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Anyone else in love with the Magpul ACS after playing around with it at SHOT (or whenever you first saw it)?
Magpul travel kit...
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%20III/0O2P0950-1028-Stick.jpg
Anyone else in love with the Magpul ACS after playing around with it at SHOT (or whenever you first saw it)?
Yes...very much so. I'm much more interested in the ACS than the MBUS or other new goodies (though the sling plate/sling is pretty slick).
SeriousStudent
01-21-09, 22:03
Now THAT is a travel kit! :D
"Sir, could you please place your lower receiver in the overhead luggage area? The pilot says we are heading for some turbulence, and has turned on the fasten seatbelt sign."
Wish I was there, but this one is definitely one that's worthy of being "fit to be tried"! ;)
I guess I could play the "order it fromt he distributor and see if it shows up before my OD UBR game...sigh...
I'm seriously considering getting one, as soon as my dealer gets in one for me to actually hold it.
I simply cannot afford an UBR, much as I would like to have one. The ACS looks like it would be perfect for me, at a good price point.
I'm also getting a set of their handguards and maybe the sling plate...and I'll get a rear MBUS sometime if I can scrape enough money for a nice Aimpoint...
I saw it at the Shot Show. I was going to put a CTR on my new build but may wait for the ACR now.
RogerinTPA
01-22-09, 07:44
The ACS looks like a great piece of functional kit. I'll get one as soon as they become available.:cool:
When can I get one or two of them?
Magul ACS with new optional pad.
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%20III/0O2P0980-A-1028-Stick.jpg
I hope this doesn't turn into a UBR-style release. It would be fan-freaking-tastic if the ACS and UBR could actually be, available.
I hope this doesn't turn into a UBR-style release. It would be fan-freaking-tastic if the ACS and UBR could actually be, available.
The ACS is much easier to make, think more along the lines of the CTR from what I can tell. I think they will be shipping in much larger amounts.
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%20III/IMG_7918%20A%201028%20Stick.jpg
Soulrack223
01-26-09, 22:41
I hope it ships in large amounts. I really want one. An MBUS too.
Does it pull facial hair?
-B
Razorhunter
01-26-09, 23:48
Yup, that's the FIRST thing I thought about when I just saw that stock. "Does it pull facial hair, when you put your cheek on that seam, which runs along the entire length of the stock???"
I sure hope not, but I've never found a stock with seams like that, which did not pull facial hair. Only time will tell I guess. I will cross my fingers.
I swear, that stock looks exactly like a mixture between an LMT SOPMOD, VLTOR Emod, CTR, AND UBR, ALL in one! It looks freaking GREAT, although I would have done without the seam, as LMT did with the SOPMOD.
Oh well, does anyone know if the VLTOR stocks pull hair along their zig-zag-like seam over the battery compartments???
Who can tell me what Micro Aimpoint mount that is? Is that an ADM? Why does it say "SOCOM"? Anything to do with the height at which it mounts the optic? Does that mount in Sticks pic cowitness with a regular F marked FSB, or does it only cowitness with the BUIS?? As much as I like Larue, I just think the Larue micro Aimopoint mount for lower 1/3 cowitness looks kind of odd, with just a smooth, plain-jane solid look to it. That mount up above looks much better, with the simple little differences it has.
Thanks.
That indeed looks like an ADM micro mount, the "SOCOM" designates a lower 1/3 co-witness
It didn't pull my beard hair as I lovingly nuzzled the ACS stock at SHOT, but that's just sample size: 1 in pretty non-standard conditions (well -- on this forum, at least. I can think of others where that's it's #1 use :eek: ). If you liked the stock otherwise but had some barber issues with the stock, I bet 5 minutes with a bead of silicone or glue or something smoothed into that crack would solve the problem. Or a strip of tape, even.
I used to hear a lot of complaints about the Vltor's grabbing hairs, but never had one to comment first hand.
Experiencing some mission creep, but here ya go:
Who can tell me what Micro Aimpoint mount that is? Is that an ADM? Why does it say "SOCOM"? Anything to do with the height at which it mounts the optic? Does that mount in Sticks pic cowitness with a regular F marked FSB, or does it only cowitness with the BUIS?? As much as I like Larue, I just think the Larue micro Aimopoint mount for lower 1/3 cowitness looks kind of odd, with just a smooth, plain-jane solid look to it. That mount up above looks much better, with the simple little differences it has.
Thanks.
