Magpul SHOT Show 2009 teaser photos.

[NickB]

SHOT Show 2009 kicks off in just under 4 hours, so I think it's about time to start letting the cat(s) out of the bag. More information, details, specs, and photos will be coming soon, but I'll leave you with these photos for the time being. Today is going to be a long day on the show floor, so I apologize in advance if my next reply in this thread is somewhat delayed. If you happen to be in Orlando, come by the booth and check out the new gear for yourself!

http://www.magpul.com/images/teaser1.jpg
http://www.magpul.com/images/teaser2.jpg
http://www.magpul.com/images/teaser3.jpg
http://www.magpul.com/images/teaser4.jpg

[Rider79]

7.62mm Pmags? :eek: And here we go. Let the games begin.

[Iraqgunz]

7.62 PMAGs. Hmmm....wonder what weapons they will fit? Someone must have read my post here about making PMAGs in 7.62. :D

[Rider79]

It's wishful thinking, but it would be cool if they made ones to fit my M1A. Since our troops are using them in theater right now. I don't see myself ever owning an AR10.

[Robb Jensen]

I'm betting they fit SR-25/DPMS pattern .308 rifles.

[RadioActivity]

EMAG? hum...any ideas people?

[Frens]

my FAL is waiting :p

[Army Chief]

EMAG? hum...any ideas people?

I think the tip-off was actually in another post ... HK-compatible.

AC

[variablebinary]

EMAG? hum...any ideas people?

Plays nice with SCAR I would wager...

[Littlelebowski]

Emag looks less curved, probably a .308.

What's up with the multi cam?

[Frens]

just noticed this: "PMAG 20 LR" ?!

[rob_s]

Looks to me like "emag" is different than "pmag LR 20". Here's hoping the Emag is 5.45 so I can get a 5.45 upper and not rely on crap-products for the magazines.

[RAM Engineer]

"20 LR" = .22 Long Rifle? :D

I need more Magpul *MAG!!!

[JasonCz]

.22lr mags to compete with the blackdogs would be nifty!

[shooter521]

.22lr mags to compete with the blackdogs would be nifty!

A buddy of mine bastardized a PMAG by cutting the top off and epoxying one of the first-gen BDM's (the skinny ones) inside it, which made my other buddy (a total PMAG whore) cry. A Magpul .22LR mag would put an end to such insanity. :D

[rubberneck]

Looks to me like "emag" is different than "pmag LR 20". Here's hoping the Emag is 5.45 so I can get a 5.45 upper and not rely on crap-products for the magazines.

Judging by the width of those mags in relation to the other objects in the photo I don't think it is for the 5.45. My guess is that it is for the 6X35mm.

[Palmguy]

Judging by the width of those mags in relation to the other objects in the photo I don't think it is for the 5.45. My guess is that it is for the 6X35mm.

That would certainly be an interesting development...

[WitchDoctor02]

Whatever the EMAG is, I want it! Standing by for speculation and teasers. Enjoy SHOT guys.

[thopkins22]

I really like the covers being able to snap onto the bottom of the mag. I'm always stuffing them in my pockets when I get to the range.

[LonghunterCO]

I'm betting they fit SR-25/DPMS pattern .308 rifles.

+1. I am not just saying that because I need some of these for my SR-25.;)

[Army Chief]

I'll bite: when are the 6.8mm mags coming? :)

AC

[Kaos]

EMAG?

Economy-Mag?
Eco-Friendly-Mag?
Extenze-Mag?

[mos2111]

Looks to me like "emag" is different than "pmag LR 20". Here's hoping the Emag is 5.45 so I can get a 5.45 upper and not rely on crap-products for the magazines.

As far as I know there is no brass cased 5.45x39, or rather any that would be affordable to allow the quality testing that Magpul does.

[mtdawg169]

IIRC, pmags were released prior to the Masada being revealed. Maybe something bigger in the works here than just the new mags? "LR" has me curious. I guess we`ll know soon enough. More pics please!

[decodeddiesel]

Plays nice with SCAR I would wager...

I would guess you're correct, and I would also add HK 416.

[LonghunterCO]

IIRC, pmags were released prior to the Masada being revealed. Maybe something bigger in the works here than just the new mags?

Magpul Massoud?

[Kaos]

IIRC, pmags were released prior to the Masada being revealed. Maybe something bigger in the works here than just the new mags? "LR" has me curious. I guess we`ll know soon enough. More pics please!

could mean a magpul 22 lr kit is on the way

[Paulinski]

When are the 9mm PMAGS coming - 32 and 20 round?

[Impact]

very cool stuff..it's all about mags !

[tiger seven]

Since we're all guessing... :)

My predictions are that the EMAG is the PMAG variant designed for the SCAR and/or HK 416; and the "20LR" shown is the bottom of the mag seen in the following picture, a straight 20-round 7.62x51 mag designed for SR-25/Mk11/M110 rifles.

I don't need either (only because I can't afford a SCAR, a 416 or an SR-25) but I'm glad to see Magpul hard at work on great new stuff!

Derek

[Larsin]

The Colt SCW Looks interesting...

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=149590

[Jay Cunningham]

Here's hoping the Emag is 5.45 so I can get a 5.45 upper and not rely on crap-products for the magazines.

No doubt.

[olds442tyguy]

I don't see why people are speculating what the 7.62 mags fit.

Now I just want to know if I can get a Massoud, and how much it will be.

[ZOMBIE101]

I would like to see Magpul with an AI style 7.62 pmag for the bolt action crowd....That would really be nice!!!

[El Mac]

my FAL is waiting :p

second that!

[RadioActivity]

I don't understand why guys think the SCAR or 416 would need a different format magazine then anything the PMAG is compatable with. An update from the PMAG I could understand, but that would apply to any AR15 format firearm and not be SCAR/416 specific.

Unless I'm mistaken? Wouldn't be the first time :p

I would like to see a 22LR mag, definetly a 5.45 mag as thats about the only viable (cheap) fighting caliber these days is 5.45 and magazine reliability is the only thing holding the caliber back in the AR format.

The ability to store the magazine cover on the bottom of the mag is clever but a novelty...only a matter of time until they are littering course lanes. I wouldn't ditch my current PMAGS for that feature alone.

I'm excited and nervous....I bought a lot of PMAGS... :D Glad to see Magpul doesn't rest on its laurels. Go Magpul Go!

[5pins]

I will take a wild ass guess. The PMAG 20LR is for the 6.8

[skyugo]

just noticed this: "PMAG 20 LR" ?!

i was just looking at that too.... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :D

[Savior 6]

My guess is that the 20LR is the 7.62x51 as it looks like the bottom of the 7.62x51 mag cover possibly has "LR" on it as well. LR could simply be "Long Range" when comparing it to the 5.56.
Not sure on the Emag though. I doubt it is a 5.45x39 as they are the same OA length and the Emag30 appears to be shorter in length from front to back than the Pmag30. I'm going to have to second the 6x35.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Isn't that E-mag in the first picture a bit small, as in it would take a round shorter than .223? Did someone mention that? I didn't think that mags were that much an issue for ar10s, I thought it was the gas system being finicky about the rounds used.

