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Why??
Why would I want to add another caliber to my line up, why would I want to add another magazine system?
Why would I want to get something that a 9mm +P could do just about as well?
Why dammit, why?
:confused:
'Cause I think I want one.....:o
As long as you get a bright shiney chrome one with pearl grips, Senior!
The Dumb Gun Collector
03-24-09, 15:55
Because you want one of the awesome Mexican-style chromed Colts. Preferably including grips with the Virgin Mary on them.
Because you want one of the awesome Mexican-style chromed Colts. Preferably including grips with the Virgin Mary on them.
Damn nice!
geminidglocker
03-24-09, 17:31
In a race gun sure, but for a carry peice or practical plinker, no.
1) Because you want one.
2) Because you can.
3) Every one needs a "Pimp" gun. (Except me)
4) The optimum number of guns for a man is "One more". :D
5) Who knows, later on you might not be able to.
TriumphRat675
03-24-09, 17:46
Because a stock Colt .38 super is perfect for competition:
http://www.zootshooters.com/index.html
Zootshooters, Sound cool. I'd like to see that sometime. Thanks.
I owned a .38 Super Series 70 Colt 1911 many years ago and I have to say that I love this little cartridge. I bought it originally with intent to turn it into a Race Gun but ended up instead using it as a small game hunting pistol. Numerous Squirrels, Rabbits and Racoons fell to this pistol. I shot three red foxes with it over 5-years and two coyotes. Remington +P cases, Remington 7 1/2 SRBR Primers, 9.5 grains of Hercules Bluedot behind a Hornady 140 grain XTP Hollow point was a superb combination in my old pistol.
But one and you wont be disappointed.
MarshallDodge
03-24-09, 18:27
Because a stock Colt .38 super is perfect for competition:
http://www.zootshooters.com/index.html
Oh great, now I need a Thompson!!
theJanitor
03-24-09, 18:46
the real question is: "Why wouldn't I want a 38Super?"
Local shop has a Colt Commercial Gov't Model in .38 Super with 2 mags.....it's seen some use, and they want too much.
But it's a Commercial model........:o
A competent smith can throat the barrel to handle both 38Super and 9x23.
Most 38Super loadings are a bit anemic but the WW factory 9x23 124gr JSP gets 1500fps from a 5" barrel!
Does really ugly damage to large jackrabbits. REALLY ugly!
decodeddiesel
03-24-09, 20:21
Because you want one of the awesome Mexican-style chromed Colts. Preferably including grips with the Virgin Mary on them.
Santa Maria, and the Savior!
Why??
Why would I want to add another caliber to my line up, why would I want to add another magazine system?
Why would I want to get something that a 9mm +P could do just about as well?
Why dammit, why?
:confused:
Karma. :p
Save your money for the Fortis you want when it comes out.
Cause the FBI issued them back in the day when they hired gunfighters as agents. ;)
Business_Casual
03-25-09, 07:18
Originally Posted by Greg Bell
Because you want one of the awesome Mexican-style chromed Colts. Preferably including grips with the Virgin Mary on them.
Santa Maria, and the Savior!
Because you want bling.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/glock23carry/38-SUPER-MEX-EMB-SGP.jpg
M_P
Dave Berryhill
03-25-09, 08:16
Like these?
http://www.berryhillguns.com/eljefe.jpg
http://www.berryhillguns.com/elgeneral.jpg
http://www.berryhillguns.com/elpimpdaddy.jpg
Of course you'll have to get the outfit that goes with them:
http://www.berryhillguns.com/pimp.jpg
I've got a 9x23 project in the safe that I can't wait to get to but it won't have quite as much bling as these.
decodeddiesel
03-25-09, 08:32
Haha, the "El General" is so pimp it has a target rear and no front sight! :D
Thats it Berryhill,
Now were talkin "PIMP" guns. Hey there you go, a "Pimp" pic thread, some one can start it in another thread. Or start one called "PIMP MY GUN". I don't have any to start one or it might happen. Art work is good to see though. When I was a lot younger I thought about getting into "Gun Engraving", just never did.
Find someone to let you shoot a properly compensated .38 Super, and you'll immediately know why you have to have one. Put a red dot on it and it's like cheating.
Find someone to let you shoot a properly compensated .38 Super, and you'll immediately know why you have to have one. Put a red dot on it and it's like cheating.
Thing is, I'd keep it pretty classic.....no comps, no red dots, not a race gun.
I'll swing by tomorrow and see if the shop still has it.
Well it is easier to say "I'll sell it" rather than, "Damn, why the hell didn't I buy that when I had the chance".
Something to think about. (If you can afford it)
1) Because you want one.
2) Because you can.
3) Every one needs a "Pimp" gun. (Except me)
4) The optimum number of guns for a man is "One more". :D
5) Who knows, later on you might not be able to.
I've found that number 4 doesn't really work with the wife too well.
Dave Berryhill
03-25-09, 17:51
I've found that number 4 doesn't really work with the wife too well.
