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Safetyhit
03-17-09, 18:26
To think those bastards in Mexico might have an impact on our rights here is nauseating at the very least. Looks like prices aren't going down anytime soon...




Gun Advocates Ready for Battle on Federal Assault Weapons Ban
Attorney General Eric Holder is using the drug violence in Mexico to "confuse and mislead" Americans in an attempt to reinstate the expired federal assault weapons ban, gun advocates say.
By Joshua Rhett Miller

FOXNews.com

Tuesday, March 17, 2009



Attorney General Eric Holder is using the drug violence in Mexico to "confuse and mislead" Americans in an attempt to reinstate the expired Federal Assault Weapons Ban, gun advocates claim.

Holder revealed his intention to reinstate the ban last month while announcing more than 700 arrests in connection with a crackdown on Mexican drug cartels operating in the United States.

"As President Obama indicated during the campaign, there are just a few gun-related changes that we would like to make, and among them would be to re-institute the ban on the sale of assault weapons," Holder said. "I think that will have a positive impact in Mexico, at a minimum."

Holder said reinstating the ban would decrease the flow of guns from the U.S. into Mexico. He declined to offer a timeframe for any re-implementation; Justice Department spokesman Matt Miller also declined comment on Tuesday.

But Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the National Rifle Association, told FOXNews.com that Holder's "argument in general is bizarre."

"It's a delusion to say that diminishing the Second Amendment in America is somehow going to stop these ruthless drug cartels in Mexico."

LaPierre called on Holder and Justice Department officials to uphold existing laws and focus on increasing enforcement along the 2,000-mile U.S.-Mexico border, rather than consider additional legislation.

"The answer is to enforce the law on both sides of the border," LaPierre said. "I reject the notion that the reenactment of that ban would have any impact on the Mexican drug cartels."

LaPierre, referring to the drug-related violence that killed more than 6,200 people in Mexico last year, accused Holder of trying to "put a failed political agenda on the back of a national tragedy."

Signed into law by President Clinton in 1994, the Federal Assault Weapons Ban prohibited the sale of ammunition clips with more than 10 rounds and 19 types of semi-automatic military-style guns, including AK-47s and AR-15s. The ban expired in 2004, and a 10-year extension proposed by Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., was voted down.

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Michael Hammond, spokesman for the Gun Owners of America, said he was not surprised by Holder's comments.

"We expected the Obama administration, contrary to promises made during the campaign, to do everything it can to go after us," Hammond said. "It's no surprise to us that [Holder] is using a crisis as an argument to achieving his policy goals."

During a House subcommittee hearing last week, Chris Cox, executive director of the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action, warned against making U.S. gun owners "scapegoats" for the Mexican crisis.

"The message here is clear: According to some, the violence in Mexico is not the fault of the drug cartels or their American customers, nor is it the fault of decades of Mexican government corruption," Cox said in prepared remarks.

"In their view, the fault lies with American gun owners. This is an outrageous assertion."

Authorities should ramp up border security and continue targeting so-called straw buyers who do the cartels' "dirty work," Cox said.

But Tom Diaz, senior policy analyst at the Violence Policy Center, testified at the subcommittee on National Security and Foreign Affairs on Thursday that the U.S. civilian gun market is fueling violence in Mexico and on both sides of its border.

"If one set out to design a 'legal' market conducive to the business of funneling guns to criminals, one would be hard-pressed to come up with a 'better' system that the U.S. civilian gun market -- short of simply selling guns directly to criminals from manufacturer and importer inventories," Diaz said in prepared remarks.

"The U.S. gun market not only makes gun trafficking in military-style weapons easy, it practically compels that traffic because of the gun market's loose regulations and the gun industry's ruthless design choices over the last several decades."

Citing February 2008 congressional testimony of William Hoover, assistant director of field operations at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), Diaz said military-style weapons like the Barrett .50-caliber rifle, the Colt AR-15 .223-caliber assault rifle and the AK-47 are "precisely the makes and models of firearms that have been carefully designed, manufactured or imported and heavily marketed over the last 20 years by the U.S. civilian gun industry."

More than 7,770 guns sold in the U.S. were traced to Mexico last year, up from 3,300 in 2007 and roughly 2,100 in 2006, according to ATF statistics. It was not immediately clear what percentage of those guns fell under the United States' federal assault weapons ban.

Diaz also cited ATF tracing data that shows Mexican drug cartels receive between 90 and 95 percent of their firearms from the United States.

Along with measures such as targeting Texas, Arizona and California -- the three primary states where firearms are illegally smuggled into Mexico -- Diaz called for the implementation of an "effective" federal assault weapons ban modeled on a bill introduced in 2007 by Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y.

Diaz said manufacturers continued to sell assault weapons throughout the ban by making minor design changes. He also called for the passage of a bill introduced by Feinstein during the last session of Congress that would regulate .50-caliber sniper rifles under the National Firearms Act.

Meanwhile, Democratic lawmakers like Alaska Sen. Mark Begich and Montana Sens. Max Baucus and Jon Tester have already informed Holder that they'll vigorously oppose any new gun restrictions the Obama administration may be considering.

In a letter to Holder shortly after his comments, all three senators urged the Justice Department to focus on enforcing existing laws.

