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I recently had a G19 done by Ben Simonson at Boresight Solutions, and meant to post a review here; it took me a few weeks. Here goes.
As you can see in the 3 pictures below, what was done includes a grip reduction, grip stipple, undercut the trigger guard, remove finger grooves, and the "glove bevel" (slightly enlarge and bevel the interior of the trigger guard). He also put a little bit of a bevel in the magwell and turned that back gap into a ramp. If you wanted more or less done, he does it on an item-by-item basis, so this isn't really any special "package" of jobs. It changed my G19 from "functional-yet-awkward" to "functional-and-awesomely-ergonomic".
You can see the difference in the grip angle when comparing it to the blue gun below.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3600/3504092513_b45309fc8b_b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3306/3504097913_b77609c4e3_b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3662/3504095219_fa58f04e62_b.jpg
How would that stippling feel against exposed skin, like when carrying IWB in the summer?
Feels fine so far; it's a much finer stippling than it appears; not abrasive on your ribs at all. I will admit that I'm 5'11", 185lbs, so I don't really have Dunlop's disease.
Gentle Ben
05-05-09, 13:53
thanks for the pix/review/compliments, J.
How much for the work? How long was the wait?
Can you post a pic of the back and a bottom shot of the magwell? I have a couple glocks I want to send away immediately.
I believe ben offers a couple different textures to suit your needs.
Most of his textures are just grippy enough to ensure that you dont lose your firing grip on your pistol but not abrasive enough where you're tearing apart your hands.
He does great work and honestly, the man takes a glock and turns into something else.
Roided out glocks=awesome. :D
Gentle Ben
05-05-09, 14:42
I believe ben offers a couple different textures to suit your needs.
Most of his textures are just grippy enough to ensure that you dont lose your firing grip on your pistol but not abrasive enough where you're tearing apart your hands.
He does great work and honestly, the man takes a glock and turns into something else.
Roided out glocks=awesome. :D
Correct. The default texture is Med, which is what JSebens got. I can do fine or coarse as well. Coarse is similar to 20 LPI checkering.
Here's a couple of pics a client was kind enough to send me recently. Sorry for the hijack, J. ;)
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a353/Snail50/2552041370102649894S600x600Q85.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a353/Snail50/2647182300102649894S600x600Q85.jpg
Gentle Ben
05-05-09, 14:50
How much for the work? How long was the wait?
Can you post a pic of the back and a bottom shot of the magwell? I have a couple glocks I want to send away immediately.
Prices are on my website. Right now I'm trying for a 5 week turnaround. I've been pretty inundated since SHOT, and turnaround times were getting stretched, but I'm taking steps that I hope will get me back to the quick turnarounds of days gone by. ;)
I'll look around to see if I have any magwell pics. But what you'll see is a seamless solid plastic loading ramp. No hole, no fiberglass.
Prices are on my website. Right now I'm trying for a 5 week turnaround. I've been pretty inundated since SHOT, and turnaround times were getting stretched, but I'm taking steps that I hope will get me back to the quick turnarounds of days gone by. ;)
I'll look around to see if I have any magwell pics. But what you'll see is a seamless solid plastic loading ramp. No hole, no fiberglass.
I love the look of that rounded trigger guard. Is that a pic of the fine or course texture? It looks like course.
Gentle Ben
05-05-09, 16:10
IIRC that was medium texture, like JSebens'. I think it's the light the guy used for the pic that makes the texturing look more prominent.
Gentle Ben
05-05-09, 16:11
If anyone has specific questions for me about my work, please contact me off-forum. I don't want to turn this into a sales thread. ;)
Good to see you here Ben. Hope to check out Kreins 10 mm at bladeshow this month. Awsome work.
Ben,
I've seen pictures of your work at a few different forums and it looks top notch. I plan to send you a G17 as soon as I make it back to the States next month.
JSebens, looks great bro, thanks for sharing the pics.