Yes it's an ADM. Yes the "SOCOM" moniker refers to the height of the mount. "CO" for absolute cowitness and "SOCOM" for lower 1/3. Yes it would cowitness with either the BUIS or a standard FSB (think about it -- you'd use the same rear BUIS for a front flip or standard FSB, the line of sight is the same height over bore either way). ADM's site (http://www.americandefensemfg.com/) has more details if you'd like.
Razorhunter
01-27-09, 06:33
Yes, you are correct, I wasn't thinking about the height, that late last night. I tend to forget BUIS are all the same height. They are just added weight to me, and I no longer use them on all my rifles.
Thanks for info. Don't think I'll be running silicone or glue down the seams of any of my stocks, but I'm sure some folks would gladly do so!
Failure2Stop
01-27-09, 06:34
Anybody have any measurements/weight of the ACS in comparison to standard M4, UBR, SOPMOD, CTR, EMOD, and/or A1 stock?
FWIW, I've been using Vltor stocks for several years and never had the "seam" pull my beard. What pulls is the junction between the stock and the receiver extension, and that happens with Vltor, Emod, CTR, MOE, and the GI stock, and it has even happened with my AK in the junction between the stock and the receiver.
I have handled the ACS and it did not pull at facial hair. I would like it better if they would have just added the tubes to the CTR profile. I can live with out the club foot and little door. But over all very good level of fit and finish like all of Magpuls gear.
FWIW, I've been using Vltor stocks for several years and never had the "seam" pull my beard. What pulls is the junction between the stock and the receiver extension
Same here. I use the Spec Ops recon wrap as a neck gaitor. It can be pulled up over your cheeks to cover facial hair while you shoot, and dropped back down around the neck while you're waiting for the next stage or whatever.
Anybody have any measurements/weight of the ACS in comparison to standard M4, UBR, SOPMOD, CTR, EMOD, and/or A1 stock?
CTR- .57lbs
ACS- .75lbs
UBR- 1.25lbs
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%20III/IMG_8149%201028%20Stick.jpg
How about you all just shave?
G34Shooter
02-12-09, 21:50
Is the ACS the same closed length as the CTR?
Sweat Jesus just make them available already!
I'm ready for at least two.
Outlander Systems
03-01-09, 08:00
ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHH!
Vehr ahr you, ACS!?
Army Chief
03-01-09, 08:33
I've seen him post one or two -- perhaps at WEVO. Same profile, but no door or removeable plate.
AC
Sweat Jesus just make them available already!
I'm ready for at least two.
:D hear, hear!
I second that!!!!!!! Maybe if we begged!!!!!!
What can be stored behind the door? AA's? Bolt? Parts kit?
-Mike
Army Chief
03-02-09, 00:19
Personally, I like the idea of a bore snake ... but that's just me. :)
AC
Stick,
Why don't you ever post pics of the left side of the ACS???
NB
I have, here is another....
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%20III/IMG_7899%20A%201028%20Stick.jpg
Personally, I like the idea of a bore snake ... but that's just me. :)
AC
I keep mine in my MIAD
The ACS is much easier to make, think more along the lines of the CTR from what I can tell. I think they will be shipping in much larger amounts.
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%20III/IMG_7918%20A%201028%20Stick.jpg
Which suppressor adapter/flash hider is that?
I have, here is another....
Thanks, Stick!
I already have one on pre-order and it looks like I may need at least a second or third ACS stock. Dammit Stick, stop taking pics please!?! LOL!
Which suppressor adapter/flash hider is that?
AAC M4/SPR
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/AAC/IMG_7954%201028%20stick.jpg
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%20III/IMG_8149%201028%20Stick.jpg
I want to know more about the shot gun thingy the ACS is on. Who,what, where to get one.
I want to know more about the shot gun thingy the ACS is on. Who,what, where to get one.
I should point out that its not my shotgun, it belongs to a fellow Officer, and damn good guy who loaned it to me to help out with pictures. Its the same one shown on page 25 of the 2009 Magpul catalog.
Dr Drake has a sexy shotgun that I need to get ahold of one of these days. Its wearing a UBR, but would look good with the ACS also.
SeriousStudent
03-02-09, 22:27
I believe that stock mount comes from Mesa Tactical.
http://www.mesatactical.com/index.php?id=55
I have several items from them. They are very well made. Not cheap, but quality is worth what you pay for it.
