEOs.
Averageman
05-14-24, 09:27
Lots of people really have no business being LEOs.
So how do we better weed them out before the dumbassery begins?
I've known some highly trained foul-up's.
So how do we better weed them out before the dumbassery begins?
I've known some highly trained foul-up's.
Considering this is the locale of the acorn mag dump, it seems this type of thing is at least condoned if not encouraged.
Vigorous enforcement of these 2 would greatly reduce the frequency of rights violations.
18 U.S. Code § 241 - Conspiracy against rights | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/241
18 U.S. Code § 242 - Deprivation of rights under color of law | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/242
Averageman
05-14-24, 11:15
Considering this is the locale of the acorn mag dump, it seems this type of thing is at least condoned if not encouraged.
Vigorous enforcement of these 2 would greatly reduce the frequency of rights violations.
18 U.S. Code § 241 - Conspiracy against rights | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/241
18 U.S. Code § 242 - Deprivation of rights under color of law | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/242
Well that's all good and well and I understand and agree with it, but unfortunatly, it's not one Cop, or even one Department.
I would say we're not doing due dilligence in choosing these guys when it's more than one Cop getting in on the fun as per the Fire Ant example. I've had to Med-evac a guy that decided to sleep on the ground in Texas, I can't imagine holding someone on a Fire Ant mound, let alone 3 or 4 guys watching without a complaint.
Where is the Sgt Elias in this group, because at that point it's not about Law, it's about human F'ing decency.
I don't Hate Cops, but I avoid them at every turn and this is exactly why.
Well that's all good and well and I understand and agree with it, but unfortunatly, it's not one Cop, or even one Department.
I would say we're not doing due dilligence in choosing these guys when it's more than one Cop getting in on the fun as per the Fire Ant example. I've had to Med-evac a guy that decided to sleep on the ground in Texas, I can't imagine holding someone on a Fire Ant mound, let alone 3 or 4 guys watching without a complaint.
Where is the Sgt Elias in this group, because at that point it's not about Law, it's about human F'ing decency.
I don't Hate Cops, but I avoid them at every turn and this is exactly why.
That would be where the conspiracy kicks in. Deprivation of rights that results in death or includes kidnapping(which is really what an unlawful arrest is) is supposed to have some very stiff penalties for all parties involved.
And neither of those are limited to just cops.
Averageman
05-14-24, 12:22
That would be where the conspiracy kicks in.
And perhaps at the very root of..
"Deprivation of rights that results in death or includes kidnapping(which is really what an unlawful arrest is) is supposed to have some very stiff penalties for all parties involved. And neither of those are limited to just cops."
They just don't understand that they will be held liable for their actions?
Because I think they're confused to the point of QI. You should be more responcable for your actions and if your behavior can't be put in check, you're fired, and if you really screw the pooch, you're going to prison.
Because a lot of these guys think and badge makes them immune from being held to a professional standard.
Perhaps we need some sort "Scared Straight" program for Cops where they go into prison and talk to some former Law Enforcement about how they got there by abusing peoples rights and/or being a crooked Cop?
So how do we better weed them out before the dumbassery begins?
I've known some highly trained foul-up's.
Currently we are doing the opposite. We are creating an environment that is motivating the best LEOs to call it a day. I think we are seeing the results. I understand WHY this happened, most cops probably feel like a target since there are so many activists groups working against them. They probably do think behind every door is some "green hair psycho" waiting to kill me so they are all rolling around at Defcon 2 waiting for the "acorn to drop."
Currently we are doing the opposite. We are creating an environment that is motivating the best LEOs to call it a day. I think we are seeing the results. I understand WHY this happened, most cops probably feel like a target since there are so many activists groups working against them. They probably do think behind every door is some "green hair psycho" waiting to kill me so they are all rolling around at Defcon 2 waiting for the "acorn to drop."
It felt to me that it was all heading south in the early 2010’s when I got out. The political atmosphere was changing for the bad and the lack of quality for newbie’s coming out of the academy into FTO was really starting to show.
Averageman
05-14-24, 16:10
Currently we are doing the opposite. We are creating an environment that is motivating the best LEOs to call it a day. I think we are seeing the results. I understand WHY this happened, most cops probably feel like a target since there are so many activists groups working against them. They probably do think behind every door is some "green hair psycho" waiting to kill me so they are all rolling around at Defcon 2 waiting for the "acorn to drop."
Thus we end up with the "Snake eating it's Tail" Law Enforcement situation we are in now.
I live in a small rural area in Central Texas where old Cowboys still eat breakfast in the same Diner they did in 1964. So I would guess the pay for Law Enforcement is modest. So, it would seem Cops are either retiring here or cutting their teeth at their first job.
I have had zero negative interaction with United States Law Enforcement in my life. Probobly have had 3 tickets in my 50 years of driving on the road.
I don't drink anymore, so I'm not a DWI risk and I'm a bit of a homebody.
But
Watching this stuff and a little research shows, I'm probobly in the minority.
I don't understand it and I dont understand it from both sides I have seen azzholes get really beligerant before a Cop was finally pushed too far and I see stories like this.