The secret to this is:
1. never let the wife know exactly how many guns you have.
2. when you add a new gun to the collection, never put the box in the trash or anywhere else she can find it.
That way, if she sees you with new gun you can say, "This old thing? I've had it for years, I just don't shoot it very often." :D
HEHEHE, I got one:D
But it is the anti-pimp!
I love my STI Trojan in .38 Super. It is accurate as hell and really easy to shoot well.
Well, went and put some money on it.
Looked up the serial #, it's a 1946/47 manufacture.....original finish with honest carry wear.
They sure don't make them like this anymore from the factory....
Crapberry phone pics......
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/Handguns/Super38A.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/Handguns/Super38C.jpg
Roll marked on the slide......Super .38 Automatic. Non C prefix serial #.
I really hadn't planned on doing this.
Damn I'm weak. :D
Roll marked on the slide......Super .38 Automatic. Non C prefix serial #.
I really hadn't planned on doing this.
Damn I'm weak. :D
That's cool.
:cool:
Why??
Why would I want to add another caliber to my line up, why would I want to add another magazine system?
Why would I want to get something that a 9mm +P could do just about as well?
Why dammit, why?
:confused:
'Cause I think I want one.....:o
'Cause it will shoot flat for the "walk back drills?"
Nice avatar! :)
Some people chase the dragon, Tim chases the pony.
...a bad habit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wMa_t5cBgY
Very nice! Now start searching for some grips to go with it. The Pach's are just wrong on a classic like that.
Great find.
Dave
I have a full-house Swenson .38 Super 5" Colt I am not particularly attached to...squared trigger guard, S&W sights and all...
:D
Ooooo nooooo ! ! ! ! !
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n232/blackscot/ooo_nooo.gif
Nice piece Tim. :D
I've halfway thought of getting some kind of race-ish 1911, just for schitzngiggles. GT has had a stainless 9 mm in their case for months/couple-years. Also overpriced though.
I agree about the Pachmayrs. Would be cool to get some worn walnut on there, like an old set from a gun show or something.
Enjoy the new/old blaster, and post some range pics once you get her out.
Yeah, yeah, yeah......the grips will definitely be swapped out.
That's what the guy who traded it in had on there. I was cringing when I took them off to look at it, expecting a whole lot of pitting, but nope, it was all good.
:cool:
You could shoot IDPA in ESP division with it. Although more and more people are shooting ESP, yours would definitely present a unique approach.
Although more and more people are shooting ESP, yours would definitely present a unique approach.
Which is ironic, since the .38 Super 1911 was considered the "race' gun of IDPA back in the early days before the sport got pwned (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pwn) by traditional double action and then striker fired pistols.
"Super Face" Anyone remember that term?
Was that from the 38 super throwing the brass back into the shooter's face?
"Super Face" Anyone remember that term?
Was that from the 38 super throwing the brass back into the shooter's face?
Negative. "Super Face" occurred when your pistol blew up because you tried to make IPSC Major with a non-ramped (unsupported) barrel. The original kB!, so to speak.
If Frank Hamer were alive, I'd like to see someone call him a Mexican pimp ;)
duramaxtech
03-30-09, 13:22
Nothing wrong with a 38 super, while you wouldn't want to butcher that one like the one I carried, they do make good carry guns with ramped barrels. When I was competitive in USPSA I had a "race" gun and a Springfield Armory for carry. The Springfield wore Heinie sights, Ed Brown beavertail grip safety & hammer, Videki trigger and I checkered the front strap and beveled the mag well.
Loads I was shooting crono-ed at 1450 fps with the only change between the loads for it and the race gun where that the carry loads where JHP rather than JTC. I didn't even have to readjust the dies on my press, the OAL length was correct for both.
Just don't shoot somebodies IPSC/USPSA loads in yours. Accuracy won't be as good as modern barrels either due to the way they where headspaced.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/1911/P1020163.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/1911/P1020162.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/1911/P1020160.jpg
Diggin' it, Templar!
Too cool!
:cool:
Pretty! Getting rid of the Pachmayrs was a great idea.
Can I have it?
I always thought ".38 Super" had a neat ring to it.....
Nathan_Bell
04-21-09, 09:04
Nice classic iron.
Glad you ditched the Pachs.
ThirdWatcher
04-23-09, 17:42
That pistol has a lot of class.:)
I've got some Metalform magazines, new recoil spring, and Wilson mag kits coming from Brownells', and 1K of Aguila .38 Super from Ammunitiontogo.com.
No 9mm FMJ, no .45 ACP FMJ, but they had the .38 Super ON SALE and in stock, it already shipped! :D
Well, went and put some money on it.
Looked up the serial #, it's a 1946/47 manufacture.....original finish with honest carry wear.
They sure don't make them like this anymore from the factory....
Crapberry phone pics......
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/Handguns/Super38A.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/Handguns/Super38C.jpg
Roll marked on the slide......Super .38 Automatic. Non C prefix serial #.
I really hadn't planned on doing this.