Army Chief
03-09-09, 13:03
... its the same one shown on page 25 of the 2009 Magpul catalog.
Which begs the question, is this in print or something? I don't see it on the web site yet, and while I've seen a .pdf excerpt or two, I can't seem to find a 2009 catalog as such anywhere.
AC
Which begs the question, is this in print or something? I don't see it on the web site yet, and while I've seen a .pdf excerpt or two, I can't seem to find a 2009 catalog as such anywhere.
AC
It is, and I just gave my last one away, which means no more catalog info from me until I get a few more in.
Stick, Any idea were we can obtain one of these catalogs?
Razorhunter
03-09-09, 19:22
I gotta say the ACS is sexy, but damn if it doesn't need a more useable sling webbing slot location.
Not sure how that 1.25" slot on the underside of the stock could be used for?
Wish they had offered a CTR-like sling webbing slot, (parallel to buttpad) which actually lends itself to being used for a sling hookup point.
Are there any updates on when the ACS will become available?
Are there any updates on when the ACS will become available?
I'm also interested if there are any release dates, esp for the FDE version.
I'm also interested if there are any release dates, esp for the FDE version.
I don't think this will be different than any other Magpul product as of late. No release date, it comes out when it comes out.
I doubt we will see any updates until they are shipping, have arrived at dealers, or possibly when they are getting ready to ship.
Each time Magpul gives a release timeline, people complain, even when its released on time people are complaining that they can't get them, and .
Just another person waiting patiently for the ACS to come out.
Since the style of it looks like it is going to fall between the CTR and the UBR, I wonder if the price will follow that as well. That could be anywhere from $100 to $200 though. I'll keep my fingers crossed for the lower end of the scale but who am I really kidding, I'll buy it even if it is $200 :o
Razorhunter
05-18-09, 14:01
Yeah, well don't be surprised if it's OVER $200, and actually, the ACS is more along the lines of a CTR and an LMT SOPMOD stock, rather than a UBR.
I too will wait patiently for the ACS, that is, IF I decide that I can live without a much needed VERTICAL sling webbing slot, ala the CTR/etc. (WHY wouldn't they give us one btw?? :( )
However, I just hope this thing doesn't turn out like the UBR, where guys eventually just lost interest.
BTW, do we have a WEIGHT on the ACS stock yet?
Actually guys the ACS was listed at I think about $135 in the SHOT catalog. Subject to change of course but the pricing on MBUS and the slings has been consistent with what I remember from SHOT.
BTW, do we have a WEIGHT on the ACS stock yet?
from Stickman earlier:
CTR- .57lbs
ACS- .75lbs
UBR- 1.25lbs
Razorhunter
05-18-09, 14:26
Hey, that's kickin bro. I certainly don't mind eating some major crow if that ends up being the case.
I must admit, I was pleasantly surprised with the MBUS and the sling pricing as well... Good point, and thanks for that bit of info...
Brownell's gave me a date of July for the FDE. Cost is $134.
Yeah, well don't be surprised if it's OVER $200, and actually, the ACS is more along the lines of a CTR and an LMT SOPMOD stock, rather than a UBR.
Yea, I meant more like it will be an inbetween in Magpul's lineup, something to separate the CTR and the UBR.
$135 would be a great price. Sign me right up for a black one :p
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%20III/0O2P8838%201028%20Stick.jpg
Outlander Systems
05-25-09, 10:55
If the July thing is true, I'm stoked.
My secondary blaster is itchin' for a stock.
Still, "patiently" waiting! :(
At least I received my MS2 Sand Camo Sling and just ordered AOTTC2 & ASAP Sling plate.
Razorhunter
05-28-09, 21:57
What the hell does AOTTC2 stand for anyhow? Yes, I know it's the new VID, but what's it stand for???
spamsammich
05-28-09, 22:03
You have seen the first one right? It stands for the same thing the first AOTTC stood for.
Art of the tactical carbine. Tough day at work today?
What the hell does AOTTC2 stand for anyhow? Yes, I know it's the new VID, but what's it stand for???
Not meaning to go OT, but... AOTTC2 (https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=28804)
Yeah, we tend to go overboard with acronyms, etc. :D
Black Blade
06-06-09, 18:20
Where in God's name is this thing?
The same place where the magpul billet lowers, bad levers, rubber moe grip, and unicorns are kept
Where in God's name is this thing?