Most of this can be laid at the feet of Obama.
And perhaps at the very root of..
"Deprivation of rights that results in death or includes kidnapping(which is really what an unlawful arrest is) is supposed to have some very stiff penalties for all parties involved. And neither of those are limited to just cops."
They just don't understand that they will be held liable for their actions?
Because I think they're confused to the point of QI. You should be more responcable for your actions and if your behavior can't be put in check, you're fired, and if you really screw the pooch, you're going to prison.
Because a lot of these guys think and badge makes them immune from being held to a professional standard.
Perhaps we need some sort "Scared Straight" program for Cops where they go into prison and talk to some former Law Enforcement about how they got there by abusing peoples rights and/or being a crooked Cop?
Depending on the area, a cop getting the idea they will not be held criminally liable when committing crimes is more fact than fantasy. There may be a sliding scale based on the severity of the crime committed and/or who the crime was committed against, but obviously the lack of enforcement is known.
Lawsuits against public officials who violate rights came about during reconstruction. Qualified Immunity came along about 100 years later via court case with the notion public officials couldn't be held liable in a civil case unless rights violated were "clearly established".
An example of "not clearly established" rights violations include stealing cash during a search.
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca9/17-16756/17-16756-2019-09-04.html
Thus we end up with the "Snake eating it's Tail" Law Enforcement situation we are in now.
I live in a small rural area in Central Texas where old Cowboys still eat breakfast in the same Diner they did in 1964. So I would guess the pay for Law Enforcement is modest. So, it would seem Cops are either retiring here or cutting their teeth at their first job.
I have had zero negative interaction with United States Law Enforcement in my life. Probobly have had 3 tickets in my 50 years of driving on the road.
I don't drink anymore, so I'm not a DWI risk and I'm a bit of a homebody.
But
Watching this stuff and a little research shows, I'm probobly in the minority.
I don't understand it and I dont understand it from both sides I have seen azzholes get really beligerant before a Cop was finally pushed too far and I see stories like this.
Most of this can be laid at the feet of Obama.
It was a problem well before Obama. An old example was Dallas PD using Russian roulette as an interrogation technique with no negative consequences with the exception of this one who executed a 12 year and got a wrist slap.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/197820371/darrell-lee-cain
Cell phones with video recording capability and YouTube really came in to existence during Obama's regime, while in the past most of the incidents recorded for posterity would have previously been dismissed as lies
Thus we end up with the "Snake eating it's Tail" Law Enforcement situation we are in now.
I live in a small rural area in Central Texas where old Cowboys still eat breakfast in the same Diner they did in 1964. So I would guess the pay for Law Enforcement is modest. So, it would seem Cops are either retiring here or cutting their teeth at their first job.
I have had zero negative interaction with United States Law Enforcement in my life. Probobly have had 3 tickets in my 50 years of driving on the road.
I don't drink anymore, so I'm not a DWI risk and I'm a bit of a homebody.
But
Watching this stuff and a little research shows, I'm probobly in the minority.
I don't understand it and I dont understand it from both sides I have seen azzholes get really beligerant before a Cop was finally pushed too far and I see stories like this.
Most of this can be laid at the feet of Obama.
I've had numerous LE interactions over the decades and most were positive. Of the handful that weren't, I avoided escalation by being completely subservient and non-threatening. I'm a big boy and can handle being talked down to by an authority figure, even if I didn't deserve it. My line has always been 'give me the ass-chewing or give me the penalty, but not both'. So far that's worked. Every time I've contacted LE management, it was to offer praise for how good LEO's have dealt with me and my family, and I've done that several times. I do this because as much as we critique bad LEO behavior, we should reinforce the good behavior when we see it.
When I was growing up in NW Arkansas there were decent cops, a few really good cops and the rest were willing to just shoot you for blinking and this was in the late 60's and 70's
I've had numerous LE interactions over the decades and most were positive. Of the handful that weren't, I avoided escalation by being completely subservient and non-threatening. I'm a big boy and can handle being talked down to by an authority figure, even if I didn't deserve it.
Playing along doesn't guarantee happiness either.
https://youtu.be/817BItUQETQ?si=G0sBQJ-MlJkeLXlL
Here’s a cop that takes his job seriously or at least he used to
https://boingboing.net/2024/05/13/nashville-cop-fired-after-participating-in-uniform-in-adult-onlyfans-prank-clip.html
Averageman
05-15-24, 21:10
Playing along doesn't guarantee happiness either.
https://youtu.be/817BItUQETQ?si=G0sBQJ-MlJkeLXlL
I hope that she gets a very good Attorney and finds him via YouTube.
And if someone would kick that Cops ass after he loses his job, I sure wouldn't cry about it.
I hope that she gets a very good Attorney and finds him via YouTube.
And if someone would kick that Cops ass after he loses his job, I sure wouldn't cry about it.
That attorney's video got him dropped(at least as of 3 weeks ago) in less than a day.
