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Outlander Systems
03-07-09, 10:23
Finally got around to starting my BOB.

I'd originally gone to Dick's and REI to find a good bag, and was sorely disappointed.

I'd been eyeballing a bag I'd seen at Brigade Quartermasters for a while, and was won over with this bag:

The Bug-Out Bag:
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/8070/bobv.jpg

The appeal, to me, was the modularity (MOLLE), hydration-system compatibility, immense number of pockets, and the overall size seemed to be a perfect fit for a BOB.

I'll update this in segments. The first one will be personal hygiene. When I was originally deciding to put this pack together, I was going to abandon all the "frills", but I've spent enough time in the woods to know that "feeling human" is a big morale booster. Since this is a BOB, I figured I needed all the morale I could get.

There's still a few items I'd like to stuff in the "hygiene" section, but I feel like I've got a pretty good start for an Apocalypse bathroom.

Loose:
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/8625/hygeine1m.jpg

Contents inside the bag:

1) Cottonelle wet wipes
2) 3 Rolls of camping toilet paper
3) Cheap soap case/soap
4) Nail clippers
5) Comb
6) Vaseline
7) Hand lotion
8) Dental floss
9) Chap-Stick
10) Toothbrush/Toothbrush holder
11) Baby Powder
12) Instant hand sanitizer
13) Shampoo
14) Mouthwash
15) Deodorant

Last but certainly not least:

16) Some ****in' Whiskey

Packed:
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/7025/hygiene2.jpg

That's it for my hygiene camp kit. I'm open to suggestions of things I'm missing, or criticism.

Next update will be "fire-makin'" supplies.

MarshallDodge
03-07-09, 10:45
That looks really good. The whiskey cracked me up. :D

My only suggestion would be to put anything that absorbs water, like the toilet paper, in a ziplock bag just in case you get caught in the rain.

Impact
03-07-09, 11:25
That looks really good. The whiskey cracked me up. :D

My only suggestion would be to put anything that absorbs water, like the toilet paper, in a ziplock bag just in case you get caught in the rain.

+1..always use plastic bags..plus you can re-use them for other tasks.

macman37
03-07-09, 11:44
Good start. I look forward to updates.

Outlander Systems
03-07-09, 11:44
I'm still in the process of assembling. I believe the last purchase for the pack will be a rain cover of some type...

I definitely need to bag up the TP; wet TP = horrible. Dry leaves = twice as horrible.

The whiskey idea was a totally random one. I stopped what I was doing, and bee-lined it for the nearest liquor store.

Alone, cold, wet, tired, and at a camp site, necessitates some boozin'.

Decon
03-07-09, 13:50
That's a nice set-up. With my hair, or lack of, I can avoid the comb and usually carry a combo body/hair wash. The Purell is a nice touch. After just having a baby, I have learned the importance of having the stuff around. Very effective too

dave5339
03-07-09, 13:52
Here is one I put together a couple of years ago.

I started with a Camelbak Motherload I had snagged off of Ebay for reasonable. It started as just something to throw some stuff into in the event we needed to leave and morphed into a lunchtime walking program that eventually led me to seeing if I really could walk home from work in a day, (just over 18 miles).

Overall I really like this bag! I’ve been able to load it with all the stuff I want to carry in my GHB and I’ve still got room left over. As I was actually hiking with this on an almost daily basis it’s forced me to be conservative in what I am loading into it. Its capacity is 2100 cubic inches which for me as I get older, lazier, and wiser is more than enough.

So far I’ve probably done more than 250+ with this pack on my back in the last couple of years. Let’s just say I am very impressed with it. It is well built, holds more than enough for me, more than comfortable, and rides very nice.

Although I will admit I don’t have a wide variety of experience with other packs. Mostly my main experience with a pack was 20+ years ago in the Marine Corps with a poorly fit ALICE pack. Let’s just say that was a painful memory. My other experience has been with an overly large MountainSmith Revolution, I’ve yet to really spend much time with that bag though.

The bag has essentially four main compartments;

The compartment for the hydration bladder. This is accessible from the back of the pack and is relatively easy to stuff a full bladder in while the pack is loaded. It’s got a secure zipper closure, a hang loop for the bladder, and a port for the drinking tube.
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/dave5339/IMG_1547.jpg
The main compartment has a small zippered mesh pouch for storing some stuff, a large main pouch, and then a waterproof radio pouch with a draw string closure. There are two ASIPS antenna ports that exit this compartment. Both ports are covered with Velcro closures to secure them from the elements when not in use.
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/dave5339/IMG_1545.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/dave5339/IMG_1546.jpg
The next compartment has dividers for small gear and several pockets. This is mainly a compartment for readily accessible stuff. There are two large pockets, two medium pockets, and 3 pen pockets. In one of the main pockets there is a leash with a plastic snap hook on it for retaining keys or other small items.
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/dave5339/IMG_1544.jpg
The last pocket is on the back of the pack and opens from the side. It’s not divided inside. I’ve found it handy for small flat items such as an amateur radio repeater directory, small notebook, and other small items.
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/dave5339/IMG_1543.jpg

Now for the misses as I see them:

The bag really needs a set of top loader straps to pull it up into the body and keep it from drooping.
The interior radio pouch is too big for most radio needs. It’s sized to fit a PRC 77 or similar radio but is much too big for a standard amateur handi talkie or similar sized radio.
In my opinion, the interior could really use more gear loops and pockets for small items, but then I am more than a bit of an organization freak.