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%20III/0O2P9987-1024-Stick.jpg
Ga Shooter
06-08-09, 10:09
Where is mine? I would be willing to put 2 on some rifles and "test" them for Magpul. I will even pay S&H so they won't be out that money!LOL:p
anybody see them in stock yet?
I should get one next week. :)
I have to say I'd really like to pick a couple of these ACS up, but I also really like the HK stock and it seems very similar in design. (as far as cheek weld)
http://us.hkwebshop.com/media/Webshop/Accessoires/HKE1Buttstock.jpg
anybody see them in stock yet?
The ACS Stocks have been released for retail sales. :)
Ga Shooter
08-12-09, 21:12
Who has them? I just checked MAgpul website, G&R Tactical, and Bravo Co. no has them on their websites yet. How much are they?
SPARTAN HOPLITE ARMS
08-12-09, 22:25
I've been searching for days now and no one seems to have them in stock. Prices vary from 116 to 120+. I'd love to get one but it's impossible to find.
Advanced Tactical Solutions is selling them on GunBroker for the retail price of $135.00.
I've been searching for days now and no one seems to have them in stock. Prices vary from 116 to 120+. I'd love to get one but it's impossible to find.
They were just released yesterday, and prices are around $130. It sounds like you were finding places that never had them in stock, and have been listing them for months anyway.
Outlander Systems
08-13-09, 09:40
Stick:
http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=137157051
These dudes are using your pics, bro.
Stick:
http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=137157051
These dudes are using your pics, bro.
100% WITHOUT permission.
Outlander Systems
08-13-09, 10:00
Classy.
I google'd "+Magpul +ACS +Stock" and shopped around. Immediately thought, "No. F'in. Way...."
Littlelebowski
08-13-09, 11:01
100% WITHOUT permission.
Go get'em, Stick!
Ga Shooter
08-13-09, 12:07
I can feel an ass kicking coming on!
"It's not the burn of my bullet, the sting of my blade, but the grip of my Attorney's "writ" on your wallet, that will drain the life from you..." -Zeus-
Razorhunter
08-13-09, 15:56
Man I sure wish I could find one in stock myself.
Black, or FDE would be fine with me...
Razorhunter
08-13-09, 17:10
Ok guys, well I take that last post back.
Although sorry ass Google didn't turn up a damn thing, nor did Brownells, however, a last minute search on MidwayUSA's site DID turn up the Milspec ACS stock in black!
I called just to make sure, and they said they had a total of FOUR in stock, so now it's official, and they only have THREE left.
Get one if you want one guys.
Price was $135.49 TMD... (something like $7.49 for USPS Priority)
Here's a link to make it easy...
http://www.midwayusa.com/Search/Default.aspx#magpul%20acs____-_1-2-4_8-16-32
SeriousStudent
08-13-09, 19:03
I can feel an ass kicking coming on!
In the words of Chris Rock, "If the police have to come get you, they're gonna bring an ass whippin' with 'em!" :D
Sometimes a hickory shampoo is indeed called for.......
I've been searching for days now and no one seems to have them in stock. Prices vary from 116 to 120+. I'd love to get one but it's impossible to find.
Rainier Arms appears to have them, as well as Dallas Shooting Supplies (https://www.dallasshootingsupplies.com/p/204/magpul-acs-milspec-stock-black)
Razorhunter
08-14-09, 15:25
Brownells just listed them too, but they are $134.99.
I swear, Brownells high pricing has really turned me off in recent times...
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=27553/Product/AR_15_M16_ACS_trade__BUTTSTOCK?mc_ID=3028
Ga Shooter
08-14-09, 15:42
GRANT HAS THEM !!!
http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=ACS
:D
So yeah I caved, sold my LMT SOPMOD and snagged one of these, should have it tuesday. What can I say, I'm of weak will.
Brownells just listed them too, but they are $134.99.
I swear, Brownells high pricing has really turned me off in recent times...
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=27553/Product/AR_15_M16_ACS_trade__BUTTSTOCK?mc_ID=3028
That is list price. What do you expect for a hot new item that just came out... And Brownells always seems to sell at MSRP
spamsammich
08-14-09, 16:06
Ordered mine at 10am Pacific and just got the shipping notice. Thank you Bravo Company!
Razorhunter
08-14-09, 17:02
That is list price. What do you expect for a hot new item that just came out... And Brownells always seems to sell at MSRP
I guess I would expect Brownells to at least sell for the same price as MidwayUSA, since they are their main competition.
