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An Undocumented Worker
02-10-09, 22:26
I'm looking at getting a semi auto CCW, and find the CZ P01 and P06 to be interesting as well as fitting my my hand very well. I also seem to like metal framed guns much more than the polymer offerings. I've checked out S&W's M&P lineup and have shot Glocks and XD's but don't particularly like how they fit my hand or the overall shape and sizing of the polymer guns.
Does anyone else here have experience with CZ's pistol offerings?
Any positive or negative information is appreciated.
Here are some handy articles and reviews on the P-01. It has gone through some incredibly rigorous official testing. I'm hearing a lot of kudos for the P-01 as a mid-size carry gun, though I have not yet owned one myself. I've owned many other CZ's, and currently own three of their pistols and one rifle. They are more durable, more accurate, and more ergonomic, than any other handguns I have aside from my 1911's.
Article describing the rigorous NATO testing that was done:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_1_50/ai_110470565
Review from the American Handgunner:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_167_28/ai_110457315
Review by George Hill:
http://madogre.com/Interviews/CZP01%20Article.pdf
I've owned 5 CZs over the years and have put a LOT of ammo through each of them. A CZ 75b, CZ 75bd, CZ 97b, CZ SP-01, and a CZ P-01.
Out of all of them, the only one I recommend to people is the standard CZ 75b 9mm. It has the best balance, overall handling, slide mass, and frame strength. The P-01 is light, compact, and feels nice in the hand. However, after putting about 18k rounds through it I can tell you that it isn't all it's cracked up to be. The slide mass of the P-01 is too light for the mechanism design and it really puts a beating on the frame internals with NATO or +P ammo. Once your recoil spring breaks in, you'll really notice it as you will get the commonly experienced trigger slap from the excessive slide velocity with 9mm NATO or +P ammo. I broke one extractor, two trigger return springs, and one slide stop on the P-01 while I owned it. That is really unacceptable in a serious defensive pistol. Most competing pistols on the market such as Glock, Sig, H&K, and S&W will not break parts until they have reached the 30-50k round count using full power ammunition. If you go to CZ forums many of the fanboys will admit that their CZs have broken slide stops at under 20k rounds or have had trigger return spring problems, but they over look those issues and claim that the CZ is just as reliable as the competition. Most CZ owners also never take their pistols beyond 10k rounds, or if they are using it as a competition pistol they use under powered loads and not the full power defensive stuff.
I still own my CZ 75b and am happy with it. Back when CZ will still under Soviet control(when it was actually at its best), the company experimented with compact models, but didn't put them into production. The reason why they didn't was durability problems with the design. They listed the compact model as having a 20lb recoil spring to compensate for the reduced slide mass, but they likely were having premature slide stop breakage due to the more forceful return velocity.
BTW, the NATO testing that CZ claims their P-01 passed with flying colors cannot be verified......this is just coming from CZ public relations.
Most competing pistols on the market such as Glock, Sig, H&K, and S&W will not break parts until they have reached the 30-50k round count using full power ammunition.
That has not been my experience. Guns may reach that high a round count without a breakage, but if you tested 10 guns from any manufacturer I wouldn't expect all of them to hit 30k without a breakage. I'm assuming, based on your other comments, that you're not allowing for recommended standard maintenance in terms of spring replacements, etc.
For example, just about every company recommends changing trigger springs at 10k. While they may not trumpet the fact, most also recommend changing their locking block/insert every 20k for high round count guns. I've seen Berettas, SIGs, and Glocks with broken locking blocks/inserts at less than 20k, in fact.
Coincidentally enough, I sat down this morning and compiled all the data I had on the 24 sample guns that were in my safe during my 5 years at SIG (http://pistol-training.com/archives/1210). Three guns had parts break (one broken its takedown lever and then the extractor broke less than 100 rounds later). Of the four broken parts, only one occurred after 20k rounds ... and even then the gun didn't make it to 30k. Only one of the guns (a P226R 9mm) passed 30k without a breakage.
