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Outlander Systems
03-15-09, 17:05
Since the bulk of this forum is related to two-legged predators, this thread is focused on some of the threats you're likely to encounter in the wild. This thread is skewed for my particular area of familiarity: The Southeastern United States.

Part I - Snakes

The Copperhead:

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Description: Copperheads are fairly large – 24 - 40 in (61 - 102 cm), heavy-bodied snakes with large, triangular heads and elliptical pupils (cat eyes). The body is tan to brown with darker hourglass-shaped crossbands down the length of the body. Individuals from the Coastal Plain often have crossbands that are broken along the center of the back. The head is solid brown, and there are two tiny dots in the center of the top of the head. Juveniles resemble adults but have a bright yellow tail tip. As pit-vipers they have facial pits that sense heat and are used to detect prey and predators. Male copperheads are larger than females. Many harmless species in our region are confused with this species but copperheads are the only species with hourglass-shaped crossbands (all other species have blotches that are circular, square, or are widest down the center of the back).

Range and Habitat: Copperheads range throughout the eastern and central United States but are absent from most of Florida and south-central Georgia . Although copperheads are found in forested areas throughout most of South Carolina and Georgia , their habitat preferences change across our region. In the Mountains, copperheads are most common on dry rocky hillsides and sometimes den communally with Timber Rattlesnakes (Crotalus horridus) on open, south-facing hillsides. In the Coastal Plain copperheads are most abundant in lowland hardwood forest and swamp margins. Copperheads are quite tolerant of habitat alteration and remain common in suburban areas of many large cities.

Habits: Copperheads can be found during the day or night, but forage primarily after dark during the hotter parts of the season. In the Piedmont and Coastal Plain they are frequently observed crossing roads on warm nights. In the Mountains, Copperheads are often found by day basking on rock outcrops or coiled in ambush postures. Copperheads are opportunistic feeders and are known to consume a variety of prey, including amphibians, lizards, snakes, small mammals, birds, and insects. Copperheads mate in the spring, at which time males move long distances in search of females. Females give live birth to 7 – 10 (up to 20) young in the late summer and probably only reproduce every other year. The young have bright yellow tail tips that they wiggle to attract prey such as frogs and lizards. Because they are common in forested habitats and are well-camouflaged, copperheads are responsible for the majority of the snakebites in the Southeast each year. Luckily, copperhead venom is not very potent and deaths from copperhead bites are exceedingly rare. Most snake bites occur when someone tries to kill or harass a snake, so the best way to avoid a bite is to leave any snake you find alone.

The Cotton Mouth / Water Moccasin:

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Description: Cottonmouths are venomous semi-aquatic snakes often referred to as “water moccasins.” They have large, triangular heads with a dark line through the eye, elliptical pupils, and large jowls due to the venom glands. They are large – 24 - 48 in (61 - 122 cm), keeled-scaled, heavy-bodied snakes. Their coloration is highly variable: they can be beautifully marked with dark crossbands on a brown and yellow ground color or completely brown or black. Older adults are often dark and solid-colored whereas the juveniles are brightly patterned with a sulphur yellow tail tip that they wiggle to attract prey. The belly typically has dark and brownish-yellow blotches with the underside of the tail being black. As pit-vipers they have facial pits that sense heat and are used to detect prey and predators. Male cottonmouths are larger than females.

Range and Habitat: Cottonmouths range throughout the Southeast, north to southeastern Virginia . In our region Cottonmouths are generally restricted to the Coastal Plain but are found in a few Piedmont locations west of Atlanta , Georgia . They can be found in nearly all freshwater habitats but are most common in cypress swamps, river floodplains, and heavily-vegetated wetlands. Cottonmouths will venture overland and are sometimes found far from permanent water. Cottonmouths often congregate around drying pools in wetlands to feed on trapped fish and amphibians.

Habits: Cottonmouths can be found during the day or night, but forage primarily after dark during the hotter parts of the season. Throughout much of their range, they can be found year-round, even in sunny days in the winter. Cottonmouths bask on logs, rocks, or branches at the water's edge but seldom climb high in trees (unlike many of the nonvenomous watersnakes which commonly bask on branches several feet above the water). They employ both ambush and active foraging strategies. Cottonmouths are opportunistic feeders and are known to consume a variety of aquatic and terrestrial prey, including amphibians, lizards, snakes (including smaller cottonmouths), small turtles, baby alligators, mammals, birds, and especially fish. Cottonmouths mate in the early summer at which time male-to-male combat occurs in competition for females. Females have litters of 1-20 live young every 2-3 years. The young are large (20-33 cm) and have bright yellow tail tips. The cottonmouth receives its name from the whiteness of the interior of its mouth that it exposes as a defensive display. This species is often confused with nonvenomous watersnakes, but watersnakes typically flee immediately if on land or in a tree, usually going underwater, whereas cottonmouths frequently stand their ground and gape to deter a predator. Despite their aggressive reputation, research has indicated that cottonmouths will seldom bite unless stepped on or picked up. When not alarmed, cottonmouths can be readily recognized when swimming because most of their body is above the water's surface.

The Eastern Diamondback Rattlesnake:

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Description: The Eastern Diamondback Rattlesnake is the largest of the 32 species of rattlesnake currently recognized. They are large, heavy-bodied snakes with large, broad heads with two light lines on the face. Adults are usually 33-72 in (84-183 cm) long, but the largest individual on record was 96 in (244 cm). Mature snakes can tip the scales at over 10 lbs. The background color is brown, tan, or yellowish and covered with the namesake diamonds, which are brown and surrounded by lighter scales. Males are larger than females.

Range and Habitat: Diamondback Rattlesnakes are restricted to the Lower Coastal Plain of the Southeast, from southern North Carolina to eastern Louisiana, although the stronghold of their range is in Florida and southern Georgia . This species usually inhabits dry sandy areas, palmetto or wiregrass flatwoods, pinewoods, coastal dune habitats, or hardwood hammocks. They generally avoid wet areas but sometimes live along the edges of swamps. They are accomplished swimmers and even travel through saltwater to and from barrier islands. In many locations this species relies heavily on gopher tortoise (Gopherus polyphemus) burrows during winter months.

Habits: Like most large pitvipers Eastern Diamondbacks spend most of their time coiled in palmetto thickets or other thick vegetation to ambush prey. Most movement between locations occurs during the day, and is mostly restricted to the morning and evening in summer. Diamondbacks spend the winter in stump holes or tortoise burrows but may emerge on warm winter days to bask. This species feeds almost exclusively on mammals, particularly rabbits. Mating occurs in the spring and fall and females give birth to 12 – 24 young in the late summer. Diamondbacks grow slowly, taking several years to reach maturity, and adult females only reproduce every 2-3 years.