Damn I'm weak. :D
And the 11th commandment was: "Thou shalt not covet another man's .38 Super 1911."
I am a sinner!
What a great piece ! ! ! :D
Crisp roll marks, walnut grips, honest wear, and the perfect gun-metal gray. Hope I'll get the chance to meet that fine fellow in person someday.
Some updated pics....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/Handguns/P1020190.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/Handguns/P1020233.jpg
Shot it a bit yesterday....that Aguila 130 gr. FMJ is a bit blasty but definitely makes it's presence known on steel....
...very nice templar!!
By far my favorite 1911 to shoot...my frankensuper custom.
The 38 Super is a really neat cartridge, esp if you handload.
You can load anywhere from near 380 levels to near 357 mag performance!
As to not "carrying one" for practical purposes the first 2 dozen Thompsons the FBI ordered were in 38 Super as were many of their 1911's. The Thompsoins to stop a Ford , the 1911's would pierce the body armor of the day!
Super face is not akin to a 40 kaboom.....when we started hot rodding the Super it would blow, but not in the way you think, the base would seperate and brass shavings would come back into the shooters face via the firing pin channel!! Small shavings that hurt like you know what.
Doug Koenig shoots a S&W 1911 from the performance Center in his single stack matches, or at least he did. It's named after him , model 38DK.
Enjoy your classic!
They made Thompsons in .38 Super?
I knew they made an experimental model in .30 Carbine for military trials, but I wasn't aware they made any Super Thompsons.
Are the plastic grips more period-authentic? Better than the Pachmayrs, but I still like the double-diamond walnut best.
Are the plastic grips more period-authentic? Better than the Pachmayrs, but I still like the double-diamond walnut best.
The research I've done says that the first Commercial models that Colt put out post War, '46/'47, came with left over G.I. grips that Colt had. After they were used up, Colt started putting plastic grips of their own design on the post War Commercials.
.38 Super, .41 Magnum, 16 Guage, and 6.5 Rem. Mag. are the oddball cartridges that people want to have just because they are oddballs.
SeaSoldier
06-08-10, 20:25
38Super is one of my favorite cartridges. I have a Dillon 650 and when it's not crankin out 9mm it is crankin 38Super. That's a beauty you got there. Family heirloom to be sure.
That sure is quite the find Templar. Looking over this thread has piqued my interest in a Colt .38 Super. Over on GA, I see that a restored 1936 is going for $4995.00USD and a 1929 for $4000.00USD! Whew. . .
mike benedict
01-05-11, 08:12
One of my 38 supers this is a lightweight commander customized by my friend Scott at SDM Fabricating.
It was a pawn shop find in pristine conditionhttp://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b319/talontactical/commanderalessi.jpg
Nice pistol you have there Mr. Templar. Glad to see it hasn`t been messed with. Mine is # 1945x , 1935 mfg. Iv`e had good results with the Aguilla ammo. Hope you enjoy it for years to come.
Magic_Salad0892
01-05-11, 09:17
For some reason I've always thought .38 Super was cooler than .45 ACP in 1911s.
I've kind of always wanted a Colt Series 70 in .38 Super.
Beat Trash
01-05-11, 13:09
Oh great, now I need a Thompson!!
Why yes... you do!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/Handguns/P1020190.jpg
Dang! Those bullets are long!
.38 Super, .41 Magnum, 16 Guage, and 6.5 Rem. Mag. are the oddball cartridges that people want to have just because they are oddballs.
You forgot the 10mm. ;)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/Handguns/P1020190.jpg
Dang! Those bullets are long!
Same overall length as a .45 ACP, but .36 cal. :cool:
Alpha Sierra
01-05-11, 20:12
.38 Super, .41 Magnum, 16 Guage, and 6.5 Rem. Mag. are the oddball cartridges that people want to have just because they are oddballs.
Oddly enough, most of them are very efficient at what they do. The 16 gauge particularly so.
Alpha Sierra
01-05-11, 20:15
the first 2 dozen Thompsons the FBI ordered were in 38 Super
WHOA. Now that would be bad ass.
.38 Super, .41 Magnum, 16 Guage, and 6.5 Rem. Mag. are the oddball cartridges that people want to have just because they are oddballs.
I beg to differ.
.41 Magnum is bad ass, especially when using 210 gr. soft points. Of course, #410459 - the 220 gr. Keith boolit is a thing of beauty. I'm not so sure I have the balls to load his recommended 20.0gr. of 2400 in that though.
And of course .38 Super is equally bad ass, being the first true "high velocity" police load that could penetrate cars. I am drooling over Templar's .38 Super. I will find one someday for myself.
If you're a history buff and an LEO/military history freak you find such calibers very alluring.
You forgot the 10mm. ;)
Another equally bad ass caliber. Loading 200 gr FMJ bullets behind 10.0gr of Blue Dot makes for a fun time. :D
Don Williams built the top one for me several years ago. It's one of my all time favorites. It rides in Sparks VM II and it really likes the CorBon DPX.
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/cigardad/_DSC0694.jpg
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