There is a good chance they will hire him back because the releasing him came after nearly 3 months of village officials defending the cop's behavior. His behavior is apparently what he was hired for because he got dropped from another agency for another incident that made news.
https://youtu.be/USIozcCSM4g?si=jadethIBQCGAzhwa
Playing along doesn't guarantee happiness either.
https://youtu.be/817BItUQETQ?si=G0sBQJ-MlJkeLXlL
This is the EXACT type of officer who would cause me to file an official complaint, and possibly a civil suit. IDK who his FTO was, but they should've checked this guy well before he was let loose on his own. Obviously, we don't have his complaint history to review here. It would be interesting to hear how many people complained on him after the story broke, if the municipality hadn't turtled up and stopped responding to the public.
These are the cops who destroy LE credibility and public confidence. The profession needs to get its crap together and start policing their own ranks to satisfy community standards. And Officer SRO needs to get that Superman "S" flag off his uniform! :mad:
This is the EXACT type of officer who would cause me to file an official complaint, and possibly a civil suit. IDK who his FTO was, but they should've checked this guy well before he was let loose on his own. Obviously, we don't have his complaint history to review here. It would be interesting to hear how many people complained on him after the story broke, if the municipality hadn't turtled up and stopped responding to the public.
These are the cops who destroy LE credibility and public confidence. The profession needs to get its crap together and start policing their own ranks to satisfy community standards. And Officer SRO needs to get that Superman "S" flag off his uniform! :mad:
The town defended him because they knew what they were getting and they liked what they saw.
Here is Schimmel attacking an adult male at a previous agency.
That agency sent him back for retraining over the incident and dropped him when the retraining didn't take. There have been another agency that hired him between Monrovia and South Whitley.
https://www.tiktok.com/@junkiewhisperer23/video/7233216767277927723?lang=en
The town defended him because they knew what they were getting and they liked what they saw.
Here is Schimmel attacking an adult male at a previous agency.
That agency sent him back for retraining over the incident and dropped him when the retraining didn't take. There have been another agency that hired him between Monrovia and South Whitley.
https://www.tiktok.com/@junkiewhisperer23/video/7233216767277927723?lang=en
Then what can you say, except they deserve to get their shit pushed in! :(
Footage from when Fortson's girl friend started recording.
https://bencrump.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/Roger-Fortson-girlfriend-FT-video.mp4
Footage from when Fortson's girl friend started recording.
https://bencrump.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/Roger-Fortson-girlfriend-FT-video.mp4
According to many military folks who attend his services in Atlanta several hundred uniformed military personnel attended.
https://i.redd.it/qucu9tbsw01d1.jpeg
Wrong apartment according to this.
https://x.com/jkbjournalist/status/1791471327989190718
Averageman
05-18-24, 11:01
It was a problem well before Obama. An old example was Dallas PD using Russian roulette as an interrogation technique with no negative consequences with the exception of this one who executed a 12 year and got a wrist slap.
Well, Obama got in to Office by telling the American Voters that he wasn't going to act like George Bush. By the end of the first four years he came to the conclusion that "Well, I'm doing exactly the same things George Bush did, so WTF can I run on now?"
Obama was very nieve thinking he wasn't going to be a "War President" in the end he was dropping bombs from drones that were killing more Innocent Families than nearly any POTUS in history.
All of that is the History that is overlooked by every Democrat, BLM Member and everyone on Team LBQGT, Obama was the Michael Myers of drone drops.
When it came to running again, he was fed some weak sauce opposition GOP member to run against and they didn't have the balls to mention the drones.
All Obama had left to play was the race card and convienantly the Main Stream Media was more than willing to hold his beer while he did it.
The problem may be racisim, but really it's not. How many cross burning Rednecks are out there? Not nearly enough for the .Gov and Democratic Party because you'll find them at riots and rally's raising hell and impersonating them. Ray Epps anyone?
Wrong apartment according to this.
https://x.com/jkbjournalist/status/1791471327989190718
I would only say, he did go to the apartment the woman from the building told him to go to, so on that score, not his fault in terms what what door he knocked on.
I would only say, he did go to the apartment the woman from the building told him to go to, so on that score, not his fault in terms what what door he knocked on.
No doubt the deputy will claim it in the unlikely event he is held accountable in any way, but it doesn't seem reasonable to put any faith in "1401" after his "which door?" received her answer of "I'm not sure." followed up with the stream of consciousness description of what she heard and again she stated "I'm not sure where it came from".
Okaloosa County deputy who shot Airman Roger Fortson has been fired
https://www.wkrg.com/northwest-florida/okaloosa-county/okaloosa-county-deputy-who-shot-airman-roger-fortson-has-been-fired/
Okaloosa County deputy who shot Airman Roger Fortson has been fired
https://www.wkrg.com/northwest-florida/okaloosa-county/okaloosa-county-deputy-who-shot-airman-roger-fortson-has-been-fired/
Deputy Duran had to shoot because Fortson had "aggression, anger" in his eyes. :confused:
Okaloosa County deputy who shot Airman Roger Fortson has been fired
https://www.wkrg.com/northwest-florida/okaloosa-county/okaloosa-county-deputy-who-shot-airman-roger-fortson-has-been-fired/
Good assessment by WGL channel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G41Vvm_SY64
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