View Full Version : POLL - when did you buy/order your first Evil Black Rifle? (see 1st post in thread)
REASON FOR POSTING THIS POLL:
I've read anti-gunners argue that the pre-election/post-election run-up in EBR sales has been mainly due to REPEAT BUYERS. This may be the case, but based on the people I know, there are many FIRST-TIME BUYERS since 2008.
BushmasterFanBoy
03-01-09, 17:23
2004, just a few months before the ban went away.:)
nighthawk756
03-01-09, 17:34
Bought my first...a Colt 6520 in '99.
I had a MAK-90 and an SKS many years ago.I hated both and sold them within a few weeks IIRC.
I had always been far more interested in handguns.
I really caught the BRD in mid-late 07 when i got my LMT.Much of my justification was the upcoming elections...an excuse thats been beat to death since.:D
Late 70's IIRC. Yeah, that long ago. Colt Sporter AR-15. Been through a few since including a couple of M16's. Currently have a KAC SR15 E3 IWS, Colt LE6933HB (SAW modified), 2 CNC AR45SD (pre-election), a Denny's Guns/Global Tactical Ion Bonded upper/lower (CMT) (post election) and looking at a LMT 12.5 gas piston from Grant or a Colt LE6940 (definitely post election).
I was always a ak guy got my first one in 86 in 87 I bought my first Colt sporter lightweight and the a bushmaster in 92 sold all my guns during the ban and made a great profit.Now after 13 AKs and 4 AR's I have one Russian saiga Ak-103( got it in 04) and My franken M4 (got it after coming home from FT KNOX in 06).don't see me selling any of these
Summer of 07...I think.
But I bought four rifles in 08!
Early 80's. I bought an AR15 Sporter. Wish I still had it.
Feb. 2008 order date....Sept. 2008 receive date!!! :eek:
LMT MRP CQB Piston!!!:D:D:D
RogerinTPA
03-01-09, 18:35
1993, Colt Sporter A2, no bayonet lug. Before that, it was a Ruger Mini-14, folding stock ( remember the A-Team?), purchased in 1984, which was traded for the Sporter.
telecustom
03-01-09, 18:45
I picked up my first in Jan of 1999. The other 2 the day after the election.
You can never have too many.
mourneblade
03-01-09, 19:59
September 08. Figured why take a chance.
April 08 and again in July 08.
Brought an LMT during the spring of '08...brought the lower in May and saved up for the upper and BCG and finally took that home in late July.
Yes, I brought it because Obama was sure to win...
Steelblitz
03-01-09, 20:32
Got my 1st one about 93/94. A 20" Colt HBAR, neutered version due to the ban. Sold that several months ago to a fellow in a ban state and got a 6920 to replace it. Also have a couple other AR builds going on during the present time.
My first was in 2007 as I finally decided I wanted one. I then bought a lower and a LPK just to have one. After the election I bought the upper, butt stock and put it together. I have a Romanian G kit, receiver and compliance parts in my garage and one day I will have it put together for me.
Lower- feb. 08
Upper-sep. 08
1985, 1990, 1997 and 2005.
Mr.Goodtimes
03-01-09, 21:32
I went to vote and then went to the gun shop to buy my first EBR. Ive wanted one for years and even though i wasnt financially as ready as i would have liked to been at the time, i managed to scrape up the funds. I figured id better get one before the price went up too much.
Edit: or before they got banned.
I bought an AR 180 in 1980
Bought a Colt Sportster in 85
Built a rifle length in the late 80's
Built a PWA lower before the Cal Assault Weapon Ban
Have two Stag lowers being built as I type
Oh yeah there was a BM 59 in there somewhere.
JA
I'm guessing that first time AR buyers are less likely to be members here (yet), so that option might be underrepresented.
For example, while I bought my first AR during the first ban, I've convinced at least three people to buy their first AR in the last few months. They aren't members here, but I'll try to rectify that, too. :cool:
Guess mine was a preban FAL in 98, then a couple NM AR15s between 2001-2005 before picking up my carbine in 2006.
My first purchase was in 1993/94.
Wow - I think it was 88/89 - Colt HBAR - being a short guy, swapped the A2 stock with an A1, just like my armory issued/kept M16A2 in the day.
I had been meaning to get one for a while, but never really got around to it. In 2008 I saw the winds of change a-coming and got ready, but plans fell thru mid summer and had to use the fundage elsewhere.