The Canebrake / Timber Rattlesnake:

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Description: Timber rattlesnakes, which are called canebrake rattlesnake in the Coastal Plain of the Southeast, are large, heavy bodied snakes with the characteristic rattles on the end of the tail. Adults range from 30-60 in (76-152 cm) with the record being more than 6 feet (183 cm) long. Canebrakes are usually gray and may even have a pink hue and a pinkish, yellow, orange, or brown stripe running the length of the back. Timber rattlers are typically more brown or yellowish and may even be black. Both forms have solid black tails that appear almost velvet and black chevrons on the back and sides with the point of the (V) pointing forward. The babies are miniatures of the adults but are usually a lighter gray and have only a single button (rattle) on the tip of the tail at birth. Males get larger than females.

Range and Habitat: Timber and canebrake rattlesnakes have a wide distribution in the eastern United States but the species is absent from most of Florida. This snake occurs in a wide variety of terrestrial habitat including lowland cane thickets, high areas around swamps and river floodplains, hardwood and pine forests, mountainous areas, and rural habitats in farming areas. They typically become reduced in numbers in highly urbanized or areas of housing development.

Habits: Timber and canebrake rattlesnakes become active above ground by late spring and can be seen periodically until the onset of cold weather in late fall. Canebrakes are active during both day and night but spend the majority of their time coiled in ambush positions ready to capture prey. These rattlesnakes hibernate during cold weather. Timber rattlers congregate in dens in mountainous areas whereas canebrakes often overwinter alone in stump holes or beneath ground cover. They eat mostly small rodents when young, and large individuals kill and eat squirrels and rabbits. Females usually do not reach maturity until at least 5 years old and typically wait at least 2 or 3 years between litters. The live young are born in late summer or early fall around the time that courtship and mating occurs. Large male canebrake rattlesnakes are often seen in late summer or early fall in search of mates. Although reaching large sizes, most individuals are docile when encountered in the wild and often will remain coiled or stretched out without moving. If threatened, however, they will not hesitate to deliver a serious bite.

The Pygmy Rattlesnake:

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Description: This small [14–22 in (38-56 cm)] rattlesnake belongs to the genus Sistrurus and is commonly referred to as a pigmy rattler or ground rattler. Unlike the larger rattlesnakes of the genus Crotalus, this species has nine large scales on top of the head and a tiny rattle that can seldom be heard. There are three subspecies of pigmy rattlesnakes, of which two occur in Georgia (Sistrurus miliarius miliarius – the Carolina pigmy rattler and Sistrurus miliarius barbouri – the dusky pigmy rattler). Both subspecies have a row of mid-dorsal spots and a bar than runs from the eye to the base of the mouth, but the color of this bar can vary from black to brownish red. An orange or reddish brown dorsal stripe is also present on both subspecies. In young snakes, the tip of the tail is sulfur yellow and is used for caudal luring. The Carolina pigmy rattler can be gray, tan, or lavender. Some specimens from northern Georgia and eastern North Carolina are orange or red. The pattern of this subspecies is usually clean and well defined, with one or two rows of lateral spots. The venter is moderately patterned. The dusky pigmy ranges from bluish gray to nearly black. Numerous dark flecks often obscure the pattern of this subspecies. There are normally three rows of lateral spots, and the venter is heavily patterned.

Range and Habitat: The Carolina pigmy rattler is found in the northeastern, northwestern, and central portion of Georgia and throughout South Carolina . Dusky pigmy rattlers inhabits the southern Coastal Plain area. Although fairly common in the Coastal Plain of both states, populations in the Piedmont are few and scattered. Dusky pygmies inhabit areas near water sources like creeks, marshes, and swamps but can be found in a variety of habitats including pine and scrub oak sandhills, scrub pinewoods, mixed forests of pine and hardwoods, longleaf pine-wiregrass forests, swamps, and even xeric uplands. Carolina pigmies are generally restricted to drier habitats and are most common in sandhills and xeric pine forests. When available, this species is known to use gopher tortoise (Gopherus polyphemus) burrows as well as those of small mammals.

Habits: Pigmy rattlesnakes spend most of their time well-hidden among leaf litter and can be very hard to spot. From such hiding places they ambush a variety of prey including lizards, frogs, small mammals, and insects as well as centipedes. These snakes are most often encountered crossing roads on summer evenings. Females give birth to live young in the late summer or fall.

Dealing with Venomous Snakes:

Snakes are widely distributed. They are found in all tropical, subtropical, and most temperate regions. Some species of snakes have specialized glands that contain a toxic venom and long hollow fangs to inject their venom. Although venomous snakes use their venom to secure food, they also use it for self-defense. Human accidents occur when you don't see or hear the snake, when you step on them, or when you walk too close to them.

Snakes can strike about 2/3 of their body length. In other words, a snake that is 3feet long can strike from a distance of about 2 feet. However, you should usually give all poisonous snakes a wide berth; at least 15 feet.

Follow these simple rules to reduce the chance of accidental snakebite:

Don't sleep next to brush, tall grass, large boulders, or trees. They provide hiding places for snakes. Place your sleeping bag in a clearing. Use mosquito netting tucked well under the bag. This netting should provide a good barrier.

Don't put your hands into dark places, such as rock crevices, heavy brush, or hollow logs, without first investigating.

Don't step over a fallen tree. Step on the log and look to see if there is a snake resting on the other side.

Don't walk through heavy brush or tall grass without looking down. Look where you are walking.

Don't pick up any snake unless you are absolutely positive it is not venomous.

Don't pick up freshly killed snakes without first severing the head. The nervous system may still be active and a dead snake can deliver a bite.

Killin' Snakes:

If in a wilderness/survival situation, the two prefered methods of dispatching the serpent:

Obtain a stick, and club the snake. Be careful to remain out of its striking range.

Obtain a forked stick. Pin the snake down, as close to the head as possible with the forked section of stick. Bludgeon, or cut the snake.

FWIW, most of the snake slayers I've met use rat-shot in their handguns to dispatch snakes in the wild.

Finally, and most importantly,

Cooking Snake:

Snakes are quite common and generally unprotected in many parts of the world. While they do serve a purpose in nature, they also have delicious meat and possess skins that are often quite beautiful.The following steps will tell you how to skin, eviscerate, and prepare a snake for cooking. If the subject is not a rattlesnake, these instructions should still be applicable, with the exception of the ones regarding the rattle.