Now for the hits:
Extremely well built and then some. The material that Camelbak used is 100000 denier cordura nylon. You could probably drag this thing behind a truck down a gravel road and all it would get is dusty.
Heavy duty zippers and buckles, again, this is built to last.
Very comfortable and ventilated back panel. I tend to sweat A LOT and this back panel keeps my back reasonably cool and dry.
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/dave5339/IMG_1540.jpg
Very comfortable waist belt. Lots of adjustment available in the waist belt, it even fits me with room to spare.
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/dave5339/IMG_1539.jpg
Lots of Molle attachment points. They are all over this pack and great for hanging extra gear off of.
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/dave5339/IMG_1542.jpg

Now for things I’d change:


I’d add the top loader straps for the adjustment.
I’d add an interior Molle attachment in the radio pouch so I could hang a radio pouch in the pack. That way my HT, (handheld amateur radio) would be protected from the elements and I could use the ASIP antenna port to poke my whip antenna out.
Horizontal Molle straps on the shoulder straps. They would be nice for hanging other gear off of such as radios, GPS, cell phones, and other small gear that needs to be readily accessible.

As to the what I've managed to stuff into or hang off of this bag.

I've tried to lay out the pictures in reasonable order and layout. I've also tried to label items in the pictures that may be a little hard to see what they actually are.

Of course I am by no way finished with what I want to add in to this. These things tend to be continually evolving as situations and environments change.

I also still need to add some type of tarp/shelter in there rather than just the rain poncho that I currently have.

There are also a couple of odds and ends that are not pictured, spare clothes, (socks, underwear, and t-shirt), my 3 liter Camelbak bladder, amateur radio, and a few other items.

This is the stuff I have in the front slash pocket in my bag.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/dave5339/IMG_1592_withdescriptions.jpg

This is what is in the middle pocket of the bag.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/dave5339/IMG_1594withdescriptions.jpg

And the main pocket in the bag.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/dave5339/IMG_1596withdescriptions.jpg

This is the PSK kit that I've put together. It's kind of outgrown my original idea of just using the Pelican 1020. The pouch is from Cheaper Than Dirt and was/is a loan from Serious Student.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/dave5339/IMG_1600withdescriptions.jpg

The current load out with 3 liters/100 oz of water is right around 30 pounds. I've found that this carries fairly well for me.

Overall I am very happy with this bag. I also think that there is enough room left that I could probably add in a Big Agnes camp pad, down sleeping bag, and a small one person tent.

Semper Fi

bkb0000
03-07-09, 16:30
hmm.. starting to rethink my BOB... all mine has in it is 50 loaded pmags and some porn

LonghunterCO
03-07-09, 17:06
What does your setup weigh?

CCK
03-07-09, 18:35
hmm.. starting to rethink my BOB... all mine has in it is 50 loaded pmags and some porn


What does your setup weigh?


Well that kinda depends on the media, right?

LonghunterCO
03-07-09, 18:49
Well that kinda depends on the media, right?

Ahh. I was wondering about the OP's bag.

Outlander Systems
03-07-09, 19:24
Longhunter: It's not anywhere close to finished. I stuffed a bunch of spare boots, etc. in it today for my first BOB trek/test.

I managed to get it up to 22 lbs with water, but I'm assuming it should be about 40-50 once I'm done.

Dave: AWESOME kit, bro.

Low Drag
03-07-09, 22:41
Don't forget to add some foot powder!

It works well on most any skin rash be it on you foot, crotch or pits.


That's a nice set of pics etc. You HYST!

SeriousStudent
03-08-09, 01:31
So THAT is where that freakin' first aid kit bag went......


:D

sjc3081
03-08-09, 04:48
Don't forget to add some foot powder!

It works well on most any skin rash be it on you foot, crotch or pits.


That's a nice set of pics etc. You HYST!
Why foot powder. You own urine works perfect to keep you feet disease free.

Low Drag
03-08-09, 08:27
Why foot powder. You own urine works perfect to keep you feet disease free.

Well that's a new one....... It may well keep feet disease free, but me thinks that once you have an open sore/blister it's not the best thing in the world. Same for other areas where you get skin rashes like the crotch or pits.

Do you put urine on your feet now?

Either way LandLord has a good set up. The guy at this link put his experience and thoughts together after having to evacuate for Katrina. There's some good stuff here.

http://www.theplacewithnoname.com/blogs/klessons/p/0006.html

sjc3081
03-08-09, 09:04
Urine is like magic when it comes to controlling foot rot, nail fungus and athletes foot.
I'm not screwing around. Urine works far better than prescription foot creams, oral medications and powder. Yes I piss on my toes every week. Morning first urine works the best.