Please don't misunderstand, my feeling toward CZ is very similar to yours. Most of the people who are happy with the performance of those guns will never see 20k rounds. They definitely have "hard use" issues and require maintenance and parts replacement to keep them going.
dwhitehorne
02-11-09, 13:08
My 2 cents are if you are looking at a CZ stay with the 9mm ones. I have had a few CZ's and currently have a full size 75B 9mm and a compact 75B 40 cal. The 40cal is picky on ammo and you can really feel the difference in recoil between the two.
The PO-6 has the new style 40 cal magazines that are just full size mags with a rubber base that sticks out about 1/2 an inch below the frame. It kind of defeats the purpose of a compact in my opinion. I have two of the older flush fitting 40 compact mags and they are impossible to load round number 10 without a loader. I've never every fired my 40 compact with 10 +1 because the mags are so hard to seat.
If you are still inclined to the CZ and I love mine, I would look at the all steel 75B compact in 9mm or the alloy frame PCR. Those don't have the light rail and carry much thinner than the P-01 or 06 in my opinion. I prefer the safety versions myself and don't care for the decockers.
As mentioned above the M&P is nice too if you haven't shot it. I prefer steel guns myself but I have a 9mm and 45 M&P and love those also. David
John_Wayne777
02-11-09, 13:31
It's good to see this kind of info on the CZ guns. You rarely find anyone who has put enough rounds through them to make those sorts of observations.
An Undocumented Worker
02-11-09, 18:41
Mind you this isn't going to be a duty pistol, And I have no qualms performing preventative maintenance at recomended intervals. So long as the gun is inherently reliable I should be fine.
As an automotive mechanic, I also understand that springs are wear items, they sag, lose thier tension and develop a compression set over usage, thus necessitating replacement. So I don't see myself neglecting to replace worn out parts.
So given that the fire arm is properly maintained how reliable are the mechanisms, etc.
And are there any other differences between the 75 compact and the P01 other than the steel frame and light rail?
After doing some more research it seems as though the PCR seems like the best compromise between light wieght and bulk. Now can it be had with factory installed tritium sights?
They definitely have "hard use" issues and require maintenance and parts replacement to keep them going.
Not meaning to quibble, just pointing out this would apply to all modern pistol designs I have owned. For instance, my experience has been that the two M&P's, a Taurus 24/7, and a Sig 229 I have owned, have all required more repairs and have had more failures under both real usage and dry firing than any of my CZ's have. That's a small sample, as we often say, and not enough to prove any trend one way or the other. But just my experience.
But now to return to the point: I cannot vouch for the P-01's durability. Like others, I can only point to the claims of the NATO testing, which as the other poster correctly says, cannot be easily verified. But of course, his individual experience with the pistol is not enough--by itself--to invalidate the claims of the pistol's durability either. Just to be balanced and fair! ;)
I've read of a few more than two reports of slide stop breakages over the years. Call CZ-USA and ask for the master gunsmith (Mike Eagleshield). Ask him what is the expected life of the slide stop. A few years ago, I did this. Twice. The first time I asked, he said "1500 rounds, but I've seen them not last that long". The second time I asked him at a later date, he said, "1200 rounds". I asked for clarification, since I was a bit surprised. He said they usually last longer than that, but CZ considers that a maintenance part.
This, along with hearing that the competition 75 ships with FIVE slide stops in the box, left me disinterested in the CZ platform. The slide stop takes a beating in that pistol design and even more so in the larger calibers, according to some interesting comments from Bruce Gray.
There are several ergonomic issues that turn me off to them, but the slide stop issue, the poor spring quality issues in the pistol and in the mags (I've read reports that CZ has recently switched to Wolff springs to address this) and the porous castings (including objectionable voids sometimes, according to some gunsmiths I trust), made them fail my criteria before even trying to reconcile the ergonomic issues. At the time, I was toying with the idea of it as a defense pistol and just didn't care for the quality and I consider it to be a Tier 2 platform. I just couldn't trust it.
As for the legions of armies around the world that were reportedly using these, I don't believe they were necessarily high volume pistol shooters, so I don't consider their choice as thorougly vetted as even a US state police contract selection. A Taurus or Llama would probably fair about as well for these countries.