1) Remove the head. It is always best to work with a decapitated snake because even "dead" snakes have been known to strike, and the fangs are still quite dangerous. By removing the head, you are removing all venom.

2) Wash the outside of the snake thoroughly. Soapy water or even plain water will work well. Just make sure the soap is completely rinsed off of the snake.

3) Make an incision down the centerline of the belly, through the skin only, all the way from the stump where the head was attached to the base of the rattle. On most snakes, there is a smaller belly scale covering the cloaca. In the picture, this is the last cream-colored scale before the darker tail scales. Simply split this up the middle just like the rest of the scales.

4) Pull the skin from the flesh by hand, again beginning at the head end, using even tension on the skin to avoid tearing. Be sure to separate the skin from the membrane underneath right at the head end. You want clean skin with nothing attached to it. The hide should be loose enough that it easily detaches from the carcass. If the skin is a bit "tight", a knife may be used to carefully free it in the tough places. Peeling without the use of a knife can usually be accomplished all the way to the cloaca.

When the cloaca is reached, it is usually necessary to free it from the skin by cutting around the opening with the knife. Continue skinning to the base of the rattle. The attachments to the muscles that control the rattle generally make the hide harder to pull off. A knife must be used in this area if the skin is too tight to peel off, as the skin is rather delicate in this section.

After the skin is completely freed from all but the rattle itself, cut through the tail as close to the base of the rattle as possible. If the skin is to be saved with the rattle attached, it helps for the piece of flesh attached to the rattle to be small.

Don't fret too much about totally removing the flesh below the cloaca and above the rattles (basically the black and white banding on rattlesnakes). It is almost impossible to completely remove the skin from the flesh in this area. It will dry up easily

Constrictor snakes such as bull and rat snakes cannot be "peeled". Their skin is attached with many muscle attachments over the full length of the body. Cutting through them is tedious as it is hard to get the skin free from the flesh and very easy to cut or tear the skin.

5) Remove the viscera (innards) by hand, starting at the head end, using a scooping motion with the hand if the organs are difficult to remove. Care must be taken near the lower digestive region or the snake might excrete unappetizing substances on the meat.

6) Rinse the now eviscerated and skinned snake in cool water to remove any excess blood or other undesirable substances. Membrane and fat are often rather difficult to remove from the ribcage and backbone and can be cut free at this time.

7) Cut the snake into segments that are the most convenient length for the desired method of cooking.
Helpful Cooking Tips:

When dealing with a fresh snake, it is best to wait an hour or two before skinning after the snake is killed. It is amazing how much a dead snake can wiggle, and this makes it difficult to make a straight incision.

When cutting the snake into segments, make the cuts between and at the same angle as the ribs to avoid cutting the ribs. If the ribs are severed, they may be difficult to remove from the meat after it is cooked.

Snake is somewhere between chicken and fish in texture and flavor, and may be made to seem like either.

If the snake was bitten by itself or by another venomous snake, cooking will usually remove all venom. If you see any bite marks, however, proceed with caution.

Outlander Systems
03-15-09, 18:38
Part II - Gators

I've actually had more "face to face" experience with Alligators than I have with poisonous snakes. When working in South Georgia for six months in 2007, I stumbled upon wild gators on three seperate occasions. A possible fourth encounter may have occured, but no visual confirmation was noted. I was in a field of 6' tall grass, near a swamp, and heard something rustling the brush, that was very large. It made a wooshing noise, when moving, that was consistent with the thrashing of the tail. It definitely wasn't a deer, nor rabbit. Of note, in the area were several "gator holes", or burrows.

The most up-close encounter was actually on the side of a state highway. The "small" 4' gator was across a ditch from me, approximately 10' away. Attempts to "shoo" it away were unsuccessful. A broken socket wrench I had in the truck, quickly dispatched him.

One thing that was definitely impressive was the speed of these things on the ground. The gators I'd seen in the ponds were moving about in the water at a relaxed place, but the one near the highway escaped at a surprisingly rapid velocity.

Alligators are nasty creatures.

The American Alligator:

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Description: The American Alligator, Alligator mississippiensis, (known colloquially as simply gator) is one of the two living species of Alligator, a genus within the family Alligatoridae. The American Alligator is only native to the Southeastern United States, where it inhabits wetlands that frequently overlap with human-populated areas. It is larger than the other extant alligator species, the Chinese Alligator. The American Alligator has a large, slightly rounded body, with thick limbs, a broad head, and a very powerful tail. They generally have an olive, brown, gray or nearly black color with a creamy white underside. Algae-laden waters produce greener skin, while tannic acid from overhanging trees can produce often darker skin. Adult male alligators are typically 13 to 14.7 feet long (3.96 to 4.48 meters), while adult females average 9.8 feet (2.99 meters). One American Alligator allegedly reached a length of 19 feet, 2 inches (5.8 meters), which would make it the largest recorded. The tail, which accounts for half of the alligator's total length, is primarily used for aquatic propulsion. The tail can also be used as a weapon of defense when an alligator feels threatened. Alligators travel very quickly in water and while they are generally slow-moving on land, alligators can lunge short distances very quickly. They have five claws on each front foot and four on each rear foot. American Alligators have the strongest bite of any living animal, measured at up to 9452 newtons in laboratory conditions.

Range and Habitat: American alligators are mostly found in the Southeastern United States. They are also found in the U.S. states of North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas, Louisiana, Texas, and Oklahoma. Although primarily freshwater animals, alligators will occasionally venture into brackish water. Alligators live in wetlands and this is the vital habitat that holds the key to their continued long-term survival. Alligators depend on the wetlands, and in some ways the wetlands depend on them. As apex predators, they help control the population of rodents and other animals that might overtax the marshland vegetation. American alligators are less susceptible to cold than American Crocodiles. Unlike the American Crocodile which would quickly succumb and drown in water of 45 degrees (7.2 C), an alligator can survive in such temperatures for some time without apparent discomfort. It is thought that this adaptiveness is the reason why American alligators spread farther north than the American Crocodile. In fact, the American alligator is found farther from the equator and is more equipped to deal with cooler conditions than any other crocodilian.