Got a stripped lower right after the election before prices went berserk, and right after the initial run on guns. Which in retrospect was a good thing I think, because I likely would have ended up with DPMS, RRA or some other questionable quality gun, since I didn't know what I didn't know, and my advice was coming from a friend who build his gun from a del-ton kit and fiercely argues it is 'just as good as' a Colt...
In Jan 09 I saw the Daniel Defense rifle coming out, and at a reasonable price, so I got one as well.
My first purchase was in 1993/94.
Forgot to mention that it was a Colt's Match HBAR MT67##. Too bad I sold it. . .:(
Jan 2001 I believe it was.
1996 - Colt Match Target HBAR.
1949, right after Leon Czolgosz shot Bill McKinley
Bought my LMT in September, and lay-awayed my Beretta CX4 9mm just a week ago.
I've not been without an AR since my 16th birthday.
Bought my Bushmaster in 2002.
I bought my first one in early 05, then 2 in 07, then 6 more in 08 :D
I bought my first rifle in December 1986 an H/K 93 rifle from my recruiter for 350.00. I traded 2 weeks later for a Hungarian SA 85 AK from Kassnar Arms. I was only 17 and didn't quite understand the dynamics of the gun world. I followed this purchase with a Mossberg 500 pump shotgun. I regret that I don't have the AK or the H/K 93.
I got my first lower in the spring of 07 and bought the upper to complete it in Fall of 07.
-DM-
30 cal slut
03-02-09, 07:16
i bought my very first Colt AR-15 in 1987.
sandman99and9
03-02-09, 07:34
January 3rd 2009 !! I got a late start. But I have full blown B.R.D. now !! :D
I remeber seeing a colt AR in a pawn shop for $300 back around 1988 but I did not think I could spend that much on a rifle ????
Are we all that ignorant when we are 18 ? LOL
S.M.
09/12/2001 Armalite M15A4
I started looking for one the day after election day. When I found one at a local gun shop, I called my wife to tell her I was going after work to buy it. The dear girl left work at lunch time, bought it, told the owner the story and concocted a devious plan, where I would show up after work, have to order 1, because the last was sold to a woman on her lunch break, and given a delivery date of January 17th. Christmas day, she gave me a Bushmaster M-4. If I had it to do all over again, I'd Marry her in a heartbeat.
I bought my first evil black rifle back in 1987. I bought a Colt SP1 Carbine for $550.00.
First purchase in '82 with many buy/sells in-between . God bless the "black rifle".
HAMMERDROP
03-02-09, 12:41
Right after the WTC incident I was in the shop 9-13-01 ordering a RRA LAR A3 with 16" bbl mid length gas system aluminum FF tube w/top-railed gas block (at the time cutting edge-LOL) and fixed stock.
I had a Pre-Ban Bushmaster A2-CAR in the mid-90's, which I bought from a fellow w/dubious character. I had no real interest in AR's always been a pistol type but I knew I could sell it and I did. I wont even mention what I sold it for nor what I paid.
Saw the buyer not long ago he sez she still runs been through most parts but she still goes bang.
I wish I had known then some of what I know now.
Michael
Early/Mid '08, but I also only got into shooting seriously in '08. Less to do with political climate, more to do with personal interest and financial opportunity.
-B
Army Chief
03-02-09, 14:21
Summer of 1986 ... an A2 Sporter II Carbine with an A1 rear sight. :)
AC
2006 and every year since.
November 1994, immediately after the passage of Clinton's AW and mag ban. Colt 6551 blue-label Sporter, factory drilled for front pushpin detent/spring. And I still have it.
Springtime of '08. I am a first-time buyer, and I did it because of the election.
I wasn't interested at all in ARs because of all the old bad words about the platform... Mattel gun, weak round, ineffective, et cetera, but after owning and then selling every major type of 7.62 rifle made, and realizing that all those gun shows must be full of AR accessories for some good reason, I put together a mid-length and have been happy since.
I expedited the purchase and assembly because as far as I'm concerned, the election was lost for the Republican candidate after Katrina. Technically I put the gun together before the election, but I put one eye on Obama and figured I had to get an AR before the election.
I bought my first, an HK93, in 1975. I had to keep it out of sight as most people didn't own such "ammo wasters" back then. People would actually pack up and leave the range if I made the mistake of bringing it out. Oh, well it was more fun shooting it in the back country anyway.
