ACOG + irons + Mini red dot, too much?

[Slimjim]

I have a LMT defender, and i just put on a ACOG TA31. Im wondering what to do about Close quarters stuff when doing three gun and training. I was looking at the mini red dot sights, But is this way to many sights? and i should just stick to the ACOG and irons?

[C4IGrant]

I have a LMT defender, and i just put on a ACOG TA31. Im wondering what to do about Close quarters stuff when doing three gun and training. I was looking at the mini red dot sights, But is this way to many sights? and i should just stick to the ACOG and irons?


You can get a cover for the front lens and shoot both eyes open. That will help. It really comes down to a lot of practice though and understanding the limitations of the ACOG.

They do ok at close range (if you are standing still and looking at one target). When you have to move and or engage multiple targets is when you will really find out how painful the ACOG is.

An option for you is to get the DD offset mount (if you have a rail) and then mount a small red dot type optic at about the 1 position. Then you just roll the weapon over and pick up the dot for CQB distances.


C4

[Slimjim]

You can get a cover for the front lens and shoot both eyes open. That will help. It really comes down to a lot of practice though and understanding the limitations of the ACOG.

They do ok at close range (if you are standing still and looking at one target). When you have to move and or engage multiple targets is when you will really find out how painful the ACOG is.

An option for you is to get the DD offset mount (if you have a rail) and then mount a small red dot type optic at about the 1 position. Then you just roll the weapon over and pick up the dot for CQB distances.


C4

I do have the DD 1 o clock rail for a light mount, I may try it with a Mini dot and see how i like it.

[AirmanAtwood]

you could mount a Doctor optic ontop of the ACOG
http://sgcusa.com/images/large/Trijicon_ACOG_TA31_ECOS_A.jpg

[C4IGrant]

you could mount a Doctor optic ontop of the ACOG
http://sgcusa.com/images/large/Trijicon_ACOG_TA31_ECOS_A.jpg

That position is generally considered too high to be of much use.

C4

[Failure2Stop]

That position is generally considered too high to be of much use.

C4

Agreed- it is really high, and is acceptable where it is used simply because it is the only option, and is better than the alternative (no MRD).

It is a series if compromises though- the 1 oclock offset is a bit tougher for some unconventional positions while the higher profile of the piggyback exposes more of the shooter and makes close-range work a little harder due to the higher LOS over bore.

One more thing to keep in mind is that the T-1 is about 10,000X stronger than any of the DR-type MRDs, and a piggyback position makes the MRD more likely to encounter impact. Trijicon's new MRD seems to be much beefier, but I have no idea when it will hit the market.

[IPSC_GUY]

Here is a way to mount a MINI red dot in conjunction with an ACOG. Pictured here is my TA-31 and an old Optima 2000 using a YHM 45 degree offset Rail. It is a simple solution and in my opinion requires the least amount of cant to see the MRD. I have a Daniels Defense off set mount as well and this puts the MRD closer than the DD mount.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/IPSC_GUY/ACOGwithRedDot002.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/IPSC_GUY/ACOGwithRedDot001.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/IPSC_GUY/ACOGwithRedDot003.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/IPSC_GUY/ACOGwithRedDot004.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/IPSC_GUY/ACOGwithRedDot005.jpg

IPSC_GUY
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[bullitt5172]

That position is generally considered too high to be of much use.

C4

The MRD was mounted on top of the ACOG at the request of CRANE. I also think it's too high but those boy's wanted it on top.

[C4IGrant]

The MRD was mounted on top of the ACOG at the request of CRANE. I also think it's too high but those boy's wanted it on top.



Oh, I know exactly who requested it. ;)

CRANE also thinks it is a good idea to NOT pin the gas block on the MK18 either. :rolleyes:



C4

[clasky]

This is the exact application that the TNVC MURLM (Multi Use Rail & Light Mount) was designed for. The MURLM mounts a mini red dot at a perfect 5 degrees off the site line. This allows you to pick up the dot with the most minimal cant of the weapon. Most guys that first get their hands on the MURLM end up way over-canting the weapon. In fact, some guys just shift their eye over and pick up the dot. Either way, you maintain your cheek weld.

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/clasky/TNVCsl_0271-1.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/clasky/TNVCsl_0025.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/clasky/TNVC_MURLM_Production_Model/E_MURLM_prod_004.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/clasky/TNVC_MURLM_Production_Model/B_MURLM_prod_001.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/clasky/TNVC_MURLM_Production_Model/D_MURLM_prod_003.jpg

[Slimjim]

Im just really trying to figure out, if im trying to make my rifle do something it wasnt designed for. My local range only goes to 200 yards. And this is going to be my SHTF/3 gun style competition (Run and gun) gun along with my Range gun. All around you see. And am just wondering if by running the ACOG, the mini red dot, and the irons, if i should just go with a small variable that can do CQB (1X) plus long range, or if i should just stick to close target quick acqusistion. I REALLY like the idea of the CQB by leupold, but i hear bad things about it.

[sff70]

I ran a TA11-D with a Progressive Machine objective lens cover (GREAT piece of gear, BTW) so I could quickly transition to/from occluded mode.

I found that the reticle washed out when:

1/in lowlight when a white light was switched on
2/when going from a bright environment into a dark one when you have to shoot NOW

Due to the above, I sold the setup and went back to a battery powered RDS.

I did find that in good light conditions, shooting in occluded mode was the fastest way for ME to shoot targets from 0 to 25 meters with the TA11.

If you are going to use an ACOG or other 4x or higher power scope, IMO the offset mini RDS is the way to go for close targets.

For 3 gun, be sure to consider how using 2 optics affects you (open v. tactical, etc.)

[Slimjim]

Also, The only optics ive ever used before on an AR were RDS ones. Im looking at the Comp M4. Due to its insane battery life. and 2 MOA dot.