Diet: Juveniles eat a wide variety of small invertebrates, particularly insects, and small fish and frogs. As they grow larger, their dietary range increases to include consequently large prey. Eventually, large adults can tackle nearly all aquatic and terrestrial prey that comes within range, although mostly this includes fish, turtles, relatively small mammals, birds and reptiles including small alligators. Alligators are, like all crocodilians, opportunistic feeders and will take carrion if it becomes available and they are sufficiently hungry. They may also expand their choice of prey to include small dogs and other pets. Alligators have been known in rare instances to attack children and even occasionally adults, usually because they mistake the human for much smaller prey, or they are provoked. In some areas, alligators are fed by humans, which is extremely dangerous and encourages alligators to approach humans aggressively expecting food. When left alone, alligators will stay away from humans and pose little threat. Feeding activity is governed by water temperature, with foraging activity ceasing if the temperature drops below 20 to 23°C (68 to 73°F).

Quick Facts: In the last 100 years of recordkeeping there have been only 30 confirmed deaths. Since 1948, there have only been 16 deaths.

Even though Florida's population has exploded expansively, the rate of alligator attacks remain the same. That means that either most alligators are retaining their natural fear of humans and/or humans are leaving them be and respecting them.

If left alone, most alligators will move away on their own. Being chased, having things thrown at them or being cornered will make them aggressive. When confronted, their "Flight or Fight" response will be to "Flight"...get out of there asap. If they can't, they will protect themselves aggressively. Like any other animal, only these are huge predators instead of say a cat or dog.

The largest alligator ever found was in the 19th century and it was 19 feet long. Usually males get no longer than 14 feet, and females 9-10 feet. They can weigh up to 1,000 pounds, though the weight of the average adult alligator is much less.

Juveniles are generally black with yellowish crossbands that fade away as they grow larger. When basking on land, adults appear a uniform dark grey or black

These apex predators go through an elaborate and romantic courtship display. They communicate with each other with head slaps against the water, loud growls and roars, referred to as bellows. They also produce sounds below our hearing. The only way we can tell if they are making theses sounds is to see the water around them vibrate. During courtship, there is a lot of delicate contact as well.

When ready to lay their eggs, females build a mound by digging a hole in vegetation. They lay their eggs inside the mound and cover them up. During incubation the vegetation decomposes, mantaining heat and moisture inside the nest. The female stays on or near the nest to protect it and she will do so aggressively.

When they hatch, the babies make a chirping sound. Mom hears them and digs them out, carrying them gently in her powerful jaws to the water. She will even help her young break out of shells. The clutch may winter with her, and she may watch over them, aggressively. When frightened or being threatened, the young will chirp in alarm, and Mom or another female may come to their aid in a full out attack charge.

Alligators can move rapidly in short bursts on land. In the water, they are very strong and silent swimmers. Their legs lay flush with their bodies as they use their extremely powerful tails for propulsion and they change direction by adjusting the position of their head in the water.

Depending on the time of year, alligators can spend several hours underwater. Or they will lay quietly without moving, with only their eyes and nostrils above water. While they are staying still, they can look like logs.

The muscles used to open their mouths are weak and can be pried open easily. However when an adult alligator bites down, it's with 2000 pounds of pressure per square inch.

Even though they have powerful tails, they mostly use their jaws and teeth for defense. A good tail whipping can easily knock you off your feet or throw you back. Because of the solid bones of their head and powerful neck muscles, they can inflict severe injury even when their jaws are tied shut by using their head as a club. They can injure you by a swing of their heads.

They are considered "ambush predators". They stay underwater, near the banks until they can reach their prey. Then they quickly lunge, grab their target and drag the prey underwater to drown it.

They are also known to eat carrion in the water.

They cannot chew their food. If they can't swallow their food whole, they will grab a chunk of flesh and rotate their bodies, or move their heads from side to side. Thus giving them a piece they can swallow. Alligators can eat in the water or on land.

Now, what everyone's been waiting for,

Cooking Alligator:

*Keep in mind, that it's recommended that only the tail be eaten.

(Interesting Alligator Nutrional Information - Alligator meat has a 10:1 calorie to protein ratio. For every ten calories of meat consumed, there will be one gram of protein).

Tail meat is white and tender while the body meat is somewhat tougher and darker. The meat tastes like chicken or mild white fish. It can be used as tail steak, stew meat, burger, wings (legs), sausage, or jerky.

Braised Gator:
Rinse crocodile or alligator tail meat and cut into cubes. Add spices in a skillet, if available. Add meat and a small amount of cooking liquid. Simmer until tender, about 40 minutes.

Pan-Fried Gator Stakes:
Rinse crocodile or alligator tail steaks and pat dry with a paper towel. (For blackened alligator steak, rub meat with a mixture of spices.) Heat a skillet until hot. Add oil. Sear steak for two minutes, turn and sear the other side for another two minutes. Larger steaks may take up to a total of five minutes.

Outlander Systems
03-15-09, 19:45
Part III - Wild Boar, Feral Hogs, Razorbacks

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Description: Feral hogs (Sus scrofa) include some nearly pure Eurasian or Russian wild boar, free-ranging domestic hogs, and all manner of hybrids between the two extremes. Most feral hogs are domestic hogs which have escaped into the wild or have been released for hunting purposes and now are free-ranging (See Map-Page 4). Their size and color vary greatly and depend upon their domestic breed and their nutrition during development. The number of generations they have lived in the wild also seems to influence their appearance. Descendants from stock whose ancestry has been in the wild for generations or even centuries tend to have the classic long snouts and lean appearance of the legendary "razorback"of southern folk culture. Pure Eurasian wild hogs (often referred to as "Russian" boar) differ in appearance from the average feral hog. This wild hog usually has longer legs, a larger head and a longer, flatter snout. Eurasian piglets are reddish brown with black longitudinal stripes. As the animals mature, the stripes disappear and their color changes to gray grizzled or black. Eurasian hogs generally have longer guard hair and a more distinct mane of guard hair running from the neck to the base of the tail than the domestic hog.

Range and Habitat: Feral hogs (a term covering all free-ranging hog
combinations) prefer the cover of dense brush for protection, but also may be
found in mature woodlands and grassy areas. During hot weather they spend
much of their time wallowing in swamps, wetlands, ponds, and streams close
to protective cover. Feral hogs are omnivorous and will eat anything from grain to carrion. Plant matter constitutes an important part of their diet. When available, acorns are preferred. They also consume roots and invertebrates such as centipedes, leeches, earthworms and crayfish. In certain areas, cultivated crops and row crops make up a significant portion of their diet. Wild hogs have been known to travel up to seven miles to feed on agricultural crops such as corn and
soybeans. They also may prey on ground nests, young wildlife, livestock, and
other small vertebrates.