Outlander Systems
03-08-09, 10:03
The pee-pee trick sounds interesting. Is there some science behind this? I've often heard that wherever there is a toxin, nature's cure isn't too far away.

K.L. Davis
03-08-09, 13:13
The pee-pee trick sounds interesting. Is there some science behind this?
The theory is that urine contains Urea and Ammonia, the former being found in many OTC foot medications, and the later being well known as a disinfectant; however, the most popular and vocal proponent of the practice (that I can think of) is Madonna, the (former) pop singer.

I would not dispute that there are possible medicinal qualities... however in a disaster/survival situation, I am not sure I would rely on it -- Medicated foot powder has other benefits, outside of the boots, that put it on my list of things to bring.

Keep in mind, I am not a Doctor... but when someone tells me that a great way to prevent foot fungus is to tinkle on your toes then wash them off really well -- I suspect that the second operation is doing as much or more to accomplish the mission than the first.

Now, as for Jellyfish stings... that is another thing all together :eek: But, the topic is Bug-Out-Bags...

MarshallDodge
03-08-09, 13:50
Nice bag Dave5339.

I am curious as to why you have so much redundancy for ways to make a fire, and multiple batteries.

I have a PSK (Personal Survival Kit) that is uses that same bag as yours and it works great.

Vic303
03-08-09, 14:02
Marshall, the cr123's will work in the Streamlight TL-2, but you still don't get good run times if you use the incan bulb. He may have also had a SF 6P stuck in the bag later that is not in the pics. Those of course take 2xcr123 and are good for an hour/pair. The AA batteries are for the cell charger and for the ham HT alkaline pack. The AA's also run his EDC Lumapower LM31 light on his regular belt.

LonghunterCO
03-08-09, 14:56
Nice bag Dave5339.

I am curious as to why you have so much redundancy for ways to make a fire, and multiple batteries.


Fire keeps you from freezing, keeps your water from freezing, cooks the food, boils the water (killing the bugs)so you can drink it, smoke from the fire keeps the bugs away, flames from the fire keeps the four legged animals away, fire/smoke can be used to signal for help, smokes preserves the meat so that it does not spoil as fast, Etc..
Fire has a huge psychological boost to the cold, wet, hungery, and lost. Don't leave home without at least three ways to make it happen, becuase lighters break and matches run out or get wet. As long as you know haw to use them, I doubt that one can have too many ways of starting fire on them.

MarshallDodge
03-08-09, 15:03
Marshall, the cr123's will work in the Streamlight TL-2, but you still don't get good run times if you use the incan bulb. He may have also had a SF 6P stuck in the bag later that is not in the pics. Those of course take 2xcr123 and are good for an hour/pair. The AA batteries are for the cell charger and for the ham HT alkaline pack. The AA's also run his EDC Lumapower LM31 light on his regular belt.

I had the same issue. Batteries for the flashlight and the GPS. I abandoned the Surefire for a mini maglite with the LED upgrade and it takes AA batteries, the same as my GPS.

I have never been in a bug out situation but I have done some hiking and primitive camping where you had to haul all of your gear in. Every ounce counts in these situations and I would rather have the weight for food and water than the extras. Just my personal preference. :)

BAC
03-08-09, 15:15
Few questions for the guys devising these bug-out bags:

How long are you packing for?
Where are you bugging out from?
Where are you bugging out to?
Have you accounted for personal identification?
Do you plan to be armed? If so, with what?

The first three are the most important, I think, because they will ultimately determine the size and type of pack you need, and your packing list. The fourth question is just something that everyone seems to forget. The last question should be a "duh" for everyone living in a free state. ;)


-B

dave5339
03-08-09, 16:02
Marshall,

My load out in my bag was put together with the idea that it needed to get me home from work, (about 18 miles) in any contingency. Something it did very well when I gave everything a trial run, (did the whole walk with gear).

I am probably a bit heavy in the fire department. However having experienced the opps, the dang bic doesn't work, or the who the heck got the matches wet, I'd rather be safe than sorry. Carrying the extra couple of ounces and having multiple ways of making a fire for me is no big deal.

If I need to worry about the weight I am carrying I'll go for the big guns and try and remove pounds from around my middle rather than ounces out of my pack. :D

Semper Fi

geminidglocker
03-08-09, 16:10
MRE pouches take up less space when the are out of the cardboard sleeves. If your worried about them being accidentally torn and leakin', just fold some duct tape around the edges. Then you also have some duct tape. I love the whiskey, looks like my bag requires the whiskey retro-fit.

MarshallDodge
03-08-09, 16:35
My load out in my bag was put together with the idea that it needed to get me home from work, (about 18 miles) in any contingency. Something it did very well when I gave everything a trial run, (did the whole walk with gear).

Excellent!