[Outlander Systems]

I'm wagering that the 7.72x51 mags are for the ACR.

http://i41.tinypic.com/2rf64n8.jpg

I'm hoping and praying that the 'Pul is going to display the production model of the ACS. I am growing weary over the wait. Perhaps some snazzy pics and intel on the final version will tether my dinero to my wallet.

Come on Nick, break loose some ACS Porn, bro.

[JSGlock34]

Pics in the LaRue forum on TOS show the LR20 as a 7.62mm magazine compatible with the new LaRue OSR rifle.

Link (http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=219&t=168584)

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

So, if the LR20s are for the Larue rifle, and that is compatible with the M110 system, that means that it is compatible with DPMS lowers.

[NickB]

A couple quick points to clarify before I hit the sack:

1. The PMAG 20-LR is a 20-round curved 7.62 NATO/.308 Winchester magazine designed for weapons that use SR25-pattern magazines (i.e. M110, Mk11, LWRC SABR, LaRue OSR, DPMS, Massoud, etc.). It has a four-way anti-tilt follower similar to the standard PMAG, and was designed specifically with M118LR ammunition in mind (read: military applications).

2. The EMAG is the "Export Magazine". Although it remains 100% compatible with AR15/M16 weapon systems, its slim profile and unique geometry are optimized for foreign-made weapon systems such as the HK 416, FN SCAR, SA-80, ARX-160, etc.

3. No rimfire magazines at this time, although that is a damn good idea that I've been wanting to see for a long time!

More info to come soon. I'll see if I can't get a PDF of the catalog online tomorrow, assuming I can shrink it to a reasonable file size!

[NickB]

So, if the LR20s are for the Larue rifle, and that is compatible with the M110 system, that means that it is compatible with DPMS lowers.

The PMAG 20-LR is not "for" the LaRue OSR any more than it is "for" the SASS, DPMS, LWRC SABR, etc. If anything, it is for the Magpul Massoud, which continues its development quietly in the back room of our shop. ;)

[CLHC]

2. The EMAG is the "Export Magazine".
E-Mag = "Export Magazine" There it is. :)

[system60]

You guys ever think of doing 10rd Pmags for us unfortunate souls in states that still have AWB's

[ra2bach]

The PMAG 20-LR is not "for" the LaRue OSR any more than it is "for" the SASS, DPMS, LWRC SABR, etc. If anything, it is for the Magpul Massoud, which continues its development quietly in the back room of our shop. ;)

yeah. hey! someone told me that Urban Dark Earth is the new Mauve. is it really the new mauve???

:p

[ARin]

You guys ever think of doing 10rd Pmags for us unfortunate souls in states that still have AWB's


Move to America.

[Trey73]

I am ecstatic to hear this news, especially because some one mentioned the SABR!

Just in case you have been one of the poor souls waiting you better know................they officially began taking orders yesterday morning. I called EARLY and they said a few people had already called. $3125 expected price on the 18" DMR, OUCH!

I feel a more than a little bit silly spending that much on one rifle, but honestly, a friggin M1A is almost $2,000 nowadays. I will just be glad just to get it in the safe before any heavy handed anti-gun action occurs. Delivery is expected in early April, I hope they hold up to that. I have seen some folks waiting a LOOOOOONG time on the LWRC boards.

Sorry I didn't mean to hi-jack...........I thought people who were interested would want to know before the wait is 30 some odd weeks.

[Trey73]

The PMAG 20-LR is not "for" the LaRue OSR any more than it is "for" the SASS, DPMS, LWRC SABR, etc. If anything, it is for the Magpul Massoud, which continues its development quietly in the back room of our shop. ;)

Are those 5.56 lowers on the Noveske/Magpul rifle ever going to be sold seperately?

[bushmasterar15]

Are those 5.56 lowers on the Noveske/Magpul rifle ever going to be sold seperately?

I wouldn't think they would be available seperately. I was on the waiting list at the dealers that took names of people that wanted one. But we will all have to wait and see now.

[Army Chief]

Assuming you're talking about the Magpul MPL lowers that Noveske has been building guns on, I would say no. Magpul has been pretty up front about the fact that there are insurance issues involved if nothing else, and the current arrangement with Noveske provides a very unique -- and very limited -- loophole. Part of the problem, if you want to call it that, is that Magpul found these lowers too costly to make, and elected not to pursue serial production.

The real question is whether or not we'll ever see Noveske's own lowers sold again, given the shortages -- he can't even seem to get them in quantity to address existing orders right now.

AC

[Rider79]

Move to America.

Best shit I've heard all day.

[Iraqgunz]

I must have been asleep. What is the SABR?

[RadioActivity]

SABR is exciting indeed...kind of waiting on info for the SCAR-H. But the SABR is on my "list". I am excited to see a lot of LWRC products available finally! Its a good time to be a firearms enthusiast for sure.

I still dont understand why the SCAR-L or HK416 would need a different pattern magazine than the PMAG. A slimmer profile? I can see that it lacks the PMAG's ribs (wonder if that makes it any weaker...) but I don't entirely understand it's purpose....:confused:

EDIT - Wanted to add, the SABR is a 7.62 version of the LWRC piston rifles with some differences (like a left side located charging handle) ect. You can see it on their site LWCRI.com

[variablebinary]

So what's the deal on the ACR since this is a Magpul thread.

It's totally off the grid it seems...

[tiger seven]

A couple quick points to clarify before I hit the sack:

1. The PMAG 20-LR is a 20-round curved 7.62 NATO/.308 Winchester magazine designed for weapons that use SR25-pattern magazines (i.e. M110, Mk11, LWRC SABR, LaRue OSR, DPMS, Massoud, etc.). It has a four-way anti-tilt follower similar to the standard PMAG, and was designed specifically with M118LR ammunition in mind (read: military applications).

2. The EMAG is the "Export Magazine". Although it remains 100% compatible with AR15/M16 weapon systems, its slim profile and unique geometry are optimized for foreign-made weapon systems such as the HK 416, FN SCAR, SA-80, ARX-160, etc.

3. No rimfire magazines at this time, although that is a damn good idea that I've been wanting to see for a long time!

More info to come soon. I'll see if I can't get a PDF of the catalog online tomorrow, assuming I can shrink it to a reasonable file size!

Well I almost got it right, except for the 20-LR being curved. :)

Thanks for the info, Nick!

Derek

[Frens]

so...my FAL has to wait... :(

[RAM Engineer]

A couple quick points to clarify before I hit the sack:

2. The EMAG is the "Export Magazine". Although it remains 100% compatible with AR15/M16 weapon systems, its slim profile and unique geometry are optimized for foreign-made weapon systems such as the HK 416, FN SCAR, SA-80, ARX-160, etc.


The EMAG will still be available here in the USA, though, right?

[No.6]

Move to America.

Sadly, that is so true.

[adh]

I'm wagering that the 7.72x51 mags are for the ACR.

http://i41.tinypic.com/2rf64n8.jpg

I'm hoping and praying that the 'Pul is going to display the production model of the ACS. I am growing weary over the wait. Perhaps some snazzy pics and intel on the final version will tether my dinero to my wallet.

Come on Nick, break loose some ACS Porn, bro.

Check out this pic from TOS
http://ee.ar15.com/shot/viewImage.asp?file=/shot/090115 - Day 1/IMG_0053.jpg

[R1pper]

Linky no workie

-DM-

[Kaos]

Check out this pic from TOS
http://ee.ar15.com/shot/viewImage.asp?file=/shot/090115 - Day 1/IMG_0053.jpg

dead link.

