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Harpoon
04-19-24, 11:29
This Day in History: On this day in 1775, the first shots of the American Revolutionary War were fired at the battles of Lexington and Concord in Massachusetts. These skirmishes between colonial militia and British troops marked the beginning of the war for American independence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Lexington_and_Concord

moonshot
04-19-24, 12:31
“Stand your ground. Do not fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here.”

- Captain John Parker to his Minute Men, Lexington Green, 19 April 1775 when the British were coming to confiscate the Colonist’s firearms.

jsbhike
04-19-24, 12:42
Covers the build up, several players involved, events during the night, and successes and losses made the next day.


https://youtu.be/1k6zq_Y_IzA?si=UxkyzVcxvp6zqz00

Bob Reed
04-19-24, 13:56
Those Brave-Men that took a Stand on 19 April 1775 probably (and rightfully) throw-up in their mouths every time they think about 'us' and the UN-Constitutional and UN-Just Gun Laws that we tolerate.

The shit that we have allowed disqualifies 'us' from even being worthy enough to clean horse shit from their boots. - Bob Reed

SteyrAUG
04-19-24, 14:25
Didn't want to hijack the Lexington post, but this day has lots of "events."

1985 - Two hundred ATF and FBI agents lay siege to the compound of the white supremacist survivalist group The Covenant, the Sword, and the Arm of the Lord in Arkansas; the CSA surrenders two days later.

1993 – The 51-day FBI siege of the Branch Davidian building in Waco, Texas, USA, ends when a fire breaks out. Seventy-six Davidians, including 18 children under age 10, died in the fire.

1995 – Oklahoma City bombing: The Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, USA, is bombed, killing 168 people including 19 children under the age of six.

These events, as well as Ruby Ridge (August 21–31, 1992) and a couple others, are all directly related. Obviously the OKC bombing was deliberately done on the same day as Waco. But interesting that the CSA raid just happened to be on the same day.

Averageman
04-19-24, 15:38
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/many-years-after-the-oklahoma-city-bombing-republicans-have-learned-the-wrong-lessons/ar-AA1nic5y?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=6234c3a4a73f4cf7978d35ad5d0954a6&ei=70

I read your post and then happened upon this. I don't think it was a coincidence that it was posted today.

Twenty-nine years after killing 168 people in the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City — the deadliest act of domestic terrorism in U.S. history — Timothy McVeigh is dead and buried.
But the extremism that fueled his hate on April 19, 1995, is alive and unencumbered in today’s conservative movement.

It goes on, but...

I think of McVeigh as connecting the eras of white domestic terrorism that characterized the 20th century and the more recent strain of extremism infecting the MAGA movement.
In 2017, the Southern Poverty Law Center reported on a disturbing trend of “McVeigh worship” playing out in extremist circles.
And during a Democratic-led House hearing two years ago on the trend of veterans embracing violent extremism — as was the case during the Jan. 6 insurrection — the Oklahoma City bombing’s toxic influence as a source of inspiration came up, as well. (McVeigh was a decorated veteran of the Persian Gulf War.)
Nearly 30 years after McVeigh’s deadly bombing, Republicans — even those in Oklahoma — seem to have learned the wrong lessons. Instead of rejecting violent extremism and rooting it out of their ranks, they’ve just devised ways to use it to their advantage.

Man they just dont get it and aparently they are asking for more.

jsbhike
04-19-24, 15:50
Didn't want to hijack the Lexington post, but this day has lots of "events."

1985 - Two hundred ATF and FBI agents lay siege to the compound of the white supremacist survivalist group The Covenant, the Sword, and the Arm of the Lord in Arkansas; the CSA surrenders two days later.

1993 – The 51-day FBI siege of the Branch Davidian building in Waco, Texas, USA, ends when a fire breaks out. Seventy-six Davidians, including 18 children under age 10, died in the fire.

1995 – Oklahoma City bombing: The Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, USA, is bombed, killing 168 people including 19 children under the age of six.

These events, as well as Ruby Ridge (August 21–31, 1992) and a couple others, are all directly related. Obviously the OKC bombing was deliberately done on the same day as Waco. But interesting that the CSA raid just happened to be on the same day.

It's worldwide, from wiki:

"1942 – World War II: In German-occupied Poland, the Majdan-Tatarski ghetto is established, situated between the Lublin Ghetto and a Majdanek subcamp.

1943 – World War II: In German-occupied Poland, the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising begins, after German troops enter the Warsaw Ghetto to round up the remaining Jews.

I have to wonder if it isn't a trigger for totalitarians.

ABNAK
04-19-24, 18:41
McVeigh's name will be like Hitler's, you'll never hear the end of it and ANY actions by the Right will be finger-pointed to one (or both) of those names. Forget what the Left is doing, forget that no one that I know supports the actions of either asshole nor speaks well of Adolph and Tim, just keep pounding it home nonetheless. :mad:

FromMyColdDeadHand
04-19-24, 18:54
Taxation blah, blah, blah, representation, blah blah blah. You're coming for the guns.... game on.