Outlander Systems
03-08-09, 18:25
Few questions for the guys devising these bug-out bags:

How long are you packing for?
Where are you bugging out from?
Where are you bugging out to?
Have you accounted for personal identification?
Do you plan to be armed? If so, with what?

The first three are the most important, I think, because they will ultimately determine the size and type of pack you need, and your packing list. The fourth question is just something that everyone seems to forget. The last question should be a "duh" for everyone living in a free state. ;)


-B

B: Excellent question.

The 72-hour B.O.B. isn't good enough. I'm trying to field-test my kit, and get a feel for what I want in the loadout and what I don't want. I've stashed multiple, redundant, fire-starting supplies as well. I'm trying to pack the standard necessities, but as well determine what items will become survival-force multipliers. I'm only going to figure the last one out, by trying it out. I definitely need to add some fishing supplies to the kit, since that's going to be the easiest source of protein short of spiders, which, by the way, have the highest protein to weight ratio of any creature IIRC. I'd like to at least go a month or longer. Since the AT has been conquered, I believe with the right tools, the proper attitude, and more field-testing, the time spent roughing it can teach what works and what doesn't. Tricks like the pee-pee, are definitely force-multipliers, since a pack item can be discarded for something readily available.

I am bugging out from the City. This is the LAST place I want to be if the proverbial poo-poo hits the brasso magnet.

My bug-out location? Anywhere but the city. I've been scouring the countryside, looking for land, but it's a no-go. I've got a few spots in mind, also a few boon-dock livin' friends I might plan to visit, if I'm welcomed. Escape location is variable depending on the disaster at hand.

Personal ID is no issue. Short of a complete breakdown of all civilised society, I have my pooch-tags, and a tattoo of my SSN. Short of being burned alive, number two should work.

As far as armament, I got to thinking about that quite a bit this morning. I estimate the pack will weigh close to 40lbs when finished. Keep in mind a loaded PMag clocks in at over a lb. Determining the proper loadout, weaponwise is something I'm going to have to decide, once the main bag is done. I'd like a .22 handgun and a couple of boxes of ammo in the pack at some point. Obviously, since this is M4Carbine.net, a combat-blaster is coming along, as well as a sidearm. I loaded two HK USP .45 mags onto the exterior of my pack, since they were sitting in a nightstand, and that would be my go-to, Bug-Out pistol. I don't foresee busting loose with every mag I own for the carbine, so I'd have to consult my buddy to see what his setup is like in Iraq. That being said, he's also got support, and a FOB, so his needs would be different, but it would be some good advice in regards to a weapon loadout.

It's all variable. I'd love nothing more than to keep the pack in the 30-40 lbs range, but I don't think it's going to happen.

This is also the reason I'm moving toward ultralight supplies in regards to stoves, tents, sleeping bags, etc. since the ultra-light, thru-hiking ideas are mandatory to offset self-defense kit.

Gentoo
03-09-09, 06:38
Q tips.

bpw
03-09-09, 20:53
A small LED headlamp is very handy when you need to see and use both hands. Princeton Tec has some nice ones. b

Rider
03-10-09, 23:48
The toe pissing trick does work. Also, DONT forget aspirin/advil and an anitbiotic.

bkb0000
03-11-09, 02:00
and copenhagen.. at least two rolls

Outlander Systems
03-15-09, 11:32
Update I: Cookin'

Crosslink to OT: http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=27493

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5113/jetboilkit.jpg

I opted to go with the Jetboil PCS, for my stove. Right off the bat, I appreciate the fact that the entire system is self-contained, and can be packed inside the cooking pot. After reading countless reviews, and manufacturer "shootouts", the Jetboil won for fuel efficiency. The fact that the built-in igniter was present, meant that I could extend the fire starting materials I've got in my ruck for a longer period of time. As well, if the piezo fails, there are cheap upgrade kits available that are small enough to pack in with the stove (think carrying a spare bolt/firing pin for your blaster).

As well, I scored a SeaToSummit set of utensils. Of most importance to the Jetboil is the long spoon, since it allows to reach the depths of the pot, where a standard spoon would let you down.

Upon removing the lid, you can see the heating element/stove portion packed-in:
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8237/jetboilkit2.jpg

After removing the heating element, underneath is the small fuel canister:
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/2943/jetboilkit3.jpg

Completely Unpacked Kit:
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/4737/jetboilkit4.jpg

Packed-Up, Ready for Storage:
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/7465/jetboilkit5.jpg

Inserted into Side Pouch of Ruck:
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/3803/jetboilkit6.jpg

Snug as a Stove in a Ruck:
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/4635/jetboilkit7.jpg

I'm pretty satisfied with my choice. The lightweight nature of the system allows for offsets for heavier items. The stove clocks in at less than 1lb.