[decodeddiesel]

Holy crap that sling looks awesome!

[BushmasterFanBoy]

http://ee.ar15.com/shot/viewImage.asp?file=/shot/090115%20-%20Day%201/IMG_0053.jpg

[BushmasterFanBoy]

So what's the deal on the ACR since this is a Magpul thread.

It's totally off the grid it seems...

Last I heard, BM was going to try to win a military contract with it, and was going to delay release until the req's were released. Since this is a long ways off, everyone assumed it would never see the light of day.

Magpul, understandably, is angry at forumboys who can't seem to grasp the concept that BM is in charge of manufacturing and distribution, not them. So, they keep tight-lipped about it (and all their other products) until they are released so as not to catch flak from impatient hordes.

[RyanB]

Understand that BM is horribly backordered on the AR side and struggling just to get what they can of their current product line out. Now is not a good time to retool.

[Outlander Systems]

I need it!

http://ee.ar15.com/shot/090115%20-%20Day%201/IMG_0053.jpg

[M4arc]

When are the ACS stocks going to be available?

[adh]

MAgpul Youtube from TOS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5nOt2pSySY

Magpul sling plate and sling
Magpul ACS stock
Magpul MBUS (rear)

I want them all:)

[M4arc]

MAgpul Youtube from TOS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5nOt2pSySY

Magpul sling plate and sling
Magpul ACS stock
Magpul MBUS (rear)

I want them all:)

I do want the ACS and MBUS!

[Army Chief]

Last I heard, BM was going to try to win a military contract with it, and was going to delay release until the req's were released. Since this is a long ways off, everyone assumed it would never see the light of day.

Magpul, understandably, is angry at forumboys who can't seem to grasp the concept that BM is in charge of manufacturing and distribution, not them.

I'm pretty weary of this military contract talk ... yes, there will be new trials, and yes, Remington/Bushmaster has an excellent contender on their hands, but even if the ACR emerges victorious from said trials, there is no guarantee that this will translate into widespread fielding and/or a lucrative contract*; meanwhile, the civil customer base is beginning to wonder if indeed all of this waiting will result in any payoff whatsoever.

Also, not to be confrontational, but I seriously doubt that Magpul is "angry" at anyone; especially their potential customers. Tired of answering questions? Sure. Disappointed that the Masada/ACR hasn't yet gone to full rate production? Of course. Sick-to-death of dealing with clowns that might fall into the category of a "forumboy" or "fanboy" (no offense, but I still have no idea what these terms are really supposed to convey)? No doubt. Frustration is surely warranted, but frustration isn't necessarily the same thing as outright anger.

Magpul is a company in transition, and while I think that their commitment to the citizen rifleman has always been above reproach, any fool can see that their long-term business model must be built upon a less volatile customer base that is unlikely to be effected by things like AWBs or other "reasonable restrictions" upon the Second Amendment. That means LE and military contracts, and to their credit, that seems to be what they are pursuing.

When it comes to ACR production delays, we surely cannot criticize Magpul proper, but no matter how rational we may try to be, the end result is still the same: we're left standing around, credit cards in hand, waiting for Cerebus/Remington/Bushmaster to push the "go" button. I know that this is still on the agenda, but the real question now is this: will they get it done in time?

AC

* Ask HK how well winning the last competition with the XM-8 has worked out for them.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

I'm pretty weary of this military contract talk ... yes, there will be new trials, and yes, Remington/Bushmaster has an excellent contender on their hands, but even if the ACR emerges victorious from said trials, there is no guarantee that this will translate into widespread fielding and/or a lucrative contract*; meanwhile, the civil customer base is beginning to wonder if indeed all of this waiting will result in any payoff whatsoever.

Also, not to be confrontational, but I seriously doubt that Magpul is "angry" at anyone; especially their potential customers. Tired of answering questions? Sure. Disappointed that the Masada/ACR hasn't yet gone to full rate production? Of course. Sick-to-death of dealing with clowns that might fall into the category of a "forumboy" or "fanboy" (no offense, but I still have no idea what these terms are really supposed to convey)? No doubt. Frustration is surely warranted, but frustration isn't necessarily the same thing as outright anger.

Magpul is a company in transition, and while I think that their commitment to the citizen rifleman has always been above reproach, any fool can see that their long-term business model must be built upon a less volatile customer base that is unlikely to be effected by things like AWBs or other "reasonable restrictions" upon the Second Amendment. That means LE and military contracts, and to their credit, that seems to be what they are pursuing.

When it comes to ACR production delays, we surely cannot criticize Magpul proper, but no matter how rational we may try to be, the end result is still the same: we're left standing around, credit cards in hand, waiting for Cerebus/Remington/Bushmaster to push the "go" button. I know that this is still on the agenda, but the real question now is this: will they get it done in time?

AC

* Ask HK how well winning the last competition with the XM-8 has worked out for them.

This post is why I love this forum. How many other forums would have a thoughtful, intelligent post on page 4, post 73. On TOS, I pretty much read the first page and it usually is down hill fast.

Now, MORE PICTURES.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

MAgpul Youtube from TOS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5nOt2pSySY

Magpul sling plate and sling
Magpul ACS stock
Magpul MBUS (rear)

I want them all:)

Man, another sling I have to get. That is slick.

Will that sling plate work with a UBR stock?

If the sight gets locked down when you are dropping to the ground you can just "karate chop" it to get it to deploy.

SWEET stuff. Funny to watch Costa just hitting the deck in the middle of the trade show floor.

[Kaos]

I do want the ACS and MBUS!

DItto!

[Army Chief]

Funny to watch Costa just hitting the deck in the middle of the trade show floor.

No doubt. I'm by no means a personality worshipper, but Costa is just industrial-strength smooth.

Intensity, competence, and not one ounce of pretension ... man, who doesn't want to train with this dude?

AC

[AirmanAtwood]

damn magpul, always taking my money from me. That sling plate/sling and the MBUS are top on my "I WANT REALLY BAD" list.

[Palmguy]

removed for brevity

Great post, Chief. Agreed 100%.

[dee loo]

I was told at the show to expect the MBUS at the end of February. If I remember correctly, the ACS would be released around April. I want one.

Many Thanks to Magpul for the posters and dummy rounds. GI MOE!

[rmecapn]

Bummer, no BAD. :( I'd sure like to release the bolt with my trigger finger.

[subzero]

I was pretty impressed by most of the doodads shown off in the video. I'm not fan of single points, but I'm always looking for a new idea on a good two point.

Clipping the dust cover onto the bottom of the Pmag is such a good idea I'm pissed I didn't think of it first. No more just tossing those things away when I get a Pmag.

The hybrid CTR/UBR/whateverR stock will find a home with me as soon as it's available. Bye bye Vltor.



* Ask HK how well winning the last competition with the XM-8 has worked out for them.

Good point.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

I was pretty impressed by most of the doodads shown off in the video. I'm not fan of single points, but I'm always looking for a new idea on a good two point.



I don't like single points for the reason that you can't stow the rifle, or even do much with out a hand on the gun. That is the first single point I've seen that transforms into a two point for when you want to lock it down.