Gentle Ben
05-06-09, 06:53
Good to see you here Ben. Hope to check out Kreins 10 mm at bladeshow this month. Awsome work.
Likewise B. I have 3 more of Tom's Glocks that are nearly finished, too.
Gentle Ben
05-06-09, 06:57
Ben,
I've seen pictures of your work at a few different forums and it looks top notch. I plan to send you a G17 as soon as I make it back to the States next month.
JSebens, looks great bro, thanks for sharing the pics.
Thanks. I stopped accepting orders a couple times this year due to my backlog, but I'm trying to streamline my operation a bit so that I don't have to do that anymore.
Gentle Ben
05-06-09, 20:18
How much for the work? How long was the wait?
Can you post a pic of the back and a bottom shot of the magwell? I have a couple glocks I want to send away immediately.
Here's a pic of the magwell on Kevin B's G19, as well as some other shots of the gun. Just finished it today. I don't put as much detailing effort into the magwell area, because it's a spot that sees a lot of abuse, and ends up looking worn soon anyway. On the left the white gunk is just some crap I forgot to wipe away in my hurry to take the pics.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a353/Snail50/IMG_0831-1.jpg
Gentle Ben
05-06-09, 20:46
argh. I sux at teh innernets.
I knew I was going to regret not getting to you sooner!
i got your voicemail a couple of weeks ago. Sorry I didn't call back. Lots of family shit going on.
Gentle Ben
05-06-09, 20:50
I knew I was going to regret not getting to you sooner!
i got your voicemail a couple of weeks ago. Sorry I didn't call back. Lots of family shit going on.
No worries Rob. I hope all is well with you & yours.
Razorhunter
05-06-09, 21:08
Gentle Ben (that's you, "Ben Simonson, correct?) Just checking to make sure.
Anyhow, I was wondering if you could answer a few questions for me, regarding these Glock Mods.
1. Have you got any pics of a G21 or G21sf that you have done?
2. Is there any chance you can do a Glock job, very similar to the one in this link?
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=21640 -Scroll down to post #4 by user "wahoo95". This Glock was done by "WendellConcepts", but I have been UNABLE to get "WendellConcepts" sorry website to load, so I am looking for someone else to do similar work for me on a G21sf (most likely).
Take careful notice of how the front of the slide has the nice "carry bevel treatement/angles" (as I call them). Now I KNOW that a FEW of the Glocks come with the end of the slide beveled in this manner straight from the factory, and I have no idea if the Glock in that link in post #4 came like that from the FACTORY, OR if WendellConcepts did that bevel job. I DO know that I wish ALL Glocks came from the factory with that bevel/angle profile on the end of the slide.
SO, I'm wondering if you can do this to a G21sf? I ask, because I remember a while back looking over some Glocks, and I remember noticing that SOME of the Glock models do not have enough steel out at the tip of the slide to accept a bevel treatment such as this. I'm HOPING the G21sf WILL have enough steel to do something very similar as the one in post #4 in the link above.
3. Can you also do the same front of trigger guard job, as seen in the post #4 link up above? I have ALWAYS despised that ridiculous looking "squared off" shape of the Glock frames, and I simply must get rid of it on my G21sf.
4. I'm basically just wanting to do a G21sf very similar to the one in the link above. Now there might be MORE work I want done than what is seen on the one I linked to above. I have not personally handled that weapon, and I've only seen the picture that you have seen of it, so I do not know what all was done to that one. However, I DO KNOW FOR SURE that I basically want to REMOVE ALL of those ugly boxy, angles on a G21sf, and REPLACE them ALL with more modern, ergonomically shaped curves.
Is this something you can do for me Mr. Simonson? I'm very interested to know if you have various grip texture PATTERNS? OR do you just have different texture LEVELS for the same (single) pattern???
Of course, if you have any detailed pics (especially of a G21sf by chance? or any other Glock really), that would be great. It is very nice to see the comparison photo above, with a before and after shot.