Lexington and Concord- the original and biggest FAFO.

SteyrAUG
04-19-24, 20:53
McVeigh's name will be like Hitler's, you'll never hear the end of it and ANY actions by the Right will be finger-pointed to one (or both) of those names. Forget what the Left is doing, forget that no one that I know supports the actions of either asshole nor speaks well of Adolph and Tim, just keep pounding it home nonetheless. :mad:

Yeah, everyone knows McVeigh, almost NOBODY can name the founders of the Weather Underground. But McVeigh is a perfect example of what I'm always talking about when people talk about a civil war 2.0, he really did think he was a patriot, he really did think he was fighting against a tyrannical government but in the end what he mostly managed to do was kill a bunch of people in OKC who were lucky enough to have basic government jobs with ok benefits and some kids in a day care.

He did virtually NOTHING to the Clinton administration, Janet Reno, the FBI or the ATF other than give them justification for bigger budgets and expansion of power.

SteyrAUG
04-19-24, 20:56
Taxation blah, blah, blah, representation, blah blah blah. You're coming for the guns.... game on.

Lexington and Concord- the original and biggest FAFO.

And that really is the only "is it time to start shooting yet?" litmus test we have. Which is why it's been gradual rather than the "big round up."

On the upside, idiotic shit like the Clinton ban made the AR rifle the most popular rifle in the country and there are so many in private hands that even the most rabid gun grabbers know that the "big round up" would probably be catastrophic for them.

Diamondback
04-20-24, 07:00
And that really is the only "is it time to start shooting yet?" litmus test we have. Which is why it's been gradual rather than the "big round up."

On the upside, idiotic shit like the Clinton ban made the AR rifle the most popular rifle in the country and there are so many in private hands that even the most rabid gun grabbers know that the "big round up" would probably be catastrophic for them.

Which is precisely why they prefer to take us on individually or in very small groups, like the blatant premeditated murder of that Arkansas airport manager. Surprised they didn't do his dog, wife and kids first...

Alpha-17
04-20-24, 09:26
“Stand your ground. Do not fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here.”

- Captain John Parker to his Minute Men, Lexington Green, 19 April 1775 when the British were coming to confiscate the Colonist’s firearms.

Wise words that may be echoing back sooner than folks realize.


I always think of the satirical article that goes around every so often:


BREAKING NEWS: Seventy-Two Killed Resisting Gun Confiscation In Massachusetts.

Boston – National Guard units seeking to confiscate a cache of recently banned assault weapons were ambushed on April 19 by elements of a para-military extremist faction. Military and law enforcement sources estimate that 72 were killed and more than 200 injured before government forces were compelled to withdraw.

Speaking after the clash, Massachusetts Governor Thomas Gage declared that the extremist faction, which was made up of local citizens, has links to the radical right-wing tax protest movement.

Gage blamed the extremists for recent incidents of vandalism directed against internal revenue offices. The governor, who described the group's organizers as "criminals," issued an executive order authorizing the summary arrest of any individual who has interfered with the government's efforts to secure law and order.

The military raid on the extremist arsenal followed wide-spread refusal by the local citizenry to turn over recently outlawed assault weapons. Gage issued a ban on military-style assault weapons and ammunition earlier in the week. This decision followed a meeting in early this month between government and military leaders at which the governor authorized the forcible confiscation of illegal arms.

One government official, speaking on condition of anonymity, pointed out that "none of these people would have been killed had the extremists obeyed the law and turned over their weapons voluntarily."

Government troops initially succeeded in confiscating a large supply of outlawed weapons and ammunition. However, troops attempting to seize arms and ammunition in Lexington met with resistance from heavily-armed extremists who had been tipped off regarding the government's plans.

During a tense standoff in the Lexington town park, National Guard Colonel Francis Smith, commander of the government operation, ordered the armed group to surrender and return to their homes. The impasse was broken by a single shot, which was reportedly fired by one of the right-wing extremists.

Eight civilians were killed in the ensuing exchange.

Ironically, the local citizenry blamed government forces rather than the extremists for the civilian deaths. Before order could be restored, armed citizens from surrounding areas had descended upon the guard units. Colonel Smith, finding his forces over matched by the armed mob, ordered a retreat.

Governor Gage has called upon citizens to support the state/national joint task force in its effort to restore law and order. The governor also demanded the surrender of those responsible for planning and leading the attack against the government troops.

Samuel Adams, Paul Revere, and John Hancock, who have been identified as "ringleaders" of the extremist faction, remain at large.


https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/seventy-two-killed-resisting-gun-confiscation-boston

Really changes the context from some historical myth to something more "real".

