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Chrome lined 416 clone uppers:
https://www.brownells.com/gun-parts/rifle-parts/rifle-receivers-parts/brn-4-upper-receiver-assemblies-with-chrome-lined-barrels/?sku=430106864
Damn it, just paid the CC off......now I have to launder our own money from my wife's knowledge again!
I just happen to have two 416 handguards in my pile-o-parts that I knew would come in handy some day!
Their fukking site is annoying my nuts. I can't log in, and can't get a password reset email to arrive. I actually want to buy something.
Good Grief. I had to make a new account, and they sent me a "welcome back, mark" email. Why the hell would they zap accounts with wish list items saved. So dumb.
Chrome lined 416 clone uppers:
https://www.brownells.com/gun-parts/rifle-parts/rifle-receivers-parts/brn-4-upper-receiver-assemblies-with-chrome-lined-barrels/?sku=430106864
Damn it, just paid the CC off......now I have to launder our own money from my wife's knowledge again!
I just happen to have two 416 handguards in my pile-o-parts that I knew would come in handy some day!
Do they use a license from HK or something? I was actually just watching that vid. I didn't know there were conversion kits, but wouldn't bother with one personally. I would like to own a PO gun cuz reasons:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eil0uxluybo
I know some of the early 416 were not good with suppressors because of too much gas drive. I wonder if these brownells ones use the later gas block or what ever they did to address this.
Do they use a license from HK or something? I was actually just watching that vid. I didn't know there were conversion kits, but wouldn't bother with one personally. I would like to own a PO gun cuz reasons:
I have no idea.
As far as a real-deal 416 upper alone, a number of years ago they were going for north of $4K, usually a good deal more. No clue what the hell they're going for now though, like just about everything else these days it's probably obscene.
I know some of the early 416 were not good with suppressors because of too much gas drive. I wonder if these Brownells ones use the later gas block or what ever they did to address this.
I guess you could always ask their tech people in customer service. I'm not overly concerned as I'm not planning on running a can on one.
WickedWillis
03-08-24, 17:23
I know some of the early 416 were not good with suppressors because of too much gas drive. I wonder if these brownells ones use the later gas block or what ever they did to address this.
These are not vented like the actual 416 blocks
These are not vented like the actual 416 blocks
From the Brownells website: "Gas blocks are vented forward, to reduce gas sent rearward into the system, and are mated specific to the 10.4 or 14.5/16 inch barrel lengths."
Good Grief. I had to make a new account, and they sent me a "welcome back, mark" email. Why the hell would they zap accounts with wish list items saved. So dumb.
Hahaha, welcome to my world. Lol it's not always the other guy with me, my computer is a dumpster fire.
WickedWillis
03-08-24, 21:04
From the Brownells website: "Gas blocks are vented forward, to reduce gas sent rearward into the system, and are mated specific to the 10.4 or 14.5/16 inch barrel lengths."
You are right, I was wrong. Could have sworn when I started looking into these they weren't. I stand corrected.
You are right, I was wrong. Could have sworn when I started looking into these they weren't. I stand corrected.
Maybe at first they weren't vented? That quote was from the latest ad for the chrome lined ones.
The early 416 gas blocks were not vented. I got a suprise putting my thumb over the vent on the second round of issued ones.... fortunately wearing gloves.
The early 416 gas blocks were not vented. I got a suprise putting my thumb over the vent on the second round of issued ones.... fortunately wearing gloves.
I always liked how they vented forward and upward; crap didn't build up underneath the handguard that way. Of course later they came out with longer handguards that covered the gas block.
vicious_cb
03-11-24, 04:00
Chrome lined 416 clone uppers:
https://www.brownells.com/gun-parts/rifle-parts/rifle-receivers-parts/brn-4-upper-receiver-assemblies-with-chrome-lined-barrels/?sku=430106864
Damn it, just paid the CC off......now I have to launder our own money from my wife's knowledge again!
I just happen to have two 416 handguards in my pile-o-parts that I knew would come in handy some day!
Yeah but chromed lined by Faxon who has a less than stellar reputation for making quality barrels.
Chrome lined bore and chamber of these barrels has been the go-to for hard use rifle barrels for decades, and you will be extremely pleased with the smooth and crisp application by Faxon in these bores. The chrome is well applied, and just extends over the crown of the barrel and the edge of the chamber. These medium profile barrels are made by Faxon, who button rifles from 4150 chrome moly steel, the top choice for hard use barrels. The 1-7 twist accommodate heavy projectiles and the barrels feature ½-28 muzzle threads for the attachment of the muzzle device of your choice. A matte black phosphate provides a corrosion resistant exterior.
Thats not a good start for a operating system that gets its famed ruggedness by using secret squirrel materials and German over engineering.
The one thing so far that has stopped me from buying one is the faxon barrel.
If they’d gone for a quality barrel from Daniel defense or FN I’d have bought one already. I’d have also happily paid 100-200$ more for it to come with a good barrel.
The one thing so far that has stopped me from buying one is the faxon barrel.
If they’d gone for a quality barrel from Daniel defense or FN I’d have bought one already. I’d have also happily paid 100-200$ more for it to come with a good barrel.
Never used a Faxon anything, so are they that bad??? Some of the review knocks against the BRN4 seems to related to finish machining on the receiver, but I’ve not heard/read any knocks against the barrel.