1984 and you don't want to know what I paid for it!!:p
First Black Rifle....1985---FN FNC Para, followed up with a HK94 with barrel Shroud and vertical grip(Raw Deal Gun), Steyr AUG and a FN FAL 50.64.
I still own the FN FAL 50.64 and the AUG.
I purchased my Colt about a week after the election and glad I did! The exact date was coincidental, having made the decision a few weeks before. I was thinking about an EBR off and on since the ban expired, and sure am glad I found this website before deciding on brand/model.
LonghunterCO
03-02-09, 20:01
Winter of 1983. Many start out with .22 at a young age. For my first gun, I started out with an AR that I bought shortly after graduation from high school.
-Don't bother doing the math...yea I am an old guy
Feb 08 was my 1st, a 6920. Then in April came a S&W M&P15X. Then I sold that and bought a CDD LE in May. Then my business dropped like a rock and I havent had the cash for another one until now its not even worth it.
Buckshot TX
03-02-09, 21:54
Winter of 1983. Many start out with .22 at a young age. For my first gun, I started out with an AR that I bought shortly after graduation from high school.
-Don't bother doing the math...yea I am an old guy
You're not alone, though. I bought my 1st SP1 in '83 - I was a sophmore in college:eek:
I bought my 1st Chi-Com 56S-1 shortly thereafter.
Smuckatelli
03-03-09, 06:43
I ordered my first weapon last Thursday; Colt 6721. I wasn't paying that much attention to the AWB until about 2 weeks ago.
dirksterg30
03-03-09, 07:30
I got my first, and only, AR (so far) in the fall of 2006.
glazer1972
03-03-09, 10:39
Bought a like new preban colt during the ban with one 20rd magazine and a buttstock cleaning kit for $800 OTD.
Late 2007 after I retired and had to turn in all of my issued weapons. RRA CAR, $780 out the door.
BigDozer66
03-03-09, 11:44
It was sometime around '96-'98?:confused:
It was a preban Colt M4 that I paid to much for.:(
I sold it for more than I paid for it after the ban sunsetted.:cool:
BigDozer66
hmmm 1980 I think or was that 1981 ?
Colt SP-1 with 20" barrel and triangular handguards in 1980 or 1981 for around $400.
alphatanker3ID
03-03-09, 16:59
I bought my Charles Daly M4 at Knob Creek here in KY just a few weeks before the election. I've always been into handguns and had always thought about getting an EBR, but I am definitely one of those who bought before the election in anticipation of rising prices, lowered availability and overall hysteria in the gun community if Obama got elected.
CryingWolf
03-03-09, 17:26
June of 2008, I was meaning to get one all along and glad I did before the frenzy we have now. Most places had ARs in stock and the prices were reasonable. Got mine for $899 (on sale from Cabela's) and a 50 buck rebate from S&W. Glad I did when I did as I didn't really see this coming and probably wouldn't have my EBR now if I had waited.
Back in 1993, late Fall, I wanted a "military style" rifle but I did not want to spend $600+ on a gun. I was more into computers etc at the time. I bought a NMH91 in 223 (basically a Mak-90 -thumbhole and everything).
A month later, a guy at work came into my office and told me that the Senate had passed their side of the AWB. This was Nov 93. That day at lunch a bunch of us drove down to the local EBR type store (also a pawn shop and std gun shop -- called Van Wagenens) and I bought a lightly used Colt 6700 Copmetition HBAR. Price was around $675. Jan 93 I bought an Essential Arms lower which I still have (the Colt is long gone). And later in 94 after the House passed their side of the AWB (but before it took effect in Sept 94). I bought 2 Eagle Arms lowers (one I still have) and two carbine uppers, don't remember by whom they were made. I still have one of the lowers though the upper has changed and the other I sold to buy a Rem 700 308 VSF (blued version of the Varmint 308 circa 95).
It has been downhill since then. Bubba Clinton's fault.
First AK, 1988. First AR, 1989. First FAL, first G3, 1990.
Ordered my LMT complete around March/April 2008 and received it in June.
I bought my first SKS in the '90-'92 time frame. I was too poor for anything "cool" like a Mini-14, much less an AR. Move forward a decade or so and I find out that AR's are kind of like PCs, it's supposed to be easy to build your own and "you can save money".