Just my .02 (after taxes).
I've read of more than two reports of slide stop breakages over the years. Call CZ-USA and ask for the gunsmith (Mike). Ask him what is the expected life of the slide stop. I did this twice. The first time I asked, he said "1500 rounds, but I've seen them not last that long". The second time I asked him at a later date, he said, "1200 rounds". I asked for clarification, since I was a bit surprised. He said they usually last longer than that, but CZ considers that a maintenance part.
Yes, "over the years", I've read of multiple issues with all types of guns as well! Gosh, I can even remember seeing a couple of cracked frames on Glocks.
But as I said, LATELY over in the CZ forums, I only recall seeing a couple of threads (in the past 6 months or so) where there was any big discussion about a broken slide stop. I just went there now and searched, and there are simply not many current issues to be found. The point was, there's hardly an epidemic. If it were, one would think it would be coming up more often on the most popular forum for CZ owners, many of whom own multiple pistols and are big-time competition shooters (like Angus Hobdell).
Suggesting, in the opinion of the smith, that one should replace a part every so many rounds for maintenance, is not the same as demonstrating conclusively that the part is defective or an accident waiting to happen. And it's also not the same as proving that the part actually FAILS every 1500 rounds. I have owned a total of 7 CZ pistols, with far more than 1500 rounds through all but one of them, and never had a SINGLE broken slide stop. And I've only replaced 2 slide stops, voluntarily, after the pistols crossed the 5K rounds boundary. Small sample, yes, but guess what? I don't even KNOW another CZ owner, personally or in the CZ forums, who's had a slide stop break. I'm sure it happens at times, but it's pretty darn rare in my experience, and apparently it's rare in the experiences of the CZ owners on the forums, since almost no one seems to be talking about it.
An Undocumented Worker
02-13-09, 22:24
Woot! just picked up a 75 D PCR today. Seems as though it was the only one in the local area as everyone was out of the compact 9mm CZ's. I just can't wait till I get out to the range with it, and also find some target ammo.
Its a very nice pistol with a really crappy trigger. The internal finish looks kind of rough and you can feel the recoil more than a polymer pistol. I see no reason to buy one over an M&P though.
George Hill recently posted he was selling his PO-1. I don't consider him a "serious shooter". That would be someone who is an effective trainer, has a serious professional background, or is at least a good competition shooter. He is a hobbyist with a blog.
The OP should also read the review I've posted by George Hill, who is a serious shooter, and is of a different view. I honestly can't vouch for the P-01, but have heard enough positive reviews from folks I respect that I'm at least curious as to its durability and would certainly give it a serious look.
CZ says their proof is that the PO-1 has a NATO stock number. But you can find washing machines with NATO stock numbers.
BTW, the NATO testing that CZ claims their P-01 passed with flying colors cannot be verified......this is just coming from CZ public relations.
AR15AK47USER
02-15-09, 03:52
CZ-75 based full size platforms in 9mm have been performing well in various government agencies and military units around the world for over 30 years. The trigger is not a slicked up piece of snot like a 1911 but then the 1911 does not have DA capability either. The SA trigger pull is much nicer then any Beretta, HK, Glock or Sig I have ever shot, I actually prefer it to the 1911 too. It is of course a learning curve and at first it may not feel too good but it wears in really well. Offhand accuracy and speed of follow up shots once you get used to it is nothing short of WOW!!!. I would suggest staying away form a decocker version as the gun was meant for condition one carry. The DA pull is not very nice and has a big learning curve. Besides, decockers do not make a gun safe, they only make bean counters think it is safe which invites bad attitude towards gun handling and safety training.
Sure it has parts breakage, so do all the other guns, I have even seen fractured Glock slides. every serious shooter keeps spare parts for just such happenings. It depends on how much you shoot it. I personally have had 25K + through a CZ-75 without any issues at all. Just maintain it right and change out your recoils springs on schedule.