One caveat: The "B" type control valve models have been recalled, due to a possibility of leaking. Jetboil will repair or replace any units that have this valve. The manufactured dates were in 2008. Fortunately, I have an A-type unit, so I'm unaffected by the recall, but it's a good heads-up, and something to look for, if you decide to go the JB route. Verify, before purchase, that the stove you're getting has either the "A" or "C" valve.

http://www.jetboil.com/sites/all/themes/whitejazz/images/recall_images.jpg

Some reviews of the Jetboil:
http://www.backpackgeartest.org/mfr_reviews/Jetboil

The best comparison I've found online between the systems I've been eyeballing:
http://www.trailspace.com/news/2007/01/17/integrated-canister-stove-showdown.html

Video Review of the Jetboil PCS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v92sh9PPbdE

Last, but certainly not least, JETBOIL RECIPES:
http://www.jetboil.com/recipes

SeriousStudent
03-15-09, 11:49
Thanks for the info. I had been looking forward to reading about your choice.

Outlander Systems
03-15-09, 14:43
Update II: Bleedin'

For the Ruck, I've assembled a very cheap, and very basic First Aid Kit.

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/8813/55590206.jpg

1 ) Two Pair of Latex Gloves
2 ) 3 Large "Surgical" Gauze Pads
3 ) 3 Small Gauze Pads
4 ) 1 Roll of Gauze
5 ) 1 Tube of Neosporin
6 ) 1 Roll of Waterproof Medical Tape
7 ) 3 Antiseptic Wipes
8 ) 1 Small Bottle Antibacterial Sanitizer
9 ) 1 Tweezer
10) An assortment of "loose" Band-Aids

It's a pretty basic setup. I may throw a sewing needle, and some sort of nylon thread for "field stitchin'". I'd like to throw some hemostatic agent in as well, at some point.

Kit Contents in Insert:
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/7425/62373199.jpg

Boxed Up:
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2748/54233339.jpg

Ready for Bleedin':
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/6475/32635404.jpg

It's simple. It's basic. It's extremely featherlight. It's compact. It makes for a decent ruck kit. I may expand on it at some point in the future. In a SHTF scenario, I don't believe I'll be carrying a dedicated medical/trauma kit as well.

SeriousStudent
03-15-09, 14:55
If you are going to be walking a lot, have you considered a triangular bandage or ace wrap?

They have many uses, and would be useful if you twist an ankle or injure a joint. I had to walk a pretty good distance on a broken ankle once, and those two items were quite helpful.

I would actually lean towards the triangular bandage if weight and space are at a premium. Which is usually the case, if one is carrying their gear on their back.

Outlander Systems
03-15-09, 14:58
Good point, SeriousStudent; I definitely need some sort of break/sprain treatment.

I'm still considering 90mph tape and some sticks as well...

SeriousStudent
03-15-09, 16:47
Indeed. Improvisation and knowledge are the core skills for wilderness medicine.

If you have an opportunity, it may be worth your while to track down a Wilderness EMT or First Responder syllabus or manual. They often have a good bit of "guided discussion" on topics such as that. I have one buried under a small mountain of books someplace.

JSGlock34
03-15-09, 16:59
I saw the initial post on hygiene kits. If you fly internationally (across the pond), the airline often gives passengers a very compact hygiene kit with some bare essentials - compact toothbrush, toothpaste, comb, lip balm, etc. You can often get an extra or two if you ask nicely. Get rid of the silly sleeping mask and socks, throw in some small bottles of body wash and shampoo from the hotel, and it's not a bad start for a short duration, compact hygiene kit.

sewvacman
03-16-09, 09:39
I would trade out the whiskey and antiseptics for grain alcohol. Nice setup, some good ideas.

Spade
03-16-09, 13:25
Thanks for the pictures of the set up. I realise you have to take the amount of gear into accout, however when choosing a bug out bag is there a prefered size?

exkc135driver
03-17-09, 00:11
I've seen the JetBoil at REI and have been tempted, although so far I've stuck to my MSR SuperFly. But, it seems to me that in a SHTF scenario such that you actually need to BO with your BOB, you would be better off with a gasoline stove such as the one of the MSR models. It will be difficult to find gasoline but much more difficult to find fuel canisters. Plus, it doesn't matter what kind of gasoline you use as long as it's unleaded, whereas there are several different types of fuel canisters. Granted, fuel canisters are much more convenient and allow for better flame adjustability and easier use overall.

I still use my ancient Svea 123 occasionally and think that I would choose it over a canister stove, although I think a multi-fuel stove such as an MSR DragonFly, Internationale, or XGK would be a far better choice than either.

exkc135driver
03-17-09, 00:16
Disregard ... double post.