Also, I'm VERY curious to know just HOW do you go about CHANGING/ADJUSTING the ACTUAL ANGLE of the grip on that G19 shown above?
I mean, are you actually able to just heat up the polymer frame, and PHYSICALLY BEND/ADJUST the ENTIRE grip, OR is it simply a matter of melting/grinding off that rear back strap and frontstrap grooves, and maybe then the grip angle is changed that way, via reSHAPING the grip, (as opposed to previously mentioned BENDING of the entire grip??) It APPEARS as if jsebens is saying that the DEGREE of the actual GRIP ANGLE was changed, and I have never seen that before, nor did I think it was feasible/possible to change/adjust!
Gentle Ben
05-06-09, 21:33
Yes, I'm Ben Simonson.
I'm currently not set up to do metal work, such as the slide bevel you're interested in. However, I plan to be set up to do mods like that, as well as refinishing (and a lot of other things) sometime this year. :)
I offer only one pattern of texturing, the kind that looks/feels like a lava rock. That's what I've found works the best, and my work is recognizable due to that texture and also the way I map out the edge lines. Other guys who do this work have their own unique recognizable textures (Bowie, for instance, has a very distinctive pattern), and I don't want to infringe on what they've established.
I also offered a rubbercoat option for awhile, but I've discontinued until further notice.
Each of my jobs begins as either a Basic or Extreme reduction, and there are options that can be added to those based on the individual's preference. I include everything I think is necessary to improving the ergonomics and shootability of the gun in those packages. One of those options is rounding the trigger guard, like you requested. You can have that either rounded and textured, or rounded and polished.
Clients can choose between three degrees of texturing: fine, medium, and coarse. Medium is the default texture. I also don't do it piecemeal, where only the frontstrap is textured, or the backstrap, etc.
On the Extreme Reduction I change the grip angle by judicious shaping of the external surfaces of the grip. If you find that the gun points high now, my Extreme Reduction generally remedies that. I don't do anything that would change the angle of the magazine inside the gun, as that would change the feeding angle, and compromise reliability.
I hope I answered all of your questions satisfactorily. If not, let me know.
Ben
Gentle Ben
05-06-09, 21:34
I have quite a few pics. I'll see what I can dig up.
Gentle Ben
05-07-09, 07:34
I'll give it another try with pics of Kevin B's pimped G19
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a353/Snail50/IMG_0829-1-1-1.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a353/Snail50/IMG_0830-1-1.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a353/Snail50/IMG_0832-1-1.jpg
dirksterg30
05-07-09, 12:18
Very nice work, Ben.
Hey Ben, do you have any pictures of work you do on M&P's?
Gentle Ben
05-07-09, 13:49
Hey Ben, do you have any pictures of work you do on M&P's?
This is one of the ones I did for Chris Costa of Magpul.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a353/Snail50/IMG_2420.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a353/Snail50/IMG_2421.jpg
Here's one with CT Lasergrips.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a353/Snail50/IMG_0546.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a353/Snail50/IMG_0547.jpg
Very nice. Looks like you are shaping and reducing around the trigger guard area. Is this similar to your glove modification to the Glocks?
Gentle Ben
05-07-09, 17:13
On the M&P, I undercut and polish beneath the trigger guard. That is included in both my basic and extreme reduction packages, because I consider it essential to improving the ergonomics of the gun. That isn't a glove bevel; the glove bevel is on the inside of the trigger guard, and can be seen on the pics of Kevin B's G19.
Gentle Ben
05-07-09, 19:26
these pics are of a extreme reduction on a G21, per Paul Cataldo's request. this is the extreme redux only, and shows everything that's part of the package, with no options added to it (e.g. finger groove removal, glove bevel, magwell cutouts, etc).
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a353/Snail50/IMG_0857.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a353/Snail50/IMG_0856.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a353/Snail50/IMG_0848.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a353/Snail50/IMG_0846-1.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a353/Snail50/IMG_0849.jpg
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