I would go with any of the basic CZ-75 platforms except the D models. The SP01 is good too. Stay away form the polymer versions, they are too new and their design needs to be proven before I would trust it,
The easiest solution is to get a trigger job.
George Hill recently posted he was selling his PO-1. I don't consider him a "serious shooter". That would be someone who is an effective trainer, has a serious professional background, or is at least a good competition shooter. He is a hobbyist with a blog.
George Hill is a certified NRA Pistol instructor, and has taught other self-defense courses. Also, about selling his P-01, if you're talking about the episode I'm thinking of, he wasn't selling because he doesn't like it or thinks there is anything wrong with it. Quite the contrary. In the instance I know about, he was just using it as a trade on a new rifle he wanted at the gun shop where he works. He posted about this awhile back on his blog at Madogre (http://www.madogre.com/Archives/June_2006.htm):
"We had a couple Super Shadows and a Coyote SS in .270 WSM. Well, I pulled out my CZ P-01 and traded it in on the Coyote. It's not that I didn't like the P-01 anymore. Nooo... that's not it. I could buy another one if I have to. And would... but I plan on buying it back."
As a matter of fact, George still lists the P-01 as his second best pick (http://madogre.com/weapons_section.htm) for a handgun on his site, right behind the 1911. If he has suddenly turned sour on the P-01, he's sure being inconsistent about it on his site.
In any case, I do not think trying to redefine what qualifies as a "serious shooter" is going to alter the fact that a lot of shooters out there admire and use the CZ platform pistols. The P-01 may or may not turn out to be a great pistol, long-term, I simply don't know about it yet, though it looks promising. But the CZ 75 platform is well established, and there are PLENTY of shooters, at all levels of shooting, who have used and do use and endorse CZ's. There was Jeff Cooper, of course, who thought the CZ-75 was the greatest double-action platform in existence. For competition shooters: Have you heard of Angus Hobdell? Matt Mink? Or Adam Tyc, the recent IPSC world champion? Or how about Dick Metcalf, the long-time technical editor of Shooting Times, who named the CZ 75 family as his pick for the "underrated autopistol of the 20th century"? (http://hunting.about.com/od/guns/l/aastpistolofCc.htm).
Certified NRA Pistol instructor? Wow. Impressive. Takes at least a couple weekend classes to attain that. In any case George is not an impressive source because he makes many comments that make him appear to be mentally unstable. But thats another topic. BTW the blog posting you quoted is not the one I am referring to.
Anyway you have somehow assumed incorrectly that I am knocking the entire CZ-75 series. I am not saying anything negative about the CZ-75 series at all or the P01. I like it a lot but as I said has a crappy trigger. With all due respect to Col. Cooper he said that a long time ago and pistols have changed pretty dramatically since then. CZ's recent attempts to modernize the CZ series by using Polymer frames are unimpressive.
Also I happen to know a few of the people you mention personally. Several of them are sponsored by CZ.
I recommend you read what people say more closely before you make assumptions next time.
An Undocumented Worker
02-15-09, 22:20
I got the PCR out to the range and put 102 rounds through it today. It seems pretty damn accurate even with my noob skills. I am also impressed at the attention to detail CZ takes when assembling this gun. All kinds of screws, pins, sights etc are staked to provide added security. While the placement of the slide release and decocker are intuitive and don't interfer with grasping the weapon at all. And the fit of the frame to my hand was absolutely wonderful, with no sharp edges or odd corners to mangle your mitts.
The trigger was little rough to begin with but it smoothed out a good bit with strategic application of some moly grease to the fire control group. The single action part of the stroke is clean crisp and smooth as butter, the double action will probably take some more breakin as I don't have enough info on how to properly dissasemble and hone the action.
As far as I can tell I am very satisfied with this purchase so far, Time and a bunch more rounds down range will tell if that remains the case.:cool:
Certified NRA Pistol instructor? Wow. Impressive. Takes at least a couple weekend classes to attain that. In any case George is not an impressive source because he makes many comments that make him appear to be mentally unstable. But thats another topic. BTW the blog posting you quoted is not the one I am referring to.