[nickdrak]

The guys from MagPul are very impressive! That new sling set-up is cool beyond belief man!!!

.308 AR's seem to be the big news coming out of Shot this year. It is really good to see all of the ingenuity being applied to the .308 AR platform. The LaRue OSR, LMT .308 MRP, MagPul Massoud, and LWRC SABR are all amazing looking rifles.

[subzero]

The Dieter CQD sling could do that. It's been around since 01 or 02, I think. But without a method for quickly adjusting the length of it, I never felt like it was truly a single point AND a good two point. You had to adjust it so it was a two point with good length but would then be overlarge as a single point, allowing an already floppy sling method to be even floppier. Or you could ajsut it so it was good as a single point, but then the only thing it could do as a two point was be a carry strap.

So the Magpul sling would be a pretty nicely upgraded idea of the CQD.

[zen_grasshopper]

Dear Magpul (Santa?),

Please make the BAD, so I can actually attach a Redi-Mag to my patrol rifle, as I believe a BAD makes it complete.

Oh and if you are going to make the BAD could you get them out before my next training in April?

Jon

[teufeldog]

Here is the high quality link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5nOt2pSySY&fmt=18) to the Magpul SHOT video (low qual linked to earlier in the thread).

[Spooky130]

The guys from MagPul are very impressive! That new sling set-up is cool beyond belief man!!!

.308 AR's seem to be the big news coming out of Shot this year. It is really good to see all of the ingenuity being applied to the .308 AR platform. The LaRue OSR, LMT .308 MRP, MagPul Massoud, and LWRC SABR are all amazing looking rifles.

Any more info on this???

[mayonaise]

I'm not a fan of the single point system but that is the best one I've seen. I'll stick with my Vickers for the time being. The new rail is nice. Free float? Length options?

Not sure about the bolt release. In theory it looks like a good piece of kit if you have excellent finger and or safety discipline otherwise I see some serious potential for launching rounds negligently.

I like the PMAG dust covers but keeping track of them is a b*tch. I guess we're going away with ranger plates etc...

[nickdrak]

From Ken Lunde's pics:

http://i42.tinypic.com/14t4f44.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/x3eteq.jpg

[decodeddiesel]

Not sure about the bolt release. In theory it looks like a good piece of kit if you have excellent finger and or safety discipline otherwise I see some serious potential for launching rounds negligently.


How do you figure? The shooter's ringer remains outside of the trigger guard during manipulation of the controls. I don't see how this could cause an ND without the gross negligence which causes NDs in the first place.

[nickdrak]

How do you figure? The shooter's ringer remains outside of the trigger guard during manipulation of the controls. I don't see how this could cause an ND without the gross negligence which causes NDs in the first place.


This whole subject has been discussed at length in the other thread(s) regarding the B.A.D. Let's not turn this thread into a ND discussion. I' just sayin'....

[decodeddiesel]

This whole subject has been discussed at length in the other thread(s) regarding the B.A.D. Let's not turn this thread into a ND discussion. I' just sayin'....

Thanks I know. I was trying to help someone out to understand how it works and why it would not cause an ND, but I'll shut up now.

[decodeddiesel]

The guys from MagPul are very impressive! That new sling set-up is cool beyond belief man!!!

.308 AR's seem to be the big news coming out of Shot this year. It is really good to see all of the ingenuity being applied to the .308 AR platform. The LaRue OSR, LMT .308 MRP, MagPul Massoud, and LWRC SABR are all amazing looking rifles.

I agree, this is my assessment as well. Interesting that most of these are DPMS patterened.

[Spooky130]

From Ken Lunde's pics:

PICS

NICE... I saw the video over on TOS - they spent about 10 seconds on it. Prototype now, accepting orders in June/July with delivery in November...

Immediate questions I have:
Other barrel lengths or materials?
Any other calibers in the future?
What mag will it work with (hopefully they got the word on MagPul's newest stuff)?
Any plans for a piston version?
Any different rail lengths in the future?

Spooky

[jakjakman]

Word on the street is that there's a second 'Art of the Tactical Carbine' on the way. :cool:

[RogerinTPA]

I do want the ACS and MBUS!

Ditto! Looks like Magpul will be taking a lot of my $ this year!

[caporider]

I agree, this is my assessment as well. Interesting that most of these are DPMS patterened.

Actually, they are all KAC patterned (including DPMS), as KAC currently owns the 7.62 semi .MIL market and everyone wants compatibility with these mags. The OSR goes a step further by being drop-in compatible with KAC uppers and lowers.

[decodeddiesel]

Actually, they are all KAC patterned (including DPMS), as KAC currently owns the 7.62 semi .MIL market and everyone wants compatibility with these mags. The OSR goes a step further by being drop-in compatible with KAC uppers and lowers.

Didn't DPMS come up with this lower design first, or was it KAC? I know all about the M110 but I thought it was DPMS who designed that magazine system. :confused:

[SethB]

ArmaLite, a now defunct division of Fairchild Aircraft, designed the lower which, over time, led to the KAC, LaRue and DPMS units.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

I think I'll wait for the DI piston models for the .308. Not a big fan of piston 5.56 rifles, but it just seems that the AR10 platforms are more touchy about ammo selection. I would think that a DI system would be more reliable (not trying to start a Holy War here.)

Just a reason to stock up on lr20 mags!

[RAM Engineer]

I think I'll wait for the DI piston models for the .308.

What's a "DI Piston"?

[No.6]

What's a "DI Piston"?


Best of both worlds. ;)

[Abiqua]

So what's the deal on the ACR since this is a Magpul thread.

It's totally off the grid it seems...

My buddy from Leupold just called to tell me that he talked to the national sales manager from Bushmaster about the ACR and it's gonna be released to .mil first and to expect civilian sales towards the end of the year.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Best of both worlds. ;)

DI, the gas impinges the operating rod ;)

I always get that messed up, I hear impingment, and I think of rod moving and impinging the bolt carrier, directly.

[decodeddiesel]

My buddy from Leupold just called to tell me that he talked to the national sales manager from Bushmaster about the ACR and it's gonna be released to .mil first and to expect civilian sales towards the end of the year.

Um yeah that...well if I were you I wouldn't hold my breath or anything.

[KingsideRook]

That sling and sling plate is hot. The adjustability of the BFG Vickers in two-point use, with a click to go to single point, and none of the twisted-up-ness even a single-point sling gets when you cross shoulder transition. As subzero said before, the quick change of length is what makes the idea work, otherwise, your sling is always too long one way, or too long the other way.

Now if they'd just put it up on the website by the end of SHOT. ;)

I like the look of the MBUS, especially the quick deploy and the fact that it's more likely to collapse to closed than break if dropped, but I guess I just want to see one before it replaces my Troys...I love plastic, but if it weren't by Magpul, I don't think I'd consider plastic backup sights, even though they are just that, backups.

[Danny Boy]

Everything that I saw at Magpul knocked my socks off, even just the old stuff with the updates.

The LWRC rifles were also very exciting.

[Army Chief]

My buddy from Leupold just called to tell me that he talked to the national sales manager from Bushmaster about the ACR and it's gonna be released to .mil first and to expect civilian sales towards the end of the year.

Missed opportunity. I'll say no more about it.

AC

[Army Chief]

Everything that I saw at Magpul knocked my socks off, even just the old stuff with the updates.