Habits: Wild hogs are usually nocturnal, but they will have some daytime activity. Like their domestic relatives, wild hogs will east almost anything: flowering plants, mushrooms, snails, snakes, small mammals, bird eggs, salamanders, and carrion. But the mast crop is the mainstay of the wild hog diet. Because they have no sweat glands, hogs wallow in wet, muddy areas to keep cool and rid themselves of parasites. Wallowing is detrimental to the soil and plant life in the vicinity. The hog behavior of rooting while searching for food causes the most damage to agriculture. Many plant species, including ones that are rare or that take several years to flower, are eaten, trampled, or uprooted by the rototiller action of a foraging hog. Native animals are also victim to the wild hog through direct consumption, destruction of habitat, and competition. For example, red-cheeked salamanders, which are endemic to the park, are commonly found in hog stomachs. Both wallowing and rooting contaminate streams, causing potential problems for the native fish. Hog occupied drainages have been found to have a higher concentration of coliform bacteria than unoccupied drainages. These bacteria contaminate water sources, which is a health consideration in heavily used recreational areas such as a park.

Razorback Facts:

Various diseases of wild hogs include pseudorabies, swine brucellosis, tuberculosis, bubonic plague, tularemia, hog cholera, foot and mouth disease, and anthrax. Internal parasites include kidney worms, stomach worms, round worms and whipworms. Liver flukes and trichinosis are also found in hogs. External parasites include dog ticks, fleas and hog lice.

Swine Brucellosis is an infectious, bacterial, reproductive disease that can cause abortion, low conception rates and other problems. It is transmittable to humans, known as undulant fever, and causes flu-like symptoms such as fever, chills, aches and pains. It is treatable with specific antibiotics.

In a natural state, feral hogs will prefer to run and escape danger, and are not considered dangerous. Extreme caution should be maintained when tracking wounded animals, trapping animals or encountering females with young. Their razor sharp tusks combined with their lightning speed can cause serious injury.

Survival BBQ / Cookin' Swine:

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/4769/bbqq.jpg

To minimize wild taste try to kill the animal when he is at rest or does not know you are there. Dark cutting meat results in a rank off flavor. This is recognized by the meat industry, identified in the late 1800's as a phenomena when animals are agitated or frightened prior to death. Metabolic processes due to fear result in depleted lactic acid in the muscles(meat) this raises pH or lowers the acidity of the meat which allows bacteria to thrive. This results in a dark, sticky, gummy meat. This is common in game meat from animals killed on the run, or coursed or chased with dogs.

Skin it. Gut it. Find a metal rod. Shove metal rod down the hog's throat, making sure to push through the backside of the piggy.

Spit roasting a whole pig is part cooking science and part voodoo. Plan ahead and bring more of everything than you'd think you'd need. More charcoal, more wood, more basting materials and most importantly, more time. This shouldn't be a rush rush project.

Cook the pig for a long, long time, 9 hours or so. When the leg bone can be pulled out almost effortlessly, supper's ready.

Gutshot John
03-16-09, 00:03
If anyone goes to take a shooting class with jfreuler at Howell Woods Site, there is an excellent display of most these snakes in the offices next to the classroom.

Joe_Friday
03-16-09, 09:19
Another excellent writeup Landlord!

sjc3081
03-16-09, 12:43
Above listed animals are not nearly as dangerous as the common Felonious Mopeis. The Felonious Mopeis have a broad range of habitation but are identifiable by their unusual style of dress.

exkc135driver
03-17-09, 16:53
Part II - Gators

Alligators are nasty creatures.

Florida Gators, on the other hand, are personable, handsome, suave, debonair, highly intelligent, and all-around good fellows and boon companions.


Part II - Gators

They are also known to eat carrion in the water.

The Florida Gator likes nothing better than to snack on some nice tasty Georgia Bulldog.


Sorry, couldn't resist.

On second thought ... naaah, I'm not sorry. :D

Sidewinder6
03-17-09, 21:08
Dupe post.

Sidewinder6
03-17-09, 21:10
Florida Gators, on the other hand, are personable, handsome, suave, debonair, highly intelligent, and all-around good fellows and boon companions.



The Florida Gator likes nothing better than to snack on some nice tasty Georgia Bulldog.


Sorry, couldn't resist.

On second thought ... naaah, I'm not sorry. :D


Ah would this be the same school that used a Crocodile on the cover page of their athletic program two years ago. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Heavy Metal
03-17-09, 21:28
What?!? No coral snake?

RogerinTPA
03-17-09, 23:05
Excellent write up TheLandlord. Those gators can be found every freakin wear. There are companies that are set up to deal with snakes and gators around here. A lot of them can be found in people's pools in SE FL. A gator killed a woman walking her dog around a pond here a few years ago. Some dude fishing on a lake in Lakeland, FL, was dragged underwater and attacked by a gator. He woke up covered with brush with a mangled leg afterwards. The cops said he was lucky that the gator wasn't hungry at the time of the attack. It actually dragged him back to shore and covered him with brush, basically storing it's future meal. :eek:

LDM
03-18-09, 12:20
When shooting/hunting feral hogs,
Rule #1- Use enough gun;
Rule #2- If you are not sure if you are using enough gun... you aren't, get bigger gun;
Rule #3- If you wound a hog and are on ground, immediately find tree to climb... tall tree;
Rule #4- If wounded hog runs into bush, don't be in hurry to follow (particularly at dusk; if you have access to arty, call for fire mission);
Rule #5- When approaching wounded hog fighting a pack of dogs... aim carefully (behind ear worked for me).

Stay safe.

TOrrock
03-18-09, 12:36
Excellent post!

exkc135driver
03-18-09, 12:47
Despite my wise-ass response ... yes, it is an excellent post.

Thanx to LL for the stenciling info.

cosmok
03-18-09, 19:36
Awesome post Landlord, thanks for putting the time into it.

au1776
03-27-09, 18:57
Florida Gators, on the other hand, are personable, handsome, suave, debonair, highly intelligent, and all-around good fellows and boon companions.



The Florida Gator likes nothing better than to snack on some nice tasty Georgia Bulldog.


Sorry, couldn't resist.

On second thought ... naaah, I'm not sorry. :D

Unfortunately, the often successful Florida Gator has recently had significant problems with a variety of Tiger native to Eastern Alabama.

Hootiewho
08-13-09, 20:36
Having had Lyme and Rocky Mountain Spotted Tick Fever at the same time, being sick as hell for 6 months and still suffer with issues from the Lyme from time to time; some times the most dangerous critters in the woods are the ones that are almost invisible.

