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30 cal slut
02-10-09, 13:12
should be no surprise, but when this story is stickied on my bloomberg news headline filters (the news and market data service - not the asshole NYC mayor who owns it), people are paying attention.




orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orl-bullets1009feb10,0,2201778.story

OrlandoSentinel.com
Gun dealers experiencing shortages of bullets
Henry Pierson Curtis

Sentinel Staff Writer

February 10, 2009

Selling bullets may be the most secure job in Florida as long as supplies last.

After months of heavy buying, gun dealers across the state are experiencing shortages.

Some say it began with the election of President Barack Obama. Others say it's about the economic downturn or fear of crime. Whatever the reasons, ammunition has been selling like plywood and bottled water in the days before a hurricane.

"The survivalist in all of us comes out," said John Ritz, manager of East Orange Shooting Sports in Winter Park. "It's more about protecting what you have."

Demand for bullets is so strong that suppliers are restricting deliveries.

"Where we used to get 20 to 30 cases [in a shipment], we may get two to three cases now," said Vic Grechniw of Florida Ammo Traders in Tampa. "The supply just isn't there. . . . Everybody is pretty much rushing out to get their hands on whatever they can."

Most in demand is handgun ammunition, including 9 mm and .45-caliber for semiautomatic pistols and .38-caliber for revolvers. Clerks at local Walmart stores, including Apopka and Kissimmee, say those sizes, along with .22-caliber, are on back order at the chain's warehouses.

American gun owners buy about 7 billion rounds of ammunition yearly, according to the National Rifle Association. It has been warning its several million members that Obama favors raising taxes on bullets to make them prohibitively expensive.

"Anecdotal evidence certainly suggests that the demand for ammunition is continuing to increase, and that is certainly attributable to gun owners' concerns with the current administration," said Ted Novin, a spokesman for the National Shooting Sports Foundation, a trade association representing 4,700 members.

The scarcity of bullets piggybacked on more widely publicized sales of assault rifles.

"Everybody kind of got caught with their pants down," Larry Anderson, manager of Shoot Straight in Apopka, said about the demand for bullets, which surprised even longtime gun dealers.

Each day he spends one to two hours on the phone talking to suppliers to buy ammunition for Shoot Straight's store and shooting ranges in Apopka, Casselberry and Tampa.

"We're fortunate with the buying power we've got and the connections we've got," Anderson said.

Despite being able to buy 100,000 rounds at a time, Shoot Straight can't find any copper-jacketed bullets for .380-caliber pistols, popular as concealed weapons. The shops have adequate supplies of other calibers.

"You've got to beat the bushes and take deals," Anderson said. "Now I take whatever I can get instead of being finicky."

National chains are seeing the same increased levels of customers buying guns and ammunition in recent months, said Larry L. Whiteley, a spokesman for Bass Pro Shops.

"Why, we don't know," he said.

One major regional manufacturer, Georgia Arms, has seen bullet sales jump 100 percent since the November election.

"People are just stockpiling," said company spokeswoman Judy Shipley. "A gun is just like a car. If you can't get gas, you can't use it."

Georgia Arms sells more than 100 types of ammunition for handguns, shotguns and rifles at gun shows from South Florida as far north as Virginia. It now cautions online buyers, "Attention: Due to a huge increase in demand, our shipping times have been delayed 5-7 weeks on most orders. Please be patient with us and know we will fill your orders ASAP."

Demand has been so strong for all things gun that the Oak Ridge Gun Range south of Orlando is moving to a new, larger range in three weeks.

"It used to be you'd order bullets and get them in the next day. Now it can take a couple of months," said owner John Harvey, who has seen demand for state concealed-weapons classes increase 300 percent since the election.

"I haven't been able to get any smaller concealed guns that I'd recommend come in in two months," Harvey said. "Basically, Smith & Wesson is out of Smith & Wesson."

The latest surge is pushing already high costs still higher.

"It was going up long before the political thing got started," Drew Huy, owner since 1981 of Ammo Attic in Melbourne, said of prices that have increased as much as 40 percent in recent years.

He and other dealers, including Ritz, attributed rising costs to shortages of brass, copper and lead brought on by the industrial consumption in India and China. In addition, rising fuel prices dramatically increased shipping costs for ammunition, heavy by nature.

"I'm spending a lot more on it now [to buy it] than I was selling it for two years ago," Ritz said. At his shop in Winter Park he has seen the cost of bullets rise as much as 10 percent every three months for the past two years.

