Widener's got a bunch of ammo today.

[johnson]

http://wideners.com/itemview.cfm?dir=18|830|845

[LOKNLOD]

F*cking f*ckity f*ck f*ck. :(

I'm chasing after ammo to get ready for a class. I was trying to get something decent ordered, and trying to place an order just after putting my daughter (2) to bed. She kept waking up upset and every time I got back to the computer and try to place the order the amount in my cart would have to be decreased. Now I've got no ammo. I hope the booger-eater who bought it tries to suck-start their AR :mad:

Okay not really I just needed to vent. :p

[RogerinTPA]

Thanks for the heads up. Sorry about that Loknlod....

[LOKNLOD]

Thanks for the heads up. Sorry about that Loknlod....

It was YOU! :mad:

LOL, if it really was you or somebody from here, no genuine ill will. Just frusterated with the way things have been playing out lately...

[Rider79]

They still have the 62 grain Prvi on the 2nd page, its only $15 more per 1000. I've got about 600 rounds of it I haven't tried yet, before I order 400 more, is there some reason its not sold yet?

[Heavy Metal]

Tweren't me lessen you were tryin to buy 9mm!

.30 cal Slut: I tried callin', you need to answer your dadburn newfangled cellphony gadget ifin' you wants to slice yourself a slab of that ammo!

[RogerinTPA]

I snagged a couple of cases 9mm and a couple of cases of 55 grn prvi. Sorry bro...:)

[LOKNLOD]

No worries man, the Privi was gone by the time I got there, I was trying to grab some of the Fed black box 193.

I'll find something eventually... What sucks is when i miss something, it's always at a higher price when it comes back into stock.

ETA: Curious about the 62 gr. Privi also. I seem to remember hearing a negative comment somewhere, but I can't find it to verify if it was even the same stuff.

[Rider79]

This is the review Molon did of it. Said it doesn't shoot super tight groups, but is reliable enough. For practice/class, I don't see anything wrong with it, so I picked up another 400 rounds.


Prvi Partizan 62 grain FMJ BT

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This load is not an M855 clone. The 62 grain bullet used is considerably shorter than an SS109 bullet and it has a lead core and copper jacket construction with no penetrator.


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PPU 62 grain FMJ BT
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The muzzle velocity for this load was a snappy 3039 fps for a 10 shot string fired from a 20" Colt M16A2 barrel. The smallest 10-shot group fired from a bench-rest at 100 yards had an extreme spread of 3.18” and a mean radius of 1.06” fired from a Krieger barrled AR-15.




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[Mr.Goodtimes]

mabey theyll get some more in soon? im really hoping that this is a little ray of hope and good things to come on what has been a hopeless situation that past couple months.

[johnson]

I was thinking about ordering a case of M193 but by the time I decided to do it, they were out so I got the 75gr Match instead.

[Iraqgunz]

Damn that Federal and PPU sold out quick! Someone here did a write up about the PPU 75gr. ammo and it got high marks. I bought a case just to see what it does.


I was thinking about ordering a case of M193 but by the time I decided to do it, they were out so I got the 75gr Match instead.

[decodeddiesel]

Boy I got excited when I saw this thread...dreams of M193 ruined, shattered...:(

[rob_s]

I bought 2k of Wolf 9mm.

:eek:

[johnson]

I posted it in the main but it got moved here.




100 Yard Accuracy Evaluation of Prvi Partizan 75 grain Match Ammunition.

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The Prvi Partizan 75 grain match ammunition uses an open-tip-match bullet very similar in configuration to Hornady’s 75 grain BTHP bullet used in Hornady’s TAP line of ammunition and in Black Hills’ 75 grain MHP line of ammunition. The Prvi Partizan (PPU) bullet has a nominal length that runs approximately 0.010” – 0.015” shorter than the Hornady bullet. The PPU 75 grain bullet does not have a cannelure, but the case mouth on this load does have a slight collet crimp on it which puts a slight crease in the bullet.



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The PPU 75 grain match load uses Boxer primed brass cases and is charged with “ball” powder. Neither the primer nor the case mouth have sealant and the primer is not crimped. Previous chronographing of this load through multiple barrel lengths shows it to run an average of 127 fps slower than the Black Hills 75 grain MHP load.


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I have read some statements recently that claim the PPU 75 grain bullet was designed to shoot well through 1:9” twist barrels, yet none of those making these statements have provided any scientific evidence to support this claim. According to the Greenhill formula, the optimal twist for the PPU 75 grain bullet is 1:7.6”.

From a 1:9” twist barrel, the PPU 75 grain match bullet has a gyroscopic stability factor (GSF) of less than 1.25 for all velocities. It is generally accepted that a rifle bullet should have a GSF of 1.5 to 2, with 1.25 being the least acceptable GSF.




Gyroscopc stability factor from a 1:9" twist barrel.

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Gyroscopic stability factor from a 1:7.7" twist barrel.

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The test-vehicle for this evaluation was an AR-15 with a 24” stainless-steel Kreiger VarMatch barrel, with a 1:7.7” twist, installed on a LaRue Tactical Stealth upper receiver. A Leupold Competition Series Scope was used for sighting. No malfunctions of any kind were experienced during testing.




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Following my usual protocol for accuracy evaluation, shooting was done from a bench-rest at 100 yards. Three 10-shot groups were obtained using the PPU 75 grain match load. Those three groups had extreme spreads that measured:

0.66”
0.92”
1.14”

for an average extreme spread of 0.91”.



The best 10-shot group from 100 yards.

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The three groups from above were overlayd on each other using RSI Shooting Lab to obtain a 30-shot composite group. The mean radius of this composite group was 0.29”. For comparison, this composite group is pictured below next to a composite group of the Black Hills 75 grain red box MHP load as well as a composite group of one of my handloads.



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Chronograph Data for Prvi Partizan 75 grain Match Ammunition


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Chronograph data was obtained using an Oehler 35-P with "proof screen" technology. All velocities listed are muzzle velocities as calculated from instrumental velocities using Oehler's Ballistic Explorer. All strings of fire consisted of 10 shots each.

Three different barrel lengths were used in testing: 20", 16" and 14.5". All barrels were of Colt manufacture, with chrome lining, NATO chambers and 1:7" twists.


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atmospheric conditions:

Average temperature- 83 degrees F
Humidity - 64%
Barometric pressure – 30.04
Elevation- 960 feet above sea level




Prvi Partizan 75 grain Match; Velocity Update


Here's a little update on the velocity aspect of the PPU 75 grain Match load. One can't help but wonder if Prvi Partizan has been listening to its customers. About the only complaint anyone has had with this load is that it has a lower muzzle velocity than the Hornady or Black Hills 75 grain loads. I recently chronographed the latest lot of the PPU 75 grain Match load that I have on hand and from a 20" Colt A2 barrel it is running approximately 117 fps faster than the original lots of this ammo that I chronographed!


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[soflarick]

I was at a gun shop in Melbourne, Florida a couple weeks ago, and they had a wall full of Federal XM193 cases. I think they wanted $550 per 1000, don't quote me. Ah, a yellow pages search found it as Action Gun Outfitters.