Time and again, I look at what Rich & company have done, and muse to myself "that is exactly how I would have wanted to do it." This isn't about being a "fanboy" -- or whatever the stupid term of the week is -- it's about professional respect for a team that has done very well for themselves, even as they have brought the end user some of the most innovative products of the past decade.

Consider the brilliance of their business model ...

1. Start with a modest niche product (http://www.magpul.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=80_95_99&products_id=196) that replaces a lot of less-effective field expedients.
2. Use the latest polymers (which afford a nice markup while still enabling customer-friendly MSRPs).
3. Staff the company with the very best talent that can be found -- and expand carefully (http://magpuldynamics.com/news/index.shtml).
4. Resource in-house R&D (http://www.magpul.com/tech/masada.html) and the conceptual design foundry to the point of almost being ridiculous.
5. Always be working on something (http://www.magpul.com/gallery/lower.html) -- and have a half-dozen other "somethings" waiting in the queue.
6. Identify ways to improve weapons systems (http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5694#post5694) that are already almost universally fielded.
7. Forge intelligent corporate alliances (http://www.bushmaster.com/press_release_013108.asp) to augment capabilities that don't yet exist in-house.
8. Collaborate on special projects with recognized market leaders, builders (http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin/imcart/display.cgi?item_id=r-mplmoe-556&cat=78&page=1&search=&since=&status=), suppliers and manufacturers (http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Detail.bok?no=251).
9. Revive great ideas from the past (http://www.magpul.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=80_120&products_id=268) that simply weren't practical with old materials and technologies.
10. Introduce projects (http://www.magpul.com/pdfs/fmg9.pdf) that build interest and enthusiasm for the brand, even if there is no plan for near-term production and distribution.
11. Know the market -- not only today's market, but the one you're likely to be forced to deal with tomorrow.
12. Pay attention to visual design elements (http://magpul.com/designgroup/designgroup.html) that enhance product design and establish corporate presence. Think about this one: color schemes, branding/logo, typefaces, common characteristics across the product line ... ever seen Magpul do anything that came off as garish, ugly or over-the-top? Yeah, me neither.

The list could go on, but the point is made, and SHOT 2009 is just another page in an already compelling history for Team Magpul. I guess the only thing that is really surprising here is that we're still surprised when they show up with this stuff. You would think that we would have learned by now. LOL

AC

[Army Chief]

That sling and sling plate is hot.

Concur. Without exhuming the old debate about one- versus two- versus three-point slings, I really like the versatility of the new setup, and prefer to always keep one hand on the weapon, anyway. Obviously, that may be less practical in an LEO setting, for example, but for my purposes I think this is a pretty optimal configuration.

AC

[Iraqgunz]

I am just a glorified knuckle dragger so here it is FWIW.

1. Release to the .MIL first? WHo might that be and who knows if they will even be interested?

2. The .MIL/GOV is a slow moving machine and they could delay any new procurement or tests for a long time.

3. While they are waiting for the magical fairy godmother to show up they are losing valuable sales to civilians as well as the potential for the weapon to get more exposure which could in turn pique more interest than it would otherwise get.

4. Bushmaster still has problems making a good carbine/rifle so I personally do not have much faith in their ability to make this thing happen. YMMV.



My buddy from Leupold just called to tell me that he talked to the national sales manager from Bushmaster about the ACR and it's gonna be released to .mil first and to expect civilian sales towards the end of the year.

[caporider]

I like the look of the MBUS, especially the quick deploy and the fact that it's more likely to collapse to closed than break if dropped, but I guess I just want to see one before it replaces my Troys...I love plastic, but if it weren't by Magpul, I don't think I'd consider plastic backup sights, even though they are just that, backups.

I think Magpul intends these to be true BACKUP iron sights, not an alternative to fixed irons like the FSB/carry handle combination. Notice that there is nothing holding the front sight post in place except friction against threaded plastic.

[threebanger]

This thread gets me thinking & you know what would be uber. A mag for all the MK14s, M21s, M25s & M39s that are in circulation ( I understand that the steel mags aren't as big of an issue but an alternative would be nice). I'm guessing the numbers aren't as great as 5.56 platforms but I'm willing to bet it's = to or greater than MK11s/SR25s in service.

[JSGlock34]

7. Forge intelligent corporate alliances (http://www.bushmaster.com/press_release_013108.asp) to augment capabilities that don't yet exist in-house.
8. Collaborate on special projects with recognized market leaders, builders (http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin/imcart/display.cgi?item_id=r-mplmoe-556&cat=78&page=1&search=&since=&status=), suppliers and manufacturers (http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Detail.bok?no=251).
AC

This. I am increasingly impressed with MagPul's ability to get along well with just about everyone in the industry. They have collaborations with Noveske, LaRue, S&W, Bushmaster and others. Everyone wants to work with MagPul, and that's a testament to the quality of their products and their people. My own customer service experience with MagPul was outstanding, and will keep me coming back.

[Gutshot John]

Wow...more pics please. :D

I'd second the motion for FAL mags, but I suppose Magpul is dedicated to the AR market for now, which is fine with me. I'd be similarly interested in 9mm mags. :)

[macman37]

Time and again, I look at what Rich & company have done, and muse to myself "that is exactly how I would have wanted to do it." This isn't about being a "fanboy" -- or whatever the stupid term of the week is -- it's about professional respect for a team that has done very well for themselves, even as they have brought the end user some of the most innovative products of the past decade.

Consider the brilliance of their business model ...

1. Start with a modest niche product (http://www.magpul.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=80_95_99&products_id=196) that replaces a lot of less-effective field expedients.
2. Use the latest polymers (which afford a nice markup while still enabling customer-friendly MSRPs).
3. Staff the company with the very best talent that can be found -- and expand carefully (http://magpuldynamics.com/news/index.shtml).
4. Resource in-house R&D (http://www.magpul.com/tech/masada.html) and the conceptual design foundry to the point of almost being ridiculous.
5. Always be working on something (http://www.magpul.com/gallery/lower.html) -- and have a half-dozen other "somethings" waiting in the queue.
6. Identify ways to improve weapons systems (http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5694#post5694) that are already almost universally fielded.
7. Forge intelligent corporate alliances (http://www.bushmaster.com/press_release_013108.asp) to augment capabilities that don't yet exist in-house.
8. Collaborate on special projects with recognized market leaders, builders (http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin/imcart/display.cgi?item_id=r-mplmoe-556&cat=78&page=1&search=&since=&status=), suppliers and manufacturers (http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Detail.bok?no=251).
9. Revive great ideas from the past (http://www.magpul.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=80_120&products_id=268) that simply weren't practical with old materials and technologies.
10. Introduce projects (http://www.magpul.com/pdfs/fmg9.pdf) that build interest and enthusiasm for the brand, even if there is no plan for near-term production and distribution.
11. Know the market -- not only today's market, but the one you're likely to be forced to deal with tomorrow.
12. Pay attention to visual design elements (http://magpul.com/designgroup/designgroup.html) that enhance product design and establish corporate presence. Think about this one: color schemes, branding/logo, typefaces, common characteristics across the product line ... ever seen Magpul do anything that came off as garish, ugly or over-the-top? Yeah, me neither.