And Arizona state Sen. Jonathan Paton, who testified at last week's hearing, said additional gun laws are just not the answer.

"It would actually hurt the problem rather than help it," Paton, a Republican, said of re-instituting the federal assault weapons ban. "They're not giving us the resources on the laws that we already have on the books. What makes me think they're going to give us the resources for new laws?"

Paton cited Mexico's far stricter gun laws as proof that new domestic laws in the United States won't deter criminals intent on trafficking arms.

"It's not going to solve the problem you have with M-16s and AK-47s; they're already banned and they're already going into Mexico at a feverish pace," Paton told FOXNews.com. "The day they start taking their border security as serious as we do, Mexico will cut down tremendously on its amount of guns."


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/03/17/gun-advocates-ready-battle-federal-assault-ban/

crob1
03-17-09, 19:04
This is the reason that I held my nose while voting for McCain. These are the consequences for losing elections. The question now is, what the heck are we going to do?

Gutshot John
03-17-09, 19:28
This is the reason that I held my nose while voting for McCain. These are the consequences for losing elections. The question now is, what the heck are we going to do?

Keep writing your Congressmen/Senators/Obama.

A-Bear680
03-17-09, 20:25
:)

This is the reason that I held my nose while voting for McCain. These are the consequences for losing elections. The question now is, what the heck are we going to do?

Keep right on kicking gun-grabber ass?

:cool:

crob1
03-17-09, 21:19
Sounds good to me!

BrentPete
03-17-09, 21:59
" Holder said. "I think that will have a positive impact in Mexico, at a minimum."

Holder said reinstating the ban would decrease the flow of guns from the U.S. into Mexico.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/03/17/gun-advocates-ready-battle-federal-assault-ban/

Maybe I am mistaken but did our AG actually say that honest Americans who buy a Bushmaster and a couple boxes of ammo are contributing to gun violence in Mexico by sending these guns to Mexican drug lords? Even for anti-gun types that is ridiculous. Sorry Mr. and Mrs. American gun owner we can't let you have long guns with a pistol grip incase you decide to sell them to Mr. or Mrs. Mexican drug lord.

The truth is Americans own guns because they don't want to have to rely on a broken government (read: Mexico) to protect them. A decent politician, like those who founded this country, would encourage gun ownership in the light of the horrible situation in Mexico. Those drug lords wouldn't be so bold if they knew that every household owned and knew how to use a weapon.

seb5
03-18-09, 07:12
Quote "It's not going to solve the problem you have with M-16s and AK-47s; they're already banned and they're already going into Mexico at a feverish pace," Paton told FOXNews.com. "The day they start taking their border security as serious as we do, Mexico will cut down tremendously on its amount of guns." Quote

As seriously as we do?...............................That right there could be part of the problem. Neither of us acts as if there is a border.

Dedpoet
03-18-09, 09:35
Maybe I am mistaken but did our AG actually say that honest Americans who buy a Bushmaster and a couple boxes of ammo are contributing to gun violence in Mexico by sending these guns to Mexican drug lords? Even for anti-gun types that is ridiculous. Sorry Mr. and Mrs. American gun owner we can't let you have long guns with a pistol grip incase you decide to sell them to Mr. or Mrs. Mexican drug lord.

I've been driving up and down the Arizona-Mexico border for weeks trying to find a drug lord to buy this rifle and just can't get any solid offers. I mean, come on, demand is high and that's a real Aimpoint on there! :rolleyes:

Attention ATF: That is sarcasm!

variablebinary
03-18-09, 09:37
Quote "It's not going to solve the problem you have with M-16s and AK-47s; they're already banned and they're already going into Mexico at a feverish pace," Paton told FOXNews.com. "The day they start taking their border security as serious as we do, Mexico will cut down tremendously on its amount of guns." Quote

As seriously as we do?...............................That right there could be part of the problem. Neither of us acts as if there is a border.


Thats the downside of "needing" a slave race I guess

k_cheerangie
03-18-09, 09:43
Quote:
Originally Posted by crob1
This is the reason that I held my nose while voting for McCain. These are the consequences for losing elections. The question now is, what the heck are we going to do?

Keep writing your Congressmen/Senators/Obama.

Does anyone have Obama's email address.

All joking aside, how would one go about righting to someone important like that.

Maybe if anyone here is a lawyer we could have a standarized letter written up with directions on how to find who to send it to. Cause I have no idea what to write it will probably be sectioned as hate mail if I write something, neither do I have an idea who to send it to.

Just my .02

Gutshot John
03-18-09, 09:56
All joking aside, how would one go about righting to someone important like that.


The Address is...

President Obama (or the President)
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington DC 20500

In fact you don't even need the street address/ZIP, you could probably get away with putting...

The President
The White House
Washington, DC

BE RESPECTFUL/POLITE and express your concerns based on the facts at hand. DO NOT get into conspiracies or anything remotely to do with "fringe" patriotism. We've all written business letters, to get things we want. Keep what we want in mind.

You'll probably get a form letter response, but I guarantee you they're keeping a tally. I'd be willing to bet that the letters from pro-gunners far outweigh those from antis.