Suppliers to law-enforcement agencies are doing better than retail shops.

"We're in good shape," said Tom Falone of Florida Bullet in Clearwater, who sells Federal and Spear brand ammunition to police departments and sheriff's offices. The only slight problem has been obtaining .40-caliber bullets, and those are delivered within 30 days.

"I called about .22 [bullets] the other day, and they had 12 million rounds in the warehouse."


Henry Pierson Curtis can be reached at 407-420-5257 or hcurtis@orlandosentinel.com.

sandman99and9
02-10-09, 13:24
I live in Orlando and can tell you that ammo is very hard to find !! If you do find some .223/.45/.40/9mm you will pay high prices for it :mad:

JSandi
02-10-09, 13:40
I know the liberal media is trying their best to paint this as a response to the economy but even they realize what is happening and the shear numbers of folks who are partaking cannot be ignored.

To push the economy argument is just silly and they see it.

I just hope the RATS led by the Messiah see this as well and stay hands off any anti-gun legislation including the much talked about AWB II.

In the end the economy could wind up being the much ballyhooed SHTF situation all the arm chair commandos dream and slobber about on the survivalist forums.

I could see it getting bad real bad over the next year or two, banks collapsing, auto industry going the way of the doo doo bird etc...

Higher unemployment numbers, couple that with Barry The Kenyan coddling every rogue nation in the middle east and letting the terrorist loose to attack us again, all it would take would be another year of downward spiraling economic numbers and another 9/11 style attack and it would be bad, real bad...
:(

Iraqgunz
02-10-09, 13:41
E-sales my friend, e-sales.


I live in Orlando and can tell you that ammo is very hard to find !! If you do find some .223/.45/.40/9mm you will pay high prices for it :mad:

A-Bear680
02-10-09, 16:20
At first the panic buying was driven by political concerns. Now it looks like panic is breeding shortages and shortages are driving more panic buying.

So far only one gun grabber bill has been intro'ed , HR 45: it has no co-sponsors and is DRT.

It will be interesting to see what kind of panic a bill with 4 or 5 sponsors ( out of 435 House members ) can inspire.

There were 3 ban bills intro'ed in the house last year. The front runner attracted a pathetic 60-some co-sponsors.

JRI
02-10-09, 22:42
E-sales my friend, e-sales.

I'll agree that E-sales are the way to go but even that is getting tougher every day.

Buckaroo
02-10-09, 22:53
My local wally world had no 9mm, no .380, and only two boxes of .38 so I bought all the .40s&w in the case and a box of .38 too.

They said the manufacturers were not able to keep up.... Really?

Guess I will keep stockpiling.

Buckaroo

RogerinTPA
02-11-09, 08:16
You'd be surprised at how uninformed gun shops are of buying bulk on the internet. I haven't bought a box of ammo over the counter in years.

sandman99and9
02-11-09, 08:42
E-sales my friend, e-sales.

ROGER THAT !!!

I ordered 600 rds of privi from wideners last week. Should be here soon.........

sandman99and9
02-11-09, 11:45
Now who is that knocking on my door ??
Cool it's the BIG BROWN TRUCK !!

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr147/sandman99and9/Picturesoftheboys004.jpg


Hmmmmm, feels kind of heavy...................
Ahh, some ammo from wideners.

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr147/sandman99and9/Picturesoftheboys005.jpg

200 rds of privi. now I can go to the range !!!
I think I have 400 more on the way. I will have to look for the truck......

mmike87
02-11-09, 11:52
I live in Orlando and can tell you that ammo is very hard to find !! If you do find some .223/.45/.40/9mm you will pay high prices for it :mad:

I saw high prices locally BEFORE the shortages.

I went to surplus ammo two weeks ago and snagged 1000 rounds for about $380 shipped. I like to shop locally, but most shops around here don't carry bulk ammo and bulk is the only way to fly as far as I am concerned.

I agree - online is the ONLY way to buy ammo, with the exception that I buy one box 100 rds of 9mm at Wally World every time I go there, which isn't often.

Iraqgunz
02-11-09, 12:04
I just scored 2 cases of real deal M855 for under 400.00 a piece. I am stoked.

markm
02-11-09, 13:06
I just scored 2 cases of real deal M855 for under 400.00 a piece. I am stoked.

Share the wealth! ;)

Iraqgunz
02-11-09, 14:35
Don't worry, you're in my Obama socialist circle of wealth redistribution. :D


Share the wealth! ;)