The list could go on, but the point is made, and SHOT 2009 is just another page in an already compelling history for Team Magpul. I guess the only thing that is really surprising here is that we're still surprised when they show up with this stuff. You would think that we would have learned by now. LOL

AC

GREAT post, chief!

Everything I've seen (and own, which is plenty!) from MagPul is top notch kit, but it's also designed well. As a graphic designer myself, I respect the heck out of that.

Purpose-built kit has an aesthetic all it's own... but then to top it off with the great look that MagPul has been able to show for ten years now? Awesome. Just awesome.

I think MagPul has once again stolen the SHOT show this year. :)

[macman37]

I am trying to ascertain whether I can modify a 7.62x51mm Pmag to work with M1as...

I might buy a couple just for testing purposes...

[Littlelebowski]

With FAL mags going for under $10 (unless I've missed a recent uptick in price) I don't see the need. Never had a problem with FAL mags.

[Jay Cunningham]

With FAL mags going for under $10 (unless I've missed a recent uptick in price) I don't see the need. Never had a problem with FAL mags.

A lot of people seem to want new and different just for the sake of new and different.

[Spooky130]

A lot of people seem to want new and different just for the sake of new and different.

Ain't that the truth...

[Gutshot John]

With FAL mags going for under $10 (unless I've missed a recent uptick in price) I don't see the need. Never had a problem with FAL mags.

Actually I'm as a means of securing "new" as in "not used" FAL mags. Things wear.

If you have a source on good, new replacement springs etc. I'd love to hear it. I get the DSA ones, but I don't think they're "new" new.

FAL mags have upticked in price lately. The only unissued mags I know of are israeli and they've been sitting around (finish is flaking) for a while and go for about $15-20/pop.

[Savior 6]

Gutshot John, you should try G1 mags. They come in ten packs factory sealed and are the best FAL mags I have seen. I bought one pack and opened to inspect them, only to wish I would have left them sealed. Bought another pack recently though to make myself feel better. The first pack I bought during the ban for 225 and the second recently for 175. Don't get me wrong though, if Pmags come out for the FAL I will definately be buying some.

[Gutshot John]

Gutshot John, you should try G1 mags. They come in ten packs factory sealed and are the best FAL mags I have seen. I bought one pack and opened to inspect them, only to wish I would have left them sealed. Bought another pack recently though to make myself feel better. The first pack I bought during the ban for 225 and the second recently for 175. Don't get me wrong though, if Pmags come out for the FAL I will definately be buying some.

Do you have a source? I haven't seen these in a while and couldn't really find any by search the net.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Time and again, I look at what Rich & company have done, and muse to myself "that is exactly how I would have wanted to do it." ...

.....history for Team Magpul. I guess the only thing that is really surprising here is that we're still surprised when they show up with this stuff. You would think that we would have learned by now. LOL

AC

I guess that is what happens when a bunch of ex-SF type guys do a business model? I think in the year 2100, all food with be Taco Bell and everything else will be Magpul. I want a Magpul SUV, a MAGPUL cellphone, MAGPUL airlines, and a Magpul lawyer on retainer. Now that is change I can believe in.

How about Magpul cups to drink my Koolaide?

[ra2bach]

...Magpul, understandably, is angry at forumboys who can't seem to grasp the concept that BM is in charge of manufacturing and distribution, not them. So, they keep tight-lipped about it (and all their other products) until they are released so as not to catch flak from impatient hordes.

well it's tough to be a rock star...

[AirmanAtwood]

How about Magpul cups to drink my Koolaide?

If those cups can be ran over with trucks and still function perfectly, I'll take 10

[randolph]

If those cups can be ran over with trucks and still function perfectly, I'll take 10

if the lid snaps onto the bottom when not in use, Im good for ten also :p

[Outlander Systems]

I imagine a Magpul SUV would have carabiner lock points and extended running boards so the passengers could stand completely outside the vehicle, whilst being retained, and providing 180 degree cover from both sides.

A moonroof opens to allow a center-mounted, 360 degree pivoting seat for continuous suppressive fire, along with an automated control for the turning mechanism.

The tires are neoprene, not air-filled, for the ultimate in run-flat technology.

A slide out seat drops down out of the rear tailgate to allow cover from the 6, as well, the seat propels forward 2' past the bumper to afford the operator a wider axis of turning.

The front bumper has a QD tow hitch, that allows the vehicle to rapel down highway barrier walls backwards, and support outriggers deploy from the undercarriage to prevent side-to-side turning while the vehicle is emerging from its descent. A rear-mounted, vertical-axis wheel allows the vehicle to roll to its driving position upon finishing the descent. A push-button, dash-mounted trigger disconnects the tow hitch from its attachment point, and sensors in the front shocks inform the support wheel to return to its carrier bay underneath the vehicle. On the undercarriage is an unpowered, "tank tread" type rubber assembly that rotates to protect the vehicle from scraping operational components upon descending over a ledge.

2029: Magpul teams with Hummer to bring the HM to the market.

Base model MSRP: $2,640,100.71
*Premium sound system available upon request
**Dealer prep fees and setup may apply

(In the Virtual Reality advertisements, the HM is run over by a Chevy Dualie, and shows no signs of damage, or operational decay)

http://i41.tinypic.com/107urzc.jpg

[joffe]

I guess this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhqs2qvCMB8) would be the Magpul phone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndiDQWG5TZ8), then..

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

I imagine a Magpul SUV would have carabiner lock points and extended running boards so the passengers could stand completely outside the vehicle, whilst being retained, and providing 180 degree cover from both sides.

.... ....
(In the Virtual Reality advertisements, the HM is run over by a Chevy Dualie, and shows no signs of damage, or operational decay)



And I thought I had a Magpul problem..... :eek:

What I think it most interesting thing is that with most gun stuff, you can look at it and go "Oh, that makes sense" or "Thank God, someone finally made that."

The Magpul stuff always seems to have that kicker that makes you go "Oh, I didn't think of that." Plus, I like how they seem to be doing a high/low product offerings. MOE is low, UBR is uber. But they don't seem to sacrifice quality, just functionality. Most people aren't going to complain about less for less, it is junk for less that get's people peeved.

Rock on!

[Army Chief]

What I think it most interesting thing is that with most gun stuff, you can look at it and go "Oh, that makes sense" or "Thank God, someone finally made that."

The Magpul stuff always seems to have that kicker that makes you go "Oh, I didn't think of that." Plus, I like how they seem to be doing a high/low product offerings.

Both excellent points. While most businesses strive to innovate, few do it half as well -- and I can't think of anyone else that has a more effective high/low strategy. I hadn't even thought of it in those terms until you brought it up.

AC

[Caeser25]

Ditto! Looks like Magpul will be taking a lot of my $ this year!

+1...

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Ok, Ok. MORE PICS.

[Outlander Systems]

Ok, Ok. MORE PICS.

More pics of the ACS Stock. Come on dudes, you know this is the best designed storage stock to hit the market. Now keep us from spending our money now with more Magpul porn.

[davemcdonald]

I didn't take any pics but the ACS stock is uber cool. If you like the SOPMOD or Vltor cheek weld then you will love this stock.

[Impact]

lots of pics here:

http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/showthread.php?t=803

[Outlander Systems]

I love the Vltor's ergonomics, so I've been dying for the 'Pul to get these things out. I can only assume they shall be available in the standard MagPul flavours.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that I can get my mittens on a FG when these get released.