It has been mentioned that many sites have them listed at $116-$128, but that might not turn out to be true. Midway sure does, and as for the others, we will see.
$134 for the ACS stock, is still a decent deal, and the Brownells comment really wasn't in regards to the ACS alone, but rather, all other parts. The only item I really purchase from Brownells on a regular basis, are their USGI mags, which are a decent deal for the quality. However, all other items I buy, usually get purchased elsewhere, for the sole reason of Brownells higher prices.
You said it yourself, Brownells always sells at MSRP, and that is why so many people go to Midway/etc first, and use Brownells only as a last resort, when a needed part/item can't be had elsewhere. I'm not usually a cheapskate, but when a company is consistently more expensive than most others, my business must go elsewhere. The only exception is if a dealer is in my home state/local area, where shipping would be the determining factor. Simple economics.
CleverNickname
08-14-09, 17:06
Brownells' dealer price is $112 and it's stupid easy to get the dealer discount.
snakedoctor
08-14-09, 17:11
looks like the ones that came out dont have the QD sling swivel cup. Whats up with that Magpul?
Ga Shooter
08-14-09, 17:11
The way I look at it is this: If Magpul makes it and Stickman recommends it it is worth the price!!!
Razorhunter
08-14-09, 17:15
Well damn,
I had no idea BravoCompany had them.
I see them on their site, but when I first checked, they weren't (and still aren't) listed on their "NEW ARRIVALS, JUST IN" page.
I thought ALL new products got listed on that page on BCM's website.
Anyone else notice this? I liked that page so much, since it was easy to see what all was new at BCM, but now it seems I might be missing out on items at BCM, if I solely use the NEW ARRIVALS page as a reference.
I wonder if that was just a fluke, or if it happens with other products as well?
If you qualify for the discount with Brownells, nobody beats their price. If you are Mil/LE, call them and let them know. You may have to fax something to prove it, but the discount is well worth your time and effort.
I guess I would expect Brownells to at least sell for the same price as MidwayUSA, since they are their main competition.
It has been mentioned that many sites have them listed at $116-$128, but that might not turn out to be true. Midway sure does, and as for the others, we will see.
$134 for the ACS stock, is still a decent deal, and the Brownells comment really wasn't in regards to the ACS alone, but rather, all other parts. The only item I really purchase from Brownells on a regular basis, are their USGI mags, which are a decent deal for the quality. However, all other items I buy, usually get purchased elsewhere, for the sole reason of Brownells higher prices.
You said it yourself, Brownells always sells at MSRP, and that is why so many people go to Midway/etc first, and use Brownells only as a last resort, when a needed part/item can't be had elsewhere. I'm not usually a cheapskate, but when a company is consistently more expensive than most others, my business must go elsewhere. The only exception is if a dealer is in my home state/local area, where shipping would be the determining factor. Simple economics.
MAP on this is $128.20 (which is amazingly the same price as Midway). Authorized Magpul dealers won't list it for less than that. Those that do are sourcing them from somewhere else.
Just FYI
Razorhunter
08-14-09, 18:29
looks like the ones that came out dont have the QD sling swivel cup. Whats up with that Magpul?
Holy SCHMOKES!
This is most disappointing. Admittedely, I prefer to NOT use a QD swivel, but since they omitted my preferred sling hookup slot, ala parallel to the buttpad (and right up next to the buttpad on the CTR), then I must look into this.
I was planning on running a QD swivel on mine, and I purchased my ACS from Midway the other day, based on the pics Stickman had posted.
Midway didn't have a pic up yet, so I bought it without seeing an updated pic.
This is most disturbing. Maybe this will still work out somehow. Not sure.
Must ask Magpul soon. Hopefully BCM's website pic is just a fluke or something? Doubt it, but hoping...
I just pulled the trigger on one as well. Looks like the SOPMOD is going up on the auction block.
I just pulled the trigger on one as well. Looks like the SOPMOD is going up on the auction block.
Release of the ACS kept me from buying a SOPMOD...still collecting parts for my first build! The money I saved bought me a receiver extension, buffer, spring, and associated goodies. :D
Holy SCHMOKES!
This is most disappointing.
I don't know, I would rather not pay an extra $20 for something I won't use. I know that we are all used to seeing the ACS with the QD installed, and that is my fault, but I would rather see the price down lower.