At the time I became ill, I had been installing some treestands on a new hunting lease in August. I had countless ticks on me, that I would pick off at the end of the day. No big deal as I had been tick bit many times in the past. I noticed a very very small tick or two that I had never seen before. It had been on me 2 days after I left the woods. Needless to say, several weeks later I was sick as hell, and had a nasty rash on my left thigh. I was down for 6 months and even now several years later I still have occasional numbness in my limbs and fatigue.

Watch out for the bugs guys, lots of times they will **** you up worse than any snake here in the SE.

Iowa Don
08-20-09, 16:26
My sister was an ER nurse in Ft. Meyers, Fla. A gentleman was brought in who had been "playing with" a coral snake. This reptile has quite short fangs, usually not more than 3/8". However, the venom is very powerful. In fact, it cost over $300,000 to keep this guy alive! There is a mnemonic about "color next to color" is a friend to Jack; " 'color' " next to black" kills Jack. I don't remember it, and since I live in Iowa, have only to concern myself with Massaugua rattlers, Timber rattlers, Prairie rattlers, and Copperheads.

The Massaugua is not common, up to 30", and found in a very few marshy areas. The Timber's live mostly in the bluffs along the Mississippi and in an area SE of Des Moines. I've seen them over 5' and as big as my forearm around. They are the most common rattler in Iowa. Prairie's are found in the Northern Loess Hills along the Missouri, and are not very common. All rattlers are protected species in the state. There is a small isolated population of copperheads about 20 miles north of Ottumwa, in the SE part of the state and are seen infrequently at best.

I have encountered people from thevery farthest SE part of the state who heatedly insist there are Cottonmouths here, but specimens always turn out to be Common Brown Water Snakes. While they do have a nasty disposition and mimic the gape threat of a Cottonmouth, other than blood poisoning or other infection from the bite, are harmless.

Nor should we forget the American Crocodile, for whom we would all make a tasty meal. These are generally coastal creatures, but nonetheless quite dangerous for the same reasons as the American Alligator.

In closing, "Good on ya" for posting this thread.

Yet, when all is said and done, I find the "Streetus Animalous" to be the most feared, although easily rebuked with a lethal hot lead injection. It's cunning and savagery make it difficult to discern at times, though it is normally found close to it's lair. It may ask for a light, a dollar, or something else. Avoiding it's normal haunts is easy, and after living in Chicago for 7 years, some of it driving a taxi, I am well practiced in the art and science of recognizing these critters. You should be too.

Mjolnir
11-22-09, 22:01
Unfortunately, the often successful Florida Gator has recently had significant problems with a variety of Tiger native to Eastern Alabama... as well as the Tiger variety native of the region once named "West Florida". They are sometimes referred to as "Bayou Bengals by the native folk. ;)

Mjolnir
11-22-09, 22:05
My sister was an ER nurse in Ft. Meyers, Fla. A gentleman was brought in who had been "playing with" a coral snake. This reptile has quite short fangs, usually not more than 3/8". However, the venom is very powerful. In fact, it cost over $300,000 to keep this guy alive! There is a mnemonic about "color next to color" is a friend to Jack; " 'color' " next to black" kills Jack. I don't remember it, and since I live in Iowa, have only to concern myself with Massaugua rattlers, Timber rattlers, Prairie rattlers, and Copperheads.

The Massaugua is not common, up to 30", and found in a very few marshy areas. The Timber's live mostly in the bluffs along the Mississippi and in an area SE of Des Moines. I've seen them over 5' and as big as my forearm around. They are the most common rattler in Iowa. Prairie's are found in the Northern Loess Hills along the Missouri, and are not very common. All rattlers are protected species in the state. There is a small isolated population of copperheads about 20 miles north of Ottumwa, in the SE part of the state and are seen infrequently at best.

I have encountered people from thevery farthest SE part of the state who heatedly insist there are Cottonmouths here, but specimens always turn out to be Common Brown Water Snakes. While they do have a nasty disposition and mimic the gape threat of a Cottonmouth, other than blood poisoning or other infection from the bite, are harmless.

Nor should we forget the American Crocodile, for whom we would all make a tasty meal. These are generally coastal creatures, but nonetheless quite dangerous for the same reasons as the American Alligator.

In closing, "Good on ya" for posting this thread.

Yet, when all is said and done, I find the "Streetus Animalous" to be the most feared, although easily rebuked with a lethal hot lead injection. It's cunning and savagery make it difficult to discern at times, though it is normally found close to it's lair. It may ask for a light, a dollar, or something else. Avoiding it's normal haunts is easy, and after living in Chicago for 7 years, some of it driving a taxi, I am well practiced in the art and science of recognizing these critters. You should be too.
Red next to Yellow will kill a fellow; Red next to Black, friend of Jack. When in doubt, move about. Here in the Rice, Cane and Swamp regions of South Louisiana it's that damned pesky Water Moccassin. Now I love God but why oh why do we have mosquitoes and water moccasins? And why aren't/weren't we immune to venomous critters down here? That's my first (two) question(s) when I meet Him... :D

Thomas M-4
11-22-09, 22:20
What?!? No coral snake?

Exactly what I was thinking:D

Many years ago when I was in middle school we had one in the lunch room:eek::eek:

BAC
11-23-09, 15:41
Eh, gators aren't that dangerous. I've lived around them my whole life and the 'meanest' gator I ever met was a fan after losing by a point to Ole Miss. I've swam with gators (not intentionally), boated near them, canoed and kayaked near them, fished around them, and have never had a problem. If you provoke them, say, with bloody bait or taunts about singing Rocky Top all night long... well, you've earned that. :p

On that list, the most likely danger is a moccasin. Those are genuinely mean animals. Not sure if anyone who's ever met one has had a good thing to say about 'em, and justifiably so. They're the only animals aside from dogs that have ever chased me; at least dogs can be calmed a bit. :eek:

Rattlers aren't usually bad, since they're nice enough to warn you first. Except when you have a pygmy rattler fall from the door frame onto your shoulder. Then your day becomes very bad, very quick. My friend still laments his lack of having a camera for that one. I've never seen a coral snake actually attack someone before, and the two I've handled before have both been pretty docile and more interested in leaving than biting (a lot like red rat snakes, actually).

Hogs I've only ever seen once in the wild, and I'm guessing the one I saw had bad people experiences 'cause it took off like a bat outa hell when it saw me.


-B

M4arc
11-23-09, 15:50
Fantastic post!