[jmart]

More pics of the ACS Stock. Come on dudes, you know this is the best designed storage stock to hit the market. Now keep us from spending our money now with more Magpul porn.

What distinguishes the ACS from Vltor's E-Mod?

[RogerinTPA]

Any news from Magpul when all their cool chit will be available? Magpul, please update your website and come out with an 2009 catalog....Please!

[Kaos]

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e278/fordmech00/magpul1.jpg


polymer winter guard..hmmm...rubber overmolded MOE grip...hmmm...might mean an overmolded MIAD is coming too.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e278/fordmech00/magpul2.jpg

sling, asp, acs pricing:

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e278/fordmech00/magpul4.jpg

[KevinB]

The 7.62x51 mag is very very nice - we ran two thru our Battle Rifle, and I have great hopes for that mag - I think it will really fit the bill for those using guns that take it.

[Batt 57]

Any news from Magpul when all their cool chit will be available? Magpul, please update your website and come out with an 2009 catalog....Please!

February was the answer for most everything.

[DrMark]

I didn't take any pics but the ACS stock is uber cool. If you like the SOPMOD or Vltor cheek weld then you will love this stock.

Yeah, I agree that the ACS feels right.

[.45fmjoe]

Yeah, I agree that the ACS feels right.

I must have shouldered the ACS a half a dozen times, and it is the single most comfortable stock I have ever tried. One could fall asleep on that stock, and I'm not joking. My CTR will be replaced, and I'll save it for an SBR build.

I also met Rich on Saturday at the Magpul booth, and he is a genuinely nice guy. I'm just a guy who likes firearms and spends a lot more of my paycheck than I should on them and he still spent almost 10 minutes just talking to me. Nice to know even the "little people" are appreciated.

[AirmanAtwood]

Possibility of a railed gasblock mounted front MBUS?

[scottryan]

I am just a glorified knuckle dragger so here it is FWIW.

1. Release to the .MIL first? WHo might that be and who knows if they will even be interested?

2. The .MIL/GOV is a slow moving machine and they could delay any new procurement or tests for a long time.

3. While they are waiting for the magical fairy godmother to show up they are losing valuable sales to civilians as well as the potential for the weapon to get more exposure which could in turn pique more interest than it would otherwise get.

4. Bushmaster still has problems making a good carbine/rifle so I personally do not have much faith in their ability to make this thing happen. YMMV.



I agree and have had the same thoughts for some time.

[teufeldog]

Kaos, thanks for the prices. Not only does Magpul make fantastic products, they make them affordable for us mere mortals. :cool:

[Staind503]

I think in the year 2100, all food with be Taco Bell

You just watch Demolition Man recently??

So who wants to buy my troy front and rear folding sights? Def want the MBUS. MAGPUL is just the bee's knees when it comes to this type of stuff.

[Rider79]

So who wants to buy my troy front and rear folding sights? Def want the MBUS.

How much?

[Avenger29]

The ACS stock shall be mine in the somewhat near future!

Awesome job, Magpul dudes. Awesome job.

[rob_s]

So who wants to buy my troy front and rear folding sights? Def want the MBUS. MAGPUL is just the bee's knees when it comes to this type of stuff.

Bad move IMHO. Even the guys at Magpul were saying they wouldn't choose their product over others if budget isn't a concern. Since you already have the Troys, I wouldn't go selling them just to get the "hot new thing".

I assume silliness like this will abound over the next couple of months as these products are released. People will go about selling perfectly good, or even better, products just to have the hot new item(s).

I like Magpul as a company and their products very much, but I'm not going to rush out to ditch perfectly good gear just to get something that may be a marginal improvement at best.

[Jay Cunningham]

So who wants to buy my troy front and rear folding sights?

PM me with price...

[Iraqgunz]

Opportunist! :D


PM me with price...

[03humpalot]

I may have missed it but any word on an Armalite pattern 7.62 mag?

[KevinB]

I may have missed it but any word on an Armalite pattern 7.62 mag?

May I interest you in our new SR25 Carbine ;)

[NetJunkie]

May I interest you in our new SR25 Carbine ;)

Do you take trade-ins? :)

Friend is looking for a SR15. Have one in the back to sell?

[KevinB]

I'm a Mil/Gov guy. I know civilian side is pushing them (SR15E3's) out to dealers/distributors though.

[C4IGrant]

May I interest you in our new SR25 Carbine ;)



;)



C4

[Avenger29]

May I interest you in our new SR25 Carbine ;)

Yes, you may. I have an LMT M4gery, $500, and a soul to trade. :D

[KingsideRook]

Bad move IMHO. Even the guys at Magpul were saying they wouldn't choose their product over others if budget isn't a concern. Since you already have the Troys, I wouldn't go selling them just to get the "hot new thing".

I assume silliness like this will abound over the next couple of months as these products are released. People will go about selling perfectly good, or even better, products just to have the hot new item(s).

I like Magpul as a company and their products very much, but I'm not going to rush out to ditch perfectly good gear just to get something that may be a marginal improvement at best.

I even recall from last year's SHOT, the statement from a Magpul booth employee that if price was no object, to get the Troy sights. I have Troy sights on my primary rifle, and like them fine, but the ambi deployment and ability to fold if dropped is preferable, in my eyes. I have seen a "locked up" folding sight break, one from falling 6 feet from gun store shelf to concrete floor. After that, we kept the sights folded...I don't think it's a BIG deal, I still like the Troy sights better than anything else on the market today, but they MBUS bears testing.

I got a good, close-up look at a pair of this year's MBUS sights online, and there's more metal in them than I thought - the line diagram in the catalog doesn't make it as clear as a photo, I thought the clamp and front sight post were polymer, for starters, and they're clearly made of metal. As I said, I'm a polymer fan, and as long as attachment points are metal and the structural design is sound, the sight bodies could be made of wood as easily as polymer or steel. I see myself buying at least one set at launch, because I want to try them out, and it's unlikely that I'll lose money if I hate them.

[Abiqua]

I am just a glorified knuckle dragger so here it is FWIW.

1. Release to the .MIL first? WHo might that be and who knows if they will even be interested?

2. The .MIL/GOV is a slow moving machine and they could delay any new procurement or tests for a long time.

3. While they are waiting for the magical fairy godmother to show up they are losing valuable sales to civilians as well as the potential for the weapon to get more exposure which could in turn pique more interest than it would otherwise get.

4. Bushmaster still has problems making a good carbine/rifle so I personally do not have much faith in their ability to make this thing happen. YMMV.

I agree wholeheartedly with all your points, I'm just passing on what little info I can.

[Rider79]

Bad move IMHO. Even the guys at Magpul were saying they wouldn't choose their product over others if budget isn't a concern. Since you already have the Troys, I wouldn't go selling them just to get the "hot new thing".

I assume silliness like this will abound over the next couple of months as these products are released. People will go about selling perfectly good, or even better, products just to have the hot new item(s).

I like Magpul as a company and their products very much, but I'm not going to rush out to ditch perfectly good gear just to get something that may be a marginal improvement at best.