My main problem with your post is that you seem to imply that George changed his mind about the P-01, by the mere fact that he got rid of one one. That is NOT the case as far as I know, he is NOT down on the P-01 and in fact still highly recommends it, second only to 1911's.
The other stuff, what you think of George's mental stability, or whether you are impressed by his credentials, seems rather silly to me. One can quibble all day long about how you define a "serious shooter"; all I meant by that comment in my original post is that George's background exceeds that of your average mall Ninja: he's taught pistol courses, he has years of experience working on, shooting, and selling guns, therefore I suggested his detailed review of the P-01 might be of interest to the OP. End of story.
Anyway you have somehow assumed incorrectly that I am knocking the entire CZ-75 series. I am not saying anything negative about the CZ-75 series at all or the P01. I like it a lot but as I said has a crappy trigger. With all due respect to Col. Cooper he said that a long time ago and pistols have changed pretty dramatically since then. CZ's recent attempts to modernize the CZ series by using Polymer frames are unimpressive.
Some pistols have changed pretty dramatically, but most modern designs are plastic, and the fundamentals for the CZ-75 family design are still quite similar. The CZ-75 platform has had some improvements since the original came out over 30 years ago, but I see a high degree of continuity with the original and suspect that Colonel Cooper, if still alive, would still hold his high opinion of this platform. Your comments about their attempts at polymer pistols are not relevant; CZ's polymer pistols were not being considered in any previous post in this thread.
As for "crappy" triggers, is that a scientific assessment? Because the fact is, I read many, many reviews of P-01 users who are quite satisfied with the trigger, NIB. But be that as it may, I rarely judge a production pistol by its trigger in its NIB state. If I did, I'd have ditched my two M&P's, and my two current 1911's, not to mention a CZ 85 Combat and an SP01 that I currently enjoy shooting. To me, like a 1911, you judge a CZ's trigger by what it CAN be, when well tuned. And a well done CZ trigger, IMHO, is second only to a well done 1911 trigger.
Also I happen to know a few of the people you mention personally. Several of them are sponsored by CZ.
If Angus Hobdell, Matt Mink, and Adam Tyc keep winning competitions as they have done in the past with CZ's, then I think their record will speak for itself. This platform is a "serious shooters'" platform, HOWEVER you define that term.
I recommend you read what people say more closely before you make assumptions next time.
While we're making recommendations, I'd also suggest not posting facts out of context, making it appear that George is not longer recommending the P-01, just because he sold one, when the fact is that actually, he still highly recommends the P-01 on his site and in his frequent postings.
I got the PCR out to the range and put 102 rounds through it today. It seems pretty damn accurate even with my noob skills. I am also impressed at the attention to detail CZ takes when assembling this gun. All kinds of screws, pins, sights etc are staked to provide added security. While the placement of the slide release and decocker are intuitive and don't interfer with grasping the weapon at all. And the fit of the frame to my hand was absolutely wonderful, with no sharp edges or odd corners to mangle your mitts.
The trigger was little rough to begin with but it smoothed out a good bit with strategic application of some moly grease to the fire control group. The single action part of the stroke is clean crisp and smooth as butter, the double action will probably take some more breakin as I don't have enough info on how to properly dissasemble and hone the action.
As far as I can tell I am very satisfied with this purchase so far, Time and a bunch more rounds down range will tell if that remains the case.:cool:
Congrats on your purchase; keep us posted on how the PCR works out. Angus at Ghostholster.com can help with a trigger job, if you decided you need one.
I have a 75B .40 S&W and to me what sets it apart from other .40's I've fired is the accuracy and price ($355 NIB). Those prices are gone now I'm sure but I bought it in '03.
Has about 1k through it with no issues. Am I a "serious shooter"? Well as much as time and ammo allow but then again what qualifies someone as "serious"?
As to factory triggers, what off the shelf duty pistol doesn't have a crappy trigger?
As to factory triggers, what off the shelf duty pistol doesn't have a crappy trigger?
Exactly. I haven't bought a SINGLE pistol in the past 5 years in which I really LOVED the stock trigger. And anything I plan to carry or shoot seriously, I assume I'll have to get trigger work on it.