I think we all appreciate seeing your photos, whether the final product varies isn't such a big deal. I'm really looking forward t testing out the cheek weld. :)
Razorhunter
08-16-09, 10:10
I'm still totally pumped about the ACS, don't get me wrong. It's going to be a winner for sure.
I'm just wondering where you attach your sling Stickman? What are you doing for a sling?
If you are not attaching your sling to the ACS (and are possibly running an ASAP, or other setup where the sling attaches near the castle nut/etc), then let me ask you HOW WOULD you attach your sling to the ACS, IF you were going to do so?
A lot of us have also been wanting to ask you just HOW does the QD swivel port attach/detach from the ACS stock? Does it somehow screw on? Press fit in? Etc?
As always, thanks Stick...
This is how I attach my sling:
http://coracing.net/gallery/d/12448-1/IMG_1329.JPG
So for me I prefer saving the $20 too and will be selling a LMT SOPMOD stock w/the QD point and a QD sling attachment ring as soon as my ACS shows up. Nothing like making money to upgrade.
Cascades236
08-16-09, 16:40
Does the ring on the ASAP rattle at all?
Does the ring on the ASAP rattle at all?
Not with a sling attached. And for what ever reason you don't have a sling attached, You can high-grip the pistol grip and kinda hold on to the link at the same time. Plus the noise of gunfire tends to drown out any link rattling:D.
ACS with LE discount on Brownell's makes cost $113.00 before shipping....... Sold out in ONE day!:mad:
ACS with LE discount on Brownell's makes cost $113.00 before shipping....... Sold out in ONE day!:mad:
That's why I just jumped on it for like $15 more at Rainier because who knows when anyone will get anymore in stock. Could be weeks/months and the extra $15 I spent saves me weeks possibly months then it's money well spent. Plus Rainier uses USPS Priority to ship and I use a vendor that offers that shipment whenever I get the chance because I ship daily and have had far better luck and it's quicker/cheaper plus free Saturday delivery. I sound like I commercial but those are the reasons I ordered from Rainier Arms in case anyone cares. :D
Does the ring on the ASAP rattle at all?
Not that I notice. Little noises like that don't really bother me though when I'm using it so I don't really pay much attention.
Rainier is 2 hours up the road from me, so I use them whenever possible, great retailer. In fact the only thing possibly BAD about them is that they have stuff shipped out so fast, so you better be on your A game because if you need to cancel an order or change it you gotta do so FAST because it's usually out the door 15 minutes later.
As for the ASAP ring, I remember people complaining about the possible noise, and Travis' response was "Wow there must be a lot of secret squirrels on AR15.com"
Rainier is 2 hours up the road from me, so I use them whenever possible, great retailer. In fact the only thing possibly BAD about them is that they have stuff shipped out so fast, so you better be on your A game because if you need to cancel an order or change it you gotta do so FAST because it's usually out the door 15 minutes later.
Yeah, it's already en route and looks like it will most likely arrive the day after tomorrow. Gotta love Priority!
As for the ASAP ring, I remember people complaining about the possible noise, and Travis' response was "Wow there must be a lot of secret squirrels on AR15.com"
No doubt. I go about 285 so I don't too much sneaking around. :p
I'm still totally pumped about the ACS, don't get me wrong. It's going to be a winner for sure.
I'm just wondering where you attach your sling Stickman? What are you doing for a sling?
If you are not attaching your sling to the ACS (and are possibly running an ASAP, or other setup where the sling attaches near the castle nut/etc), then let me ask you HOW WOULD you attach your sling to the ACS, IF you were going to do so?
A lot of us have also been wanting to ask you just HOW does the QD swivel port attach/detach from the ACS stock? Does it somehow screw on? Press fit in? Etc?
As always, thanks Stick...
with a Midwest Industries MCTAR-TS2 of course, although that will require drilling into the ACS :eek:, and a CQD sling mount on the front rail
http://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=96
Two QD sling swivel cups and a screw shouldn't cost $20 extra.... Just saying. :)
http://www.sinclairintl.com/product/11702/Sling-Swivels-Accessories
Picture of the QD cup part:
http://www.grovtec.com/images/products/large/GTSW-06.jpg
Two QD sling swivel cups and a screw shouldn't cost $20 extra.... Just saying. :)
http://www.sinclairintl.com/product/11702/Sling-Swivels-Accessories
Picture of the QD cup part:
http://www.grovtec.com/images/products/large/GTSW-06.jpg
There are other costs besides the component cost. Labor to install etc. I don't know how that works out in the spreadsheets of markups, "real" labor costs, etc.