Hayduke
03-17-09, 13:47
as a longtime backpacker/climber with nearly 5K miles of backpacking under my feet i feel i have the wilderness travel/survival well versed and i will second the JetBoil system. the type of fuel it uses, while not as common as gasoline or K1, is actually very common in the outdoor retail world. any brand of fuel with that style screw-mount valve will work fine with any of those stoves. also look at sil-nylon tarps, packcovers, and stuffsacks for lightweight protection.

my own BOB system is actually my main backpacking setup. an internal frame backpack (i have a few for different trips but would go to my larger 5800 cu.in. pack for the added weight of the carbine/handguns/.22 and ammo.)

one thing i'd like to see more ppl consider is a solar charging unit like a Solio or any of the various Powerfilm sheets to charge radios, batteries, GPS, 2meters, etc.

the wife and i have a few different points outside the city to get to depending on the event and then from there to points farther away where more supplies await.

exkc135driver
03-17-09, 16:13
... the JetBoil system ... the type of fuel it uses, while not as common as gasoline or K1, is actually very common in the outdoor retail world.

That is exactly my point. For backpacking, canister stoves win on points of ease of use, convenience, and flame adjustability. But for SHTF/BOB use, I believe that gasoline will be difficult to find ... but it will be much easier to find than canister fuel. If the "outdoor retail world" -- REIs/Wal-Marts/Bass Pros/Cabelas/sporting goods/camping/hunting stores -- are all closed, whatcha gonna do? Can't siphon canister gas out of somebody's car. (Not that I would recommend it if you could.)

Hayduke
03-18-09, 12:09
it's definately a short-term tool to use as you travel to your destination, where you should have a woodburner and access to water/timber/game/orchard etc...

Outlander Systems
03-20-09, 07:07
Stoves are a multi-tiered approach.

If a fire is available, there's no need for a stove at that moment. The stove becomes advantageous when a time isn't available for fire prep and maintenance, such as foul weather, time, lack of available firewood, etc. A stove isn't the be-all/end-all, but it's a very handy tool to supplement traditional firecraft.

Sometimes, you just can't build a fire; hence the stove is a backpacker's best bud.

Outlander Systems
03-20-09, 20:43
Update III: "Survival Blanket"

Since every SHTF sack, is required to have a "Survival Blanket" of some kind, I added this:

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/7892/survivalbag.jpg

Basically a typical emergency blanket, in bag form, with a Ranger Green outer shell.

Outlander Systems
03-20-09, 20:49
Update IV: Odds 'n Ends

From the "Bug Out Bag: Test 1 (http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=27471)" thread:

"I learned that, despite not being in the lineup for items I'd been planning on integrating into my pack, a small E-Tool is desperately needed. As well, since all my gloves are for work, a dedicated pair is a necessity for the B.O.B. If the weather isn't nightmarish next weekend, I'll update this series of posts with firecraftin'."

Both problems solved. A pair of dedicated "BOB" gloves was added, as well as an ULTRA, and I mean ULTRA lightweight E-tool. The thing weighs 3.5oz.

Outdoor Research "Overlord" Gloves:

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/1715/orgloves.jpg

Sea-to-Summit i-Pood, Trowel:

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/1757/trowel1.jpg

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/5179/trowel2.jpg

Summary/Update: I desperately didn't want to add an E-tool to my kit, due to weight concerns. My experience with the lightweight, plastic trowels has been less than stellar, and most of the other ones I've encountered are too bulky, and have too much weight. At a measly 3.5oz it's almost paper-light. This thing rocks.

The gloves, are just plain bitchin'. Everything nice about the standard nomex flightgloves, updated.

More info on the gloves:
http://military.outdoorresearch.com/site/modular_glove_system.html

More info on the trowel:
http://www.seatosummit.com/products/display/60

Outlander Systems
03-21-09, 10:21
Update VI: Clothing - Base Layer

For my base layer, I've added UnderArmour man panties, UnderArmour short-sleeved shirts, and antimicrobial socks.

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/5664/baselayer1.jpg

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/2416/baselayer2.jpg

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/9223/baselayer3.jpg

The UA stuff is great, as it's extremely lightweight, and more importantly it isn't cotton. If you've not experienced it, it's a treat to behold. There's no binding whatsoever, which is pertinent to backpacking, as when you've got gear, straps, etc. moving around in relation to your body, it doesn't take long for your base layer to begin constricting around you. The other huge plus, is that moisture is not retained by the UA, lessening the chances of "field rot", and the general discomfort of damp clothing for long durations.

The downside to UA: Fire-Absorbency

UA gear turns into napalm when exposed to flame. It could be considered anti-nomex, as instead of retarding flame, it promotes it in a very, very bad way. Something to consider, when going for a base layer. To me, the benefits far outweigh the risk. YMMV.

As for the socks; fresh socks can be one of the biggest morale boosters, EVER. I once went almost three weeks without changing socks in '99. Putting a fresh pair of socks on was like going to a spa.

*Quick Tip: Deodorant is an anti-blistering agent. If you rub deodorant on "hot spots" before they become blisters, the lubrication won't cause moisture retention leading to trench foot like other products, and will reduce the friction between your feet and your boots. I've been breaking in a pair of Bates Enforcer Jump Boots with no blistering from this little trick.

'Til next time,
Mike

Mac5.56
03-22-09, 10:19
*Quick Tip: Deodorant is an anti-blistering agent. If you rub deodorant on "hot spots" before they become blisters, the lubrication won't cause moisture retention leading to trench foot like other products, and will reduce the friction between your feet and your boots. I've been breaking in a pair of Bates Enforcer Jump Boots with no blistering from this little trick.