I bought my first AR lowers in 2007 after thinking about it for a couple years or more. Bought a well-used, no-name, upper the same year and started waiting for the next run of BCM uppers.
SoCalTrojanSoldier
03-04-09, 00:41
Thanks to everyone who helped me answer questions through the site and PM's
During the pre-election campaign I had heard that another AWB would be in the works if “He who shall not be named” was elected. After the results of the elections in Nov. I decided that it was time, I wanted to get myself an AR-15 type rifle. Being from NJ, there are alot of restrictions on what I was able to buy or have shipped to my FFL. I wanted a "classic" looking AR-15 type of rifle. Complete rifles were already hard to find that were "NJ legal". Thinking that to build one would take too long, and time was of the essence, I continued to look for a complete build that was legal. (My initial thought was that I would buy it and store it just in case a ridiculously low probability of a "Red Dawn" type of situation occurred.) I hadn't fired or cleaned an M16 for at least 26 years. Never thought I’d ever want to see a white glove going through the chamber again. But my second amendment rights were being threatened.
I finally stumbled upon a S & W MP15ORC and bought it. I added an EOTech 556 with GG+G BUIS and changed out the handguard to a Magpul MOE. After I got it set up, I figured I'd just put a few rounds through it (250) just to make sure it worked. BIG MISTAKE!!! I tasted the koolaid and it was good!!! Storing it away was no longer an option. As a matter of fact I started casually looking around at other AR-15 type of rifles.
Then I found a LWRC M6A2. I did some homework and decided I had to have one of these just in case a ridiculously low probability of a "Red Dawn" type of situation occurred and I might need a backup rifle. I added a Troy BUIS, a CQD vertical grip, and EOTech 557 with a 4x magnifier kit (since I'm getting older and my eyes can barely see the target at 50 yrds), and a Timney trigger:
But I still didn't have a "classic AR-15 type rifle". Subconsciously I must have still been looking because along came a Colt 6700 Match Target HBAR Competition (20" barrel). What if I needed a backup to my backup just in case a ridiculously low probability of a "Red Dawn" type of situation occurred? Can't get more classic than a Colt, thus:
My new additions to my safe:
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militarymoron
03-04-09, 10:50
Colt AR-15A2 in '85. then a used SP1 carbine with 16" barrel and collapsible stock right after i saw barnes and elias carrying them in the movie 'platoon' in '86. :D
i still have the SP1 - it's evolved over the years into my 'painted rifle' that most of you have seen below:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v483/militarymoron/subduedar2.jpg
I bought my first AR right after the stockton CA schoolyard "massacre".
It was either 89 or 90
It was a lovely green label A2 h-bar
Bought my first in 2000. I had been out of the Army for 6 years and started to get the itch. Bought a Bushmaster 20 inch flattop soon followed by a Colt pre-ban right before the 2000 election.
God, I must be the oldest one here. I had an AR15, an H&K 91 and 93 all before 1980, as well as an Uzi if that counts. It was black.
I'mGatMan!
03-06-09, 08:34
Count me as one of the "post-election noobs," but not necessarily because of the fervor. I always knew I'd get one, but it wasn't a priority until I saw prices going up big time on Bushys and DPMS fare. Good thing for me I have a great friend who wouldn't let a friend buy junk, so I ended up with an LMT.
But every time I go into a store, I see at least two people in there asking about which AR he/she should get, and whether or not there is REALLY a difference between a DPMS and a Colt.
I should add that to me (my opinion, keep in mind) the question OP asks isn't quite so pertinent here at M4C. I say this because after being a member of the gun community for a few years, and having been on many other forums, a lot more of the frequent posters here seem to be more knowledgeable, experienced shooters, and thus wouldn't really submit to the fever of an election like the recent one. There seems to be a deep, and highly informed community here, versus some of the people that frequent the other, more popular gun sites. Just my .02. YMMV. But I will say this: If this question were asked over at TOS, the response would be VASTLY different.
My first was a Colt Sporter H Bar in the early 90's (preban). Later I sold it... a mistake!
Patrick Henry
03-06-09, 13:05
I'm guessing that first time AR buyers are less likely to be members here (yet), so that option might be underrepresented.