ChattanoogaPhil
04-20-24, 09:52
Taxation blah, blah, blah, representation, blah blah blah. You're coming for the guns.... game on.

Lexington and Concord- the original and biggest FAFO.

Lexington and Concord present day... possession, carry and transport of firearms, ammunition and feeding devices is banned absent a government issued license.

ChattanoogaPhil
04-20-24, 10:07
Yeah, everyone knows McVeigh, almost NOBODY can name the founders of the Weather Underground. But McVeigh is a perfect example of what I'm always talking about when people talk about a civil war 2.0, he really did think he was a patriot, he really did think he was fighting against a tyrannical government but in the end what he mostly managed to do was kill a bunch of people in OKC who were lucky enough to have basic government jobs with ok benefits and some kids in a day care.

He did virtually NOTHING to the Clinton administration, Janet Reno, the FBI or the ATF other than give them justification for bigger budgets and expansion of power.

Obama's pal, Bill Ayers, is credited as a co-founder. Everyone should have heard of that name. Wife and co-founder, Bernadine Dohrn, should be commonly known as well. Those two are the most infamous. That said, present-day notoriety is largely the result of the connection to Obama. Without that connection I doubt that few would people today would have even heard the names. Heck, who would have otherwise heard of "GD America", Jeremiah Wright?

ViniVidivici
04-20-24, 22:04
Me and a couple of friends celebrated yesterday and today with much gunfire and the ringing of steel. Keeping the edge sharp.

FromMyColdDeadHand
04-21-24, 09:52
The DOJ announced that they were going after another thousand to the January 6 protesters. They’re hoping for a Lexington and Concord moment every time they go out.

Diamondback
04-21-24, 10:13
The DOJ announced that they were going after another thousand to the January 6 protesters. They’re hoping for a Lexington and Concord moment every time they go out.

NOW do y'all see why as soon as the Ray Eppses started trying to talk up "go to the Capitol Jan 6" a bunch of us were saying "be as FAR from DC as you can that day"? They won't stop at just on Capitol grounds, or "adjacent" as they re now, or even "merely in DC" - sooner or later they are coming for ALL of us, it's just a matter of how fast they can swallow what they've already bitten off.

Oh, to lead a Special Counsel inquisition into the seditious, anti-American heresy of the Deep State... the Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law charges would be getting handed out like Oprah audience gifts, and the entire J6 Committee would be getting Obstruction of Justice and Tampering With An Official Record for their destruction of evidence. Hit Pelosi with TWOR too for tearing up a Trump SOTU that by LAW is required to go to National Archives. Get those Big Red F's and Bar From Office hun on as many as possible...

Wouldn't it be a glorious day for America when murdering scum like SS-Sturmbannfuehrer Byrd and the Waffen-ATF jackboots who murdered the Arkansas airport manager have to take it in the ass in back-alleys to get enough money to feed themselves? Ah, strike that, they'd probably just hire themselves out to organized crime as a new Murder Inc...

ViniVidivici
04-21-24, 11:31
That's what me and mine were all relaying to each other at the time: stay the **** away, at all costs, it's obviously going to be used against everyone.

Diamondback
04-21-24, 12:06
That's what me and mine were all relaying to each other at the time: stay the **** away, at all costs, it's obviously going to be used against everyone.

I think I recall you posting as much here, too. We tried... ideally nobody under 60-70 woulda shown up, let the Nazi piss-stains have fun with the nightmare optics of being livestreamed putting a beatdown on Granny and Gramps.

SteyrAUG
04-21-24, 14:13
That's what me and mine were all relaying to each other at the time: stay the **** away, at all costs, it's obviously going to be used against everyone.

To me it looked exactly like the politics version of "Storm Area 51", just a really bad idea, with no clear cut objective or purpose and lots and lots of ways to go wrong.

FromMyColdDeadHand
04-22-24, 01:13
I think I recall you posting as much here, too. We tried... ideally nobody under 60-70 woulda shown up, let the Nazi piss-stains have fun with the nightmare optics of being livestreamed putting a beatdown on Granny and Gramps.

I have to think that the way that Trump/GOP can use the J6 is to show all these dangerous 'terrorists'. Have grandma serving cookies with a ankle braclet.... Who is the most sympathetic and least dangerous five people that have been put into prison, and show them.

Diamondback
04-22-24, 07:00
I have to think that the way that Trump/GOP can use the J6 is to show all these dangerous 'terrorists'. Have grandma serving cookies with a ankle braclet.... Who is the most sympathetic and least dangerous five people that have been put into prison, and show them.

I just saw something this morning about a 90yo survivor of one of Tito's death camps (may drizzling diarrhea eternally rain upon all Commies and all who support them!) who Biden wants to lock up for the rest of her life for protesting in front of an abortuary. Here's the problem, to a Dem that's just "getting rid of the Useless Eaters," much like sending Typhoid Marys with Chicom Lung AIDS into nursing homes.