Exactly what I was thinking. My plan is to use the Magpul BUS for my lesser builds, the ones that I've pulled the Troys off of, and moved them to my new BCMs or LMT. I was thinking about grabbing the MI ERS BUIS, because of the price point, and I needed one in FDE, but I'll wait for the cheaper Magpul. I think either would work fine for one of my Tier 2 or 3 ARs.

But if someone's selling their Troys for the Magpuls, don't think I won't jump on it. :D

[ZDL]

regarding MBUS:

What's the fear here?

1. It's a buis.. the quality scale isn't THAT drastic

2. It's a buis.. First 2 words, backup, being key.

3. It's magpul.. Any company can produce turds but i that possibility is diminished with companies like colt, lmt, magpul, noveske

4. They're inexpensive

[Stickman]

MBUS is good stuff in my book (and I've broken Troy sights twice). I'll see how the extended long term testing goes for me, but so far I'm satisfied.



http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%20III/0O2P8231-1028-Stick.jpg

[Robb Jensen]

I'm diggin' the MBUS myself. ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/magpulsights001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/magpulsights003.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/magpulsights004.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/magpulsights006.jpg
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But by far the coolest thing I saw at SHOT was the video of me in the trailer for "The Art of the Tactical Carbine 2" playing at the Magpul booth! :D

[parishioner]

But by far the coolest thing I saw at SHOT was the video of me in the trailer for "The Art of the Tactical Carbine 2" playing at the Magpul booth! :D[/SIZE][/B]

No WAYYYY!!!!

I literally just bought the 1st set approximatley 4 hours ago.

O well. I guess ill have to add to the collection.

I honestly think if Magpul sold shit in a can people would buy it. Including myself :D since everything they put out is absolutely top shelf.

[Staind503]

Bad move IMHO. Even the guys at Magpul were saying they wouldn't choose their product over others if budget isn't a concern. Since you already have the Troys, I wouldn't go selling them just to get the "hot new thing".

I assume silliness like this will abound over the next couple of months as these products are released. People will go about selling perfectly good, or even better, products just to have the hot new item(s).

I like Magpul as a company and their products very much, but I'm not going to rush out to ditch perfectly good gear just to get something that may be a marginal improvement at best.

You bring up a very good point. So sorry guys not selling them.

[Rider79]

I'm diggin' the MBUS myself. ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/magpulsights001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/magpulsights003.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/magpulsights004.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/magpulsights006.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/magpulsights005.jpg


But by far the coolest thing I saw at SHOT was the video of me in the trailer for "The Art of the Tactical Carbine 2" playing at the Magpul booth! :D

just to hijack for a second, but is that a DD rail? Does that vltor light mount put the tailcap out far enough that if you mount it on the underside of an Omega rail in front of your VFG, you can hit it w/o bending your wrist at a funny angle? I'm running a tangodown quick release VFG, with the VTAC light mount and it's too short for my thumb to hit it properly.

[03humpalot]

May I interest you in our new SR25 Carbine ;)

Your an evil man, we may talk but i just got geared up for Cowboy Action Shooting(im i Redneck, figured **** it why fight it right:D). Prolly wont be buying anymore guns for at least another week;) or two.

[Robb Jensen]

just to hijack for a second, but is that a DD rail? Does that vltor light mount put the tailcap out far enough that if you mount it on the underside of an Omega rail in front of your VFG, you can hit it w/o bending your wrist at a funny angle? I'm running a tangodown quick release VFG, with the VTAC light mount and it's too short for my thumb to hit it properly.

I grip the gun very high on the side tail using the stubby grip as a handstop, I don't hold hit using the chicken-choker method. The rail is a 9.5FSP model Daniel Defense Lite Rail. It's a Colt 6920 upper and has a Primary Weapons piston conversion on it (gas block has a picatinny rail on top of it). The VLTOR light mount is attached to the gas block.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/magpulsights015.jpg
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[Rider79]

I grip the gun very high on the side tail using the stubby grip as a handstop, I don't hold it using the chicken-choker method. The rail is a 9.5FSP model Daniel Defense Lite Rail. It's a Colt 6920 upper and has a Primary Weapons piston conversion on it (gas block has a picatinny rail on top of it). The VLTOR light mount is attached to the gas block.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/magpulsights015.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/magpulsights008.jpg

Hmm, I don't think I could get used to that hold. I like using the VFG to pull the gun in tight, if I'm not using a VFG I grip the front of the magwell. That is a better shot of the light mount, I don't think it will put the light out far enough for what I'm trying to do. Anyway, back to the Magpul stuff. When are we going to be able to buy the MBUS?

[LonghunterCO]

Didn't DPMS come up with this lower design first, or was it KAC? I know all about the M110 but I thought it was DPMS who designed that magazine system. :confused:

:eek:. Armilite came out with the first AR-10 (the orgional compamy) in the 70's (or was it earlier). KAC came out with the SR-25 using a modernized version of the mags (orgional AR-10 mags will still work in the SR-25s). Armilite came out with theirs shortly thereafter (with mags based off of modified FAL mags). Then DPMS/Bushmaster/all the rest followed.

[5pins]

The Armalite mags a based off of the M-14 not the FAL

[LonghunterCO]

The Armalite mags a based off of the M-14 not the FAL
Thanks. Was the Bushmaster/RRA based off of the FAL then?

[Frens]

Thanks. Was the Bushmaster/RRA based off of the FAL then?

yes I think so

[RD62]

Hmm, I don't think I could get used to that hold. I like using the VFG to pull the gun in tight, if I'm not using a VFG I grip the front of the magwell. That is a better shot of the light mount, I don't think it will put the light out far enough for what I'm trying to do. Anyway, back to the Magpul stuff. When are we going to be able to buy the MBUS?

If I am following what you are wanting to do. You may wanna think about using the VLTOR mount inverted on the 3 O'clock rail. That should move the tail cap a little more starboard and up a tad. I think you would find that a fairly comfortable position.

Just my .02.

-RD62

[Iraqgunz]

Screw you guys, all your cool MBUS sights and little bitty toys. Dammit! :D

[subzero]

I grip the gun very high on the side tail using the stubby grip as a handstop, I don't hold hit using the chicken-choker method.

My grip and light placement have evolved to something very similar over the last few years. When I was on the "chicken choker" grip idea, the light was usually placed down around the 4 or 5 o'clock.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3323/3213963330_7de073fe01.jpg

As I brought my thumb around, the light went with it, but it was hard to hit.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3380/3213117193_87ef76efb1.jpg

After that the light moved to the 9, but now that my thumb wasn't wrapped around the rip, I could move the light even higher since that's where my thumb ended up.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3029/3090362692_170762228f.jpg

The grip went to a stubby since I didn't need the extra space. And it's more a hand stop than a grip now, but I'm still using it to pull back into my shoulder.

Sorry to stray off topic, but Rider79, if you shoot more and play with the light position to find what works best, I think you might end up really liking this light and grip setup.



Robb, wouldn't it be easier to hit that front sight if you flipped it around? Since your thumb is there already and everything.

[Shark]

Subzero,

What light mount is that?

Thanks

[subzero]

VTAC light mount in all 3 photos.

[Shark]

VTAC light mount in all 3 photos.

Thanks! Now that I've seen it mounted in various positions I'm probably going to get one. :cool:

[toxicbyte]

Are there plans for an FAL type P-Mag also? Any word on the release date of the P-Mag 20-LR?