Just sayin'...
besides, real men use receiver end plate receptacles... ;)
I bought an ACS allready so I do like the thing despite this.
But still - every other fancy SOPMOD type slanted cheekweld stock has the QD built in now - heck most have it embedded into the plastic so I don't get why magpul didn't include it in the design 100%. Seems like an odd product design choice. At least the cups will screw in with magpul branded bolts. heh :)
I bought an ACS allready so I do like the thing despite this.
But still - every other fancy SOPMOD type slanted cheekweld stock has the QD built in now - heck most have it embedded into the plastic so I don't get why magpul didn't include it in the design 100%. Seems like an odd product design choice. At least the cups will screw in with magpul branded bolts. heh :)
Means if people want their ACS stock they need another rear mount option. Hey, while I'm ordering stuff from Magpul might as well pay another $30 for their ASAP plate, right?
Just a thought. :cool:
But still - every other fancy SOPMOD type slanted cheekweld stock has the QD built in now - heck most have it embedded into the plastic so I don't get why magpul didn't include it in the design 100%.
There are a lot of gullible people on the internet, but I don't think anyone here buys into the idea that something is included for no cost. The QD is included on other stocks, and you are also charged for it. I've got no problem with that, its a judgment call for each company on what they should include, along with how they should package an item.
I understand your point, but there is a flip side. If most customers aren't going to use something, why include it?
There are other costs besides the component cost. Labor to install etc. I don't know how that works out in the spreadsheets of markups, "real" labor costs, etc.
Just sayin'...
besides, real men use receiver end plate receptacles... ;)
There is also an assumption that is the same part Magpul is using. If that were true, it would have been released when the stock was...... wouldn't that make sense? Who knows, maybe I'm wrong.... I've only had an ACS for 9 months and carry it daily. I could still be overlooking things. :D
I'm just wondering where you attach your sling Stickman? What are you doing for a sling?
If you are not attaching your sling to the ACS (and are possibly running an ASAP, or other setup where the sling attaches near the castle nut/etc), then let me ask you HOW WOULD you attach your sling to the ACS, IF you were going to do so?
A lot of us have also been wanting to ask you just HOW does the QD swivel port attach/detach from the ACS stock? Does it somehow screw on? Press fit in? Etc?
As always, thanks Stick...
The sling on my duty weapon is mounted to the Noveske QD endplate that came on my Noveske weapon. On my training and other weapons, I also use the Magpul ASAP with good results. I would have no issues using the ASAP plate for duty use.
I'm a fan of using a receiver endplate for mounting the sling, it allows the stock to be changed longer or shorter without altering the sling length.
If for some reason I couldn't use an endplate, I would use the QD socket, but that would not be my personal choice, nor is it what I recommend when I'm teaching courses. I'm a big believer that you should be able to adapt to designs as needed, and its not like the sling mount is a terrible option. Its simply not what I prefer. However, it is very simple to use, install, and remove. That can make it a great option for guys who have one sling that they share between a handful of different weapons.
The QD socket should install the same way as it does on the UBR. Male and female threads locking the QD mount into position.
If I missed something let me know. :)
besides, real men use receiver end plate receptacles... ;)
This.
And I have a Noveske QD receiver plate for my AR too. I just like having options while I figure out what I like. :)
snakedoctor
08-17-09, 17:32
got my stock in. surprised to find 3 dummy rounds in the stock compartment. i put 3 CR123 batteries in the tubes and didnt like how they rattle around inside. other than that the stock is awesome. really surprised to see how much longer than the CTR though :D
got my stock in. surprised to find 3 dummy rounds in the stock compartment. i put 3 CR123 battery tubes and didnt like how they rattle around inside. other than that the stock it awesome. surprised to see how much longer than the CTR though :D
That's pretty cool about the dummy rounds.
I also hate how C123's rattle around (for those who asked about the ASAP plate... this is MUCH worse) in the battery tubes on my LMT SOPMOD and this looks about the same so that's what I figured it would be like. I need to cut up some foam pieces to hold everything solid I guess. It hasn't bothered me enough to want to do anything about it yet but it is annoying.
In the words of the Beastie Boys, ch-check it out!
http://lawndartdesign.com/guns/ACS.jpg
Outlander Systems
08-17-09, 20:41
In the words of the Beastie Boys, ch-check it out!
http://lawndartdesign.com/guns/ACS.jpg
Someone sold their SOPMOD...