Does anyone else make 416 barrels so one could build using the Brownells parts??
Been eyeing one for a while. Not that I’m such a hard user, but more of a shits and giggles type build.
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Never used a Faxon anything, so are they that bad??? Some of the review knocks against the BRN4 seems to related to finish machining on the receiver, but I’ve not heard/read any knocks against the barrel.
Does anyone else make 416 barrels so one could build using the Brownells parts??
Been eyeing one for a while. Not that I’m such a hard user, but more of a shits and giggles type build.
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From what I’ve encountered the fax on barrels are hit or mis and/or just mediocre.
Brownells is trying to replicate the ‘best’ upper. I’d have hoped they would have used a really good barrel. Both FN and Daniel Defense OEM barrels for other companies. Like Centurian and Hodge defense. Brownells could have as well, instead they had a company that is the ‘budget’ market segment to do it.
From what I’ve encountered the fax on barrels are hit or mis and/or just mediocre.
Brownells is trying to replicate the ‘best’ upper. I’d have hoped they would have used a really good barrel. Both FN and Daniel Defense OEM barrels for other companies. Like Centurian and Hodge Defense. Brownells could have as well, instead they had a company that is the ‘budget’ market segment to do it.
I have one of their 14.5" barrels on another AR......hot damn, even a couple years ago it was $450! Nice barrel though, shoots better than I do. I can only imagine what that would have added to the price of the Brownells clone upper. I could definitely do something less on the price scale (not necessarily less quality), like the DD or FN that you mention. Unfortunately that wasn't offered nor does either entity make one for the 416 clone.
Since Faxon was primarily known for nitrided barrels I never paid them much attention, although I've obviously heard of them. Guess I'll see what card in the barrel deck I've been dealt.....got the "shipped" email today. [shrug]
Is the barrel going to last as long as a CHF barrel? No. Would a nitrided barrel last longer I don’t know. People are going to complain either way. Button rifles barrels last long enough for most people and I don’t think the vast majority are going to be firing FA. Budget barrel vs CHF, people are gonna complain either way. Now if Faxon quality in general is an issue that’s different.
I would say most people buying a clone of any sort will be ok with it regardless.
Is the barrel going to last as long as a CHF barrel? No. Would a nitrided barrel last longer I don’t know. People are going to complain either way. Button rifles barrels last long enough for most people and I don’t think the vast majority are going to be firing FA. Budget barrel vs CHF, people are gonna complain either way. Now if Faxon quality in general is an issue that’s different.
I would say most people buying a clone of any sort will be ok with it regardless.
Well at least it's chrome lined. I believe they also offer nitrided barrels for those who prefer that. The icing on the cake would've been if they were CHF but I see nothing in the ad to indicate that.
I have seen Chrome lined & nitrided barrels in service and don't think much about it either way. Both appeared durable. The nitrided will have advantage vs parkerized on the exterior vs environment.
If equally accurate don't really care. As an individual paying for fodder, not really considering max $ervice life in the calculus.
I did find a 13.7" barrel offering odd.
I have seen Chrome lined & nitrided barrels in service and don't think much about it either way. Both appeared durable. The nitrided will have advantage vs parkerized on the exterior vs environment.
If equally accurate don't really care. As an individual paying for fodder, not really considering max $ervice life in the calculus.
I did find a 13.7" barrel offering odd.
I thought so too. I would have preferred a 14.5" but it wasn't an option, so I went with the 16".
Good Grief. I had to make a new account, and they sent me a "welcome back, mark" email. Why the hell would they zap accounts with wish list items saved. So dumb. My Brownells account went stupid recently too. I simply quit buying shit from them until they figure it out. Not really worth screwing with, to me. They’ll fix it or they won’t.
As far as 13.7” barrels go, its a nice length on a SBR. Makes me scratch my head with P/W guns sometimes, though.
CrowCommand
03-15-24, 03:57
I was under the assumption that a 13.9” with a SF Warcomp with bring you to 16” for pin and weld jobs, as the warcomp is a bit longer than the A2 FH
I was under the assumption that a 13.9” with a SF Warcomp with bring you to 16” for pin and weld jobs, as the warcomp is a bit longer than the A2 FH
Probably. But if you’re trying to avoid NFA (guys in states that allow silencers but not SBRs, I’m not talking about you, if you even exist), then an A2 on a 14.7”-15” or a typical 2.25” mount on a commonly available 14.5” barrel makes much more sense than shortening the barrel by another inch just to use an inch longer, but cooler looking, muzzle device. And it makes only exactly $200 worth of sense to avoid SBR status if you also buy silencers. And ARs are obviously exceptionally SBR-friendly because you can do one lower and play musical uppers ‘till your heart’s content.
Unless of course you only care about making it shorter with the can attached, which might make sense with Surefire (soft maybe) or a Sandman (definitely). In which case, I just SBR it, and 13.whatever is perfectly good for that.
Sorry for the rant.
While earlier gas blocks (for the 14.5"-16" barrels) vented the gas forward and upward at about a 45 degree angle, this one apparently blows it straight forward, like parallel to the barrel. I'm waiting for a FH to get here so was looking a few things over and found that factoid. It's not bad at all, just noting the difference.
If I shot suppressed these would be more tempting. Why is it so hard to find quality and accuracy reports? Is it too new?
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