This I did not know. Thank you for sharing! Is there a certain kind of deodorant that works, or is it all deodorant? I am curious if it is only anti-perspirant that does this.

Outlander Systems
03-22-09, 10:46
Basically any deodorant. The waxy texture will greatly reduce friction, and unlike vaseline or lotions, won't induce/encourage Athelete's Foot.

Outlander Systems
03-22-09, 18:38
Update VII: Sleep System

Snugpak Softie Elite I

Ultralite Therm-A-Rest Camp Matress

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/6287/snoozin.jpg

Pretty simple. Pretty basic. Personally, it's my assertion that your sleep system should be your primary, and most pressing, objective, matched only by firecrafting, when assembling your kit.

Outlander Systems
03-22-09, 20:25
Update VIII: Clothing - Transitional Mid Layer

Gen 2 ECWCS Parka Liner
Polartec Fleece Cap F8405-01-524-2671

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6148/coldweather.jpg

vbrtrmn
03-24-09, 15:41
Consider a balaclava, instead of that fleece hat, I have two which I use for winter motorcycling. they're setup so you can use them as: a full hood, lower face cover (up to the bridge of your nose), or just around your neck. They're made of the same fleece material, but are a lot more versatile. A lot of times when I'm riding, it isn't cold enough to warrant having the full hood on, so I just wear it around my neck, I find it better than a scarf, because they tend to become unraveled and whip around in the wind.

Hayduke
03-30-09, 17:05
i keep a Hennessy Hammock in both my vehicle bags. smaller than most tents and you do not need a sleeping pad/level/dry ground either.....just two trees.

Jaddra
09-03-09, 11:02
Very nice BOB indeed, quality items with good protection from moisture/water... I did not see any communication equipment but I am guessing you just didn't include it in the pictures. I am currently using ILBE Marine Pack by Propper, Inc and even with its small size (1700-1900cc storage space) fits very good all my equipment. One thing I learned was to keep my extra socks dry in the bag by placing them in a Ziploc or similar packaging. Overall very impressed with your selection :)

Everyday3
12-02-10, 15:26
What bag and color is that? Been trying to decide on a good BOB bag but havent had much luck yet. Live in atlanta Ga too and your bag has peaked my curiosity. Any help or info you could give me would be helpful.

Naxet1959
12-02-10, 17:05
Nav Collapse-Did you really spend $150+ for those gloves?

Gotta check into the Under Armour gig. How are their briefs in comparison?

Outlander Systems
12-04-10, 16:41
...Absolutely not. They are pretty decent gloves, but not worth more than $40.00. I got 'em at Brigade QM when they were going out of business for $10.00. :secret:

Currently I'm rocking some Hatch Reactor hard-knuckle gloves; which in my humble opinion, are less comfortable but leaps and bounds more durable.

I don't know about UA's briefs - I'm a strictly boxer/"no window" kinda dude. I'm an "elephant trunker". That being said, I've attempted to replace UA nuthuggers with other brands, and nothing comes close. I've got a pair from '07 that're still in awesome shape.

drrufo
12-04-10, 18:03
I just went to Major Surplus in Gardena CA, and found that they have changed their direction as far as the store stock is concerned.
They are carrying more updated clothes and VooDoo Tactical gear, less old style surplus or euro-trash equipment.
They have plenty of MREs and other dried food.
As to heating or cooking they carry the old style folding stove with the after dinner mint style tabs that fit into a quart size zip loc bag.
If you are equipping on a budget try their website.

usmcvet
12-04-10, 23:10
Great info/thread.

I was going to chime in about the flammable UA but you covered it. I have a buddy who was burned wearing UA and I sweat like crazy wearing the stuff. It is super light and warm.

I missed the boat on BQM going out of business.

BugOutBoy
12-05-10, 21:08
Nice backpack. I have the same one but in black. I was also sold by the MOLLE. I find that it really presses down on the shoulders when I hike with it. After a couple miles of hiking, I have to stop for a few minutes to take it off and rest my shoulders. I'm actually thinking about finding something to replace it. I tried an Osprey 85L backpack at the Outdoor store and the difference was amazing. Barely any pressure on the shoulders and the pack rides higher up my back which makes for a much more comfortable hike. The cost about $300 so I can't afford that but I'm gonna try save up for one.

VSP733
12-10-10, 21:06
I had the same issue. Batteries for the flashlight and the GPS. I abandoned the Surefire for a mini maglite with the LED upgrade and it takes AA batteries, the same as my GPS.