As an avid mountainer in the fine Commonwealth of Virginia I have seen my fair share of snakes out on the trails. They all scare the hell out of me and in my mind they're all deadly! (I'm more likely to die from poopy pants and a heart attack)

Mike U.
12-15-09, 01:10
I hope you don't mind my posting this in your thread, but, I thought it would be useful.
Here in Florida, we have an ongoing problem with nonnative species that can be dangerous or just a bloody nuisance.
Here are a few.

First, we have established and on-the-move populations of Burmese Pythons:
http://myfwc.com/WILDLIFEHABITATS/Nonnative_BurmesePython.htm

Second, we have Boa Constrictors that are established:
http://myfwc.com/WILDLIFEHABITATS/Nonnative_CommonBoa.htm

There have been whisperings of Florida Anaconda's as well. But, thus far that is just a rumor. I'll wait till I actually see a body before proclaiming it from the rooftops. Or, until The FWC recognizes them.

There are a number of large lizards, including Iguanas and Nile Monitors now calling Fla. home:
http://myfwc.com/WILDLIFEHABITATS/Nonnative_MexicanSpinytailIguana.htm
http://myfwc.com/WILDLIFEHABITATS/Nonnative_BlackSpinytailIguana.htm
http://myfwc.com/WILDLIFEHABITATS/Nonnative_NileMonitor.htm
Now, while the lizards are not deadly dangerous in a venomous or 'big enough to eat you' sort of way, they do have the capability of providing one with a very painful bite prone to a nasty infection.
They have the ability to use their tails as a whip or bludgeon, which can give a painful bruise/laceration.
So, due caution should be observed when attempting to capture or corral one of these critters. Also, I hear they're not very good eatin' to boot.:D

crispy
01-16-11, 21:09
What?!? No coral snake?

Hope no-one minds me adding a little to this thread. Not the greatest pics but they give one an idea of what a coral snake looks like. This particular one was hiding beneath the hay bales.

crispy

Edit to add.....red touch black/venom lack.........red touch yellow/kill a fellow.

obucina
01-16-11, 21:54
My sister was an ER nurse in Ft. Meyers, Fla. A gentleman was brought in who had been "playing with" a coral snake. This reptile has quite short fangs, usually not more than 3/8". However, the venom is very powerful. In fact, it cost over $300,000 to keep this guy alive! There is a mnemonic about "color next to color" is a friend to Jack; " 'color' " next to black" kills Jack. I don't remember it, and since I live in Iowa, have only to concern myself with Massaugua rattlers, Timber rattlers, Prairie rattlers, and Copperheads.

The Massaugua is not common, up to 30", and found in a very few marshy areas. The Timber's live mostly in the bluffs along the Mississippi and in an area SE of Des Moines. I've seen them over 5' and as big as my forearm around. They are the most common rattler in Iowa. Prairie's are found in the Northern Loess Hills along the Missouri, and are not very common. All rattlers are protected species in the state. There is a small isolated population of copperheads about 20 miles north of Ottumwa, in the SE part of the state and are seen infrequently at best.

I have encountered people from thevery farthest SE part of the state who heatedly insist there are Cottonmouths here, but specimens always turn out to be Common Brown Water Snakes. While they do have a nasty disposition and mimic the gape threat of a Cottonmouth, other than blood poisoning or other infection from the bite, are harmless.

Nor should we forget the American Crocodile, for whom we would all make a tasty meal. These are generally coastal creatures, but nonetheless quite dangerous for the same reasons as the American Alligator.

In closing, "Good on ya" for posting this thread.

Yet, when all is said and done, I find the "Streetus Animalous" to be the most feared, although easily rebuked with a lethal hot lead injection. It's cunning and savagery make it difficult to discern at times, though it is normally found close to it's lair. It may ask for a light, a dollar, or something else. Avoiding it's normal haunts is easy, and after living in Chicago for 7 years, some of it driving a taxi, I am well practiced in the art and science of recognizing these critters. You should be too.

good looking out on the croc! For many years, there was a crocodile crossing sign in north key largo, I havent seen it lately. The few times I have seen back country fishing, its been something to watch out for.

jaxman7
01-26-11, 12:12
In all my years of living in Mississippi (including 4 years in GA & and 1 in FL) I have yet to see a coral snake in the wild and I've looked. I am sort of a closet herpatologist. I've picked up copperheads before. They aren't too aggressive. Cottonmouths and rattlers no way. Its also interesting to note, and someone correct me if I'm wrong but the coral is the only native snake to the southeast that has a neurotoxic venom. Meaning it does damage to the nervous system such as making it extremely hard to breathe. Rattlers,cottonmouths,& copperheads all have hemotoxic venom which destroys tissue. Most neurotoxic snakes have fixed fangs and most hemotoxic snakes have hinged fangs. It is very common for the venomous species to have both types of venom. One is usually the dominant type over the other.

-Jax

crispy
01-26-11, 12:56
In all my years of living in Mississippi (including 4 years in GA & and 1 in FL) I have yet to see a coral snake in the wild and I've looked. I am sort of a closet herpatologist.
-Jax

I'm afraid that I'm guilty of the same thing.

The coral snake in the picture is the second one that I've seen in the twenty six years that I've lived in Florida and both of them, were in my yard! I wish I would have taken pictures of the three diamondback rattlesnakes that I saw here this past fall.

All of the aformentioned snakes, were seen last year.

jaxman7
01-26-11, 13:12
I would hate to not have a camera on me as well if there was a rattler or coral nearby. Rattlesnakes are not nearly as common as copperheads or moccasins in south central Mississippi. I see more king snakes & Texas rat snakes than anything else.
That coral snake in your picture looks as if he was getting close to shedding judging by his dull color and glassy colored eye. Cool pic!

-Jax



I'm afraid that I'm guilty of the same thing.

The coral snake in the picture is the second one that I've seen in the twenty six years that I've lived in Florida and both of them, were in my yard! I wish I would have taken pictures of the three diamondback rattlesnakes that I saw here this past fall.

All of the aformentioned snakes, were seen last year.

crispy
01-26-11, 13:53
That coral snake in your picture looks as if he was getting close to shedding judging by his dull color and glassy colored eye. Cool pic!

-Jax
Thanks Jax. He was about to shed but luckily for me, he doesn't have to worry about it any more.

I've found a couple scarlet kingsnakes in Fl. When I found my first, I though I had found a coral snake. The kingsnakes are probably my favorites.

What's really fun is walking through the woods and startling an seven or eight foot long coachwhip snake only to have it race half way up your leg, then turn and take off in less time than it takes your mind to figure out what had just happened......lol! I'm just glad it was a friendly.