For example, while I bought my first AR during the first ban, I've convinced at least three people to buy their first AR in the last few months. They aren't members here, but I'll try to rectify that, too. :cool:
Same here. I've successfully encouraged a few people to get a good rifle while they're available. I'm taking two more people out to the range tomorrow to teach them about their newly acquired EBRs and how to sight the guns using the 50/200 method. At the moment they know nothing about ballistics, bullet drop, cleaning and maintenance, etc. I plan to fix all that! ;)
I believe it was 1988 or 89, around the time they first started talking about an "Assault weapon ban," I guess in response to the Purdey schoolyard shooting.
Until that time, I guess I was a supporter of "common sense" gun control. I came from a family of sportsmen and was used to having shotguns around. As a young person, I had yet to give the issue much thought.
But listening to the arguments from both sides concerning the need to ban "assault weapons" convinced me of the total vacancy of gun control arguments.
I bought an FAL in 2000. Sold it later and bought an AR. Later I bought a new FAL and a few more AR's
Feb, '88--a AR15-A2. It was an early one with a no fence lower and no assist upper with drum sights. Still have it, ...er, I still have all the parts. I have five AR's and four of them are mix and match parts guns. M4gery, A2 configuration, A1 configuration, A1 ban configuration (my wife loves this one. It has a muzzle break, therefore virtually no muzzle flip.), and a true factory rifle--a RRA LAR-458. Love that SOCOM.
Now comes the best part. I attended a Friends of the NRA dinner about three weeks ago and won an M4 carbine! It's been ordered for me, but who knows when I'll get it. Hopefully before any new AWB! By the way, it is a Olympic Arms rifle, so that might mitigate any envy some of you might have felt.;)
I brought my brother over to the "dark side" by helping him build an EBR a couple of months ago. Now one of the officers of the small company I work for is asking about AR's. Seems his desire for one hit a peak about the time they started sporting $2000 price tags. I've told him he has first dibs on the rifle I won. If he goes for it, I will have infected another with BRD.
Heavy Metal
03-08-09, 13:10
November 1985. A Colt Quasi-A2.
A1 sights with no deflector but with a forward assist and an A2 stock and barrel.
1st sks 1990
got a L1A1 (1st Black Rifle) about 1995
Didn't get an AR till 2008 and assembled my first AR kit last month.
I have no idea why I waited so long to get a AR.
Deadcenter45
03-09-09, 04:53
Ordered my lower Dec '07 and the upper a couple months later. I have another build in progress now.
I bought my first DSC lower 6/16/08 then I bought a J&T Distributing 20" rifle kit 7/28/08
kaiservontexas
03-09-09, 10:36
St. Paddy's Day '05!
1st EBR was a "pre ban" Bushmaster M-17s bullpup in '94. First AR-15 was '98.
First EBR bought in 1984, maybe we should poll how many purchases we have made since the election. I just bought my 3rd Black Rifle this year.
Two during the Clinton Ban, a SAR 1 and a Bushy lower with Tromix 50 AE upper.
Since the Clinton Ban ended-
SLR-106 FR
AKS-74U kit w/receiver
AK-USA Saiga AK-103
Inrange AKS-74
1971 Russian AKM kit w/receiver
Vector RPK-74
Magnum Gunsmithing RPK-74
Saiga LEO 12C
Saiga 12 IZ-109
SLR-107U
Vector Polish PMKMS
Polish PMKM kit build
SLR-106U
Henderson Polish Tantal
SAS M7
SA M7 Carbine
SA M7 Classic
2 6920's
1 Colt 6920 lower w/Colt M16A4 complete upper.
Since the Nov. 08' election, ZERO.
1st in 1992, PWA lower
2nd in 1992 Bushy
3rd in 1994 Colt 20" no bayo lug
and many more since
firearm-freq
03-09-09, 20:40
First Colt AR-15 A2 SporterII preban, along with Polytech AK-47 Legend, Norinco SKS paratrooper, franken AR-15 carbine, stainless Ruger mini 14, Frenchi Spas 12 Ga. Went through a divorce and had to sell all. Within last year and half, DPMS AR-15 A2 chrome lined with LMT BCG, DPMS M-4 gery A3 chrome lined with LMT enhanced BCG and VLTOR modstock, DPMS LR 308 classic(Tac 20 upgrade), Romanian RPK, Yugoslavian SKS. Got 'em because I had the money and the 2nd amedment right to do so.
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