I have never been in a bug out situation but I have done some hiking and primitive camping where you had to haul all of your gear in. Every ounce counts in these situations and I would rather have the weight for food and water than the extras. Just my personal preference. :)

Good light idea, I bought two Safari-land RLS tactical lights that run a long time on AAA batteries after being disappointed in my expensive cr123 eater. The light can be fitted to a gun rail or clipped to your belt, not to mention it has the LED bulb and is tough. When I still worked the road I kept one on my duty belt. (now that I'm in the office, I still keep it on my belt). :D

huklbrry
12-14-10, 13:56
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13MPG
12-21-10, 23:13
Some good info in here. I just received my ILBE pack today. Right now I am trying to get my thoughts together on how it’s going to be packed. I know it’s a large pack but my thoughts were that I would have different gear in it during the fall/winter than I would the spring/summer. I think that all of the compression straps along the sides will snug it down enough that when it’s not as full the pack will still be close to my back.

rat31465
12-22-10, 06:43
hmm.. starting to rethink my BOB... all mine has in it is 50 loaded pmags and some porn

Almost spit coffee on the keyboard over this one. :blink:

zekus480
01-18-11, 10:08
having to BO in the winter is going to be a lot harder. 3 day packs and range bags aint gonna get it done. especially if you have a family and have to ditchthe BOV because of gridlock. i plan for the worst case which is having to move for a long distance (150 miles +) to get to my GOOD destination. Anyone else planning on using a backpacking pack, 3 piece USGI sleep system, and other GI cold weather equipment?

Dionysusigma
01-18-11, 12:43
Not really a BOB, but a listing of my GDI kit (G*d D*mmit Kit):

1) Nice shaving kit that was a gift, containing:
- Razor
- Shave soap
- Badger brush
- Shave oil
2) Additions to the shaving kit, including:
- Toothbrush and paste
- Soap
- Comb
- Shampoo
- Deodorant
- Wash cloth and towel
3) Two MREs (one fills me up for the day), bag of leftover Halloween candy
4) Two packs of cigarettes, one lighter
5) Complete change of work uniform
6) Bottle of Johnny Walker
7) Two novels
8) MP3 player and headphones
9) Couple of blankets
10) Spare cell phone charger
11) Flashlight (Maglite AA with LED emitter and click tailcap)

The most likely scenario is that I'll get snowed-in at work (has happened to others over the past four to five years), and my building has restrooms (including a shower in one), back-up generators, and really good security (Federal surveillance and armed personnel combined with everyone knowing everyone else).

Regarding major disasters and the need to relocate, I have friends within a tank of gas in most direction that owe me a couple of favors. Not to say I'm not building a more... intense pack, but it's not a strong priority at the moment. :)

PieceKeeper
01-18-11, 14:55
I won't go into all of the contents of my BOB now but I wanted to call out this item specifically. I carry an MSR WhisperLite Internationale stove, 20oz fuel canister and parts kits in each of my BOB's.

There are two features with this setup that impressed me. The first being multi-fuel capable. It can run on white gas, kerosene, jet fuel and unleaded automobile fuel. In a situation where you don't know what kind of fuel you're going to have available to you, makes this my choice for SHTF bugging out. The second is the weight. The stove is a backpacking stove and by itself is 11oz.

My reasoning for carrying the stove instead of making a fire is for reasons of stealth/security. Smoke can be seen a long way off. Also, this way I can have some hot meals along with MRE's and snacks which will mix up the selection a bit and given I have kids and they would get picky after a day or two eating the same thing. This will also allow me to use the fuel I do have conservatively.

EchoMirage
01-18-11, 16:57
you can also use a stove indoors, in a tent, car, etc.

Outlander Systems
01-18-11, 17:20
you can also use a stove indoors, in a tent, car, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_monoxide

EchoMirage
01-19-11, 07:58
i figured proper ventilation was a given and didnt have to be said

LonghunterCO
01-19-11, 08:51
I won't go into all of the contents of my BOB now but I wanted to call out this item specifically. I carry an MSR WhisperLite Internationale stove, 20oz fuel canister and parts kits in each of my BOB's.

There are two features with this setup that impressed me. The first being multi-fuel capable. It can run on white gas, kerosene, jet fuel and unleaded automobile fuel. In a situation where you don't know what kind of fuel you're going to have available to you, makes this my choice for SHTF bugging out. The second is the weight. The stove is a backpacking stove and by itself is 11oz.

My reasoning for carrying the stove instead of making a fire is for reasons of stealth/security. Smoke can be seen a long way off. Also, this way I can have some hot meals along with MRE's and snacks which will mix up the selection a bit and given I have kids and they would get picky after a day or two eating the same thing. This will also allow me to use the fuel I do have conservatively.

During my ultralite backpacking days we were running the WhisperLite international stove. Even with my wild a** weight reduction steps we always ended up carrying lids and wind screens for our cooking setups. You might be suprised what they can save in fuel on a long trip. Just my 0.02.

1GIG
01-19-11, 11:04
Instead of a cooking pot/bowl/pan. Some heavy duty aluminum foil folded up works great. Or those little aluminum "banana bread" tins you can buy. Folded up takes a lot less room and weighs less. Can be unfolded and shaped for desired use. Cup, bowl, cook over fire with.

Wont last forever but cheap and light.