By the way, I noticed awhile back that Larry Vickers takes a similar approach (http://shadowspear.com/vb/showthread.php?t=11696), even with the new HK 45, which is supposed to be the 1911 of the 21st century, or whatever. Talking about the fact that the new HK45 has some built-in issues that require some smith work, he said: "But I have come to realize that most every weapon I buy has to be modified to suit my needs - that is part of being a savvy end user - and I no longer hold it against a given weapon because of that fact."
An Undocumented Worker
07-16-09, 20:28
Well I finally got around to honing the fire control group parts, and changing hammer spring wieghts around, and the results are great.
Single action mode is slick as snot, with very little overtravel
Double action mode was cleaned up considerably by polishing the hammer spring strut and polishing of the disconector surfaces.
If I can hold my concentration long enough it's easy to get a nice large single hole in the target at about 10-12 yards with 115 grain ammo, and it seems like 124 grain ammo even better, but that is difficult to find locally.
It does not like feeding UMC bulk ammo, however some selective polishing of the feedramp and edges of the chamber took care of that issue.
Overall I am very pleased with this gun from a performance standpoint and the fact that it is an enjoyable gun to tinker with, as far as modifying the trigger group.
I've read of a few more than two reports of slide stop breakages over the years. Call CZ-USA and ask for the master gunsmith (Mike Eagleshield). Ask him what is the expected life of the slide stop. A few years ago, I did this. Twice. The first time I asked, he said "1500 rounds, but I've seen them not last that long". The second time I asked him at a later date, he said, "1200 rounds". I asked for clarification, since I was a bit surprised. He said they usually last longer than that, but CZ considers that a maintenance part.
This, along with hearing that the competition 75 ships with FIVE slide stops in the box, left me disinterested in the CZ platform. The slide stop takes a beating in that pistol design and even more so in the larger calibers, according to some interesting comments from Bruce Gray.
There are several ergonomic issues that turn me off to them, but the slide stop issue, the poor spring quality issues in the pistol and in the mags (I've read reports that CZ has recently switched to Wolff springs to address this) and the porous castings (including objectionable voids sometimes, according to some gunsmiths I trust), made them fail my criteria before even trying to reconcile the ergonomic issues. At the time, I was toying with the idea of it as a defense pistol and just didn't care for the quality and I consider it to be a Tier 2 platform. I just couldn't trust it.
As for the legions of armies around the world that were reportedly using these, I don't believe they were necessarily high volume pistol shooters, so I don't consider their choice as thorougly vetted as even a US state police contract selection. A Taurus or Llama would probably fair about as well for these countries.
Just my .02 (after taxes).
Are you the same guy that keeps coming in all CZ related threads using the "CZ includes 5 slide stops with their competitions models" thing? The same guy that I've already spelled it out before that no, they do not?
Love to hear how many CZ's you actually have owned, and how many rounds you've shot through them, because most of the comments you've made seem to be the same rehashed wive tales and non-empirical "facts" that I keep hearing pop up from time to time on the internets. It sounds like you are taking some kind of passionate stand about a pistol that you seemingly have little/no experience with in the firsthand.
CZ includes THREE (3) slide stops with one model, the CZ Tactical Sport. A gun designed specifically for IPSC competition, and a gun that possess few parts that interchange with a normal '75 platform. It also comes with other spares, in an effort to be pretty much good to go right out of the box. I seriously doubt anyone who is even remotely familiar with the platform would consider that particular model in a "duty" role. A weak comparison at best.
Your other comments regarding "poor spring quality" and "porous castings" are more of these broad sweeping generalizations I keep hearing, but can't ever seen to find meaningful evidence of (pourus castings? Really?).
Look, I'm not interested in trying to convince someone that the CZ series of pistols is the greatest thing since sliced bread, nor even that someone should run out an purchase one. Some of these "facts" are pretty much ridiculous though. Take that from someone who's shot CZ's expressly (all 9mm FWIW) in USPSA and steel for a while now, and who has a stack of spare slide stops that I bought when I first was told about this "weak slide stop thing". As it stands, that stack has yet to be depleted.