Take care, Bill

cqbdriver
01-26-11, 14:04
I walked over a rattlesnake while squirrel hunting in Tenn. It started rattling right as I stepped over him - major pucker factor.

When I was going through PLDC at Ft Stewart, GA during the summer, a woman was bite twice while climbing into her sleeping bag. We couldn't understand why she even had a sleeping bag when the nighttime temp. was in the 90's & 200% humidity.

Coworker was biten by a baby copperhead when he picked up a brick in his backyard. He told the doctor that he was lucky that it was only a baby snake. Doctor said no - they're worse than adult snakes because they inject all the venom they have where adults sometimes don't inject any venom.


Also, don't forget rabbits. One attacked Jimmy Carter in a canoe.

crispy
01-26-11, 15:02
Also, don't forget rabbits. One attacked Jimmy Carter in a canoe.

My gosh! What was he doing to it?

cqbdriver
01-26-11, 15:13
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter_rabbit_incident
WARNING GRAPHIC!

crispy
01-26-11, 15:48
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter_rabbit_incident
WARNING GRAPHIC!
Huh...not quite what I had imagined but still interesting. Dang rabbit is so scared that you can actually see it's eye bugging out of it's head.

Suwannee Tim
02-13-11, 07:16
In all my years of living in Mississippi (including 4 years in GA & and 1 in FL) I have yet to see a coral snake in the wild and I've looked......Jax

I see them frequently on a five mile stretch of the Jacksonville to Baldwin Rail Trail but other than there, I have never seen a coral snake in the wild. They are very shy and eager to avoid contact. The critter that worries me the most is the cottonmouth. Next is the diamondback and timber rattler. Pygmies present little threat unless you put your hand where they are. Lots of folks snake bit are bit on the hand, never put your hand where a snake might lurk. The critter I am least afraid of is gators. I have had much exposure to them and never a problem. I do not even consider hogs a threat.


....Also, don't forget rabbits. One attacked Jimmy Carter in a canoe.

This happened to myself and my wife once. The terrified rabbit approached our canoe but unlike Carter I put my paddle in the water and the rabbit grabbed it and I hoist him into the boat. We maneuvered to shore and I gently urged the rabbit off and onto land. After a few weak hopps the rabbit turned and looked as if to say "thank you."

Everyday3
02-13-11, 08:03
Good post thanks

Hot Holster
02-13-11, 09:20
I went to clean out the intake basket for the pool and as I lifted the lid a juvenile water moccasin dropped to the deck. I dispatched that creature in a hurry.

I have also encountered a pigmy rattler and after it coiled and struck at me all I had was a water hose so I sprayed it and it slithered away.

Whenever I exit a door either to the garage or outside, I look below and to both sides before stepping out. I also shake my shoes and boots that I leave in the garage, before sticking my feet into them.

Watrdawg
02-13-11, 19:07
2 years ago my brother and I were turkey hunting in the Uhwarrie Mountains of NC. Basically south central NC. It was fairly chilling in the morning, around 45 degrees and we were walking back down a dirt road. We heard a loud hissing and looked down and about 10 inches from my brothers foot was a BIG timber rattler. He was headed off of the trail and was all stretched out. Luckily it was still a bit chilly and that snake wasn't moving too fast. He died pretty quickly with a load of #4 shot to the head. He ended up being 4 1/2ft long and about as thick as a normal persons forearm.

Suwannee Tim
02-13-11, 19:46
I could go on and on..... I was hunting in Nassau County Florida and stepped inches, two or three from the nose of a big fat sow water moccasin. The snake didn't even move. I should have let her be but I blasted her with my shotgun. Skeered me so bad my knees were like jello. We knew an FWC officer named Duncan, he HATED moccasins. My buddy and I killed a big one and put it in the back of the truck. Later we saw Duncan's truck on the side of the road with the driver window down about an inch, no Duncan. I opened the truck with a coat hanger and coiled the defunct moccasin on the floorboard. Later we talked to some guys who were highly amused. They were driving down the road when Duncan came out of the woods and hitched a ride back to his truck. He was talking to them as he unlocked and opened the door, got in and was stumbling over something in the floorboard.....MOCCASIN! They said Duncan bounded out of his truck, landed in the bed of their truck then took another leap that landed him on the far side of the ditch. It shook him up so bad he had to take the rest of the day off. Same buddy was talking to an old man and something was tap, tap, tapping on his snake chap clad leg. He thought it was me with a stick and paid no attention. Tap, tap, tap. He turned around to tell me to quit but I was a hundred yards down the road. MOCCASIN! That snake got stomped to death. I paddle canoes on places like the North Prong of the St Marys River, you can near about touch both banks at the same time. Often there is a tree down and I have to get in the water to clear it. I go, pistol, revolver, whatever I am carrying right in my pocket. If I'm getting in a snake infested creek, I'm packing some iron. Hard on the guns though.

Suwannee Tim
02-13-11, 19:55
.... I do not even consider hogs a threat......

A couple of years ago we were paddling Turkey Creek on Eglin AFB and heard an awful crashing and smashing coming towards us. Turned out to be a hog, a big, big one, crossed the creek a few feet in front of us then began struggling to get up the far bank which was steep and high. I put the engines in Back Full and we came to a halt a couple of feet from this giant struggling hog who fortunately went downstream to find a better exit. I would sure hate to be overturned in a narrow stream swimming around with a fear crazed quarter ton porker. Hogs do not see well and are as likely to run towards you as away. People interpret that as an attack, really it is more like getting trampled.

Suwannee Tim
02-13-11, 20:00
The Fire Marshal of Putman County Florida, Joe Guidry was killed by a rattler. He had shot the snake and it was slithering under a shed. He grabbed the snake by the tail to jerk it out and it got him. He died a week or so later.

Heavy Metal
02-13-11, 20:05
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/58411_161373223873539_100000025861897_533583_3775751_n.jpg


Well camoflaged little bastard. He was about 3 or 3.5 feet long. Just wanted to be left alone. Didn't shoot him. Poked him with a stick, he wouldn't move or rattle.

Suwannee Tim
02-13-11, 20:22
In he warmer months I spend a lot of time cycling a local bicycle trail and it is seriously snakey. I have studied some of these guys at very close range, feet. The pygmies and timber rattlers can be quite beautiful, coral snakes too. We happened across a big rattler near Big Shoals on the Suwannee, biggest I have ever seen. He wouldn't move. I got a big stick and tried to shoo him away. He wouldn't move. Eventually, I lifetd a couple of feet of him off the ground which motivated him to calmly slither off.