;)
I know...I know, I even admitted it.
Now the debate, magpul MOE trigger guard or the metal one.
NICE SET UP! I was lucky enough to get two from Brownell's on the first day, and just got conformation that my MS2 in coyote tan shipped at well!!!! Lucky ME!
Ga Shooter
08-17-09, 21:32
Nice rifle but quoting The Beastie Boys????
I'm personally glad they don't have the QD standard. I don't plan on using one with my ACS and I just as soon not have the extra weight or pay the extra cost to have it standard.
Someone sold their SOPMOD...
;)
Haha... that is SO much like mine. Is that a 12" upper?
Jer, referring to mine? 16" barrel, but I think it's a 10" rail if I'm not mistaken.
Just need an ambi selector, moe trigger guard, and it's done. Oh and a *cough* BAD lever.
Jer, referring to mine? 16" barrel, but I think it's a 10" rail if I'm not mistaken.
Just need an ambi selector, moe trigger guard, and it's done. Oh and a *cough* BAD lever.
Sorry in advance for the thread jacking.
Here's my AR15 as it sits in the safe (Taken before ACS/SOPMOD swap):
http://coracing.net/gallery/d/12442-1/IMG_1328.JPG
Now, here's the upper that's going on it as soon as my Form 1 stamp comes back (12") and it will go onto the lower pictured above:
http://coracing.net/gallery/d/12605-1/LMTMRPUpper.jpg
Now you see what I'm saying about similarities. :cool:
Edit: Now that I look at them side by side they aren't quite the twins I was thinking. lol
Very happy the ACS is finally out. Now another waiting period for one in FDE! :(
For those with a rattling issue, put foam earplugs in the tubes behind the batteries, and put enough in so that the batteries compress them when you put the caps on. No rattle, no "cutting up foam", and you have spare ear plugs if you ever need them.
For those with a rattling issue, put foam earplugs in the tubes behind the batteries, and put enough in so that the batteries compress them when you put the caps on. No rattle, no "cutting up foam", and you have spare ear plugs if you ever need them.
Now that is a great idea! So simple I don't know why I never thought of it. Thanks Rob
ACS in FDE just ordered! Web sez "in-stock" so we'll see...:)
Now just need to get the BAD! :eek:
Found them
http://westernsportonline.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=32&products_id=89&zenid=5a29c4c62617f21f8001879e6c4edfd3
http://midwestpx.com/product_info.php?products_id=331
I have ordered from western sport before, but not midwest. I just processed this order with midwestpx.
Please note that Western has FDE UBRs in stock as well!
Found them
http://westernsportonline.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=32&products_id=89&zenid=5a29c4c62617f21f8001879e6c4edfd3
http://midwestpx.com/product_info.php?products_id=331
I have ordered from western sport before, but not midwest. I just processed this order with midwestpx.
Please note that Western has FDE UBRs in stock as well!
Sorry, yeah they are from Western Sport. (just now getting a chance to log on.)
They have 1 more in FDE, and several in Black.
Plenty of UBRs in FDE and Black, too!
Just no BADs in stock.
You talked to people on the phone who said they had the FDE ACS in stock at that moment? Thats great, make sure you post pictures when it arrives. :)
I didn't call to talk to them, I'm hoping they wouldn't post inventory they don't have!
Is there some secret squirrel release date that we should know about stick??? :)
You talked to people on the phone who said they had the FDE ACS in stock at that moment? Thats great, make sure you post pictures when it arrives. :)
Spoke with Justin at Western Sport and says they are in limited supply and he'll be shipping mine today. So, unless he's BS'ing I should have it soon and yes I will post pics!
http://westernsportonline.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=32&products_id=89
BTW, they have a bunch of UBRs in FDE if anyone is interested. I might have gotten one of those had they been available earlier in the year.
The SOPMOD is going on my LR308. :cool:
ryanm,
Me? How would I know anything, I'm just a beat cop.
A beat cop who manages to get a preview of nearly every piece of high-speed gear weeks, months and years before it hits the market!
:cool:
:)
A beat cop who manages to get a preview of nearly every piece of high-speed gear weeks, months and years before it hits the market!
:cool:
:)
You must have me confused with some other cop..... :D
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%204/IMG_2850-A-1028-Stick.jpg
whiterabbit05
10-21-09, 12:15
Finally, a decent picture of an FDE one.
Ordering me one this weekend!
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