Are you the same guy that keeps coming in all CZ related threads using the "CZ includes 5 slide stops with their competitions models" thing? The same guy that I've already spelled it out before that no, they do not?
Nope.
Yeah...I read all that stuff abouit broken slide stops and all I can say is I never had a problem in about 3000 rds with my CZ 75/.40. As to tool marks on the inside...so what? As long as it doesnt effect function of the weapon.
For the OP...enjoy your CZ! :)
I'm a P-01 owner and am around the 1,000 round count. Cannot speak from experience on hard use. I like the gun pretty well for what it is, realizing it has strengths and weaknesses like any pistol. I DO plan on replacing the recoil spring at regular intervals.
The greatest strength in my mind is the excellent ergonomic placement of the controls.
The trigger is a long pull and it has a lot of uptake. It is smooth, though.
This pistol is not the be-all-and-end-all of 9mm pistols, just a pretty good one.
I currently have two CZ P-01's. We had a PCR and RAMI also. I have never had any problems with them. I have about 2400 rounds through one, and about 1600 through the other. No failures of any kind.
I do keep multiple slide stops in the bag though. I haven't broken one, but the internet discussions about them as a weak point made me nervous. What I do is keep a "practice slide stop" in the gun at the range, and when I leave, I put in my "carry slide stop". It takes about 5 seconds to swap....
I have heard both sides of the slide stop argument. I don't know the answer, so for safety, I adopted the above practice.
I really enjoy shooting the P-01. I find it to have mild recoil, it is very accurate, and I personally love the ergonomics and placement of the controls. Not my favorite trigger, but I don't think it is horrible either. Of course I grew up with hunting rifles and revolvers, I'm pretty new to semi autos.
Having said all that, I am in the proccess of consolidating to a platform that I hope will require less maintenance, one that will be easier for my wife to operate (although she also loves shooting the CZ) and easier for her to carry. I would also like my primaries to have a little more aftermarket support than the CZ's offer.
I will keep one CZ P-01 because I really do like it. The rest however have been or are being sold to help fund the new consolidation project.
An Undocumented Worker
07-31-10, 17:45
Wow, I forgot I even made this thread. As an update, the PCR has seen somewhere around 2700 rounds through it so far with no parts breakage. I have replaced the recoil spring in it as it did lose some strength. This pistol has only had 2 stoppages in it's lifetime, failures to feed.
Both stoppages were with Remington UMC 250 round value pack that had issue with the bullet getting setback while chambering the round.:blink: I won't be using that ammo again.
The pistol is still rediculously accurate and even more so now that I have replaced the factory sights with Meprolite True Dots. They provide a nicer sight picture and it's easier for me to pick up the front sight with them. I have performed some work to the trigger group to shorten the reset and smooth out the double action pull. The first few times dissasembling and reassembling the fire control group with the decocker was a royal Bitch! but have since learned a few tricks to make the job fast and painless.
Jan of this year I have also Purchased a 75B stainless, and it too has proven reliable with about 1500 rounds through it so far. I do plan on installing a competition hammer on this pistol, still deciding on whether to do it myself or sending it to Angus Hobdell to have him work his magic on it. I just absolutely hate shipping stuff out.
clarkston_cz
08-01-10, 10:54
2 P-01s,a PCR , and now a new P-06.
Never a bobble or wobble out of any of them.
The P-06 has a trigger job from CZ-USA.
http://i32.tinypic.com/9ldaub.jpg
Buy the PCR if you don't need the light/laser rail.
They are lighter than a P-01/P-06 but still give a longer barrel and sight radius over the shorter gripped RAMIs.
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Look for Reviews and plenty of pic in my CZ-ZONE.
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Thanks, for Thinking CZ:)
Had a PCR and P-01 and sold them both. They fit my hand so well that I was initially thrilled, sort of like meeting a very pretty young woman. But after a while, they thrill wore off when I discovered that they are finicky and have hard to get parts, plus sketchy service.
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